SUPPORT THE ACTION IN IRAQ! RIDE YOUR BICYCLES!
Garrison Hilliard
REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
Edward Dike, III
"Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
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| Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
|
| REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
There is a pro-war rally in St Paul at the MN state capitol
tomorrow(1200-1400 if your in town).
It has to be held on Saturday, as those likely to attend have jobs and must
work during the week when the anti-American/pro-oppression/pro-Saddam
rallies take place.
I think I might ride down there, as I expect it to be well attended, and
parking will be at a premium.
ED3
Thomas Reynolds
> "Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
> news:fvkn7v09q5kdcirjq...@4ax.com...
> | Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
Being a racist does not make this a better country.
> It has to be held on Saturday, as those likely to attend have jobs and must
> work during the week when the anti-American/pro-oppression/pro-Saddam
> rallies take place.
> I think I might ride down there, as I expect it to be well attended, and
> parking will be at a premium.
>
> ED3
Voicing your support for the war is your right as an American.
Calling someone anti-American simply because they express the opposite
opinion also does not make this a better country.
Tom
(Combat veteran who supports our troops but opposes this war)
R.White
They should be called vandals.
pete boyall
But the Vandals were pro-war :-)
--
Pete
TomCAt
>
> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
No, we don't need their oil. No way....... nope, our bikes don't need no
stinking oil.
But, the bike tires need a cup or two.
The polar-tech, lycra, et all we wear might need a few drops.
Damn, the bike shoes have rubber soles.
Oh shit......... look at all this plastic!!!
Fuck..... the road is asphalt.
Yikes, my bike lock has a plastic cover. And the gears don't stick cause I
use Pedro's OIL.
HELP........... OIL IS EVERYWHERE........ OIL OIL OIL ......... ARAB
OIL........ AMERICAN OIL .......
THERE IS ONLY ONE THING TO DO..................
LETS KILL ALL THE WHALES AND MELT THEM INTO OIL............
BUT THEN THERE WON'T BE ANY WHALES, AND DOLPHINS, AND SEA WORLD, AND DISNEY
WILL THEN BUILD PLASTIC ONES........... AND THAT WOULD REALLY SUCK........
I GIVE UP.......... LETS INVADE IRAQ AND TAKE ALL THE OIL AND KILL EVERYONE
AND THEN WE CAN WATCH IT ON TV.
Edward Dike, III
"Thomas Reynolds" <trey...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:ad7a9af4.03032...@posting.google.com...
I mistakenly used the term "Anti-American" to describe the protests; More
accurately it would describe many of the current group of protesters who
basically drift from one cause to the next, be it animal rights, world
trade, welfare rights, etc, etc.whatever anarchical cause that floats their
way. Among these are paid 'activists', who like the high school kids who
skip school, stop the sign waving, quit and go home as the clock chimes the
appropriate hour.There are quite visible ties between the paid protesters
and various communist organizations who seem to have missed most of the
history of the latter 20th Century.
The 'oppose the war but support the troops' stance is one I cannot accept
when it manifests itself in public protest. During the Viet Nam conflict,
the NVA was clearly aware of the growing political turmoil in the USA. The
propaganda value of seeing what appeared to be street riots bolstered the
morale of the enemy and caused them to persevere against a superior military
foe, prolonging the conflict, and costing American(and Vietnamese) lives.
Do you really think the American service men and women in the dessert feel
'supported' when they see the 'Stop the baby killing' signs?
ED3
smokey
>
> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
i am going riding today, but it is because i enjoy it, not because
i support your president's war. if we didn't need their oil, we
wouldn't be there in the first place.
smokey strodtman
"don't blame me, i voted with the majority".
Garrison Hilliard
> Re: SUPPORT THE ACTION IN IRAQ! RIDE YOUR BICYCLES!
>
> From: best...@yahoo.com (smokey)
>
>Garrison Hilliard <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message [8]news:<fvkn7v09q5kdcirj
>qn08auqcq...@4ax.com>...
>> Let's show the Arabs we don't need their oil!
