Frog and heel bruising

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Chrystal Woodhouse

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Jun 26, 2012, 10:12:13 AM6/26/12
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Hi any miracle cures for frog and heel bruising- it is about 2-3 weeks old, my mare is  much better but still ouchy on gravel fine on soft stuff however have faint hope if I can get her 100% in the next 4 or 5 days of doing a 50 next Sunday.  Right now am poulticing with epsom salt as of tomorrow ( 4 days before ride) will switch to Traumeel unless someone has a better idea. I will run around in circles at midnight chanting with a dead chicken if someone promises me that will fix her!!! :-)

Don't  bother lecturing me about giving her time she has had that and will have more of  that,. as I said if she is not totally 100% by Sat  she isn't going out on trail. Just want to try what I can before then.

Chrystal :-)

Sheri Devouassoux

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Jun 26, 2012, 10:24:32 AM6/26/12
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Magic Cushion.  That stuff is fantastic!  I have seen it perform miracles on bruised soles and frogs.  My horse lost a boot on a ride in Indiana last month.  He went about 20 miles on rocks and was a Grade 3 at the vet check.  The ride vet said he would probably be unrideable for about two weeks because of the bruising.  I wrapped his hoof for three consecutive days with Magic Cushion and that horse was sound.  100%.

A warning about Magic Cushion: it is very, very messy and sticky.  Keep a bottle of rubbing alcohol handy in the event you get that stuff on your clothes or in your hair.  And wear latex or vinyl gloves.  It is very, very messy but it is worth it.  

I ordered mine from Anvil Brand.  http://www.anvilbrand.com/p-2767-magic-cushion-hoof-packing-4-lb.aspx  I lived in Illinois at the time and I got it the next day since Anvil Brand is located some place in Illinois. I am not sure where you live, but you might be able to get it overnighted.

I have used this stuff twice.  Both times it performed far beyond my expectations.  Don't bother packing it into a reuseable boot. You probably won't want to re use any boot that has come in contact with Magic Cushion.   I put a small glob onto the frog (using gloves) and then wrap it with vetwrap.  I then cover the whole thing with a duct tape boot.  The next day I cut off the duct tape/vet wrap boot and re apply everything.

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Linda Cowles

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Jun 26, 2012, 10:37:26 AM6/26/12
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>>Hi any miracle cures for frog and heel bruising- it is about 2-3 weeks old, my mare is  much better but still ouchy on gravel fine on soft stuff however have faint hope if I can get her 100% in the next 4 or 5 days of doing a 50 next Sunday.  Right now am poulticing with epsom salt as of tomorrow ( 4 days before ride) will switch to Traumeel unless someone has a better idea. I will run around in circles at midnight chanting with a dead chicken if someone promises me that will fix her!!! :-)

>>Don't  bother lecturing me about giving her time she has had that and will have more of  that,. as I said if she is not totally 100% by Sat  she isn't going out on trail. Just want to try what I can before then.

Traumeel is always good, I start with it. I have a client who has a horse with occasionally sensitive feet (old laminitic case) and she packs his soles with Hawthorn, wraps the hoof in plastic wrap and boots him over night, and she says he loves it… appears to have an anelgesic effect and doesn’t screw the frog up too bad.

http://www.hawthorne-products.com/catalog.asp?prodid=635861&showprevnext=1

Packing the sole with Sore-No-More soaked cotton batting may help too… or Arnica gel (my favorite but have yet to use in on soles or frogs). Most of the time this is a bruise and simply needs to heal.

Linda Cowles
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Kristen A Fisher

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Jun 26, 2012, 10:43:24 AM6/26/12
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Our farrier uses Magic Cushion on horses with pads but puts something that looks like frayed jute on the sole, then MC over it, so when it’s time for a reset the whole thing just comes off. So maybe use something like that to keep mess factor down?

