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https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/deprecating-powerful-features-on-insecure-origins mentions how powerful features should not be exposed on insecure origins. We would like to add the [SecureContext] attribute to the spec's Web IDL so that navigator.getBattery() and the BatteryManager interface are only available in secure contexts.
This has also been discussed in W3C at the Devices and Sensors WG April 2021 meeting, where we agreed to fix https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/15 by adjusting the Blink implementation.
We've been measuring usage of navigator.getBattery() in insecure contexts since M64. Per https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/2199 the counter sits at around 0.3% at the moment.
However, none of the URLs listed there are using the Battery Status API directly. The largest occurrence is embedded YouTube videos: embedded HTTPS iframes on HTTP pages count as insecure contexts. Thomas Steiner reached out to the YouTube team internally and they said this change would not adversely impact them. Other usages of navigator.getBattery() in insecure origins come from trackers and RUM (real user monitoring) code added to the URLs listed in chromestatus.com. In all cases, feature detection is already done so existing code would not break. Gecko: N/A Gecko does not implement this API. WebKit: N/A Safari does not implement this API. Web developers: No signals
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This generally looks good to me, and probably safe to do. However, it'd make me more confident if we could reduce the 0.3%. Is YouTube willing to turn off their usage now? My guess is that will be most of the 0.3%. @Thomas Steiner is that doable?
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I think it'd be better to add a feature flag disabled by default, and then work with someone at Google to enable it on the server side for a release, before enabling it in code.That way it'd be easy to revert this in case this unexpectedly breaks things.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:00 PM Raphael Kubo da Costa <raphael.kubo.da.costa@intel.com> wrote:
Thanks, Yoav. I've submitted https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3605588 to implement this change. There's never been a feature flag for this though (in M99 we just added a deprecation warning), should I add one now?
On 25-04-2022 16:40, Yoav Weiss wrote:
The LGTMs you got on this thread should be enough. Please make sure to monitor any issues related to this, and revert if needed. (while keeping the feature flag around to enable urgent re-activation of this if breakage turns out to be untenable)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 3:00 PM Raphael Kubo da Costa <raphael.kubo.da.costa@intel.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
M103 is here, so I'd like to double-check if I can go ahead and stop exposing the Battery Status API to insecure origins as described below. The numbers in https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/2199 remain flat (as explained, the percentage is pretty high but most of it comes from embedded https YouTube videos, trackers and RUM (real user monitoring) code in https pages.
Do I start another thread and get new LGTMs for the actual removal?
On 13-01-2022 16:09, Raphael Kubo Da Costa wrote:
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Explainer
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Specification https://w3c.github.io/battery
Summary Deprecate and remove the Battery Status API on insecure origins, such as HTTP pages or HTTPS iframes embedded in HTTP pages.
Blink component Blink>BatteryStatus
Motivation The Battery Status API allows web developers to have access to, among other things, a system's battery charging level and whether it is being charged. It is a powerful feature that has been around for over a decade and, as such, was originally designed with different security constraints.https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/deprecating-powerful-features-on-insecure-origins mentions how powerful features should not be exposed on insecure origins. We would like to add the [SecureContext] attribute to the spec's Web IDL so that navigator.getBattery() and the BatteryManager interface are only available in secure contexts.
This has also been discussed in W3C at the Devices and Sensors WG April 2021 meeting, where we agreed to fix https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/15 by adjusting the Blink implementation.
Risks
Interoperability and Compatibility Blink is the only engine implementing the Battery Status API, so most/all users are already expected to check for the presence of navigator.getBattery() before using it.We've been measuring usage of navigator.getBattery() in insecure contexts since M64. Per https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/2199 the counter sits at around 0.3% at the moment.
However, none of the URLs listed there are using the Battery Status API directly. The largest occurrence is embedded YouTube videos: embedded HTTPS iframes on HTTP pages count as insecure contexts. Thomas Steiner reached out to the YouTube team internally and they said this change would not adversely impact them. Other usages of navigator.getBattery() in insecure origins come from trackers and RUM (real user monitoring) code added to the URLs listed in chromestatus.com. In all cases, feature detection is already done so existing code would not break. Gecko: N/A Gecko does not implement this API. WebKit: N/A Safari does not implement this API. Web developers: No signals
Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests? Yes: https://wpt.fyi/results/battery-status?label=experimental&label=master&aligned (existing tests will be modified along with the Blink and spec changes)
Requires code in //chrome? False
Tracking bug https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1286748
Estimated milestones Add a deprecation message in M100, stop exposing the Battery Status API to insecure origins in M103.
