Mozilla / Google recurring web compat sync

[Rick Byers]

Hey guys,

A couple months ago Mike, Philip and I met to chat about the problems of web compat and interop and how we can best work together to improve the situation.  I promised to put together a doc outlining a plan and setup a recurring meeting, but some things got in the way and I haven't finished that yet, sorry :-(.  

I think the most important thing is just that we're talking regularly about how we can best prioritize work between our two organizations with very aligned goals to have the maximum impact.  How about we just setup a monthly informal video conference for this and go from there?

Here's a doc with my initial rough notes on the structure I was thinking of based on our discussion with Mike.  Please feel free to edit arbitrarily.

I think it'll be most productive to have a small group of us, but we can share notes with a public list for broader discussion (I don't care where, platform-pr...@chromium.org is fine with me).

WDYT.  Should we try to find a time for this?  I know we chat (eg. on IRC) occasionally, but I'd find it valuable to have the forcing function of an occasional meeting to help us stay in touch with the real priorities/paint points from your side.

Thanks!

   Rick

[Mike Taylor]

Hey Rick et al.,

On 7/8/17 9:19 AM, Rick Byers wrote:
> Hey guys,
> A couple months ago Mike, Philip and I met to chat about the problems of
> web compat and interop and how we can best work together to improve the
> situation. I promised to put together a doc outlining a plan and setup
> a recurring meeting, but some things got in the way and I haven't
> finished that yet, sorry :-(.
>
> I think the most important thing is just that we're talking regularly
> about how we can best prioritize work between our two organizations with
> very aligned goals to have the maximum impact. How about we just setup
> a monthly informal video conference for this and go from there?
>
> Here's a doc

> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FIUk5Y5_VmZ8rqHEsFEoXaysJUCRzf3RbvcyuYpim9c/edit#heading=h.4m9lc28yjt7>

> with my initial rough notes on the structure I was thinking of based on
> our discussion with Mike. Please feel free to edit arbitrarily.
>
> I think it'll be most productive to have a small group of us, but we can
> share notes with a public list for broader discussion (I don't care
> where, platform-pr...@chromium.org

> <mailto:platform-pr...@chromium.org> is fine with me).

Yep, that's fine with me as well.

> WDYT. Should we try to find a time for this? I know we chat (eg. on
> IRC) occasionally, but I'd find it valuable to have the forcing function
> of an occasional meeting to help us stay in touch with the real
> priorities/paint points from your side.

David is on PTO this week, so let's try to come up with a time when he's
back. But I'm very much looking forward to it.

(Relatedly, I'll be in Toronto the week of Aug 7th and we should grab
lunch again).

later,

--
Mike Taylor
Web Compat, Mozilla

[Rick Byers]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Mike Taylor <mi...@mozilla.com> wrote:

Hey Rick et al.,

On 7/8/17 9:19 AM, Rick Byers wrote:
> Hey guys,
> A couple months ago Mike, Philip and I met to chat about the problems of
> web compat and interop and how we can best work together to improve the
> situation.  I promised to put together a doc outlining a plan and setup
> a recurring meeting, but some things got in the way and I haven't
> finished that yet, sorry :-(.
>
> I think the most important thing is just that we're talking regularly
> about how we can best prioritize work between our two organizations with
> very aligned goals to have the maximum impact.  How about we just setup
> a monthly informal video conference for this and go from there?
>
> Here's a doc
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FIUk5Y5_VmZ8rqHEsFEoXaysJUCRzf3RbvcyuYpim9c/edit#heading=h.4m9lc28yjt7>

> with my initial rough notes on the structure I was thinking of based on
> our discussion with Mike.  Please feel free to edit arbitrarily.
>
> I think it'll be most productive to have a small group of us, but we can
> share notes with a public list for broader discussion (I don't care

> where, platform-predictability@chromium.org
> <mailto:platform-predict...@chromium.org> is fine with me).

Yep, that's fine with me as well.

> WDYT.  Should we try to find a time for this?  I know we chat (eg. on
> IRC) occasionally, but I'd find it valuable to have the forcing function
> of an occasional meeting to help us stay in touch with the real
> priorities/paint points from your side.

David is on PTO this week, so let's try to come up with a time when he's
back. But I'm very much looking forward to it.

Sounds good, thanks.

