Re Hi! slackers!
B'ichela
I am borrowing a friends account (with permission of course!). I have
a few Slackware related questions.
1. I have a friend with a CD-R drive. we want to find an ISO image of
slackware 4.0. Does anyone know where we can find such a site?
2. I am now running slackware 8.0. works ok but... I miss the ole
libc5! (its thinner!) how can I downgrade slackware 8.0 to
compile/link/use libc5 will keeping the glic2.2.3 lib as a runtime
package?
3. anyone got a Wangtek 5150es scsi tape drive laying around? I
lost mine in the move, all of my software work is on two tapes that
I need the drive to read! including a working y2k compliant c-news and
nntpd with my configured suck system (configured to my old ISP)
If you have such a drive laying around, email me!
I also have a new box. (sigh, the old one was nice too) its a
Pentium-150 with 32MB of ram and PCI slots. Still gotta get a scsi
card for the 6X cd-rom drive (its a caddy drive! Yay!)
I lost everyhing I had as my building was forclosed by the
bank, landlord did not have the ability to pay the mortgage, Building
was not up to code. town CONDEMMED it! I had to move real fast! had to
leave original computer at the apartment, Darn it! it was too BIG to
move! If you want to email me it is bich...@yahoo.com. I am going
to see if my old ISP will let me establish an account again, I left
on good terms. never know if I owe them any green stuff though.
/dev/rob0
> 1. I have a friend with a CD-R drive. we want to find an ISO image of
> slackware 4.0. Does anyone know where we can find such a site?
I think 7.0 was the first version for which Pat released ISO images. You
may have to make your own. Try ftp.eunet.be, maintained by a participant
here, which IIRC does have 4.0. (IAC 4.0 shouldn't be hard to find.)
> 2. I am now running slackware 8.0. works ok but... I miss the ole
> libc5! (its thinner!) how can I downgrade slackware 8.0 to
> compile/link/use libc5 will keeping the glic2.2.3 lib as a runtime
> package?
Interesting idea. You could try installing a mini-4.0 (such as ZipSlack)
somewhere and compiling in a chroot'ed shell. I tried that (because I
need to make packages for my 4.0 Laptosaurus) but it couldn't get it to
work out. I guess I need to play/read some more with/about it.
> I lost everyhing I had as my building was forclosed by the
> bank, landlord did not have the ability to pay the mortgage, Building
> was not up to code. town CONDEMMED it! I had to move real fast! had to
> leave original computer at the apartment, Darn it! it was too BIG to
Sorry to hear that. Best of luck to you -- sounds like it's your turn
for it. :)
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Ron Gibson
> 3. anyone got a Wangtek 5150es scsi tape drive laying around? I
> lost mine in the move, all of my software work is on two tapes that
Try this outfit. They have a your model. Say that's an old one, eh?
http://www.eds-sales.com/EDS-QICPG.htm
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B'ichela
> In article <slrnae8u63....@pinkrose.local.net>, B'ichela wrote:
>> 1. I have a friend with a CD-R drive. we want to find an ISO image of
>> slackware 4.0. Does anyone know where we can find such a site?
>
> I think 7.0 was the first version for which Pat released ISO images. You
> may have to make your own. Try ftp.eunet.be, maintained by a participant
> here, which IIRC does have 4.0. (IAC 4.0 shouldn't be hard to find.)
>
over my dialup line. I am only at 33.6kbps! I will have him grap the
files.
>> 2. I am now running slackware 8.0. works ok but... I miss the ole
>> libc5! (its thinner!) how can I downgrade slackware 8.0 to
>> compile/link/use libc5 will keeping the glic2.2.3 lib as a runtime
>> package?
>
> Interesting idea. You could try installing a mini-4.0 (such as ZipSlack)
> somewhere and compiling in a chroot'ed shell. I tried that (because I
> need to make packages for my 4.0 Laptosaurus) but it couldn't get it to
> work out. I guess I need to play/read some more with/about it.
