VO 2.7 pricing
Stefano
TSDing
I have placed my order.
Hopefully it could be earlier than Nov <g>
Regards
TSDing
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Dave Francis
This is make or break for VO and I'd rather wait till Jan and have it good
and clean. We could tolerate some raggedness when the product was breaking
new ground, but this has to be a new foundation and has to be rock-solid. I
thnk Bryan knows that.
But I'm keeping the faith and I'll be ordering over the weekend...<G>
Dave Francis
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Brian
> This is make or break for VO and I'd rather wait till Jan and have it good
> and clean. We could tolerate some raggedness when the product was breaking
> new ground, but this has to be a new foundation and has to be rock-solid.
> I thnk Bryan knows that.
Brian knows this. I had a long talk with him about this issue.<g>
> But I'm keeping the faith and I'll be ordering over the weekend...<G>
Thanks for your support.
Brian
GrafX
RPSoftware
So you limit your marketing to VO ng only? Other VO users who do not visit
this NG (which I pity them) and ususal visitor of grafxsoft got no clue VO
2.7 is on the making.
Well, you know what you are doing. What would be the marketing strategy
for 2.7 then, if you do not mind me asking? I have found a new partner--and
he is VO 2.0 user ordered from zac. I reccomend him to move to 2.7 if he
want to join me. But he does know 2.7, neither 2.6. He is still on clipper
and few apps on VO 2.0 BUt he is convince to move to 2.7 when released.
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RPSoftware
Philippines
www.rpsoftware.cdo.ph
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TSDing
Yes, I would agree with you that VO should be released when it is
rock-solid... perhaps more testers might be required to make this process
faster and better.
Brian, what is the procedure to become a VO beta tester ?
Regards
TSDing
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> this NG (which I pity them) and ususal visitor of grafxsoft got no clue VO
> 2.7 is on the making.
Yes, I agree with you. GrafX must increase his marketing about VO mainly in
order to increase the number of developers that use it. Only therefore we
will exit from our golden ghetto and will be able to count on a greater
number of third parts products, libraries, magazines, books etc etc.
Best regards.
Roberto cordini
Dave Francis
I think there's a long way to go before the big push on VO.
2.6 was the price we paid to break development out of CA's control.
2.7 is the price of fixing years of neglect.
3.0 should be the product that can compete with the best of the rest. I
think you'd be wasting your money and energy to try and broaden the market
before that point. [That's assuming the current market is big enough to fund
3.0]
but then, what do I know??
Dave Francis
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Geoff Schaller
I suspect you're right. With some of our numbers "deserting" for .net
already, it is that market space that will be the most competitive for us.
VO 2.7 puts the product back on track for us, the existing users but it
doesn't provide any competive edge over any other product. Its too hard to
espouse the benefits of our IDE when its not as pretty as most others -
despite its productivity advantages. I think it is VO 3.0 that will make or
break the product.
Geoff
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RPSoftware
Well, I agree but I understand www.cavo.com and grafxsoft should put
something about 2.7 though. It seems it is a lot top secret its marketing
though.
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Rene J. Pajaron
RPSoftware
Philippines
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Marc Verkade [Marti BV]
Grtz, Marc
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Dave Francis
I didn't read your post properly - sure Bryan (when will he learn to spell
his name correctly? <g>) should have something on the website - he should,
and I'm sure will, maximise the existing VO market. I was simply saying that
marketing to non-VOers would probably be a waste of money at the moment.
It's important to keep the existing user base as strong as possible.
Dave Francis
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RPSoftware
www.cavo.com is place to start. Try to search CAVO 2.7 on google and tell
me how many hits!
I am not so keen on glossy mags cover or back, just simple and straight info
about the new VO.
Well, my company is on the same boat--we are building a new marketing
strategy as well. Of course, Brian's problems is diff. from me--but we have
the same hurdles--the marketing.
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Rene J. Pajaron
RPSoftware
Philippines
www.rpsoftware.cdo.ph
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John P. Marshall
Of course, 2.7 isn't released yet...
Regards,
John
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RPSoftware
something about it.
Look at MS, Borland--they always trumpet what is yet to come, which
something never did!
At least 2.7 is near reality--it is better to get a head start.
OK, this is just my opinion. Just my partner is not getting info about this
for he is not VO ng regular. But aware VO 2.0 but never anything else. Is
he getting a wrong signal? Or are we insterested to beat up 2.0 users or
Clipper to 2.7 bandwagon? I hope so.