(Relatedly, I'll be in Toronto the week of Aug 7th and we should grab
lunch again).

Right, absolutely - I'll follow-up offline. 

[David Burns]

I am all for a monthly meeting!

I have joined the mailing list, it appears I wasnt on it so now I can have moar email :D

David

On 8 July 2017 at 15:19, Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org> wrote:

Hey guys,

A couple months ago Mike, Philip and I met to chat about the problems of web compat and interop and how we can best work together to improve the situation.  I promised to put together a doc outlining a plan and setup a recurring meeting, but some things got in the way and I haven't finished that yet, sorry :-(.  

I think the most important thing is just that we're talking regularly about how we can best prioritize work between our two organizations with very aligned goals to have the maximum impact.  How about we just setup a monthly informal video conference for this and go from there?

Here's a doc with my initial rough notes on the structure I was thinking of based on our discussion with Mike.  Please feel free to edit arbitrarily.

I think it'll be most productive to have a small group of us, but we can share notes with a public list for broader discussion (I don't care where, platform-predictability@chromium.org is fine with me).

[Dru Knox]

Awesome! Now that we have the compat hackathon planned for Aug 10th, perhaps we should use that as a kick-off? We can nail down a recurring structure there if that works for everyone!

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:08 AM David Burns <dbu...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I am all for a monthly meeting!

I have joined the mailing list, it appears I wasnt on it so now I can have moar email :D

David

On 8 July 2017 at 15:19, Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org> wrote:

Hey guys,

A couple months ago Mike, Philip and I met to chat about the problems of web compat and interop and how we can best work together to improve the situation.  I promised to put together a doc outlining a plan and setup a recurring meeting, but some things got in the way and I haven't finished that yet, sorry :-(.  

I think the most important thing is just that we're talking regularly about how we can best prioritize work between our two organizations with very aligned goals to have the maximum impact.  How about we just setup a monthly informal video conference for this and go from there?

Here's a doc with my initial rough notes on the structure I was thinking of based on our discussion with Mike.  Please feel free to edit arbitrarily.

I think it'll be most productive to have a small group of us, but we can share notes with a public list for broader discussion (I don't care where, platform-pr...@chromium.org is fine with me).

[David Burns]

Unfortunately I can't be at the meeting but if there is opportunity for me to dial in I will :)

David

On 20 July 2017 at 18:33, Dru Knox <dk...@chromium.org> wrote:

Awesome! Now that we have the compat hackathon planned for Aug 10th, perhaps we should use that as a kick-off? We can nail down a recurring structure there if that works for everyone!

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:08 AM David Burns <dbu...@mozilla.com> wrote:

I am all for a monthly meeting!

I have joined the mailing list, it appears I wasnt on it so now I can have moar email :D

David

On 8 July 2017 at 15:19, Rick Byers <rby...@chromium.org> wrote:

Hey guys,

A couple months ago Mike, Philip and I met to chat about the problems of web compat and interop and how we can best work together to improve the situation.  I promised to put together a doc outlining a plan and setup a recurring meeting, but some things got in the way and I haven't finished that yet, sorry :-(.  

I think the most important thing is just that we're talking regularly about how we can best prioritize work between our two organizations with very aligned goals to have the maximum impact.  How about we just setup a monthly informal video conference for this and go from there?

Here's a doc with my initial rough notes on the structure I was thinking of based on our discussion with Mike.  Please feel free to edit arbitrarily.

I think it'll be most productive to have a small group of us, but we can share notes with a public list for broader discussion (I don't care where, platform-predictability@chromium.org is fine with me).

[James Graham]

On 20/07/17 18:33, Dru Knox wrote:
> Awesome! Now that we have the compat hackathon planned for Aug 10th,
> perhaps we should use that as a kick-off? We can nail down a recurring
> structure there if that works for everyone!

I'm also happy to dial in to a recurring meeting, if you think that
would be useful.

[Rick Byers]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, David Burns <dbu...@mozilla.com> wrote:

Unfortunately I can't be at the meeting but if there is opportunity for me to dial in I will :)

Oh yeah I totally wouldn't expect it to be worth it for anyone to fly out just for this.  Certainly we can make dial-in available for the presentations / meta-discussion if you all think it might be valuable.  I'm hoping we'll learn a bunch by muddling through real-world issues together that'll help us figure out how to get the most value out of an ongoing collaboration...