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Bruce England

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Jan 16, 2022, 2:40:51 PM1/16/22
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This was a topic of discussion at our last team meeting, so here's some useful material Sandhya provided that's a helpful reference for those interested.
Bye for now!
Bruce 

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From: Sandhya Laddha <san...@bikesiliconvalley.org>
Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 10:20 AM

Hi Bruce,

Reverse back-end parking is another way of parking for safety of people biking. Attached below is a document which talks more in detail about this.

Keep in mind that outreach/education is very essential in this case. Most people aren't familiar with this type of parking. While people do figure it out on their own, outreach/education helps address concerns of those in doubt.

Hope this is helpful.
Thank you!

cheers,
Sandhya Laddha
Policy Director

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 12:38 PM Bruce England <bken...@gmail.com> wrote:
From our December team meeting:
  • Dooring vs. being backed into: Which is worse for cyclists?
  • With angled or perpendicular parking: Safer for passing cyclists if vehicles park nose in vs. nose out?
Any thoughts/info/data on these?
Thanks!
Bruce 
1902ReverseDiagonalParking (1).pdf

isaac stone

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Jan 16, 2022, 8:20:52 PM1/16/22
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reverse angle parking is mentioned in "Walkable City Rules" (the practical application handbook for Walkable City)

one risk in reverse angle parking is some cities found it too hard to implement (people didn't understand it) and converted to forward angle parking, which is worse of cycling safety. we need to be sure will not happen here

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Kevin Wang

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Jan 17, 2022, 1:46:05 PM1/17/22
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Teaching new things is hard. AFAIK there's no driver re-education program except for PSA's/news (i.e. headlines "new laws drivers must follow starting Jan 1"). For example the 3 ft law and how many people still don't know about it. A booth at the local farmer's market (assuming you can set up a booth inside the parking spots) is a way to educate/advertise. Online education is another avenue.

IMHO the most important part is patience. Any change takes 3-6 months for people to get used to it, and if they only use something once a year, that means to reach even half of the local populace you're looking at 1-2 years to first exposure. I have no idea how to get the idea into city council members' heads that every unique installation like this needs at least a 12 month "cooling off" period where people can get used to it.

Signs on the side of the road are the only real lasting mechanism. It's not great (who reads signs anymore?) but is an ever-present reminder.

Pre-education campaigns could help too; Bringing up small design features like this in places like facebook and nextdoor. Even if people reply with objections, they will have read it and understand how it's supposed to be used. 

Any education effort takes time and money.

   - Kevin

Kaustabh Duorah

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Jan 17, 2022, 3:19:55 PM1/17/22
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Hopefully self driving cars will have automation built in for detecting and maintaining distance from bicyclists.
And nowadays a lot of cars are coming with safety features such as radar cruise, blind spot monitoring etc.

Kevin Wang

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Jan 17, 2022, 4:27:09 PM1/17/22
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You can see some of "how driverless cars see the world" including bicycles in this old TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road?language=en

   - Kevin

Kevin Ma

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Jan 17, 2022, 7:59:42 PM1/17/22
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So the nearest example of reverse angle parking I know is the Stanford Dish parking lot near Page Mill/Foothill. Interestingly, the news reports at the time suggested people were fine with it if it meant more spots than the previous parallel configuration.

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