>
and with our current 8.0 sources... Let me get a bigger HD first though
I am running on 4 IDE hds! heres how it stacks up
Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda3 530160 313156 189640 63% /
/dev/hdb1 806448 451164 313656 59% /usr
/dev/hdc1 247919 162419 72700 70% /usr/X11R6
/dev/hdc2 264037 99694 150710 40% /usr/src
/dev/hda1 41198 22466 18732 55% /dos
/dev/hdd1 519836 243904 249524 50% /usr/lib
This would mean that I would have some room in /usr to make a chroot
in. Only problem is zipslack does not have the Development tools.
Thats in the D disk set. We would need the full 4.0 release anyway.
Of course I can put /usr/lib back in the /usr drive. that would give
me about 500M for a slackware 4.0 work spot.
>> I lost everyhing I had as my building was forclosed by the
>> bank, landlord did not have the ability to pay the mortgage, Building
>> was not up to code. town CONDEMMED it! I had to move real fast! had to
>> leave original computer at the apartment, Darn it! it was too BIG to
>
> Sorry to hear that. Best of luck to you -- sounds like it's your turn
> for it. :)
>
yeah. I am hoping to get HUD section-8 voucher in a few months.
then I will get a new apartment of my own. along with returning
to my former ISP. Too bad SNET is the only DSL choice in Connecticut.
their service stinks! Love the speed though! Oh well, with my own apt.
I can tie up the phone for DAYS! without my mother screaming bloody
murder (I am living with my parents at this time). Good way to keep
the bill collectors off your back! as well as those solicitors!
My next hardware add ons are really very low key.
1. 4gb SCSI Hard drives (http://www.ventoassociates.com)
2. A wangtek 5150es tape backup unit. (I got tapes to read!)
3. More 10base-2 cards and cables.
4. a few 486s to set up as thin clients.
During my time at home I am working at paying off my bills.
(because of being homeless for a month, and living in a travel
trailer in a trailer park. I did not get all my bills paid. Now
things are almost paid up!
/dev/rob0
>> Interesting idea. You could try installing a mini-4.0 (such as ZipSlack)
>> somewhere and compiling in a chroot'ed shell. I tried that (because I
>>
> This would mean that I would have some room in /usr to make a chroot
Somewhere, yes. It won't be easy to juggle around. If you don't want to
make a FAT partition you could make a FAT loop file in which to unzip
the ZipSlack. Then you could simply copy it over (see the ZS FAQ at
http://www.slackware.com/faq/ ) to where you plan to keep it.
> in. Only problem is zipslack does not have the Development tools.
4.0 was the last complete ZipSlack, which *did* have most of the D
packages. But you'll want to go through it and see what you can delete.
> Thats in the D disk set. We would need the full 4.0 release anyway.
No, no more than downloading a few individual packages, if that.
> Of course I can put /usr/lib back in the /usr drive. that would give
> me about 500M for a slackware 4.0 work spot.
Way overkill. I think the full install was just a bit over 600MB. That
was with all of X and X-related packages.
> 3. More 10base-2 cards and cables.
Ugh, I dislike 10Base-2. I had lots of trouble with it. Cat-5 UTP is
cheaper and SO much more reliable. Even hubs can be had cheaply. Look
around for used junk. I found a local networking shop which gave me a
bunch of 10Base-T equipment for almost nothing.
Good luck.
B'ichela
>> in. Only problem is zipslack does not have the Development tools.
>
> 4.0 was the last complete ZipSlack, which *did* have most of the D
> packages. But you'll want to go through it and see what you can delete.
snarf ;) Speedly little DSL...
> No, no more than downloading a few individual packages, if that.
sets. I have to do it a little each night as I don't have the option
to tie up the family phone for many hours. What I am thinking of
doing is installpkg the 'd1' set right on top of the original 8.0 'd'
set. then things would work but... there would be some hanging
symlinks and older libs such as my compiled gtk libs. etc...
> Way overkill. I think the full install was just a bit over 600MB. That
> was with all of X and X-related packages.
install takes 2GB! for 8.0!
> Ugh, I dislike 10Base-2. I had lots of trouble with it. Cat-5 UTP is
> cheaper and SO much more reliable. Even hubs can be had cheaply. Look
> around for used junk. I found a local networking shop which gave me a
> bunch of 10Base-T equipment for almost nothing.
had one lousy connector. After I replaced that, no problems.