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Rene J. Pajaron
RPSoftware
Philippines
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Jan Waiz
>>I think it is VO 3.0 that will make or break the product.<<
and the Chances for a "make" grow up with every Month it will came later. I
did not make the Step to 2.6. To much Stuff was told in the last Time about
the Go or Not-Go of VO. Of course - i will step to 2.7, because i have
different Projects developed with VOand i have to support them. But i think
that i did not make any new Projects with VO.
2.7 is the Product we need 1 or 2 Years ago - and 3.0 must come latest next
Year. Otherwise the .NET-Locomotive is to far away and to many Developers
are switched to the MS-Visual Studio - as me :-)
I hope, Brian will find the Power for a good Marketing.
Anyhow - lets wait what happens and if 2.7 is so good as descriped. I think
the Price is fair enough for the hard Work Brian and his Team have done.
Regards
Jan Waiz
Geoff Schaller
I don't agree. There wer many serious improvements in 2.6 so it doesn't make
sense to hold back on that score. The down sides were minor and can be
worked around. No version is ever going to be perfect so you shold still
upgrade to 2.6 even now.
Geoff
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Mark Chimes
Will your company be handling the Aussie orders again?
cheers,
Mark
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Drs. D.J.W. van Kooten
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>I agree... Easy to do and would capture some of the non-NG members of VO....
>> Well, I agree but I understand www.cavo.com and grafxsoft should put
>> something about 2.7 though.
Yes...Brian, I know you have 10000 things to do, but please, give it a
day or so to put the full list of bugs fixes AND the Top ten list
(done/planned/not done) on the web site. Opening several repo a time
is nice (altough it means that I need an extra click to get started -
that's about 500 clicks a year...) , XP looks are already less nice
<g> but what I am waiting for (except your wise decision to invest in
stability and speed) are other things.
Make us enthousiastic by publising those!
Dick van Kooten
paulus
for educational institutions; i.e. colleges, universities, etc. They
will then train students and the students will either be using the
software out in the workforce or recommending it.
Another way is, of course, good developer, and user, documentation.
I've seen several emails here that once a user purchases VO, they
don't know where to start. Sandy Hood's book is good, but it's not
up-to-date. Sure you can say that it's enough to start on but for
someone new to the language it's a lesson in frustration when the book
you're using doesn't match what you have on your desktop. Actually I
believe Sandy's book is the only one available for VO 2.5.
My .02 :-)
Brian
Well, I agree but I understand www.cavo.com and grafxsoft should put
> >> something about 2.7 though.
http://www.cavo.com now has a link to the 2.7 preorder page
> Yes...Brian, I know you have 10000 things to do,
Wow, I'm impressed, someone is thinking of what it must be like to be me<g>
> but please, give it a day or so to put the full list of bugs fixes
We are working on it. With in a few days you will have this.
AND the Top ten list (done/planned/not done) on the web site.
O.K. that makes 10,001
> Opening several repo a time is nice (altough it means that I
> need an extra click to get started that's about 500 clicks a year...)
I think you will really like this feature once you start using it.
> but what I am waiting for (except your wise decision to invest in
> stability and speed) are other things.
It's a pitty these things are so difficult to market. I see them as
the most important features..
Brian
Marc Verkade [Marti BV]
Information.. .Information....
Keywords in this world....
Grtz, Marc
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Brian
> One way of spreading the news to the world is to have special pricing
> for educational institutions; i.e. colleges, universities, etc. They
> will then train students and the students will either be using the
> software out in the workforce or recommending it.
Already in place.
> Another way is, of course, good developer, and user, documentation.
> I've seen several emails here that once a user purchases VO, they
> don't know where to start. Sandy Hood's book is good, but it's not
> up-to-date. Sure you can say that it's enough to start on but for
> someone new to the language it's a lesson in frustration when the book
> you're using doesn't match what you have on your desktop. Actually I
> believe Sandy's book is the only one available for VO 2.5.
Excellent point. Recognizing this, is the first step to correcting the
problem.
Brian
Marc Verkade [Marti BV]
Thank you!
Grtz, Marc
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Stephane Hebert
Now that was deep <g> ... and you are suggesting ???
Steph
Guenther Stiewi
<sgtp...@bootcamp.com> wrote:
>Now that was deep <g> ... and you are suggesting ???
That you write the darn book, meguesses :-))
Stephen Quinn
According to the email he sent out - yes.