>>
>> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
>
Then your vote counts! Thanks for supporting the troops!
Ken [NY)
ejaculated:
>"Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in message news:<3XQea.3402$yc3....@news.uswest.net>...
>> "Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
>> news:fvkn7v09q5kdcirjq...@4ax.com...
>> | Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
>
>Being a racist does not make this a better country.
Arabs are a race? I thought it was an ethnicity. Like French.
http://www.francestinks.com/
Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
____________________________________
A reminder: Why we are fighting:
http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/AmericaAttacked.htm
Another reason: http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html
email:
http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
"If you have faith in the United Nations
to do the right thing keep this in mind,
they have Libya heading the Committee on
Human Rights and Iraq heading the Global
Disarmament Committee. Do your own math
here." -Dennis Miller
Ken [NY)
ejaculated:
>I GIVE UP.......... LETS INVADE IRAQ AND TAKE ALL THE OIL AND KILL EVERYONE
>AND THEN WE CAN WATCH IT ON TV.
Not a bad idea. I am trying to figure whether there are any
downsides to it.
Rico
news:lu4p7v0mfm04eubgf...@4ax.com...
>>I GIVE UP.......... LETS INVADE IRAQ AND
>>TAKE ALL THE OIL AND KILL EVERYONE AND
>>THEN WE CAN WATCH IT ON TV.
> Not a bad idea. I am trying to figure
> whether there are any downsides to it.
Don't put yourself out. The downsides will become quite
apparent in time.
> Ken (NY)
> Chairman,
> Department Of Redundancy Department
Carry on. Carry on.
Rico
> I mistakenly used the term "Anti-American"
> to describe the protests; More accurately
> it would describe many of the current group
> of protesters who basically drift from one
> cause to the next, be it animal rights,
> world trade, welfare rights, etc, etc.
> whatever anarchical cause that floats their
> way.
Yes, it does take at least two brain cells to rub together to
see how these issues are connected. (Calling it anarchy is a code
word for saying, Boy, it hurts my brain trying to figure out all
this complicated politics stuff.)
> Do you really think the American service
> men and women in the dessert feel
> 'supported' when they see the 'Stop the
> baby killing' signs?
Perhaps it will encourage them to stop killing those babies.
(See how that works?)
W K
> Do you really think the American service men and women in the dessert feel
better to be in the dessert than other types of sticky stuff
Mike Kruger
news:ad7a9af4.03032...@posting.google.com...
news:<3XQea.3402$yc3....@news.uswest.net>...
> > "Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
> > news:fvkn7v09q5kdcirjq...@4ax.com...
> > | Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
>
> Being a racist does not make this a better country.
"Towelhead" would be best described as a cultural slur.
It might be an ethnic slur, although it applies to multiple ethnic groups,
so it isn't really a good ethnic slur.
Sikhs, for example, have an impressive amount of fabric arrayed on the head,
but are neither Arab nor Muslim. (They don't live in the Middle East,
either, as a rule.)
It's not likely to be a racial slur, as both the person making the
"towelhead" comment and the people being insulted are likely to be
Caucasian. It would be unusual to racially slur your own racial group,
although it's theoretically possible.
Mike Kruger
AKA Honky, Chauvinist Pig, and Live White Male
When I'm riding my bicycle, I'm just riding my bicycle.
Edward Dike, III
"W K" <hyag...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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If you can't post accurately, then don't post at all.
ED3
Edward Dike, III
"Rico" <Er...@NoSpam.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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ED3
R.White
These are the same people who protest *for* a womans right to an
abortion. Now they're concerned for babies.
David Kerber
em...@below.the_text says...
> On 21 Mar 2003 22:16:00 -0800, trey...@my-deja.com (Thomas Reynolds)
> ejaculated:
>
> >"Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in message news:<3XQea.3402$yc3....@news.uswest.net>...
> >> "Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
> >> news:fvkn7v09q5kdcirjq...@4ax.com...
> >> | Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
> >
> >Being a racist does not make this a better country.
>
> Arabs are a race? I thought it was an ethnicity. Like French.
