Minicom Revisited...
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minicom is used, the fact that it also goes down when I do:
cu -l /dev/modem
and dial out that way not using minicom... Is it a lock file that something
in the network ifcfg scripts checks for and suspends the network if it's
there?
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trying to do, connect somewhere with TCP/IP, or just connect with a comm
program?
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on their HP system just fine, but while I"m working, the problems exist...
cu works just dandy. I've used it for years.
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> Add to my previous post about the network link on my system going down when
> minicom is used, the fact that it also goes down when I do:
>
> cu -l /dev/modem
>
> and dial out that way not using minicom... Is it a lock file that something
> in the network ifcfg scripts checks for and suspends the network if it's
> there?
Uh, is /dev/modem tied to your PPP connection by any chance? If so,
you'll have problems.
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my ISP. There's no connection that I can think of. I have tried recently
(last couple days) setting up PPP0 and PPP1 to two different clients that
use RAS on NT servers. I can get connected but the routes don't work. I
wonder if those setups have something to do with this.
I've setup VPN before on a Linux box without affecting the rest of the
network routes. That box was also on RedHat 7.0.
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> Nope. I'm on a DSL link through a hub to a Cisco router then out the line to
> my ISP. There's no connection that I can think of. I have tried recently
> (last couple days) setting up PPP0 and PPP1 to two different clients that
> use RAS on NT servers. I can get connected but the routes don't work. I
> wonder if those setups have something to do with this.
It could. You need to look at your routing tables (netstat -rn) and
your /etc/resolv.conf to see if something got whanged. My guess is that
the routes are wrong because of the PPP sessions. Double check the
/etc/sysconfig stuff for ppp setups.
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All,
On my Linux laptop when I boot I get the [FAILED] status and an error
message that says "network deferred". Automounts fail (makes sense since
it has deferred network connection). Is this a result of DHCP or some
misconfiguration? I do have a DHCP server which should be properly set up
so even if it is a DHCP issue, that DHCP server should be doling out those
numbers.
Also, name resolution is failing (another duh... no network).
I'm sure its something simple but can't put my finger on it.
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Kurt B. Kaiser
> John Nelson wrote:
> > On my Linux laptop when I boot I get the [FAILED] status and an error
> > message that says "network deferred". Automounts fail (makes sense since
> > it has deferred network connection). Is this a result of DHCP or some
> > misconfiguration? I do have a DHCP server which should be properly set up
> > so even if it is a DHCP issue, that DHCP server should be doling out those
> > numbers.
> >
> > Also, name resolution is failing (another duh... no network).
> >
> > I'm sure its something simple but can't put my finger on it.
>
>
>
> If it's PCMCIA, do you have the PCMCIA services set up to run?
> They must be running before the network will work. By default,
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network starts first, then /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia.
I see this myself on my Gateway Solo. The eth0 tries to start before the
pcmcia, and of course it can't. It isn't causing me any problems bvecause I
don't have automounts and when the pcmcia comes up it starts eth0 OK.
I've been thinking of changing the order in the startup scripts rc.d/rcX.d to
avoid the "FAIL", does anyone see a problem starting pcmcia earlier?
Regards, KBK
John Nelson
PCMICA... dang I should have thought of that myself. Starting the
network before
the PCMCIA interface seems kinda dumb though. Wonder what the rationale
behind
that was.
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Rick Stevens wrote:
> Is this based on a PCMCIA NIC card or one that's built in?
>
> If it's PCMCIA, do you have the PCMCIA services set up to run?
> They must be running before the network will work. By default,
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network starts first, then /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia.
>
> If it's built in, then perhaps it's a funky NIC and you need a driver
> for it.
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>
> PCMICA... dang I should have thought of that myself. Starting the
> network before
> the PCMCIA interface seems kinda dumb though. Wonder what the rationale
> behind
> that was.
As I said before, I dunno. However, even if PCMCIA is started after
the network is started, the NIC should still come up. You'll just
get a "FAIL" message during startup, then stuff will happen, then
you'll see an "eth0" after PCMCIA services start. It's weird.