Kristen

Karen Standefer

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Jun 26, 2012, 11:11:53 AM6/26/12
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Usually the problem when they get bruised is that the area is too soft.  I'd mix sugar and iodine and make a pack (about the consistency of peanut butter).   Cover the whole bottom of the foot (of course, including the frog and heel bulbs).  cover with a poultice packing material (cotton) and then wrap many times over with duct tape.  Let it stay till it falls off.  It will draw the moisture out and toughen up the surfaces that are soft and tender. 

The other thing I use is Durasole.  It will do the same thing as the iodine/sugar, but is easier to use since you just squirt it on.  However, when I use the, I like to keep them in a stall with shavings to help keep the foot dry.

I definitely would NOT soak in anything wet unless you think there is an abscess! 

Linda Cowles

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Jun 26, 2012, 11:17:46 AM6/26/12
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>>Magic Cushion.  That stuff is fantastic!  I have seen it perform miracles on bruised soles and frogs.  My horse lost a boot on a ride in Indiana last month.  He went about 20 miles on rocks and was a Grade 3 at the vet check.  The ride vet said he would probably be unrideable for about two weeks because of the bruising.  I wrapped his hoof for three consecutive days with Magic Cushion and that horse was sound.  100%.

 

Yep, I was trying to remember the name of it,  I’ve used this too! It is super messy, use gloves! I wrap the feet in zip-lock bags for an hour than take the bags off and it’ll stay in place for a day or two, it is super good.

 

I hate the jar it comes in, it leaks, I keep it in my car because I used to use it allot (I’m a trimmer) and…. Yuck.  But it works great.

Sheri Devouassoux

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Jun 26, 2012, 11:19:38 AM6/26/12
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When I pull the wrap off the next day that stuff looks and feels totally different from the stuff I put on the day before.  It is much drier.  But the bandage is normally a little sticky so I still wear gloves.

I have heard that Magic Cushion works beautifully under pads.  The farrier that recommended it to me last year uses it under pads for horses with chronically sensitive soles.  I think he just packs it under the pads but I am not sure.  I think that by the time it would be time for a reset (4-6 weeks) the MC would be dry as a bone.  That is based on how it looks and feels after 24 hours under a hoof wrap.  

Sheri Devouassoux

Sheri Devouassoux

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Jun 26, 2012, 11:24:11 AM6/26/12
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Yep, I was trying to remember the name of it,  I’ve used this too! It is super messy, use gloves! I wrap the feet in zip-lock bags for an hour than take the bags off and it’ll stay in place for a day or two, it is super good. 

What a fantastic idea!  I will have to try that next time I use Magic Cushion.  So, Linda, you do not use any sort of boot at all?  And I agree with you on the jar that the stuff comes in.  It is a pain!

Sheri Devoussoux

Linda Cowles

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Jun 26, 2012, 12:30:17 PM6/26/12
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>>>Yep, I was trying to remember the name of it,  I’ve used this too! It is super messy, use gloves! I wrap the feet in zip-lock bags for an hour than take the bags off and it’ll stay in place for a day or two, it is super good. 

 

>>What a fantastic idea!  I will have to try that next time I use Magic Cushion.  So, Linda, you do not use any sort of boot at all?  And I agree with you on the jar that the stuff comes in.  It is a pain! Sheri Devoussoux

 

What I do is clean the sole with denatured alcohol and a wire brush, (slop some alcohol in and brush a little) then dry it with a paper towel (have the horse stand on a wad of towels) and then pack the sole with Magic Cushion.

 

If the horse is barefoot and has smaller feet, after I pack the sole, I hold the hoof in one hand and strip the latex gloves off and over the top of the foot so that it is a hoof wrap.

 

I wear Large Nitrile latex gloves because I put them on over top of my farrier gloves (Atlas Nitrile)… after a few hours the hoof pack stays in so I don’t worry about the gloves wearing through. I’ve had it last a few days on barefoot horses, imagine it would stay in longer on shod horses.

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Jun 26, 2012, 2:34:50 PM6/26/12
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Thanks for the idea of using a latex glove. That could come in handy for many applications for example if using epoxy on a hoof crack you could put the latex glove on first and follow up with vet wrap and a hoof boot. When we did this we just used plastic wrap but a latex glove would do a better job of sealing out moisture until the epoxy dried and kkeping the epoxy in place. I imagine a glove is a great way to hold on all sorts of hoof treatments where you need a moisture barrier.