> http://www.francestinks.com/
It's generally considered to be a culture, for which the most common
religion is Islam. However, there are also Christian Arabs and a few
Jewish Arabs. The Jews of the old testament were of Arab culture as
well. The Arabs have had many conflicts with the Persian culture in
Iran. That was the major reason for the Iran/Iraq war back in the 80's.
....
--
Dave Kerber
Fight spam: remove the ns_ from the return address before replying!
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R.White
So many protesting the "killing of babies" in Iraq while
abortions are performed just around the corner.
garmonboezia
>
> "Thomas Reynolds" <trey...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:ad7a9af4.03032...@posting.google.com...
>
I find it interesting that Robert McNamara, former Secretary of Defense
under LBJ, is one of the loudest voices against this current war.
"Good intentions are no substitute for knowing how to operate a chainsaw."
Robert A Heinlein"
Mark Hickey
>"Towelhead" would be best described as a cultural slur.
>
>It might be an ethnic slur, although it applies to multiple ethnic groups,
>so it isn't really a good ethnic slur.
>Sikhs, for example, have an impressive amount of fabric arrayed on the head,
>but are neither Arab nor Muslim. (They don't live in the Middle East,
>either, as a rule.)
I've seen some bath product commercials on TV where attractive female
"towel heads" are displayed. Hubba hubba. ;-)
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame
Rico
news:27bc6c79.03032...@posting.google.com...
> So many protesting the "killing of
> babies" in Iraq while abortions are
> performed just around the corner.
Now if you can just tie in gun control and Nazis you'll have
the netnews trifecta.
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war22.html
Ken [NY)
<ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> ejaculated:
>> >> | Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
>> >
>> >Being a racist does not make this a better country.
>>
>> Arabs are a race? I thought it was an ethnicity. Like French.
>> http://www.francestinks.com/
>
>It's generally considered to be a culture, for which the most common
>religion is Islam. However, there are also Christian Arabs and a few
>Jewish Arabs. The Jews of the old testament were of Arab culture as
>well. The Arabs have had many conflicts with the Persian culture in
>Iran. That was the major reason for the Iran/Iraq war back in the 80's.
My point was that Arabs are not a race. They, like the Jews,
are Semitics, which is a race. Calling someone a towl head is not
racist then.
Ken [NY)
ejaculated:
The US gets most of its oil from... gasp.... Canada. Better
keep your mounties on the border, watching for us.
smokey
i do support our troops, i wore my stars and stripes cycling cap
yesterday. many drivers gave me the thumbs up as they passed me
because they share the same sentiment. hopefully, our brave young men
and women will all be home soon, back to their families and loved
ones. we have a grandson that just enlisted in the army and we are
very proud of him. i also hope that civilian casualties can be held to
a minimum, the iraqui people have suffered more than anyone else
because of hussein. but i still think going to war was a bad move. it
will undoubtably result in more terrorism both here and abroad.
smokey strodtman
one of the six billion
>
> These are the same people who protest *for* a womans right to an
> abortion. Now they're concerned for babies.
So people who advocate killing born developed innocent babies, children and
adults but adamantly want to disallow abortions of fetus's less developed
than the chickens they eat make sense to you?
Chuck Anderson
bait.
These aren't normal rec.b.rides participants.
Hmmmmm. Must be rec.b.soc.
So [please; quit cross-posting this irrelevant (to rec.rides) drivel in here!
Please delete rec.bicycles.rides from the newsgroups being posted, too.
There are plenty other places where you can flail away at this crap.
--
**********************************************
Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO
http://www.CycleTourist.com
Tolerance is recognizing that other people have different ideals
and needs than you. Compromise is acting on that knowledge.
***********************************************************
len
> Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
>
> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
let me say PACK SAND UP YOUR ASS.
Garrison Hilliard
"len" <len...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>"Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
>news:fvkn7v09q5kdcirjq...@4ax.com...
>>
>> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
>
Say what you maybut remember... RIDE THAT BIKE AND SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!