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I tend to agree with Mike here; none of the users of navigator.getBattery() in insecure contexts I checked in the past (via chromestatus.com) would break with this change, as they're all checking if it's available first (including the largest user so far, YouTube), which makes sense since other engines don't ship this API.
What I can do is write another CL that adds a new Blink runtime feature set to experimental and updates the current deprecation message and mentions the feature will be removed in M104, not M103. What's not clear is whether it would be possible to warn users if the feature flag is on and a website tries to use the Battery Status API in an http page, as adding something like [SecureContext=MyFeatureFlag] to the IDL files would prevent the code where the warning would go from even being reached if MyFeatureFlag is on.
With that said, I guess it's up to the API owners to decide on the course here?
On 26-04-2022 09:47, Mike West wrote:
I'm less worried about this than Yoav is. Given the lack of support in any other browser, and the progressive-enhancement nature of this API, it's difficult for me to imagine embedded content visibly breaking at scale. If y'all do some spot-checking of the sites currently showing up through HTTP Archive, and have some evidence of the lack of user-visible breakage, I'd be comfortable without the additional complexity of percentage rollouts through Finch.
If we do decide that that's necessary, we'll need to make sure that we have some sort of reasonable error message in the console so that the subset of developers who do experience some sort of breakage have a chance of understanding why.
-mike
On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:36:26 PM UTC+2 Yoav Weiss wrote:
I think it'd be better to add a feature flag disabled by default, and then work with someone at Google to enable it on the server side for a release, before enabling it in code.That way it'd be easy to revert this in case this unexpectedly breaks things.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:00 PM Raphael Kubo da Costa <raphael.ku...@intel.com> wrote:
Thanks, Yoav. I've submitted https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3605588 to implement this change. There's never been a feature flag for this though (in M99 we just added a deprecation warning), should I add one now?
On 25-04-2022 16:40, Yoav Weiss wrote:
The LGTMs you got on this thread should be enough. Please make sure to monitor any issues related to this, and revert if needed. (while keeping the feature flag around to enable urgent re-activation of this if breakage turns out to be untenable)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 3:00 PM Raphael Kubo da Costa <raphael.ku...@intel.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
M103 is here, so I'd like to double-check if I can go ahead and stop exposing the Battery Status API to insecure origins as described below. The numbers in https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/2199 remain flat (as explained, the percentage is pretty high but most of it comes from embedded https YouTube videos, trackers and RUM (real user monitoring) code in https pages.
Do I start another thread and get new LGTMs for the actual removal?
On 13-01-2022 16:09, Raphael Kubo Da Costa wrote:
Contact emails raphael.ku...@intel.com, rei...@chromium.org
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Specification https://w3c.github.io/battery
Summary Deprecate and remove the Battery Status API on insecure origins, such as HTTP pages or HTTPS iframes embedded in HTTP pages.
Blink component Blink>BatteryStatus
Motivation The Battery Status API allows web developers to have access to, among other things, a system's battery charging level and whether it is being charged. It is a powerful feature that has been around for over a decade and, as such, was originally designed with different security constraints.https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/deprecating-powerful-features-on-insecure-origins mentions how powerful features should not be exposed on insecure origins. We would like to add the [SecureContext] attribute to the spec's Web IDL so that navigator.getBattery() and the BatteryManager interface are only available in secure contexts.
This has also been discussed in W3C at the Devices and Sensors WG April 2021 meeting, where we agreed to fix https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/15 by adjusting the Blink implementation.
Risks
Interoperability and Compatibility Blink is the only engine implementing the Battery Status API, so most/all users are already expected to check for the presence of navigator.getBattery() before using it.We've been measuring usage of navigator.getBattery() in insecure contexts since M64. Per https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/2199 the counter sits at around 0.3% at the moment.
However, none of the URLs listed there are using the Battery Status API directly. The largest occurrence is embedded YouTube videos: embedded HTTPS iframes on HTTP pages count as insecure contexts. Thomas Steiner reached out to the YouTube team internally and they said this change would not adversely impact them. Other usages of navigator.getBattery() in insecure origins come from trackers and RUM (real user monitoring) code added to the URLs listed in chromestatus.com. In all cases, feature detection is already done so existing code would not break. Gecko: N/A Gecko does not implement this API. WebKit: N/A Safari does not implement this API. Web developers: No signals
Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests? Yes: https://wpt.fyi/results/battery-status?label=experimental&label=master&aligned (existing tests will be modified along with the Blink and spec changes)
Requires code in //chrome? False
Tracking bug https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1286748
Estimated milestones Add a deprecation message in M100, stop exposing the Battery Status API to insecure origins in M103.
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