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Michael Collins

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Dec 3, 2002, 5:03:54 PM12/3/02
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I appologize for this, it's my second neophyte question in as many months, but
I'm curious about the structure of the Parrot development organization.

The principal coders, do they work on this project full-time?

And is there any source of funding for this project?

Is there any formal structure to this organization?

The website states that Dan Sugalski is the principal designer but there seem
to be many coders who contribute significantly.

How did the principal coders receive their designation?

What role does Larry Wall play at this point?

Sorry for asking the seemingly obvious, but I'd like to gain as a clear picture
as I can. Hopefully I can contribute something useful soon!

Thanks!
Michael W. Collins

Nicholas Clark

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Dec 3, 2002, 5:24:33 PM12/3/02
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On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 05:09:43PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote:
> At 5:03 PM -0500 12/3/02, Michael Collins wrote:
> >The principal coders, do they work on this project full-time?
>
> Not for pay, no. I'm not sure anyone works on it full-time, though I
> may come closest.

The perl foundation was able to provide some grants towards work on this
project and perl6. However, fund raising wasn't sufficient to keep grants
going full time.

> >And is there any source of funding for this project?
>

> Nope.

Well, the perl foundation gave grants based on the cash pledges it received
(via http://www.perlfoundation.org/index.cgi?page=contrib )


> >The website states that Dan Sugalski is the principal designer but there seem
> >to be many coders who contribute significantly.
> >
> >How did the principal coders receive their designation?

However, if people not yet involved feel they want to offer to contribute
something to the project, time (working on things that need doing) is more
valuable than money, in my opinion. (Both are nice, but if it's one or the
other, directed time will get things further). My opinion is my opinion -
I'm not anything official on the parrot project, nor am I anything in the
perl foundation.

Nicholas Clark

Dan Sugalski

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Dec 3, 2002, 5:09:43 PM12/3/02
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At 5:03 PM -0500 12/3/02, Michael Collins wrote:
>The principal coders, do they work on this project full-time?

Not for pay, no. I'm not sure anyone works on it full-time, though I
may come closest.

>And is there any source of funding for this project?

Nope.

>Is there any formal structure to this organization?

I delude myself into thinking I'm more or less in charge. At the
moment Steve Fink has the release manager pumpkin. Jeff Goff and
Simon Cozens are pumpking emeritii. Other than that it's pretty
loose, with folks mostly deferring to whoever's done the core work on
whatever piece of the infrastructure you're looking at.

>The website states that Dan Sugalski is the principal designer but there seem
>to be many coders who contribute significantly.
>
>How did the principal coders receive their designation?

They did stuff that didn't suck. It's pretty much a meritocracy.

>What role does Larry Wall play at this point?

None, really, other than defining the language features that we need
to make sure work well.
--
Dan

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Dan Sugalski even samurai
d...@sidhe.org have teddy bears and even
teddy bears get drunk

Jerome Quelin

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Dec 4, 2002, 12:30:54 PM12/4/02
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On Mardi 3 Décembre 2002 23:24, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> The perl foundation was able to provide some grants towards work on
> this project and perl6. However, fund raising wasn't sufficient to
> keep grants going full time.

About two months ago, I asked the perl foundation about the grants, and
Kurt DeMaagd replied:

__BEGIN_ANSWER__
Dan and Damian discontinued their grants, but Larry is still on board.
Larry's grant lasts until the end of the year. We will be doing more
grants, though the exact structure is still to be determined. We may
continue to do large grants like we have in the past. We could choose
to do a greater number of smaller grants. We may end up doing some sort
of combination of the two ideas.
In general, TPF is in a lot better financial shape than the rumor mill
holds. We post an update about a month ago (I think on use.perl), with
an update. But of course communications like that don't seem to spread
as well as rumors.
Kurt
__END_ANSWER__

So, I'm eager to know what will 2003 grants be?

Jerome
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jqu...@mongueurs.net

Dan Sugalski

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Dec 9, 2002, 1:44:23 PM12/9/02
to Jerome Quelin, Nicholas Clark, mcol...@bestweb.net, perl6-i...@perl.org
At 6:30 PM +0100 12/4/02, Jerome Quelin wrote:
>On Mardi 3 Décembre 2002 23:24, Nicholas Clark wrote:
>> The perl foundation was able to provide some grants towards work on
>> this project and perl6. However, fund raising wasn't sufficient to
>> keep grants going full time.
>
>About two months ago, I asked the perl foundation about the grants, and
>Kurt DeMaagd replied:
>
>So, I'm eager to know what will 2003 grants be?

So am I. I'll go nudge.

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