Import/Export mail
Themis Papassilekas
Pity... I thought this was the place to get help, but even tho it seems
others share my problem, nobody could come up with an answer. It's a
pity, really, because -as I said before- this prohibits people from
moving over to a new platform, and I see myself moving back to Outlook,
even though I hate it :(
Kind regards
Themis
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Davamundo
potential new users. Those of us, like me, who migrated from Outlook, to
Eudora, to MozMail, without realizing this, are now kind of trapped !
Luckily, I do prefer the UI, and I have faith that the features I desire
most (palm sync and OE/ Evolution style summary) will, someday, be
implimented. Perhaps another mail client out there holds the key to the
round-trip. Let us know if you find it !
Davamundo
Esther Strom
necessarily want to keep all 3000 messages from a listserv I subscribe
to in my active file, but I don't want to completely lose them, either.
In Outlook, you could archive to a text file, which could then be
reopened if necessary.
Brian Heinrich
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news and loudly proclaimed:
Er, Moz Mail uses mbox format; it already /is/ in a text file format.
/b.
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Brian Heinrich
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news and loudly proclaimed:
> So, it seems there is no way to import Mozilla's mail to Outlook?
> Pity... I thought this was the place to get help, but even tho it
> seems
> others share my problem, nobody could come up with an answer. It's a
> pity, really, because -as I said before- this prohibits people from
> moving over to a new platform, and I see myself moving back to Outlook,
> even though I hate it :(
>
> Kind regards
> Themis
Just out of curiosity, what the /hell/ are you on about? How many e-mail
clients have you encountered that allow you to export to Outlook? There are
certainly some out there that will let you import /from/ Outlook [Express],
but I think people would be hard-pressed to name any that allow you to
export /to/ Outlook [Express].
Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that M$ uses a (presumably
proprietary) binary format, could it?
(That said, if this is such an issue for you, somethink like Mailbag
Assistant might be of help.)
Themis Papassilekas
Brian Heinrich wrote:
> How many
> e-mail clients have you encountered that allow you to export to
> Outlook?
Just out of curiosity, how many decent emailers do you know? So what if
other mailers don't do it -I want my mailer of choice to be able to do
it, and I don't care if other crappy programs cannot. Therefore your
argument is totally irrelevant.
> Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that M$ uses a (presumably
> proprietary) binary format, could it?
So what? This is again irrelevant. The fact that MS use a loatformat to
store email does not mean that Mozilla shouldn't be able to facilitate
our moving over to it. I don't want Mozilla to export mail to MS's
format, just to some format Outlook can import (Communicator 4.x included).
Let me repeat this: a function like that would work *for* Mozilla, not
against it and for Outlook. I want to totally migrate to M, without
having to download messages twice. Mozilla doesn't help me because,
presumably, the format has changed.
> (That said, if this is such an issue for you, somethink like Mailbag
> Assistant might be of help.)
Oh, thanks, I'll try it :)
Garth Wallace
> So, it seems there is no way to import Mozilla's mail to Outlook?
> Pity... I thought this was the place to get help,
It's not. This group is for development. The groups in my signature are
the peer support groups.
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Themis Papassilekas wrote:
> So, it seems there is no way to import Mozilla's mail to Outlook?
> Pity... I thought this was the place to get help, but even tho it seems
> others share my problem, nobody could come up with an answer. It's a
> pity, really, because -as I said before- this prohibits people from
> moving over to a new platform, and I see myself moving back to Outlook,
> even though I hate it :(
>
> Kind regards
> Themis
It's not up to Mozilla to export to Outlook - it's up to Outlook to
import from Mozilla.
That's generally the standard accepted behaviour for an email client.
Themis Papassilekas
> It's not up to Mozilla to export to Outlook - it's up to Outlook to
> import from Mozilla.
> That's generally the standard accepted behaviour for an email client.
(geez) BUT I KNOW THAT! All I'm saying is: since MS programmers can't be
bothered to do it, it would be good for *MOZILLA* to offer such
functionality. PLUS, I DON'T want Outlook-export functions, just an
Outlook-compatible (read: Communicator-compatible?) export option. And
again: it would be good for MOZILLA. Very few people switch emailers if
they can't go back to their old mailer, so not being able to import from
Outlook works *against* Mozilla. The fact that it should be Outlook's
job to correctly import M mailboxes is irrelevant, because Mozilla does
not have the critical mass necessary to force MS to implement such a
feature, like the case was with Communicator.
Best regards
Themis Papassilekas
> It's not. This group is for development. The groups in my signature are
> the peer support groups.
Thanks for the pointers, Garth. The title of the newsgroup *is* a bit
misleading, then, but anyway. In any case, since there seems to be no
easy way to do it, it could be a development issue as well (:
E2rd
> On 27/11/2002 01:40, farcus wrote:
>
>> It's not up to Mozilla to export to Outlook - it's up to Outlook to
>> import from Mozilla.
>> That's generally the standard accepted behaviour for an email client.
>
> since MS programmers can't be bothered to do it,
ROTFL
Why? Are they so busy fixing OE bugs? Or are they the "saint cows"?
> it would be good for *MOZILLA* to offer such functionality.
I don't feel the need :-P
After all, Mozilla uses a standard mbox format to store emails. And, as
Brian mentioned, there are good tools to import/export mails outthere.
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Themis Papassilekas
> ROTFL
> Why? Are they so busy fixing OE bugs? Or are they the "saint cows"?
Damn, it's like I'm talking to walls or something. Did I say OE (and I
wasn't talking about OE, but anyway) is perfect? Or that its programmers
are code-gods or something? This is totally irrelevant. This is NOT a
Outlook vs Mozilla thread, it's a question of winning over users from
Outlook. Like myself. And others.
> > it would be good for *MOZILLA* to offer such functionality.