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> rste...@vitalstream.com (Rick Stevens) writes:
>
>>John Nelson wrote:
>>
>>>On my Linux laptop when I boot I get the [FAILED] status and an error
>>>message that says "network deferred". Automounts fail (makes sense since
>>>it has deferred network connection). Is this a result of DHCP or some
>>>misconfiguration? I do have a DHCP server which should be properly set up
>>>so even if it is a DHCP issue, that DHCP server should be doling out those
>>>numbers.
>>>
>>>Also, name resolution is failing (another duh... no network).
>>>
>>>I'm sure its something simple but can't put my finger on it.
>>>
>>
>>Is this based on a PCMCIA NIC card or one that's built in?
>>
>>If it's PCMCIA, do you have the PCMCIA services set up to run?
>>They must be running before the network will work. By default,
>>/etc/rc.d/init.d/network starts first, then /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia.
>>
>
> I see this myself on my Gateway Solo. The eth0 tries to start before the
> pcmcia, and of course it can't. It isn't causing me any problems bvecause I
> don't have automounts and when the pcmcia comes up it starts eth0 OK.
>
> I've been thinking of changing the order in the startup scripts rc.d/rcX.d to
> avoid the "FAIL", does anyone see a problem starting pcmcia earlier?
No, you can do it when you wish. I never did find out why Linux
does it in this sequence. It does seem a bit silly.
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> No, you can do it when you wish. I never did find out why Linux
> does it in this sequence. It does seem a bit silly.
Maybe it was set up before PCMCIA ethernet cards were common and no one ever
bothered to change it.
One of these days I'll give it a shot. That one red FAIL is a blight on the
beauty of the boot :)
Regards, KBK
Rick Stevens
> rste...@vitalstream.com (Rick Stevens) writes:
>
>
>>No, you can do it when you wish. I never did find out why Linux
>>does it in this sequence. It does seem a bit silly.
>>
>
> Maybe it was set up before PCMCIA ethernet cards were common and no one ever
> bothered to change it.
Well, I don't know. I seem to remember similar things going back to the
very first Slackware releases with kernel 0.94 and earlier.
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> Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
> > Maybe it was set up before PCMCIA ethernet cards were common and no one
> > ever bothered to change it.
>
> Well, I don't know. I seem to remember similar things going back to the
> very first Slackware releases with kernel 0.94 and earlier.
They were supporting PCMCIA and Ethernet PC cards that early?
Regards, KBK
Rick Stevens
> rste...@vitalstream.com (Rick Stevens) writes:
>
>>Kurt B. Kaiser wrote:
>>
>>>Maybe it was set up before PCMCIA ethernet cards were common and no one
>>>ever bothered to change it.
>>>
>>Well, I don't know. I seem to remember similar things going back to the
>>very first Slackware releases with kernel 0.94 and earlier.
>>
>
> They were supporting PCMCIA and Ethernet PC cards that early?
Well, fairly early. I'm not certain if it was the 0.9x kernels,
but pretty close (for sure in the 1.2 series). I had an ancient
laptop (P75) that I ran Slackware on that used a 10Base-T card
that looked like the NE2000.
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> Well, fairly early. I'm not certain if it was the 0.9x kernels,
> but pretty close (for sure in the 1.2 series). I had an ancient
> laptop (P75) that I ran Slackware on that used a 10Base-T card
> that looked like the NE2000.
I had Slackware going back in '96 or so ('97?) on a Toshiba Satellite (486),
but I never did get the networking going ;) The box is long gone and I don't
remember what the version was.
Regards, KBK
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Jim Ruxton
know Linux. I just recently installed RH7.2 on my laptop. It has an
internal ethernet port. Since I installed RH7.2 (dual booting with XP)
I've been getting the nuisance :
"Bringing up interface eth0" can't locate IP address [FAILED]
I'm not sure why it's looking for an IP address on bootup . I am not
always connected to a network. eth0 works fine when I start pppoe for my
adsl connection. It appeared to take longer and longer every time I
booted for the [FAILED] message to come back. Now it just hangs before
the [FAILED] message appears. I can only boot in interactive mode and
say no to starting eth0 . It still starts fine when I run a start-pppoe
script.
Here is my ifcfg-eth0 script. I'd really appreciate any help to get this
fixed. Thanks!