R.White
I'll make you a deal. You show me chicken eggs that people buy in grocery
stores to eat that look like this:
http://www.uklifeleague.com/photo2.htm
and I'll kiss your bare ass on any public street you choose.
Frank Krygowski
>
> i do support our troops, i wore my stars and stripes cycling cap
> yesterday. many drivers gave me the thumbs up as they passed me
> because they share the same sentiment. hopefully, our brave young men
> and women will all be home soon, back to their families and loved
> ones. we have a grandson that just enlisted in the army and we are
> very proud of him. i also hope that civilian casualties can be held to
> a minimum, the iraqui people have suffered more than anyone else
> because of hussein. but i still think going to war was a bad move. it
> will undoubtably result in more terrorism both here and abroad.
> smokey strodtman
Well said, Smokey. Our family feels exactly the same, with regard to
our nephew in the service.
It dismays me that so many people think one must be against our troops
if one is against this war. The two ideas are not connected, and that
should be obvious.
--
Frank Krygowski frkr...@cc.ysu.edu
Garrison Hilliard
Frank Krygowski <frkr...@cc.ysu.edu> wrote:
>It dismays me that so many people think one must be against our troops
>if one is against this war. The two ideas are not connected, and that
>should be obvious.
Havr you asked the troops what they thought about that?
"Those protesters... they're morons! Thet're idiots! They have no clue about this war!"
Y. Sgt. Williams, 7th Calvary, as reported on ABC news Monday night.
Raptor
I didn't write it down, but one of the pilots CNN interviewed made it
clear that he wasn't convinced of the justification for the war, but was
serving as the professional he is. Trust me, the people fighting over
there are not all dumb, and they are not all extreme nationalists.
They need our support nonetheless, no matter how far we think Shrub has
his head up his ass.
--
--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect
our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security."
--Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.
Raptor
If you put it that way, I'll ride my bike under those terms. (I'll ride
it regardless.) But if you think by riding my bike I express support
for this war, then I'm less likely to ride.
B. Sanders
>
> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
REMEMBER: EVERY TROLL IS UNWELCOME AND SHOULD GET A LIFE.
B. Sanders
news:lu4p7v0mfm04eubgf...@4ax.com...
> ejaculated:
>
> >I GIVE UP.......... LETS INVADE IRAQ AND TAKE ALL THE OIL AND KILL
EVERYONE
> >AND THEN WE CAN WATCH IT ON TV.
>
> Not a bad idea. I am trying to figure whether there are any
> downsides to it.
Well, no, not really if you don't mind millions of Muslims vowing to destroy
the USA and all that it stands for, and willing to achieve martyrdom in
their holy cause. Other than that, there's not much downside. Oh, well,
and it will be pretty expensive. And a bunch of US soldiers will die, not
to mention hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Iraqis. But, hey,
what does that matter - you'll have oil a-plenty for building all the
plastic whales and Disney theme parks and powerin' the family SUV to drive
clear a cross the US to see 'em.
Sweeet deal, huh? Makes pretty good TV too!
-Barry
Curtis L. Russell
in a democracy or republic sees an action as equivalent to murder, they must
protest. When else would they? Yet neither side can understand the
intransigency of the other when it is their idea of murder.
It is absurd to expect a peace protester that believes that war or a war is
equivalent to murder to not protest. Just as it is absurd to think that
someone that believes that abortion is also murder. It would be a much
poorer country if everyone stood aside for what they saw as murder and did
nothing. Even when I disagree, I would think less of a person if they did
nothing.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
Ken [NY)
<bsand...@insightbb.com> ranted:
If you are trying to say that the war to disarm Iraq is being
waged so the US can get more oil, what about when we had Iraq on their
knees in 1991, and guess what we did with their oil? We let them keep
it.
And if we wanted their oil, why wouldn't we just remove all
sanctions and buy it from them for a lot less money than waging a war?
We get all the oil we need now from our biggest supplier to
our north, Canada. And if we wanted to drill for our own, we could do
so at any time in Alaska and offshore.
