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Thank you, Ojan.I should explain that we are trying to have exactly two kinds of reloads in the first mail, but anyway let me update the list.
- Uses the cache and forcibly revalidates only the main resource:
- reload button
- f5/cmd+r
- location.reload
- location.href = location.href
- same page navigation (Omnibox-Enter in the same page)
- Pull to refresh
- Doesn't use the cache
- location.reload(bool)
- shift+refresh
- TBD: mobile new gesture (consecutive reloads?)
Ojan:I agreed this category. It's also reasonable to add bool for location.reload() to provide a way not to use the cache for JavaScript.
Chris:Good point. Actually, I just started measuring reload-to-reload time duration in user actions for such purpose. We discussed with UX team, and current plan is to trigger shift+reload if a user initiates another reload in a few seconds from the last reload without taking another navigation.
Ben:Yes, hitting an enter in the same URL should result in a reload that revalidates only the main resource in Chrome.Also, you are right. we should keep the same behavior for hash URLs. This is defined in the navigation spec as a "Navigating to a fragment".Note: Chrome has a bug that a meta refresh to the same page with hash results in a reload, but expectation should be scrolling to the fragment.Also we have some points that have minor differences on reloads. I'd remove such minor differences to simplify reloads.- scroll position restoration => should always follow History.scrollRestoration flag- user state restoration, e.g., scaling factor (HTML spec issue at GitHub) => should be restored alwaysSame page navigation does not restore user states today, but we will do after the new reload rolling out.
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM Takashi Toyoshima <toyo...@chromium.org> wrote:Thank you, Ojan.I should explain that we are trying to have exactly two kinds of reloads in the first mail, but anyway let me update the list.
- Uses the cache and forcibly revalidates only the main resource:
- reload button
- f5/cmd+r
- location.reload
- location.href = location.href
- same page navigation (Omnibox-Enter in the same page)
- Pull to refresh
- Doesn't use the cache
- location.reload(bool)
- shift+refresh
- TBD: mobile new gesture (consecutive reloads?)
Ojan:I agreed this category. It's also reasonable to add bool for location.reload() to provide a way not to use the cache for JavaScript.To be clear, I have no opinion on whether we should add the bool to location.reload. Either way seems fine to me. :) I just meant that if we do, it should be the same as shift+refresh.Chris:Good point. Actually, I just started measuring reload-to-reload time duration in user actions for such purpose. We discussed with UX team, and current plan is to trigger shift+reload if a user initiates another reload in a few seconds from the last reload without taking another navigation.Do we have evidence this is necessary? Or are we planning to consider it only if we find cases?
I'm a bit worried about this messing with people testing the performance of sites that they build. Their site will randomly take forever to load as they're testing it.
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+1 on converging on 2 behaviors (it was indeed the plan from the start :D)On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM Ojan Vafai <oj...@chromium.org> wrote:On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM Takashi Toyoshima <toyo...@chromium.org> wrote:Thank you, Ojan.I should explain that we are trying to have exactly two kinds of reloads in the first mail, but anyway let me update the list.
- Uses the cache and forcibly revalidates only the main resource:
- reload button
- f5/cmd+r
- location.reload
- location.href = location.href
- same page navigation (Omnibox-Enter in the same page)
- Pull to refresh
- Doesn't use the cache
- location.reload(bool)
- shift+refresh
- TBD: mobile new gesture (consecutive reloads?)
Ojan:I agreed this category. It's also reasonable to add bool for location.reload() to provide a way not to use the cache for JavaScript.To be clear, I have no opinion on whether we should add the bool to location.reload. Either way seems fine to me. :) I just meant that if we do, it should be the same as shift+refresh.
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Sgtm. Thanks for continuing to make sense of reload. :)
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How long does a standard reload take and should I be concerned?
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