Attaching a crupper without D rings

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Sara

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May 15, 2013, 2:46:34 PM5/15/13
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Hello!
 
I have never used a crupper before. Really there has been no real reason to for me since most of the trails close by are basically flat and I will not jump in it and do a good bit of jumping when in the arena all winter to keep us both from going insane. In moving to a hillier area I would like to start working on getting my mare used to one. My biggest problem is that my saddle (a cross country type WISE equestrain english saddle) lacks any D-rings in the back. I would like to avoid either sending it back and being saddle-less or finding someone else to take it apart and add them. Does anyone know of a way to use a crupper without a D-ring to attach it to?
 
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Sara

Sherry Morse

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Well the first option I would think would be to add a D ring to the saddle if you want to get a crupper that snaps on.  The other option would be to get a standard crupper that fits into the channel of the saddle, although I think those usually are leather.

Teddy should have some options when she checks in - I think this has been asked about before.

Sherry in PA


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Maryben Stover

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There is an English style of crupper.  It attaches at the stirrup leathers.



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RHONDA LEVINSON

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MB, I have an Arab that flips his tail over his back and then the crupper rides way up his tailbone.  Then when he tries to put his tail back down, it pinches him and/or keeps him from being able to lower his tail.  Would the English style that attaches to stirrup leathers prevent that kind of thing? 

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Susan Garlinghouse, DVM

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I had an English saddle once that I wanted to do that with and yeah, I didn’t want to add a d-ring in back.  I did have d-rings on the sides behind my leg.  I got a piece of nylon strap, sewed on about 6” of good strong Velcro so I had a loop, threaded it through the d-rings on both sides so the nylon went across the back of the cantle and attached the crupper clip to that.  Worked fine.

 

Susan Garlinghouse, DVM

 

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Stephanie Caldwell

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The English Cruppers should attach to the billets, not the stirrup leathers.
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Maryben Stover

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I don't know.  It is just the regular type crupper except that it attaches to the stirrup leathers.



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Maryben Stover

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Of course it should.  I mixed up my saddle parts.  It is the billets that it attaches to.



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teddy

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If there is a real "gullet" you can use a "crupper tee" that fits under the panels and has a ring on the stem of the "T" to attach the crupper. Otherwise, there are crupper "adapters" (straps the go from your billets to the back of the saddle and have a ring in the middle for a crupper.)

teddy

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Dee rings often pull out of the saddle.  I have these:

teddy

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No, the design of the crupper itself is what makes the difference (along with playing with the adjustment)

teddy

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TOTALLY CORRECT!


On 5/15/2013 3:59 PM, Stephanie Caldwell wrote:
The English Cruppers should attach to the billets, not the stirrup leathers.

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Susan Garlinghouse, DVM <docgarl...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

I had an English saddle once that I wanted to do that with and yeah, I didn�t want to add a d-ring in back.� I did have d-rings on the sides behind my leg.� I got a piece of nylon strap, sewed on about 6� of good strong Velcro so I had a loop, threaded it through the d-rings on both sides so the nylon went across the back of the cantle and attached the crupper clip to that.� Worked fine.

�

Susan Garlinghouse, DVM

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I have never used a crupper before. Really there has been no real reason to for me since most of the trails close�by�are�basically flat and I will not jump in it and do a good bit of jumping when in the arena all winter to keep us both from going insane. In moving to a hillier area I would like to start working on getting my mare used to one. My biggest problem is that my saddle (a cross country type WISE equestrain english saddle) lacks any D-rings in the back.�I would like to avoid either sending it back and being saddle-less or finding someone else to take it apart and add them. Does anyone know of a way to use a crupper without a D-ring to attach it to?

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Thanks!

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English?  Don't the stirrup leathers come off the bar with pressure form the crupper?

teddy

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Oh, Good!

On 5/15/2013 4:03 PM, Maryben Stover wrote:
Of course it should.� I mixed up my saddle parts.� It is the billets that it attaches to.



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I had an English saddle once that I wanted to do that with and yeah, I didn�t want to add a d-ring in back.� I did have d-rings on the sides behind my leg.� I got a piece of nylon strap, sewed on about 6� of good strong Velcro so I had a loop, threaded it through the d-rings on both sides so the nylon went across the back of the cantle and attached the crupper clip to that.� Worked fine.