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B'ichela
/dev/rob0
>> Way overkill. I think the full install was just a bit over 600MB. That
>> was with all of X and X-related packages.
> Quite a diff from 8.0! our little setup program says a full
> install takes 2GB! for 8.0!
Most of the bloat was in KDE and GNOME, with glibc in third place. You
can't do much with the desktop environments on old hardware anyway.
>> Ugh, I dislike 10Base-2. I had lots of trouble with it. Cat-5 UTP is
>> cheaper and SO much more reliable. Even hubs can be had cheaply. Look
> It has its places. I have had good luck with 10base2. Yeah I
> had one lousy connector. After I replaced that, no problems.
Oh sure it has its place -- dumpsters. :) Your time is coming, mark my
words. You'll discover the joys of intermittent cable errors. Really, I
wouldn't want to deploy any more than 2 machines on a 10Base-2 link, and
even then, I'd prefer if possible to use 10Base-T with crossover cable.
Joost Kremers
> In article <slrnaeekpa....@pinkrose.local.net>, B'ichela wrote:
>>> Ugh, I dislike 10Base-2. I had lots of trouble with it. Cat-5 UTP is
>>> cheaper and SO much more reliable. Even hubs can be had cheaply. Look
>> It has its places. I have had good luck with 10base2. Yeah I
>> had one lousy connector. After I replaced that, no problems.
>
> Oh sure it has its place -- dumpsters. :) Your time is coming, mark my
> words. You'll discover the joys of intermittent cable errors. Really, I
> wouldn't want to deploy any more than 2 machines on a 10Base-2 link, and
> even then, I'd prefer if possible to use 10Base-T with crossover cable.
erm... you know the university where i work (well, the arts department
anyway) still uses 10Base-2 to connect computers to the network...
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/dev/rob0
Joost Kremers wrote:
>>>> Ugh, I dislike 10Base-2. I had lots of trouble with it. Cat-5 UTP is
>>
>> words. You'll discover the joys of intermittent cable errors. Really, I
>
> anyway) still uses 10Base-2 to connect computers to the network...
Yep. The *Arts* department. Need I say more?!? ;) :)
Joost Kremers
> In article <slrnaei13l.b...@catv0149.extern.kun.nl>,
> Joost Kremers wrote:
>>>>> Ugh, I dislike 10Base-2. I had lots of trouble with it. Cat-5 UTP is
>>>> It has its places. I have had good luck with 10base2. Yeah I
>>>
>>> Oh sure it has its place -- dumpsters. :) Your time is coming, mark my
>>> words. You'll discover the joys of intermittent cable errors. Really, I
>>
>> erm... you know the university where i work (well, the arts department
>> anyway) still uses 10Base-2 to connect computers to the network...
>
> Yep. The *Arts* department. Need I say more?!? ;) :)
no...
B'ichela
> Most of the bloat was in KDE and GNOME, with glibc in third place. You
> can't do much with the desktop environments on old hardware anyway.
had here. with a 1gb /usr partition. Gawd! its SLOWWWW! Whereas my
little fvwm95 window manager using the Xfree86-3.3.2 S3 Xwindows
Server works very fine. I did want GIMP so I compiled it, BY HAND!.
very confusing with all those libraries that seem to be nested.
>
> Oh sure it has its place -- dumpsters. :) Your time is coming, mark my
> words. You'll discover the joys of intermittent cable errors. Really, I
> wouldn't want to deploy any more than 2 machines on a 10Base-2 link, and
> even then, I'd prefer if possible to use 10Base-T with crossover cable.
>
computers daisy chained. fixed that bumm plug and all worked fine up
until I was forced to flee my apartment and leave my lan behind.
Never a dropped packet. ping showed 100% sucess on all boxes. even my
XT running NCSA telnet was happy! Since these cards are "give aways"
anyone have any? I also could use another set of connectors and
terminators.
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Carbon
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> > Quite a diff from 8.0! our little setup program says a full
> > install takes 2GB! for 8.0!
>
> can get quite below that mark with little effort.
