meeting on 12 December at Estes Park Senior Center

[Howard Pomranka]

Good Thursday, Ms. Day,
            Thank You for forwarding information about next Monday's meeting at noon at the Estes Park (EP) Senior Center.  I was able to insert paid advertisements of the meeting into both EP newspapers.

However, at the previous meeting, most of the audience wanted and expected that the agenda of the December 12 meeting would be to answer questions which that meeting did not have time to cover.  They expect to hear answers to their questions (or acknowledgement that those queries have not been investigated)  

            These are some of the questions not answered at that earlier meeting:  

---Why aren't LCRAR actions publicized in press releases?  Why not disclose the entire plan now?

---Is Larimer County Addressing using stealth to minimize public objections?

---What are the "several other roads" that are going to be renamed (on Sept 23 the anonymous and unresponsive answer was that there are "We have identified ~150 roads in the Estes Valley with naming conflicts for resolution."  This is a direct contradiction to the Your answer to Dr. Swaney.)

---When have the people most affected been asked their opinions?  Again the non-response was "defne the most Affected"   Of course the people whose lives are disrupted by renaming roads are the same as  the people most likely to need assistance at those locations.

---Who are the people active in Larimer County Addressing Teams?  (the Sept 23 answer was "Your local EMS directors and chief, alia . . ."   no people were named}

---When did anecdotal experience replace evidence based decision making?
---When has the general public been asked their opinion of renaming roads?

---What is the written criteria for renaming roads?  (eg Hwy 36 and Hwy 34 are problematic.  So is Laramie and Larimer)

---What has been the experience of other jurisdictions who have renamed streets & roads?

---What does experience of renaming roads show to be the relative weight of not knowing unfamiliar names versus confusing names?

---Why does the Larimer County Addressing Team get 16 years and victims of renaming get 45 days?

---What is the Town of Estes Park role in renaming roads?

---When they were consulted, what was the response to renaming roads by other public and private systems which need location information?  E,g.  FedEx, UPS. Uber, Public Service, cable providers, delivery services?  

---Are penalties for not following demands for renaming roads equal to penalties for ignoring rules of initial road naming?

---What is the effect on emergency response time of having many new and unfamiliar road names?

---What category of people has called in the most emergencies, locals or visitors?

---What is the relative weight of  certain disruptions versus possible tragedies?

---Can a coterie of emergency responders with vivid experiences weigh all the consequences of renaming roads?  (Are experts in responding to emergency necessarily experts in communications?)
---What name shall we give to local government when citizens most affected are refused a choice?
---What are the current and shortly available technologic location systems?
---What weight should be given to public response to a policy?
---Whom should citizens call when county government errs?
---When else have good intentions led to unintended harm?
---How will long ago friends find me?
---Is the tail wagging the dog?
---Is local democracy dead?

[Kristin Stephens]

Dear Howard,

Thank you for input in your email and at last night's Community Conversation. I have forwarded your concerns and outstanding questions to the County Manager. I appreciate your thoughts about how we can make this process more transparent. We will put our heads together to see what we can do. I am sorry that this has been so frustrating for you, but thank you for staying engaged.

Best wishes,

Kristin

	Kristin Stephens County Commissioner, District 2
	Commissioners' Office 200 W Oak St, Fort Collins, 80521 | 1st Floor W: (970) 498-7002| Cell: (970) 443-9577 kste...@larimer.org | www.larimer.org

[Laurie Kadrich]

Good Morning Mr. Pomranka,

Thank you for your concern regarding renaming addresses and I am sorry you had the impression that we were intending to have another open  Q & A session.  You may recall that I was at the last meeting and made the suggestion to hold another meeting for very specific topics.  Those topics have been distributed as part of the meeting agenda.  This follow up meeting was in response to many concerns that were expressed regarding our initial communications.  We have listened to those concerns and modified our communications and wish to review those changes with those who are interested in helping us.  Many at the first meeting said they would be willing to do so.   So the agenda that has been sent by Christina is what we will be covering during the meeting on Monday.   Again, I thank you for your interest in this matter and look forward to seeing you on Monday if you are interested in helping us review the documents and website, laurie

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:34 PM Howard Pomranka <hardpo...@gmail.com> wrote:

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	Laurie M. Kadrich Assistant County Manager
	Community Planning, Infrastructure and Resources 200 W Oak St, Fort Collins, 80521 | 3rd Floor W: (970) 498-5741 | M: (970) 589-0674 Kadr...@co.larimer.co.us | www.larimer.org

[Howard Pomranka]

Again. We talk past each other. 

I too am sorry that no amount of tweaking can make renaming roads rational.  Howard Pomranka

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2022, at 10:41 AM, Laurie Kadrich <kadr...@co.larimer.co.us> wrote:



[Swaney, James A.]

Dear Laurie Kadrich,

You seem to be vetoing a meeting to hear citizen concerns and to explain to citizens how your process is the most effective way to address the problem.  Is that a fair assessment?  

There are many potential routes to the goal of minimizing the chances of emergency response folks showing up at the wrong place.  You need to review your process in light of alternatives that may be just as effective in achieving the goal at a much lower cost.  

Please keep in mind that you are employed by the citizens of Larimer County -- i.e., you work for me.  You apparently think you can ramrod this costly, poorly designed street/road name-changing process down our throats by refusing to share information and imposing excessive costs on your employers a few at a time.  Is that a fair assessment?

Sincerely,

James A. Swaney

1579 Jacob Rd

Estes Park

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Subject: Re: meeting on 12 December at Estes Park Senior Center

 

Again. We talk past each other. I too am sorry that no amount of tweaking can make renaming roads rational. Howard Pomranka Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2022, at 10: 41 AM, Laurie Kadrich <kadriclm@ co. larimer. co. us> wrote: Good Morning

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[Laurie Kadrich]

Good Afternoon Mr. Swaney,

From my perspective, Larimer County will always need to have a process to change street names as outlined in the Board of County Commissioners Resolution.  My intention, after hearing from residents, over the last couple of months, and specifically during the last Estes Park meeting, is to ensure that our process is strengthened to better meet the needs of those impacted by any name change.  Many of those attending the last meeting stated they would help in this effort.  The meeting on Monday is to ensure that those who wish to help in this effort are able to do so.  At this point, I am very concerned that people may attend Monday expecting something different.  When in reality this is a working meeting to review documents and website pages and receive feedback from those neighbors who agreed to participate.  The room we reserved accommodates this purpose and may not for what you or Mr. Pomranke have described.  I apologize for any confusion about the purpose of the meeting.  I hope you have a good weekend, laurie