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KarenC

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Jun 27, 2012, 12:00:00 AM6/27/12
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Pack the foot with ichthamol and put a boot on it overnight or for a day or two. 

Karen

Linda K

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Jun 27, 2012, 9:29:02 AM6/27/12
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I use DMSO for bruising. Pour on 2x/day , let set about 5 minutes
then wash with water.

Linda in Leona Valley

k s swigart

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Jun 27, 2012, 11:02:37 AM6/27/12
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If I were planning to do an AERC ride this weekend, and didn't want to
inadvertently violate the AERC's drug rule, I would be very careful about using
DMSO (which I know is a banned substance) or Magic Cushion (which is advertised
as an anti-inflammatory and analgesic).

The Magic Cushion website does not give an ingredient list for their product (at
least I couldn't find one there), and I would be leery of taking their statement
"It is a natural product and will not test positive in any equine athletic
discipline" for granted because that is what Olympic riders were told by product
manufacturers about the products that contained capsacin, only to be
disqualified when they found out the hard way that capsacin CAN be tested for.
If I were to go shopping for the stuff, I would read the ingredient list off the
container.  One would hope that it is there...and if it weren't, I wouldn't buy
it as "all natural ingredients" wouldn't be good enough for me.

The fact that it is advertised as an anti-inflammatory and an analgesic
certainly puts it in violation of the spirit of the AERC's drug rule (which bans
the use of any substance with a pharmacological effect, whether it can be tested
for or not).

kat
Orange County, Calif.

Sheri Devouassoux

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Jun 27, 2012, 11:11:41 AM6/27/12
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Magic Cushion does NOT have an ingredients list on the packaging.  It does, however, state that it is capsacin-free.  But I agree with you, Kat, that no one should be using banned or even potentially banned substances just before an AERC ride.  I would consider Magic Cushion to fall under the "potentially banned" substances.  While I believe that Magic Cushion is a fantastic product and I will continue to use it, I do retract my advice to use it so close to an AERC event.  I just wasn't thinking the advice all the way through.  Sorry everyone, and especially to the one who originally asked for the advice.

Sheri Devouassoux

Valerie Jaques

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Jun 27, 2012, 6:03:41 PM6/27/12
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Magic Cushion is pine tar, for the most part. I don't have at hand the
list of ingredients, but it is short and they all clear the list.
Since I use it on every horse I pad whether they are sole sore or not,
I called the company and checked. I like it under pads because it sets
up in the sole and does not displace, keeping out dirt and rocks other
hoof packings can allow in.

Buddy

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Jun 27, 2012, 10:59:13 PM6/27/12
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so you rule out callousness or a hardening and thickening of the soles
of the hoof to protect from brusises. So apply pine tar before or
after the injury occures? Does it come in pill form?

Kathy Sherman

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Jun 28, 2012, 12:36:55 AM6/28/12
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Now that's a thought, a pill for sole protection. It'd be easier than
what I do for sure (:>) Seriously though, I don't see how a horse's
sole can get much callus if they are shod and living on something
other than hard rocky ground, so a pad and Magic Cushion or some other
packing material seems like a good choice to me. Even a barefoot horse
living in groomed pasture has a hard time building callus, thus the
hoof boots for aggressive and/or long rides. Got to take care of the
hooves.

Kathy

Valerie Jaques

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Jun 30, 2012, 12:14:23 AM6/30/12
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Magic Cushion goes a long way to toughening up the soles. I've had
horses that have required pads for years get out of pads after three
or four shoeings with Magic Cushion. There are riders (typically top-
ten endurance riders) who prefer to pad every time, to protect their
horses' soles during competition. Nothing wrong with that. I don't
decline to perform a service if it doesn't harm the horse. And what in
the world would possess you to think a pill of any sort would have the
same effect??

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