Pandemic: Putting video recordings in Sakai Resources. How do you deal?

[Laura Gekeler]

1) Could so many videos playing out of Resources cause performance issues instance wide?

2) What kind of help are you providing to your faculty? Do you increase their quotas so they can do it? Or do you provide instructions on how to upload to whatever streaming video service you provide?

I hate to think of future support issues if this continues. Or am I being paranoid?

   ~LauraG

Laura Gekeler
LMS Administrator, Learning Management Solutions

University of Notre Dame

[Elizabeth Kiggins]

Hi Laura,

Thanks for your post. I am interested in the response, especially the one about performance issues. 

We have already had faculty express concerns that they cannot upload MP4 files to Sakai. The file sizes are not that big (under the limit) and they are under their quota. So there's no apparent reason they shouldn't be able to upload them. 

We do increase quota when necessary. We also encourage faculty to save their video files on Google Drive, set the sharing permissions and share via Sakai. However, this doesn't work for our students who are studying from China.

Good luck,

Beth

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[Jennifer Loudiana]

Interesting, we haven’t had any faculty with issues uploading unless their quota has been reached or if it is an internet issue.

 

 

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[Heather Valli]

Depending on how you pay for server space, keeping videos in Sakai could get expensive. And I believe that actual media servers may be configured in ways that the servers hosting an LMS wouldn't be, so that could lead to performance issues. We are using WarpWire and strongly encouraging our instructors to upload videos there. It seems to integrate reasonably well with Sakai. 

Heather Valli

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[Jennifer Loudiana]

If you are an Office365 school you may have access to Stream to load videos and link to them as well.

 

 

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[David Eveland]

WE also use Warpwire and have been working to remove/move video files in Resources over the past year. I am unaware of access issues anywhere on the globe.

 

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   ~LauraG

Laura Gekeler
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[David Eveland]

Stream in Office365 will also auto-caption files – which can be super beneficial for students with may have hearing impairment.

 

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Laura Gekeler
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[Sam Ottenhoff]

Delivering files from Sakai is not especially resource-intensive for the application. Self-hosted Sakai institutions have lots of available bandwidth and Sakai vendors mainly host on the cloud with access to near-infinite amounts of bandwidth charged per GB. The problem with video delivery is that you are no longer delivering to a population hosted exclusively on a fast campus network. The students at home with great internet connections will have no problem, but the students in rural settings with DSL or mobile access will suffer. Video solutions like Warpwire, Kaltura, Vimeo, and Youtube handle lots of underlying complexity like delivering the best compression to your device (e.g., old Windows IE gets one codec while updated iPhone gets optimized codec) and the maximum bitrate for your connection (high-def for the good connections and low-def for the bad connections). Sakai Resources simply delivers the large, unoptimized video to your end users.

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[Laura Gekeler]

Thanks Marty. Yes, ND uses Panopto. The issue is not many have used it and continue to upload directly to Sakai even with the plug-in available. LG.

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At Duke, we utilize Warpwire. Disclaimer: The company is located across from our campus and has some ties to the university.

Not a sys admin so can't speak to what type of performance hit there could be. However, I'd recommend utilizing a service specifically designed for streaming video (Warpwire, YouTube, Vimeo, Zoom, etc). If those aren't possible, at least moving the files out of Sakai and onto a cloud management service (Box, Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, etc) would at least get the burden of file storage out of Sakai. If a link is created to a video file on most of these services, they were stream the file for the viewer. 

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[Laura Gekeler]

Dave, what's your process to get video out of Sakai? LG

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[Laura Gekeler]

Thank you, Sam. I think this is what most of us assumed, just good to get it clarified.

Thanks again,

   ~LauraG

[Bristow, Charles]

We are providing instructions for uploading to an Office365 video channel (set up for their course).

 

Charles

 

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1) Could so many videos playing out of Resources cause performance issues instance wide?

2) What kind of help are you providing to your faculty? Do you increase their quotas so they can do it? Or do you provide instructions on how to upload to whatever streaming video service you provide?

 

I hate to think of future support issues if this continues. Or am I being paranoid?

   ~LauraG

Laura Gekeler
LMS Administrator, Learning Management Solutions

University of Notre Dame

 

 

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[Sanghyun Jeon]

we encourage our users to use Box as their file storage, now Sakai. Uploading the (multimedia) files into Box and add the link of Box into Sakai (Resources).

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[Tonco Tijdeman]

Currently, we have all our video's on Stream and embed them in the Lessons of courses, using the embed code.

[David Eveland]

Tonco,

 

I’m curious – we also use Stream (have it) and largely use it to create closed captioning for our videos. I wish stream had an LTI. My question in your implementation is how do you set the permissions for assets (videos or libraries) so that your users easily have access to the files?

 

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Subject: [sakai-user] Re: Pandemic: Putting video recordings in Sakai Resources. How do you deal?

 

Currently, we have all our video's on Stream and embed them in the Lessons of courses, using the embed code.

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:03:56 PM UTC+1, lgekeler wrote:

1) Could so many videos playing out of Resources cause performance issues instance wide?

2) What kind of help are you providing to your faculty? Do you increase their quotas so they can do it? Or do you provide instructions on how to upload to whatever streaming video service you provide?

 

I hate to think of future support issues if this continues. Or am I being paranoid?

   ~LauraG

Laura Gekeler
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University of Notre Dame

 

 

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[Feller, Kathy]

We do this, too – use Stream and embed the videos in Lessons.

 

For some videos, we set the permissions to “everyone with an account on our 365”. But most of them, we set to the students for that course. I set up groups for each course (by Cohort so I don’t need to make so many groups). You can also add people individually – which I do for the one or two classes where we have students from another cohort.

 

Kathy

 

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[Jennifer Loudiana]

Same here Kathy, but our instructors set those themselves in stream on the video level.

 

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We do this, too – use Stream and embed the videos in Lessons.

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[Feller, Kathy]

Yes, that’s the way to do it. We just recently moved our videos from Kaltura to Stream so I’ve been handling everything (we’re a small college). We will most likely train our instructors once we get through the current events.

 

Kathy

[David Eveland]

I see I never replied back on this thread. (Sorry)

 

We did have some folks putting MP4’s right into Resources. Ick. We used some reporting from Longsight to comb through sites and identify those sites with the largest resource quotas. From that we looked and created Warpwire libraries, ported the videos, placed them into the courses (which was also a good invitation for course update/redesign) and then eliminated the original videos in Resources.

 

We do so using the reporting form Longsight – and our course offerings (when/how often the course is offered) to guide the triage process.

 

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   ~LauraG

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Laura Gekeler
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[Laura Gekeler]

Thanks Dave!

[Terry Golightly]

It's also a good time to check for closed captioning, etc.

Terry Golightly

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[Luisa A.G. González]

Hello,

I really liked the Warpwire  platform, however, how to have the platform?

Is it free to use? or does it require paying to use it?

In advance, thank you very much

Sincerely

Luisa Aleyda Garcia González
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LARC - Laboratory of Architecture and Computer Networks

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[David Eveland]

Great question Luisa!

 

There’s information about who to talk to here: https://www.warpwire.com. I’d suggest you let them know you’d like to speak with Andrew, though I’m sure anyone of their people can be of help.

 

We appreciate the fact that they use a global content delivery backbone – and the integration with Tsugi tools and analytics has been great. As I told another administrator earlier today – our cost has not increased – except to cover our usage – but Warpwire has continued to deliver new features and improvements each year – and we’ve been a happy client since 2015, when we switched from a flash-based platform.

 

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