From: ridecampre...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ridecampre...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of k s swigart
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:22 AM
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Subject: [RC] Why conduct postmortems?
Lynn said:
> So what is the prefered outcome of knowing this? I think there
> are plenty of "I told you so's" out there. Enough already. Let's
> move on and concentrate on the future of AERC. ... Let's ... quit
> openning up old wounds by finger pointing at something that may
> have happened 10 years ago. It can't be undone whoever was at fault.
Kat said:
The smart thing to say to a prescient person is, "You were right; I should have listened to you before; I will try to listen to you in the future." Whereas, instead what most such people are told is "Shut up. I don't want to hear it."
Hillary Clinton said:
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!!
Don Huston
I would vote for Kat if she ran for President.
Yes, Hillary Clinton said "What difference does it make," and she then said she wanted to
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Well, you opened this conversation, Don.
Hillary Clinton has been taken out of context so many times, and it's so very easy to completely distort the meaning, isn't it . This quote was in one of the many "Benghazi hearings." What Senator Johnson and Secretary Clinton said during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Jan. 23, 2013, in part, and what the Senate Republican uproar was about, was it terrorism or was the attack caused by protest demonstrations, did the administration know.
"Johnson: No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn’t know that.
Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.
Johnson: OK. Thank you, Madame Secretary."
It is extremely deceptive to take quotes out of context. CLEARLY, Secretary Clinton said,
"It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. "
Now, why would the very next sentence be left out? Huh, the truth matters, right? Half truths distort.
So seek the cause, and prevent repeated mistakes.
Carla Richardson
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March 31, 2015 at 10:21 AM
Yes, Hillary Clinton said "What difference does it make," and she then said she wanted to
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Yeah Joe, but I'm not the one who brought politics in. However, I won't let a slur go unanswered. Maybe you should have told Don to leave politics out.
Carla Richardson
Half truth is the same as a lie.
I guess you're ok with lying.
Carla Richardson
On Apr 1, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Carla Richardson <richards...@gmail.com> wrote:
Half truth is the same as a lie.
I guess you're ok with lying.
Carla Richardson
On Mar 31, 2015 11:19 PM, "Don Huston" <donh...@cox.net> wrote:
Yeah Carla….it was not a slur…it was exactly what she said.
Hillary has verbalized exactly what is wrong with our spineless leaders of all stripes.
Don Huston
From: ridecampre...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ridecampre...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carla Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [RC] Why conduct postmortems?
Yeah Joe, but I'm not the one who brought politics in. However, I won't let a slur go unanswered. Maybe you should have told Don to leave politics out.
Carla Richardson
On Mar 31, 2015 5:48 PM, "Joe Long" <jl...@chiprider.com> wrote:
Hmmm, politics getting into this, quite a minefield. I've seen discussion groups dedicated to a particular topic or activity destroyed when politics got involved (a once-proud poker newsgroup where all the poker players left and only a few extremists shouting about politics remain, for example).
I began this by writing a rebuttal, but I deleted that. This is not the place for it. Please leave the politics out of this list.
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March 31, 2015 at 10:44 AM
Well, you opened this conversation, Don.
Hillary Clinton has been taken out of context so many times, and it's so very easy to completely distort the meaning, isn't it . This quote was in one of the many "Benghazi hearings." What Senator Johnson and Secretary Clinton said during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Jan. 23, 2013, in part, and what the Senate Republican uproar was about, was it terrorism or was the attack caused by protest demonstrations, did the administration know.
"Johnson: No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn’t know that.
Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.
Johnson: OK. Thank you, Madame Secretary."
It is extremely deceptive to take quotes out of context. CLEARLY, Secretary Clinton said,
"It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. "
Now, why would the very next sentence be left out? Huh, the truth matters, right? Half truths distort.
So seek the cause, and prevent repeated mistakes.
Carla Richardson
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March 31, 2015 at 10:21 AM
Yes, Hillary Clinton said "What difference does it make," and she then said she wanted to
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I agree that I would much rather talk about horses and endurance.
The point is important, however, that the entire picture, to search and find the truth, is worth the time and effort. Spreading lies is not in the public's best interest, I believe that strongly. And I think it's important to fight lies.
Carla Richardson
March 31, 2015 at 9:15 PM
Yeah Joe, but I'm not the one who brought politics in. However, I won't let a slur go unanswered. Maybe you should have told Don to leave politics out.
Carla Richardson
March 31, 2015 at 11:19 PM
Yeah Carla….it was not a slur…it was exactly what she said.
Hillary has verbalized exactly what is wrong with our spineless leaders of all stripes.
Don Huston
Hello Joe,
I thought Kat was right on discussing how whitewashing an FEI horse drug abuse years ago could be why those particular FEI abusers are still being looked at as “no big deal” by our AERC leadership and Carla and Lynn.
Then Lynn and Carla started their chatter about “it’s a long time ago, nobody remembers the guys name, cant do anything about it now, etc”. That sounded just like “What difference does it make” to me.
Truman is always quoting somebody so I thought those 2 would be delighted to have a quote from Hillary that summed up their position. J
Nobody jumps on Truman for his quotes from politicians.
Actually its not a fight about politics anyway. It’s a fight about ethics. Out leaders of all stripes do not seem to have any ethics anymore.
If the AERC board had any ethics and believed their own rhetoric about standing for the welfare of the horse, they would have severed ties with FEI and the Sheets long ago. Ya…Sheets.
If Hillary had any ethics and believed her own rhetoric about trying to keep US citizens safe, then the Marines would have been mobilized and Bengazi would have been a different story.
Don Huston
From: ridecampre...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ridecampre...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [RC] Why conduct postmortems?
Don ... please ... why comment here on Hillary at all? Do you really think this is the place for that? Do you really not expect others to respond in kind when you do? Do you really want to start a fight over politics here?
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Never, ever, have I said that any FEI abuse, drugging or other abuse, did not matter.
You are now lying about what I have said, Don. How ridiculous.
Carla Richardson
I'm sure that if someone accused you of saying something, or "chattering" about something that you had not said, at all, you wouldn't reply to set that straight, right, Sandy and Darcy?
Carla Richardson
On Apr 2, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Maryben Stover <merr...@live.com> wrote:I was raised Irish/Italian and Catholic.
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