>
> I have two cds of mp3s sitting in temp right now so if e adjust for
> tmp my full install is 799M after compiling a lot of things by hand.
. . .
If you're really keen to save space you can always strip all your
binaries and library files. Once I did that I had no trouble fitting
a reasonable slack8 install (no X but all the development tools) into
a gig of disk.
+Chiron+
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> If you're really keen to save space you can always strip all your
> binaries and library files. Once I did that I had no trouble fitting
> a reasonable slack8 install (no X but all the development tools) into
> a gig of disk.
You're still installing WAY too much stuff.
My average installs are around 150-300M (depending upon what I do, or do
not install) not including the D packages. however, I've got an older
laptop that I just installed 8.0 onto that's perfectly functional with
only 50 megs of Slack.
Now I just need to get a network card for it so I can read my mail while
walking about the house.
1 Gig installs includes a TON of struff that I'm almost positive you
don't need. (or even know what you've installed for that matter)
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> My average installs are around 150-300M (depending upon what I do, or do
> not install) not including the D packages.
I cant live without the basic D packages on an install. Too many
things to compile.
> 1 Gig installs includes a TON of struff that I'm almost positive you
> don't need. (or even know what you've installed for that matter)
One gig is a lot for a slack install. One gig striped is monsterus.
The larger the install the slower the box gets at 04:40. And no one
needs 5 window managers installed anyway.
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B'ichela
> If you're really keen to save space you can always strip all your
> binaries and library files. Once I did that I had no trouble fitting
> a reasonable slack8 install (no X but all the development tools) into
> a gig of disk.
about stripping. If I strip the glibc in /lib which option should I
use strip --all or strip --debug? can I safely strip every librairy
or should I NOT strip them? how about the /usr/bin /usr/sbin
/bin /sbin?
Funny though: Even without stripping. my Slackware 3.9 system
did not take the Gig. If I remember correctly. I had over 2GB of
space and had almost 1GB left! and that was with a large Newsfeed run
by Cnews (over 30 newsgroups heavy traffic) and a large FTP dload
area. A workstation with the A,AP,N,D tools weighted in at about
300M! Of course that wa with all the /usr/doc and /usr/info area
populated. (Since I ran the same on the NFS/NIS server I later zapped
them and used the NFS mounted /usr directory.
Its been so long and that computer is not here, so don't
blast me, I havent touched it in over a year! that I may be WAY off!
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Jurgen Philippaerts
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On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 09:29:21AM +0000, B'ichela wrote:
> > If you're really keen to save space you can always strip all your
> > binaries and library files. Once I did that I had no trouble fitting
> > a reasonable slack8 install (no X but all the development tools) into
> > a gig of disk.
> Thats a procedure I will do when I get my new SCSI HD. Now
> about stripping. If I strip the glibc in /lib which option should I
> use strip --all or strip --debug? can I safely strip every librairy
> or should I NOT strip them? how about the /usr/bin /usr/sbin
> /bin /sbin?
you don't strip your default slackware binaries.
they are stripped already.
i once experimented with this. and started stripping binaries and
libs.
result: system that either crashed, X didn't work, or didn't boot
properly anymore.
you only strip binaries that you compiled yourself.
so basically, the tip about stripping can be ignored here.
> Funny though: Even without stripping. my Slackware 3.9 system
> did not take the Gig. If I remember correctly. I had over 2GB of
> space and had almost 1GB left! and that was with a large Newsfeed run
this is the way to go.
selective and custom installation.
i have a 340Mb disk, that i used to testdrive slackware 8.0 on a box.
i installed with networking and devellopment, so i could compile
things. without X though.
still had a little space over for a full 2.4 kernel source :)
Jurgen.
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> /dev/hda6 3.7G 1.7G 2.0G 46% /data
That caught me off gaurd. I was wondering when other people started
using a /data partition
> /dev/hda7 282M 104M 178M 37% /home
> //cx1209071-a/g 31G 30G 1.4G 96% /mnt/backup[0]
And then I saw that. That there is my hdd!
> +-(faux@fugozi)-(140/1)-(00:56:38:Mon May 20)-
> +-($:~)-
> du -h /tmp | tail -1
> 114M /tmp
Sure enough!
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