Here is one big reason why we really are at war:
A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with
Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with
14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government
minders present.
Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of
the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of
the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide
if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes
demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny.
They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the
world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick
sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as
people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they
could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."
source: UPI
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-023627-5923r
And here is another reason:
Huge Suspected Chemical Weapons Plant Found in Iraq
Monday, March 24, 2003
Coalition forces discovered Monday a "huge" suspected chemical weapons
factory near the Iraqi city of Najaf, some 90 miles south of Baghdad,
a senior Pentagon official confirmed to Fox News.
Coalition troops are holding two Iraqi generals said to be in charge
of the facility. Defense officials told Fox News that the officers are
providing "good information" that could be crucial to searching out
and dismantling Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program.
And a third reason:
First, a few links from The Observer (uk), NY Times and PBS:
http://www.observer.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,591439,00.html
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9B01EED81E39F93BA35752C1A9679C8B63
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html
And from Aviation Week & Space Technology:
Iraq's Tie to Al-Qaeda Terrorists, Airline Hijackings
From: Aviation Week & Space Technology
Headline: Satellite Photos Believed To Show Airliner for Training
Hijackers
Byline: Michael A. Dornheim
Dateline: Los Angeles, January 7, 2002
Satellite images of a facility near Baghdad show an airliner that
Iraqi defectors say is used to train terrorists in the art of
hijacking.Space Imaging, which operates the Ikonos civilian
surveillance satellite, was prompted to look for the aircraft in
existing photos after a ''Frontline'' television show interviewed two
Iraqi defectors who described the hijacker training and the aircraft
used for the mock attacks.
One of them drew a map of the Salman Pak training area, and Space
Imaging was able to find the facility and the aircraft in photographs
taken on Apr. 25, 2000, of an area about 15 mi. southeast of Baghdad
on the Tigris River. The zoomed-in photograph is a close match to the
hand-drawn map, lending credence to the defector's story. He is Sabah
Khodada, and said he worked at the secret Salman Pak complex for about
six months as an administrator. The facility is run by the Iraqi
secret service, and is used to teach assassination, kidnapping,
hijacking of airplanes, buses and trains and other terrorist
operations, Khodada said. ''This camp is specialized in exporting
terrorism to the whole world.''
Foreigners were trained separately from Iraqis, both Khodada and the
other defector said.The aircraft is sitting by itself far from an
airport. ''In this camp, I saw [people] getting trained [in]
situations where security will not allow you to get weapons into the
plane - then what you need to do is to use...very advanced terrorizing
methods,'' Khodada said on the television show.''They are even trained
how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the
plane....
They are trained how to plant horror within the passengers by doing
such actions. Even pens and pencils can be used for that purpose. They
can do it, and they can overcome any plane because they are very well
physically trained, and they are very strong. They can overtake a
plane in a very efficient manner. ''Training will include the way they
would sit in the plane, how they enter the plane.... They will, for
example, sit in twos, and they will assign who will sit to the right
of the other guy, and who will sit to the other side. Two will sit in
the front, two will sit in the back and two will sit, for example, in
the middle. They are trained to jump all at one time, and make a
declaration that 'We are going to take over the plane. And nobody
[move], don't move, don't make any moves.'''
They will probably use a pencil or a pen, or even sunglasses or
prescription glasses. Somebody will hold the crew members of the plane
from their chins upward tightly, and you will pull it on his neck. He
will think you are going to slaughter him and kill him. Including in
this training is terrorizing by making very, very loud noises and
screaming all over the plane. That will [create] the planned horror,
and will terrorize the plane, including the crew.'
"The aircraft was also used to practice fighting a hijacking, Khodada
said. He called it a Boeing 707, but the position of the wing on the
fuselage better fits an aft-engined aircraft.The camp was visited by
United Nations inspectors on a holiday in January 1995. The inspectors
''went all the way inside the camp,'' Khodada said. ''They saw the
plane, they saw the train, and they didn't care anything about it,
because [the commanders] told the United Nations, 'This is a camp to
train police, antiriot police.'''
