Ignoring the Constitution

[Patti Beadles]

So, Trump wrote:

> So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION
> in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat
> Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT
> and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A
> Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination
> of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the
> Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not
> condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!

Now that he's taken a stand against our Constitution do any of the Trump supporters on this list still support him?

-P


P.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgkYUNJIDWI

[Quick]

Ummm, didn't that happen already?

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[Dave Horwitz]

and wait...  did you actually read it correctly?

"So, with the revelation... do you... ?"  <- notice the question mark? It indicates a question is being asked.

"Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude..." what happened in the last election.

"...allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles...". Without any investigation.

So how in the world did you get to "he's taken a stand against our Constitution"??

Quite the opposite. He postulates "Our great "founders" did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

Or do you interpret that as "taking a stand against our Constitution"?

By the way, Jefferies has claimed (and still does so) how many past elections are false and fraudulent? Do you support him?

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022, at 6:24 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

[Patti Beadles]

"...allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

He lost and won't admit it publicly (despite doing so privately), and two years later he's still asserting his fantasy of massive fraud. He's now claiming that this nonexistent fraud is grounds for ignoring the Constitution.

-P

[Quick]

What!? Where exactly is he claiming that this is grounds for ignoring the Constitution?

[And you did not answer my question of whether you support Hakeem Jefferies or not.]

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[Dave Horwitz]

Here (since you refuse to include the content you are commenting on).

Patti posted:

So, Trump wrote:

So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION

in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat

Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT

and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A

Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination

of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the

Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not

condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!

Now that he's taken a stand against our Constitution do any of the Trump supporters on this list still support him?

Then Patti posts and says:

"...allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022, at 8:47 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

"...allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

He's now claiming that this nonexistent fraud is grounds for ignoring the Constitution.

No, "Massive Fraud" was the (omitted) subject of that quote (which you truncated).

"Massive Fraud" [which has gone unchallenged so far] *allowed* [past tense] ignoring the Constitution.

There is no place in that quote where Trump is advocating ignoring the Constitution. Quite the opposite.

Yet you state as the main line of your original post "Now that he's taken a stand against our Constitution do Trump supporters on this list still support him? 

Then you persist with: 'He's now claiming that this nonexistent fraud is grounds for [his] ignoring the Constitution.'

No, he said the DNC, Big Tech, and the Democrat Party committed massive fraud for the purpose of ignoring the Constitution. I hope that clears it up and I'm sure, with that clarification, you will be voting for Trump in 2024.

[Patti Beadles]

In Trump's quote he asserted that there was "MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION" in the 2020 election and suggested that the remedy would be to throw out the 2020 election and declare him the winner, or hold a new election. (Hint: There was no MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION). He then asserted that the massive fraud allows for termination of "all the rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." The phrase "allows for the termination of" says that the alleged farud permits throwing out the rules to declare him president, not that the fraud threw out the rules.

This ends today's reading comprehension lesson.


As for your question about Hakeem Jeffries, Quick, please provide direct quotes if you would like to discuss them. I'm not interested in discussing vague allegations.

-P

[Dave Horwitz]

Interesting interpretation of the English language.

Wait... This this is just fundamental Dem strategy right? Blame the other guy for doing exactly what you're doing now or did just a little while ago? Russian collusion, Hunter/Joe Biden, defund the police, racism, weaponizing DOJ, FBI, etc.  GOP (or maybe just Trump) did all that right? Amusing times coming on the list but I don't think the GOP is very good at putting together that many hearings and investigations or following through.

Hakeem Jeffries quotes: (if you don't believe them just ask Nancy, Schumer or Schiff :))

LIE (more than any administration in the history of the Republic). CHEAT (2016 election/Russian Interference). STEAL (one or two Supreme Court seats). When will Republicans put country ahead of party? #CleanUpCorruption

— Hakeem Jeffries (@RepJeffries) September 28, 2018

With legitimacy of Trump's presidential election in doubt, his lifetime appt to Supreme Court can wait #FilibusterGorsuch #StopGorsuch

“The more we learn about the 2016 election the more ILLEGITIMATE it becomes," Jeffries tweeted in 2018.

Hakeem Jeffries (@RepJeffries) March 22, 2017Keep pouting.History will never accept you as a legitimate President.

— Hakeem Jeffries (@hakeemjeffries) November 24, 2020

Let’s be clear donald.The only person trying to steal the election is YOU.(and your buddies in the Kremlin).

— Hakeem Jeffries (@hakeemjeffries) August 9, 2020

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[Patti Beadles]

Quick writes:

> Interesting interpretation of the English language.
> Wait... This this is just fundamental Dem strategy right? Blame the other
> guy for doing exactly what you're doing now or did just a little while
> ago? Russian collusion, Hunter/Joe Biden, defund the police, racism,
> weaponizing DOJ, FBI, etc.  GOP (or maybe just Trump) did all that right?
> Amusing times coming on the list but I don't think the GOP is very good at
> putting together that many hearings and investigations or following
> through.

You could have just said this and saved yourself a lot of typing:

#include <std_right_wing_talking_points.h>

As for the GOP putting together hearings and investigations, exactly how many Benghazi hearings were there? How much time and money was wasted on that particular nothingburger?



Jeffries seems to be arguing that extensive Russian collusion in the 2016 election undermines the legitimacy of Trump's presidency. Russian meddling is established fact and has been for a long time. It remains to be seen how history will look upon his presidency. I expect that a lot more information will come out over the next decade or two, and I don't think history will be kind to him.

Trump is not responsible for stealing a SCOTUS seat-- that blame clearly belongs to McConnell.

-P

[Stephen J. Daniel]

Just some question from a lurker.
Who is he writing this for?
What is he realistically, from his POV, trying to accomplish?
Is this a good thing or a bad thing for you personally?  Or something else?

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[John Pickels]

WOW ... another lurker (occasionally) also asks what is Trump really all about?  I have never been able to figure him out.  I hated his TV show and did not vote for him in the last election (did not vote), but I disliked Hilary even more than the Donald. 

I believe that all elections are fraught with dishonesty and deception and back door and money interference ... at least all the ones that I have seen up close.  [Louisiana ... Ohio ... California ... New York ... Texas ... Washington D.C. and maybe some other, like Florida.]  I am amazed that so many people on all sides (even the extreme ones) seem to believe that their (my) version of any political party or person elected to any office in any place in the USA is absolutely CORRECT.

Amazing.

[Quick]

Well, break it down objectively. First take each section totally in isolation and then take the whole.

* What did he actually do as President? (Tangible accomplishments).

* What did he say he was going to do as President?

* What did he say he was going to do as President and failed to do?

* What did he try to do as President and failed to accomplish?

Break the above into nationally and globally.

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