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Susan Garlinghouse, DVM

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I have never used a crupper before. Really there has been no real reason to for me since most of the trails close�by�are�basically flat and I will not jump in it and do a good bit of jumping when in the arena all winter to keep us both from going insane. In moving to a hillier area I would like to start working on getting my mare used to one. My biggest problem is that my saddle (a cross country type WISE equestrain english saddle) lacks any D-rings in the back.�I would like to avoid either sending it back and being saddle-less or finding someone else to take it apart and add them. Does anyone know of a way to use a crupper without a D-ring to attach it to?

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Thanks!

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TOTALLY CORRECT!

On 5/15/2013 3:59 PM, Stephanie Caldwell wrote:
The English Cruppers should attach to the billets, not the stirrup leathers.

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Susan Garlinghouse, DVM <docgarl...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

I had an English saddle once that I wanted to do that with and yeah, I didn’t want to add a d-ring in back.  I did have d-rings on the sides behind my leg.  I got a piece of nylon strap, sewed on about 6” of good strong Velcro so I had a loop, threaded it through the d-rings on both sides so the nylon went across the back of the cantle and attached the crupper clip to that.  Worked fine.

 

Susan Garlinghouse, DVM

 


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I have never used a crupper before. Really there has been no real reason to for me since most of the trails close by are basically flat and I will not jump in it and do a good bit of jumping when in the arena all winter to keep us both from going insane. In moving to a hillier area I would like to start working on getting my mare used to one. My biggest problem is that my saddle (a cross country type WISE equestrain english saddle) lacks any D-rings in the back. I would like to avoid either sending it back and being saddle-less or finding someone else to take it apart and add them. Does anyone know of a way to use a crupper without a D-ring to attach it to?

 

Thanks!

Sara

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Diane Trefethen

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Hi Sara,

On 5/15/2013 11:46 AM, Sara wrote:
> Hello!
> I have never used a crupper before. Really there has been no real reason to for
> me since most of the trails close by are basically flat...
You still might not need one.

Before you buy anything or modify your saddle, try riding without a crupper at
all. Since 1985 I have conditioned on mountains, currently in Mariposa, CA, so
have had plenty of hills and never owned or needed a crupper. It isn't the HILLS
that require a crupper; it's the HORSE whose conformation and/or way of going
that allows the saddle to move up on its withers that needs a crupper. Most
horses don't.

Elyse

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Ditto!
I've been riding in the mountains of Va for years (trail often straight up or straight down!) and never used a crupper. I do use a breast collar though, every time.
-Elyse

Diane Trefethen

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On 5/16/2013 7:46 AM, Elyse wrote:
> I do use a breast collar though, every time.
Second that. In the hills, a breast collar is needed for almost every horse.

Sara

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Thanks for the great replies!!!
 
I think I will need one since her shoulders are very upright and the saddle has a tendency to slide a little forward at times even on the flat, but not enough to bother her or cause issues as of now. I thought I would try one and see if it would prevent any further sliding forward once we start tackling some hills. I have some time before we move to work with her in her comfortable surroundings so I don;t change too many things on her at once. Going from the upper midwest to the south and from stall board to pasture board will be big enough changes for her to get used to.
 
I will look into the English style crupper as your pictures showed Teddy. Those are nice, thank you for taking the time to upload those and send. That shoud work nicely with the saddle I have without the need to make any changes to the saddle itself.
 
Thanks again and good luck to anyone who has rides planned coming up!
Sara
 


 

Diane Trefethen

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On 5/16/2013 8:10 AM, Sara wrote:
> I thought I would try one and see if it would prevent any further sliding
> forward once we start tackling some hills.

Another point to keep in mind is that hill work may (probably does?) increase
the size and strength of a horse's shoulders. If so, as you condition on hills,
you may find the saddle becoming more stable thus mitigating the need for a crupper.

Shannon Loomis

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I live in WV but even in OH and central NC, I always have used a crupper on every horse with every saddle. I kind of consider it an extra safety strap and find I can ride with a looser girth and have less galling behind the elbows. I've even had a latigo snap and had the saddle stay in place and stable until I got to the top of the hill.

I have the crupper "T" which work well with English type saddles and the split crupper from Teddy that she sold for Sharon Saare saddles. I've also used a strap from side rings on a Western with a ring to attach the crupper.

Oh, and I have used my crupper as an emergency rein, lead, tie out, and tow line!

Shannon Loomis
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