Khodada said he was sure the Sept. 11 attacks involved Iraqi training
because Osama bin Laden was not capable of such a high-level
operation. ''These kind of attacks must be, and have to be, organized
by a capable state, such as Iraq,'' he said. ''Even the grouping;
those groups were divided into 5-6 people in the group. How about the
training on planes? Some of these groups were taken and trained to
drive airplanes at the School of Aviation, north of Baghdad....
Everything coincides with what's happening.''
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
____________________________________
A reminder: Why we are fighting:
http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/AmericaAttacked.htm
bosaci
"Curtis L. Russell" <sagw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:G7mdna2ehrg...@giganews.com...
On TV last night several Viet Nam "vets" were protesting the war and they
showed a picture of one "Marine" Viet Nam vet saluting the Wall.
This guy was so obviously not a vet but a phony, to be taken in by that sort
of thing is immoral and dumb.
How do I know that he was a phony? First of all he was dressed in an E6's
uniform, with civilian pants and shirt! He probably got the jacket as
Army/Navy surplus or at Goodwill.
He was shown saluting, with his hand held over his eyebrow like he was
shading his eye from the sun.
No Marine has ever or will ever salute in that manner.
The fools that try to pass themselves off as veterans should be herded up
and put on the Iraqi front line.
>
>
R.White
> "R.White" <bic...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:27bc6c79.03032...@posting.google.com...
>
> > So many protesting the "killing of
> > babies" in Iraq while abortions are
> > performed just around the corner.
>
>
> Now if you can just tie in gun control and Nazis you'll have
> the netnews trifecta.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who participate in the
protest dujour.
Brian D. Nelson
news:fvkn7v09q5kdcirjq...@4ax.com...
> Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
>
> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
Which major companies import Middle Eastern oil (for the period
9/1/00 -8/31/01)>
Shell............................205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil................130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels
Amoco.........................62,231,000 barrels
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo....................0 barrels
Sunoco............. .0 barrels
Conoco............. ..0 barrels
Sinclair............... 0 barrels
BP/Phillips.......... 0 barrels
Hess...................0 barrels
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are
importing.
--
Tight Lines!
Brian D. Nelson
Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana
www.diamondnoutfitters.com
br...@diamondnoutfitters.com
Robert Haston
have shot 'em all!
My 77 year old father (a combat veteran) and my sister (a 20 year veteran)
were at the rally in KC last weekend.
You wouldn't have the guts to tell either one to their face they were
pro-Saddam.
"Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in message
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> "Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
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> | Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
> |
> | REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
>
> There is a pro-war rally in St Paul at the MN state capitol
> tomorrow(1200-1400 if your in town).
Garrison Hilliard
> Garrison Hilliard wrote:
> > "len" <len...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>"Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>>Let's show the Arabs we don't need their oil!
> >>>
> >>>REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
>
> >
>
> If you put it that way, I'll ride my bike under those terms. (I'll ride
> it regardless.) But if you think by riding my bike I express support
> for this war, then I'm less likely to ride.
Actions speak louder than words, Lynn... now get on that bike
and support the action in Iraq by demonstrating to the Arabs we
don't need to be petroleum dependent!
Mark Hickey
>"Garrison Hilliard" <afn0...@afn.org> wrote in message
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>> Let's show the towelheads we don't need their oil!
>>
>> REMEMBER: EVERY PERSON ON A BIKE IS SUPPORT FOR THE WAR!
I wouldn't go that far, but every person on a bike is a vote against
dependence on oil, which IS a very, very good thing.
>Which major companies import Middle Eastern oil (for the period
>9/1/00 -8/31/01)>
The data below is bogus. All of the companies source at least some of
their oil from the middle / near east, and not in the ratios suggested
below.
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame
>Shell............................205,742,000 barrels
Brian D. Nelson
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> The data below is bogus. All of the companies source at least some of
> their oil from the middle / near east, and not in the ratios suggested
> below.