>
>
> I don't feel the need :-P
*You* don't. Others do.
> And, as Brian mentioned, there are good tools to import/export mails
> outthere.
Well, Mailbag Assistant doesn't seem to be able to cut it from a quick
glance I gave; and it's not your average-user program -more like a power
user tool. *I* may be able to use it, but many people won't. Not to
mention the fact that I'll have to pay $30 -which I won't do, of course.
So we're back to square 0...
Regards
Nancy McGough
> On 27/11/2002 01:40, farcus wrote:
>
> > It's not up to Mozilla to export to Outlook - it's up to Outlook to
> > import from Mozilla.
> > That's generally the standard accepted behaviour for an email client.
>
> (geez) BUT I KNOW THAT! All I'm saying is: since MS programmers can't be
> bothered to do it, it would be good for *MOZILLA* to offer such
> functionality. PLUS, I DON'T want Outlook-export functions, just an
> Outlook-compatible (read: Communicator-compatible?) export option. And
> again: it would be good for MOZILLA. Very few people switch emailers if
> they can't go back to their old mailer, so not being able to import from
> Outlook works *against* Mozilla.
Good point Themis. And the ability to read/process your mailboxes
with both Mozilla and Outlook is already implemented. The way to
do it is to store your mailboxes on an IMAP server and access
them using IMAP. I go into great detail about IMAP and providers
who have IMAP in the IMAP URL in my sig below.
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Themis Papassilekas
> The way to
> do it is to store your mailboxes on an IMAP server and access
> them using IMAP.
...which is a very neat trick, indeed, but not if you got a 150+MB
mailbox and a 56k connection... But it will work for others, indeed.
Best regards
John Appleyard
> On 27/11/2002 15:01, Nancy McGough wrote:
>
>> The way to
>> do it is to store your mailboxes on an IMAP server and access
>> them using IMAP.
>
>
> ...which is a very neat trick, indeed, but not if you got a 150+MB
> mailbox and a 56k connection... But it will work for others, indeed.
>
personal mail a bit (still 10s of MB), and storing it online. Now I can
use Mozilla, OE, Pegasus, Eudora, Opera 7, Webmail or other clients
interchangably from any machine on the Internet. Mozilla and OE both
have options to allow you to work offline as well.
You could even install an IMAP server on your own machine - just to do
the transfer. Mercury (the Pegasus server) is free, or there are demo
versions of commercial servers (e.g. Kerio, Mailtraq) you could use.
The link in Nancy's sig is quite a resource! Well worth reading.
<http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/>
In the UK, gradwell.com do a good IMAP enabled email and hosting account
that satisifes Nancy's criteria (e.g. with Spam Assassin and server side
filtering).
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Brian Heinrich
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news and loudly proclaimed:
> Themis Papassilekas wrote:
>> On 27/11/2002 15:01, Nancy McGough wrote:
>>
>>> The way to
>>> do it is to store your mailboxes on an IMAP server and access
>>> them using IMAP.
>>
>>
>> ...which is a very neat trick, indeed, but not if you got a 150+MB
>> mailbox and a 56k connection... But it will work for others, indeed.
>>
> It is neat. I found it so compelling that I found it worth pruning my
> personal mail a bit (still 10s of MB), and storing it online. Now I can
> use Mozilla, OE, Pegasus, Eudora, Opera 7, Webmail or other clients
> interchangably from any machine on the Internet. Mozilla and OE both
> have options to allow you to work offline as well.
I think there are two issues here: one is to allow Themis to access current
e-mail in the client of her/his choice (sorry, were the name Thetis, I'd
venture a guess, but not as is). That would be addressed by IMAP. I
realised that Moz and OE have off-line/local copy options, but I don't know
about Outlook.
> You could even install an IMAP server on your own machine - just to do
> the transfer. Mercury (the Pegasus server) is free, or there are demo
> versions of commercial servers (e.g. Kerio, Mailtraq) you could use.
Now /that/ is a *great* idea: Rather than worrying about shunting e-mail
from client to client (and neither Moz nor Outlook make this simple), set up
a local IMAP server, which would also, presumably, get rid of the space
limitations of a commercial e-mail service provider: if your archival IMAP
folders are on your local disk, you can access them from the client of your
choice without worrying about bandwidth, &c. And no need to worry about
sending your UID/password it the clear or anything like that. . . .
> The link in Nancy's sig is quite a resource! Well worth reading.
>
> <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/>
Indeed.
> In the UK, gradwell.com do a good IMAP enabled email and hosting account
> that satisifes Nancy's criteria (e.g. with Spam Assassin and server side
> filtering).
Wish my ISP would implement something like that. Wish they'd support secure
connexions as well.
Themis Papassilekas
> You could even install an IMAP server on your own machine -
Just *brilliant*. I didn't know you can do it locally, gonna download
Mercury right away...
> The link in Nancy's sig is quite a resource! Well worth reading.
Indeed, a very complete page, if I ever saw one...
Thanks, mate, I'll try this one and report on the findings...
Themis Papassilekas
> I think there are two issues here: one is to allow Themis to access
> current e-mail in the client of her/his choice
And what is the second issue? :D
Seriously, now, this sounds like a workable solution (if Outlook
supports offline/local copies, dunno about that). However, for Mozilla's
sake, it would be good to offer a solution in itself. You can't tell an
average user to setup an IMAP server just to move your mail between
programs, can you?
Oh, I just realised I have a question -say I install the IMAP server,
how do I move mail from Mozilla to it?
> (sorry, were the name Thetis, I'd venture a guess, but not as is).
Heheh... Well, 'Themis' *was* the name of an ancient Greek goddess, but
is now short for the (also ancient) Themistocles, which is male, as far
as I'm concerned :D
Cheers