Requests two changes for the existing Permission Element (PEPC) Origin Trial

[Minh Le]

Hello blink-dev,

Our team requests two changes for the existing Permission Element (PEPC) Origin Trial.

1. A timeline extension for three milestones, to M143.

2. An increase in the page load limit from 0.5% to ~5% of Chrome page loads.

The current Origin Trial for PEPC is set to expire with M140 (Nov 11th), while we are targeting the launch of the standardized <geolocation> API in M143 and preparing a new OT for a <usermedia> API. The extension is needed to prevent a disruption for our partners, and the page load increase is critical for new experimentation and for ensuring a smooth, validated path to a full launch.

Rationale for Extension & Page Load Increase

The PEPC API is already providing significant, measurable user benefits

1. Unlocking Value and De-risking the Launch: 

• Preventing Partner Disruption: For example, in a high-traffic web service, users who specifically clicked 'Use precise location' previously encountered barriers to changing their settings if they had blocked location permissions. PEPC resolved this, leading to approximately +17pp and +36pp increases in successfully adjusting settings on Desktop and Mobile, respectively.” Extending the trial ensures that partners like Zoom, Cisco, Zaplmoves, and OLX BR, Meet, Search and others do not lose this functionality until we roll this change out. (see some use cases here)

• Validating at Scale: An increased page load limit allows our high-traffic partners to scale their successful implementations beyond the current OT cap. This delivers the feature's proven benefits to a wider audience sooner and, critically, allows us to validate that the positive results from a small experiment carry over at a larger scale, mitigating risks before the full M143 launch.

2. Enabling New, High-Impact Experimentation: We need to increase the page load limit to validate PEPC's integration with the upcoming Approximate Location feature.

• PEPC provides a natural, user-initiated entry point for managing location granularity (e.g., changing from approximate to precise and vice versa).

• To get this right, we need to test several UI variations (different button treatments and prompts) for this new user flow.

• A higher page load limit is necessary to gather statistically significant data across these experimental arms, ensuring we can differentiate user behavior and build the best possible experience before launch.

3. New Experimentation Plan: Based on valuable feedback from other browser vendors, we are splitting the generic <permission> element into capability-specific elements. This OT extension provides a bridge to that future:

• Geolocation: The learnings from the current OT (including the Approximate Location experiments) will directly inform the launch of the new <geolocation> element, targeted for M143.

• User Media (Camera/Mic): We will create a new, separate OT for <usermedia> to continue collaborative development on its API shape after the current OT expires.

This plan ensures continuity for our partners while allowing us to ship the most stable, consensus-driven solution. We appreciate your consideration and welcome any questions.

Best regards, 

Minh on behalf of the Chrome PEPC Team

[Mike Taylor]

Hi there,

I see a lot of good reasons to extend here. But could you please go to your chromestatus entry and in the Origin Trial section click "Request another trial extension" button, and fill it out with the details in this message?

A note on timing: the OT expires in M140, which means that users who upgrade to M141 (scheduled to go out next week) will no longer have access to the feature. November 11th is the day after the hard-coded expiration date of Nov 10th for all users (i.e., folks who haven't upgraded past 140). That means your partners will need to deploy the newly minted extension token before 141 goes out to avoid any disruption. So if you click on that button I can approve and maybe they can hit that deadline.

thanks,
Mike

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[Minh Le]

Hi Mike,

thank you so much for your quick reply and instructions, I hit the button :)

And I will let the partners know as soon as we get the new token.

Best,

Minh

[Mike Taylor]

Thanks - LGTM to extend to M143. 

But we'll need 3 owners for the higher %. LGTM1 for that.

[Jeffrey Yasskin]

Double-checking: is this origin trial for the <permission> element or the <geolocation> element? Are you planning a separate origin trial for <geolocation> before that ships, or are you expecting that element to go straight to shipping?

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