The data I listed was old (from 9/1/00 -8/31/01). Here's the latest from the
DOE:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level
_imports/current/summary2002.html
The second column lists imports from the Persian Gulf (Persian Gulf includes
= Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab
Emirates.). Not every company imports oil from the middle east.
B. Sanders
Yes, and there are Americans who would probably tell you that they're
planning to leave the US because they're disgusted with its policies, and
tired of apologizing for its president. Within any country you can find a
myriad of opinions, can't you?
> And here is another reason:
>
> Huge Suspected Chemical Weapons Plant Found in Iraq
> Monday, March 24, 2003
>
> Coalition forces discovered Monday a "huge" suspected chemical weapons
> factory near the Iraqi city of Najaf, some 90 miles south of Baghdad,
> a senior Pentagon official confirmed to Fox News.
I'll wait for some strong confirmation on this. I do seem to recall the US
blowing up a "suspected chemical weapons facility" in Iraq a few years ago.
It turned out to be an aspirin factory; but we got to kill a few dozen
Iraqis in the bargain. Yeee haw.
> And from Aviation Week & Space Technology:
HUGELY in bed with the Bush Administration, don't you agree? Who are
AAW&ST's biggest readers? Employees of defense contractors, of course. They
need to manufacture some reasons to be at war, now don't they? Hmm. I
wonder if they have any vested interest in finding a smoking gun?...
> Iraq's Tie to Al-Qaeda Terrorists, Airline Hijackings
> From: Aviation Week & Space Technology
> Headline: Satellite Photos Believed To Show Airliner for Training
> Hijackers
Again, I'll wait for some confirmation on this. The entire story hinges
around allegations by one defector, and little else. Nice try, but not
quite good enough. I attended a speech a few months ago given by former
chief weapons inspector Scott Ritter. His insider information on the
inspection process, and his conclusions regarding the likelihood of the
existence of WMD's in Iraq were quite compelling. His speech wasn't
filtered through the standard propaganda channels, either. There is a
shipload of jingoistic propaganda spewing forth from the US. You really
need to watch your sources at a time like this.
Look, I'm not saying the Saddam's Baath regime is good. Heck no. They're
bastards. But already we're seeing what the anti-war folks expected: lots
of collateral damage (read: dead women and children, destroyed homes, etc)
The fact remains that regardless of suspected "smoking guns," the US
coalition's aggression (don't call it a war) against Iraq is not being
received well by Iraqis. I'm siding with the historians and political
analysts who all agree that the war is likely to greatly *increase* the
amount of terrorism worldwide, especially aimed at the US and its citizens
for the forseeable future.
Now *that* is what I call a downside. Our only hope now is that the
coalition forces use great care and precisely extract the Baath regime from
Iraq. I hope for an early end to the war, and a minimum of coalition and
Iraqi casualties. That's the best we can hope for now. I have relatives
fighting in Iraq, and I support them fully. May they conduct themselves
professionally and get themselves home quickly and safely.
I'll forever regret Bush's hasty decision to invade Iraq. I do not support
his presidency as legitimate, nor his leadership as competent. I'm not
alone on this by a long stretch.
-Barry
Ken [NY)
<br...@diamondnoutfitters.com> ranted:
>"Mark Hickey" <ma...@habcycles.com> wrote in message
>news:4uq08v04akah0jhco...@4ax.com...
>> The data below is bogus. All of the companies source at least some of
>> their oil from the middle / near east, and not in the ratios suggested
>> below.
>
>The data I listed was old (from 9/1/00 -8/31/01). Here's the latest from the
>DOE:
>http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level
>_imports/current/summary2002.html
>
>The second column lists imports from the Persian Gulf (Persian Gulf includes
>= Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab
>Emirates.). Not every company imports oil from the middle east.
>--
Thanks, Brian. I was looking for days for something like that.
