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August 27, 2015 at 8:19 AM
TheSpectrum.com - Full Article
Ray Kuehne, Writers Group
1:36 p.m. MDT August 25, 2015
For years, I’ve listened to people demand that the feds “give back” our public land to the states.
Their language pushes the myth that the land was stolen from the states. However, history shows that our first public land was under national management before the Constitution was written, and that the Founding Fathers, in Article IV, gave Congress sole authority to determine the use and disposition of it and all western land the U.S. later acquired.
Our Founders also created a government to prevent individuals, regions, or interest groups from gaining power for themselves...
The first two paragraphs nail the truth. Love them or hate them, the managers of our public lands walk a fine line of preserving what we have and managing the land so we can access it. I know many people do endurance as a means of escaping the stresses of our lives, but a big part of our sport depends on access to large tracts of accessible land. This is political and we have to be involved. There are many powerful people of both political extremes that would love nothing more than to lock up the access of OUR land completely and shut us all out. I've seen it happen in the Bennett Hills. Whether one leans Conservative or Liberal this is an issue we all have to get involved with as riders. We need to unite with all groups whether they are dirt bikers, hikers, ATV clubs, mountain bikers etc.
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August 27, 2015 at 12:12 PM
Joe,It depends on who you trust more, the state or the feds. I'm kind of a "checks and balances" kind of gal. Where I live the state is horribly corrupt with a total absence of ethics in the way they do business. I'm probably the most conservative person around but I have learned that many politicians with "R" behind their names wouldn't recognize constitutional ideology if it bit them in the behind.So from my perspective I trust the feds way more than I'd trust the so called leaders of my state. It's just a matter of who is the worst shyster. What I see happening is public access being sold off to the highest bidder (or best buddy of the Governor) so the remaining public land can not be accessed by us regular putzes. So these "Private Owners" get to have huge tracks of public land that only THEY can access. But hey, as soon as there's a fire on the public lands guess who gets to flip the bill to put it out? This has already happened in many states of the West and it just makes my blood boil.Right not there is a rather large chunk of public land near were I am managing a ride that can't be accessed because some landowner won't grant access through the road that was actually built with public funds. So I'm kind of sensitive about trusting local government and the potential loss of access to public lands. As we stand right now we can pretty much ride where we want without having to beg and plead with some billionaire's lawyer. I've tried doing that and it doesn't work very well.We have a huge backyard that we share with ranchers, hunters, recreationalists, etc. It's not perfect but it works. Let's not break it.Regards,Lynn
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August 27, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Endurance.NetWell, duh, before the western States existed the Federal government had to control the land, there was no State there to do so.August 27, 2015 at 8:19 AMTheSpectrum.com - Full Article
Ray Kuehne, Writers Group
1:36 p.m. MDT August 25, 2015
For years, I’ve listened to people demand that the feds “give back” our public land to the states.
Their language pushes the myth that the land was stolen from the states. However, history shows that our first public land was under national management before the Constitution was written, and that the Founding Fathers, in Article IV, gave Congress sole authority to determine the use and disposition of it and all western land the U.S. later acquired.
IMO the States should have had most of their land passed to their control (other than military bases, courthouses and such) at the time they were admitted to the Union. Our system was (properly IMO) based on a union of States with the power of the Federal government being restrained. The States are democratic Republics as well, and IMO better suited to manage their land than the Federal Government.
MOST importantly they created a system to prevent the Federal Government from gaining power for itself, but as anticipated (by Ben Franklin among others) that has proved impossible to keep.Our Founders also created a government to prevent individuals, regions, or interest groups from gaining power for themselves...
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August 27, 2015 at 8:19 AM
TheSpectrum.com - Full Article
Ray Kuehne, Writers Group
1:36 p.m. MDT August 25, 2015
For years, I’ve listened to people demand that the feds “give back” our public land to the states.
Their language pushes the myth that the land was stolen from the states. However, history shows that our first public land was under national management before the Constitution was written, and that the Founding Fathers, in Article IV, gave Congress sole authority to determine the use and disposition of it and all western land the U.S. later acquired.
Our Founders also created a government to prevent individuals, regions, or interest groups from gaining power for themselves...
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Agreed on paragraph 3. A good many politicians don’t know how country folk live, and they often create rules and policies that do not go along with country life. And non-rural people will vote for these because it suits THEM.
Barbara
Bundy should have been arrested, he has refused to pay his grazing fees. His antics and those who showed up with guns wer ed outrageous. Other ranchers have paid. Why should he be special. Most ranchers are not on Bundy's side, they see him as a cheater.
Carla Richardson
I will lean your way when I hear about corporations and private commercial interests complaining that local legislatures are creating too much wilderness and open space.
Mike Sherrell
From: Joe Long [mailto:jl...@chiprider.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 8:24 PM
To: Michael Sherrell
Subject: Re: [RC] [Consider This] [Trails Matter] It's time to stand up for our Constitution
August 28, 2015 at 7:29 PM
Nevada would. Obviously the local ranchers and other financial interests are going to have more pull in the state legislatures than in DC.
And you believe they should not? Why should the people who actually live there not have more say than the people who do not?
The things that go on in state legislatures get a lot less attention from the public and from the media in the state than do DC public affairs. As a Californian I definitely do not trust the legislatures of other states to keep nationally-owned lands out of the hands of local financial interests and unavailable to me.
With California as an example I can understand your concern. But all States are not California, or Nevada. You put a lot of faith in the lobbyist-owned and special-interest-pandering pols of DC.
I think segregation is a perfect, and perfectly legitimate, example of what happens when you give local and regional interests free rein.
I think it's just a sensational attack that has nothing to do with the question we're discussing. Sort of like injecting "Hitler" or "Nazis" into a discussion. IMO it's called upon when you don't have facts or logic on your side.
But mostly I think that state capitol affairs take place much more in the shadows than in DC, and the local money people (i.e., ranchers and developers) get their way a lot more there.
I disagree about State governments vs. the Federal government, and one more time, IMO it's the LOCAL people who SHOULD get our way more. A LOT more. The Federal Government go so much of the western land by bullying the territories into leaving it in their hands as a condition of Statehood, when IMO most of it should have passed to those States when they became a State.
Mike Sherrell
From: Joe Long [mailto:jl...@chiprider.com]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 6:01 PM
To: Michael Sherrell
Subject: Re: [RC] [Consider This] [Trails Matter] It's time to stand up for our Constitution
Do you have any proof of States doing this, and which States? And if some do, isn't that properly the business of the people who LIVE in those States, and not people halfway across the country?
For me, I'd much rather have my neighbors in Colorado deciding how to manage our public lands rather than the pinheads in Washington.
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August 30, 2015 at 8:20 AM
I will lean your way when I hear about corporations and private commercial interests complaining that local legislatures are creating too much wilderness and open space.
Mike Sherrell
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