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Vincent Scheib

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Nov 3, 2025, 1:06:53 PM (3 days ago) Nov 3
to Lia Hiscock, Rob Paveza, Lu Huang, akyer...@microsoft.com, Dan Murphy, Vincent Scheib, fugu-dev

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  • Microsoft Lead:

    • Web Install Umbrella bug, UX bug, Discussion doc

      • Very close to OT! (hoping for 143, otherwise 144)

      • Use of the API will not require the site to be installed as a web app

      • FYI – mkwst landed a semi-functional prototype for PEPC

        • [<install> Element] Build a prototype. (7079238) · Gerrit Code Review

        • Uses hostname as a unique identifier – likely not viable

          • Want to parse manifest to gather name

          • Few topics:

            • What expectations about continued work on PEPC Install element prototype?

            • How to treat ownership of code areas between PEPC, Edge PWA team, Chrome PWA team.

            • Reviews by liahi...@microsoft.com & Krist...@microsoft.com for interaction with permission.

            • Open questions:

              • What if there’s a page with high number of install elements, does that spawn ~50 background manifest requests (Possibly requires creating a web contents, then loading start URL)? Caching may not be effective in an app store context where there is significant new content.

      • AI: Dan Murphy take a task to ask partners to try the install API during origin trial.

      • Can we include PEPC in current OT?

        • That would delay quite a bit.

      • What questions do we want to ask from OT app partners? (see explainer)

      • Blogpost to explain manifest ID


    • System Accent Color, windows, Linux

      • Status: CSS WG agreement to work towards, browsers are interested in fulfilling. Accent Color Pending a privacy mitigation. 

    • 3P Acquisition Info, Explainer

    • Windows Identity for Chromium (bug)

      • For PWAs (bug)

      • MS Windows team planning to work on this.

  • Google Lead:

    • Approximate Location API - Code well underway, preparing for experiments

    • Improve Gaming on the Web Interop by increasing WPT passing rates on Gamepad, Pointerlock and Screen Orientation APIs

    • PWA Identity updating and migration.

      • Updating icons etc M143 by December Migration will carry over to 2026.

Agenda items from participants

Use this space to report on what you or your company is doing, and to solicit feedback.

  • Widgets - Sam Richard interested in discussing, knows to chat with Diego

Update from Developer Relations

  • Chrome

  • Edge

  • Samsung

Topic for general discussion

  • Reschedule Chrome:Edge PWA sync? (currently 11/13, mid-TPAC)



Oct 6, 2025 |  Fugu Community Monthly sync EMEA friendly

Attendees:Lia Hiscock Vincent Scheib Diego Gonzalez  Rob Paveza Limin Zhu (Edge) Lu Huang krist...@microsoft.com Alex Russell Thomas Steiner(30min in) 

Sync on projects of shared interest

  • Microsoft Lead:

    • Web Install Umbrella bug, UX bug, Discussion doc

      • Thank you so much for your help with the security conversations and other internal discussions!

      • Good news - Privacy approval (in addition to Security) for Origin Trial.

      • Gating install behind installation (requiring the site that wants to install other web apps, to be installed by the user first) - based on conversation with mkwst@ (Email Re: WebInstallApi Security Review followup - Thursday, August 28)

        • Partners expressed requiring install would be a deal breaker.

          • TODO Vince have PWA team check with partners we’re in contact with.

        • Vince - in the past, gating behind installation was for capabilities that were clearly tied to the concept of being installed (ex - taskbar icon), but the line isn’t super solid. Web install is related to installation, but arguments could be made either way

        • Spectrum

          • Existing on OS Taskbar or Dock

          • File Handling

          • … current “install required” line drawn here ...

          • Notifications

          • Geolocation

        • Install (in Vince’s opinion) is near the boundary, and could certainly work from non-install.

        • .NET ClickOnce - Users can install applications by simply clicking a link on a webpage, a network share, or from local media. This eliminates the need for complex setup procedures often associated with traditional installers.

  • Google Lead:

Agenda items from participants



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