Now ask him why your not on his list<g>
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HTH
Steve Quinn
Denis Mitrofanov
> I don't agree. There wer many serious improvements in 2.6 so it doesn't
make
> sense to hold back on that score. The down sides were minor and can be
> worked around. No version is ever going to be perfect so you shold still
> upgrade to 2.6 even now.
I think this is wrong... What was changed/lost IMHO in VO2.6 (in comparison
with 2.5b3)?:
1. Correct default parameters processing in methods is lost
2. Internal mechanism to call a methods seems to be significantly changed,
but if you'll look at produced by VO2.6 disassembled code you'll see that
this is not completed
3. Class VMT can be suddenly destroyed during program execution
4. Repository can be easily crashed with several Export/Delete actions
(somewhat very annoying)
5. Primitive bugs added and left into GUI library (like one with ToolBar
update count)
But I don't saw improvements related to compiler, for example... Generated
code is the same ugly as it was.
So my recommendation is to stay on 2.5b3 until 2.7.
Denis
Terje Barman
Geoff,
Try this in 2.5 and 2.6
function Start()
if One() .And. Two() .And. Three()
-- Do something...
endif
WAIT
function One()as logic pascal
local lRet as logic
lRet := true
? ProcName(0),lRet
return lRet
function Two()as logic pascal
local lRet as logic
lRet := false
? ProcName(0),lRet
return lRet
function Three()as logic pascal
local lRet as logic
lRet := true
? ProcName(0),lRet
return lRet
This behaviour in 2.6 can make applications which run fine in 2.5 to crash
in 2.6.
Terje
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Geoff Schaller
Most of what you mention was a problem in 2.5 and is no worse in 2.6,
especially the repo problems - in fact, the repo is better in 2.6 - but
there was quite a long list of improvements. I'll let you look it up! But
all our major commercial apps are now in 2.6 and they are doing fine. You
overstate the problems and I think, misplace your caution.
Geoff
Geoff Schaller
I just rebuilt my lapop and converted from OE to Outlook 2003 and I don't
think all my lists made it across properly.
Geoff
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Denis Mitrofanov
> Most of what you mention was a problem in 2.5 and is no worse in 2.6,
What?
1. Default values works fine in 2.5 and does not work in 2.6
2. Repo is crashing after several Import/Export in 2.6 not in 2.5 (I have
worked with 2.5 almost 2 years)
3. Class VMT is destroyed in 2.6 not in 2.5, it is working fine in 2.5
4. ToolBar works fine in 2.5 and has bug in 2.6 related to update count (was
many times in this NG)
No one of above was a problem in 2.5 even from 2.5a1...
Denis
Jon Justin
We ordered our 2.6 upgrades direct, long before you announced the Oz
distribution. Can you add us to your list for 2.7 please.
jon at harmonysoftware dot com dot au
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"Geoff Schaller" <geo...@softwareXXobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
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Geoff Schaller
> 1. Default values works fine in 2.5 and does not work in 2.6
Sorry, don't have any problems with them. Never did.
> 2. Repo is crashing after several Import/Export in 2.6 not in 2.5 (I have
> worked with 2.5 almost 2 years)
Reinstall your VO. I have roughly the same instabilities in this area as
with 2.5 but some features (the led's etc) are better.
> 3. Class VMT is destroyed in 2.6 not in 2.5, it is working fine in 2.5
Huh? Do I have to RTFM again <g>. Never heard of this class....
> 4. ToolBar works fine in 2.5 and has bug in 2.6 related to update count
(was
> many times in this NG)
But this is such a minor thing so easily fixed.
Me thinks you doth protest too much.
Geoff
Geoff Schaller
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Malcolm Gray
>> 3. Class VMT is destroyed in 2.6 not in 2.5, it is working
>> fine in 2.5
>
> Huh? Do I have to RTFM again <g>. Never heard of this class....
From memory of previous postings the class Virtual Method Table
(the list of method pointers associated with the this instance of a
class)
Denis Mitrofanov
> Me thinks you doth protest too much.
All of those things are takes a lot of time to convert to 2.6 and actually
somewhat critical for me. I don't protest, I just talk about bugs/issues in
VO 2.6 I am actually faced with. And in fact they does not exists in VO
2.5b3.
I don't digging for bugs in VO specially, I have a lot of another things to
do.
I like VO language and approach (moreover after two years with Delphi <g>)
and consider this tool for future development.
Denis
Marc Verkade [Marti BV]
I hope you give VO 2.7 the time and opportunity to prove itself...
Grtz, and thanx for al your good work!
Grtz, Marc
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