Regards,
Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
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Jack Kessler
You and the marching many in the streets are the very ones that the folk
leading the movement, International ANSWER and Not In Our Name, refer to as
"useful idiots". Their theory is that wars will end when they overthrow all
the capitalist governments and establish revolutionary socialism in the
United States and Europe. Like that's going to happen. Like socialism
hasn't been tried everywhere from Sweden to Mozambique and in every possible
form from British Labour under Wilson to North Korean gonzoism under Kim
Jong Il. It has been tried and tried and tried, and it has been abandoned
everywhere, usually by the very people who instituted it.
Clanging that long-since broken bell is a fool's errand, yet that is what
the "peace" movement is about. And they have been able to recruit hundreds
of thousand of fools to help them go on the errand without even telling the
fools what errand they are on.
But actually examining the actual purposes of the movement you are
participating in might, to quote you, " hurt your brain trying to figure out
all
> > this complicated politics stuff"
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> > "Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in
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> > > I mistakenly used the term "Anti-American"
> > > to describe the protests; More accurately
> > > it would describe many of the current group
> > > of protesters who basically drift from one
> > > cause to the next, be it animal rights,
> > > world trade, welfare rights, etc, etc.
> > > whatever anarchical cause that floats their
> > > way.
> >
> > Yes, it does take at least two brain cells to rub together to
> > see how these issues are connected. (Calling it anarchy is a code
> > word for saying, Boy, it hurts my "brain trying to figure out all
> > this complicated politics stuff".)
> >
> > > Do you really think the American service
> > > men and women in the dessert feel
> > > 'supported' when they see the 'Stop the
> > > baby killing' signs?
> >
> > Perhaps it will encourage them to stop killing those babies.
> > (See how that works?)
Jack Kessler
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> | "Edward Dike, III" <edd3remov...@qwestion.net> wrote in message
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> | > Do you really think the American service men and women in the dessert
> feel
> |
> | better to be in the dessert than other types of sticky stuff
> |
> That is not what I wrote.
> If you can't post accurately, then don't post at all.
> ED3
>
>
>
Edward Dike, III
"Jack Kessler" <Californi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| I am with you Ed. You probably do have about two brain cells.
|
| You and the marching many in the streets are the very ones that the folk
| leading the movement, International ANSWER and Not In Our Name, refer to
as
| "useful idiots". Their theory is that wars will end when they overthrow
all
| the capitalist governments and establish revolutionary socialism in the
| United States and Europe. Like that's going to happen. Like socialism
| hasn't been tried everywhere from Sweden to Mozambique and in every
possible
| form from British Labour under Wilson to North Korean gonzoism under Kim
| Jong Il. It has been tried and tried and tried, and it has been abandoned
| everywhere, usually by the very people who instituted it.
|
| Clanging that long-since broken bell is a fool's errand, yet that is what
| the "peace" movement is about. And they have been able to recruit
hundreds
| of thousand of fools to help them go on the errand without even telling
the
| fools what errand they are on.
|
| But actually examining the actual purposes of the movement you are
| participating in might, to quote you, " hurt your brain trying to figure
out
| all
| > > this complicated politics stuff"
|
|
accuracy and origination of the quotes and attributions you infer to me.
Neither they, nor the political philosophy you decry are mine.
ED3
Frank Krygowski
>
> Ah, Mr. Kessler, you might want to(I certainly wish you would) check the
> accuracy and origination of the quotes and attributions you infer to me.
> Neither they, nor the political philosophy you decry are mine.
> ED3
We can go even further. Most of what Kessler says rebuts ideas that
have never been posted here, AFAIK.
It's an old technique, Jack. Attribute the most extreme views to all
your opponents, by whatever vague associations necessary. Then knock
down the extreme views you yourself stated. The dimmer people reading
your posts will think you've said something worthwhile. Hell, you may
think that yourself - depending, of course, on how bright you really
are.
Fact is, Jack, I'm not a pacifist. I'm not a socialist. I don't expect
universal peace through the the imposition of socialism. In fact, I've
never taken part in a political protest until this invasion was
imminent.
I'm merely a guy who thinks this thing is a major, major mistake - and
one which was made under false pretenses.
IOW, _I'm_ not the fool ringing some bell about socialism.
--
Frank Krygowski frkr...@cc.ysu.edu