Open licensing list

[Andrew Petro]

I write to propose that Apereo implement an email list parallel to the existing licensing@ that is open membership and open archives.

Compare Apache's legal-discuss email list.

Open participation and open archives are convenient, effective things. Openness means that when you have something to contribute or want to ask others' kind opinions, you simply join the list and post. When you want to understand whether your question has already been answered, you simply read the archives, or even search. Transparency helps with understanding culture, history, decisions, and where appropriate, challenging these in a more informed and thoughtful way.

I believe openness is also close to the heart of Apereo values.

There are moments for privacy. Indeed, Apache does have private email lists. There's a legal-private@ specifically.

By holding an open email list in parallel with a private list, the closedness and privacy can be reserved for conversations that benefit or need more from that privacy than they would benefit from openness. Having the open parallel reduces the friction to realizing and executing on opportunities for openness. 

The easiest path forward might be to create a licensing-open@, so as to require minimal technical change to existing licensing@, and then begin to move licensing conversations that can be held more publicly from closed licensing@ to licensing-open@.

Apereo has precedent for parallel open and closed email lists: cas-appsec-public has public participation and archives, whereas a cas-appsec-private triages security issues before it is appropriate that they be discussed publicly.

 Kind regards,

Andrew

[Ian Dolphin]

+1

--

Sent from a mobile device, apologies for typos and brevity.

 

ian.d...@apereo.org

Twitter: iandolphin24

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to open+uns...@apereo.org.
To post to this group, send email to op...@apereo.org.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/apereo.org/group/open/.

[Andrew Petro]

A week later, proposal to create an email list licensing-open@ has one +1 and no objections.

I followed instructions How to request a new email list to create a JIRA CH-175 requesting implementation of the new licensing-open@ list.

Kind regards,

Andrew

[Jim Helwig]

…. and in the process highlighted yet another set of documentation that is far out of date and needs to be decommissioned. I don’t believe we had a similar page or set of instructions for lists under the apereo.org domain, but I am sure your email will trigger the appropriate set of actions.

Stay tuned...

[Neal Caidin]

We discussed and agreed on a new open list on the Licensing group and to keep the existing license group private:

https://groups.google.com/a/apereo.org/forum/#!topic/licensing/ltdUjepU1Kc

I think we just need to finalize on the name?

It seemed to be between licensing-open and licensing-discuss

Also was a question of how to initially populate the new list.

I can take an action to create the new list, once those details are figured out. 

-- Neal

[Ian Dolphin (apereo)]

I would strongly suggest licensing-discuss as the closest name to the purpose of the list.

I also made a proposal to the current licensing list to invite one rep per software community to augment the current, rather ex-sakai membership.

I saw one +1 to that, and a comment from Noah.

Best

Ian
--
Ian Dolphin
Executive Director, Apereo Foundation

ian.d...@apereo.org


Discover more about Apereo by visiting www.apereo.org or subscribe to our announcements and open discussion lists by sending mail to announcemen...@apereo.org and open+su...@apereo.org

[Jim Helwig]

In looking over the list of Apereo groups to date, it doesn’t seem that we have a precedence for *-open vs. *-discuss. The former is a signal that it is not closed while the latter is a signal that it is a place for discussion. Both are valid. Since the vast majority of our lists are open, perhaps it is somewhat unnecessary to signal that aspect. I would therefore suggest that the list be licensing-discuss. I would further suggest that the current members of the licensing list be pre-populated to the discussion list and leave it at that. An announcement of the list and invitation to join could go out on these two lists as well as the Apereo announcements list. It could also be highlighted in the newsletter.

JimH

[Neal Caidin]

I've created a licensin...@apereo.org and added all the Licensing group members.

Anyone from the Open list who wishes to join, please send an email to licensing-dis...@apereo.org .

If that doesn't work, please let me know and I'll add you.

-- Neal

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Licensing" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to licensing+...@apereo.org.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/apereo.org/group/licensing/.