DEVICE=eth0
ONBOOT=yes # (I tried saying no but it didn't make a difference)
BOOTPROTO=dhcp
TYPE=Ethernet
USERCTL=no
PEERDNS=no
Jim
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for eth0 to start, it has to have a static IP or be able to configure itself
using DHCP, otherwise it will fail every time. If you will be connecting to
a network using eth0, assign a static IP or give it a DHCP server that it
can find during boot.
At least that's how I understand things.
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> You need to set eth0 to not start at bootup if you aren't using it.
>In order
> for eth0 to start, it has to have a static IP or be able to configure
itself
> using DHCP, otherwise it will fail every time. If you will be connecting
to
> a network using eth0, assign a static IP or give it a DHCP server that it
> can find during boot.
configure this.
Thanks,
Jim
Rick Stevens
> Thanks Karl
>
>>You need to set eth0 to not start at bootup if you aren't using it.
>>
> What is the best way to do this?
You _can_ have it start at boot under DHCP. You need to run "netconfig"
and set it to DHCP operation. (and the .sig below was selected
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OR DHCP and want to start after boot time, you can just run
ifup eth0
and that will kick it off (ifdown eth0 to drop it).
Paul Swider
idea-cd 27104 0 (autoclean)
cdrom 27392 0 (autoclean) [ide-cd]
autofs 11136 1 (autoclean)
ipchains 38944 0 (unused)
usb-uhci 20848 0 (unused)
usbcore 49632 1 [usb-uhci]
ka...@ourldsfamily.com wrote:
> It appears that the network card isn't loaded. Have you done lsmod as root
> to see what's loaded? Mine is:
>
> [root@frank /root]# lsmod
> Module Size Used by
> ide-cd 23628 0 (autoclean)
> lockd 31176 1 (autoclean)
> sunrpc 52964 1 (autoclean) [lockd]
> tulip 31992 1 (autoclean)
> pci-scan 2484 0 (autoclean) [tulip]
> agpgart 18600 0 (unused)
> opl3 11432 0
> cs4232 2672 0
> ad1848 16304 0 [cs4232]
> uart401 6224 0 [cs4232]
> sound 57496 0 [opl3 cs4232 ad1848 uart401]
> soundcore 2596 6 [sound]
> soundlow 420 0 [sound]
> usb-uhci 19052 0 (unused)
> usbcore 42088 1 [usb-uhci]
> [root@frank /root]#
>
> The network card is the tupid driver above so I know my network card (eth0)
> is loaded during boot. You can also type dmesg as root, piped to more, and
> see what happens during boot, just in case there's an error message
> indicating some hardware problem. That's a useful command to find out why
> PCI cards don't work. You get to see the interrupts and memory locations
> they are using...
>
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> On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Paul Swider wrote:
>
> I'm following this eagerly because I have similar problems. But, when I run
> ifup eth0 I get
>
> Delaying eth0 initialization
>
> and if I run ifconfig -a I show no eth0 listing at all. I assume this means
> eth0 is not running but it also appears that it is refusing. Why would this be?
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Rick Stevens wrote:
> Paul Swider wrote:
>
> > I'm following this eagerly because I have similar problems. But, when I run
> > ifup eth0 I get
> >
> > Delaying eth0 initialization
> >
> > and if I run ifconfig -a I show no eth0 listing at all. I assume this means
> > eth0 is not running but it also appears that it is refusing. Why would this be?
>
> On a laptop? What kind of card?
>
> > ka...@ourldsfamily.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I think I said DHCP can come up at boot time, but, if you have a static IP
> >>OR DHCP and want to start after boot time, you can just run
> >>
> >>ifup eth0
> >>
> >>and that will kick it off (ifdown eth0 to drop it).
>
> True. I was commenting on:
> >>>You need to set eth0 to not start at bootup if you aren't using it.
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Paul Swider wrote:
I'm following this eagerly because I have similar problems. But, when I run
ifup eth0 I get
Delaying eth0 initialization
and if I run ifconfig -a I show no eth0 listing at all. I assume this means
eth0 is not running but it also appears that it is refusing. Why would this be?
ka...@ourldsfamily.com wrote:
> I think I said DHCP can come up at boot time, but, if you have a static IP
> OR DHCP and want to start after boot time, you can just run
>
> ifup eth0
>
> and that will kick it off (ifdown eth0 to drop it).
>
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> On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jim Ruxton wrote:
>
> Thanks Karl
> > You need to set eth0 to not start at bootup if you aren't using it.
Paul Swider
ifup eth0 I get
Delaying eth0 initialization
and if I run ifconfig -a I show no eth0 listing at all. I assume this means
eth0 is not running but it also appears that it is refusing. Why would this be?
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> I'm following this eagerly because I have similar problems. But, when I run
> ifup eth0 I get
>
> Delaying eth0 initialization
>
> and if I run ifconfig -a I show no eth0 listing at all. I assume this means
> eth0 is not running but it also appears that it is refusing. Why would this be?
On a laptop? What kind of card?
> ka...@ourldsfamily.com wrote:
>
>
>>I think I said DHCP can come up at boot time, but, if you have a static IP
>>OR DHCP and want to start after boot time, you can just run
>>
>>ifup eth0
>>
>>and that will kick it off (ifdown eth0 to drop it).
True. I was commenting on:
>>>You need to set eth0 to not start at bootup if you aren't using it.
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question because you have to turn it off, but, does kudzu run at boot? In
other words, do you see a message indicating that new hardware is being
looked for?
Another question, which usually is asked about winmodems, but, is your
network card completely plug-n-play? (translation: put it in and watch
windows use it poorly, all other OSes miss it entirely).
Paul Swider
is the result.
I am trying to make this machine strictly rh7.1 so I can't test it against windows,
although it used to operate on w98.
ka...@ourldsfamily.com
When I do a pnpdump, I only see my sound card, but, if yours is pnp, then
this might give you some indication why it's not loading. . . or not.
Paul Swider
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probed correctly or at all during bootup.
The only two modules I see on my 7.0 box for SMC cards are:
smc-ultra
smc9194
I doubt either of these work, so they aren't loaded into /etc/modules.conf
during the boot, even though kudzu finds the card.
That's why I think you might want to look into a new card...
Rick Stevens
> I was getting close to that conclusion myself, just because it seemed simpler. Given that,
> can you recommend a card that will not cause rh7.1 to hiccup?
Just about any PCI card will work. I use 3-Com, SMC and Intel a lot.
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can you recommend a card that will not cause rh7.1 to hiccup?
ka...@ourldsfamily.com
compiled using their instructions and it came up first try. But, the 3Com
cards are good, as are the Intel cards, though their failure rate has been
higher at work. The one my wife uses is as old as our DSL line and it's
never had any trouble.
Michael Oatman
During RH7.2 install bootup screen, before X starts for regular
install, it hangs trying to get drive info for hdd (is 30.0*10^9 Bytes
-- not GiB). The message it gives is "timeout waiting for DMA" after
waiting for about 15 seconds. It then does not report partition table
info back during bootup.
When in Disk Druid, it asks if I want to Ignore or Cancel when it tries
to get info (I select Ignore, rather than erase existing NTFS
partitions with all South Park episodes, etc., etc.). I then get drive
info and it mostly always works during install, but I've had kernel
panics (boot from disk) to suddenly missing network cards to Gnome and
KDE X window starts hanging at starting the panel.
I've been watching the list for a few days to see if anyone is having
the same problems, and short of the eth0 questions, nothing really
applied (neat says MAC address is all zeros, but it installed fine
several times and was working previously). I've installed RH6 with a
minimum of difficulty onto the same computer (actually the same
partition locations also), and I would tend to believe RH7.2 would be
that much less difficult. I've installed 7.2 probably 20+ times now.
The C/H/S for hdd are 58316/16/1024 and apparently the heads are 1/16
as many as standard (= 256). My other 2 drives have H/S of 256/1024,
with varying cylinder sizes, as the drives are of different sizes. I
dunno if this will help anyone.
BTW, hda is just 24MB NT loader, various other NT4/2K systems reside in
other partitions on hda, I'm booting from a boot disk (does that use
either Grub or LILO?), hdb is NTFS program files and other data, hdc is
CD-ROM, hdd is primary Linux (hdd1=/boot hdd2=swap hdd3=/ hdd4=Extended
Hex Type 0F) and logical NTFS multimedia, web, FTP, etc.
Thanks Much!!!
Michael
suns...@yahoo.com
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