my best mothers day ever!
Surfgeotwo
day, although she will reluctantly let me surf or fish on fathers day. but
mothers day? never!
well, the national association of women, infants, and children (WIC)
unexplainedly held their convention in minneapolis this week, starting
yesterday.. now, one has to ask why someone would schedule a convention of
400 mostly females on mothers day. i didnt ask why, because with the wife gone
that opened to door for me and the kids to surf! crowd was very light, due to
so many others having the obligation to stay home and dote on the day's
honerees.
we decided to have a combined mothers/fathers day, and the best part - i
convinced her to make it a floating date, so that we can have on a flat day and
not miss any surf.
surf has become the predominant force in our household, with both kids
thoroughly hooked. we outvote her on almost anything!
my heros are robert e. lee, jesse james, and yassar arafat
"This man <SCR> has a celebrity in a certain way, for his calumnies are to be
exceeded only by his impudence, and both stand unrivaled". George Washington,
1797
FleK the wolf flipper
"Surfgeotwo" <surfg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> my heros are robert e. lee, jesse james, and yassar arafat
>
>
You keep questionable company.
_FleK
Surfgeotwo
>>
>>
>lesseee, a racist, a thief and a terrorist.
re-read your history.
1) robert e. lee was far from racist. he freed his slaves at the onset of war.
general lee fought because of his convictions for virginia.
2) jesse was robbing union trains. that doesnt count. <g>
3)when the little guy has to resort to whatever means necessary to defend
himself against the big guy, we call it "terrorism". i guess the vietnamese
were terrorists, and they whipped our asses.
i guess i should feel honored to be named after the first "terrorist", david.
why, that unscrupulous little bastard had the gall to use a sling and rock and
against a poor unarmed goliath!
those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. it happened with
us against viet nam, and now with israel against the palestinians. george
washington knew he could not defeat the british at their own game. but, he
also knew he didnt have to beat them, he just had to outlast them. all he had
to do was keep his continental army together and keep employing guerrilla
tactics until the mums and dads back in england grew weary of losing their sons
to a weaker foe overseas. sound familiar? it worked.
it also worked for viet nam.
and it will work for the palestinians, eventually. how many decades have
passed with absolutely no resolution over there? arafat is far smarter than
you think. if you were forced out of your homeland by a larger and richer foe,
you would do exactly what he is doing. i know i would.
i am done. believe what you want.
my heros are robert e. lee, jesse james, and yassar arafat
Dan King
news:20020513105203...@mb-cu.aol.com:
> the mrs. is very strict on her holidays. no surfing for us on
> any hallowed day, although she will reluctantly let me surf or
> fish on fathers day. but mothers day? never!
You are SO WHIPPED.
--
Dan
"Freude trinken alle Wesen
An den Bruesten der Natur,
Alle Guten, alle Boesen
Folgen ihre Rosenspur." - Schiller, as adapted by Ludwig Van
Tom Keener
>>> my heros are robert e. lee, jesse james, and yassar arafat
>>>
>>lesseee, a racist, a thief and a terrorist.
>3)when the little guy has to resort to whatever means necessary to defend
>himself against the big guy, we call it "terrorism".
>and it will work for the palestinians, eventually. how many decades have
>passed with absolutely no resolution over there? arafat is far smarter than
>you think. if you were forced out of your homeland by a larger and richer foe,
>you would do exactly what he is doing. i know i would.
Whether you call it terrorism or guerilla warfare makes no difference,
Arafat is a lousy hero. He is unimaginative, egotistical, & selfish,
with very little charisma. He has botched several opportunities to
help his people, and they are worse off now because of his antics. At
this point he doesn't have even a majority of support among
Palestinians, just a plurality. It's a great tragedy that no one with
real leadership qualities and charisma has stepped forward for the
Palestinians. The last few weeks has shown that violent tactics won't
work. For every suicide bomber, Israel hits back with a sledgehammer.
The two tribes are more polarized than ever, Palestinians are more
fatalistic than ever, and they've lost so many more resources. So
tragic.
Tom Keener
email me if you want my email address
FleK the wolf flipper
"jb" <j...@swbeli.net.invalid> wrote in message
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it is a very sticky political situation, but I'll attempt to explain a
little to ya'll:
the Israelis want peace, they want to give up part of their country for
peace.
The Israeli leadership (Sharon, the "butcher"), wants to give up part of his
country for peace.
The Palestinians, despite a history of violence, and sending their children
out to the front lines, strapped with bombs to kill other children on the
other side of the checkpoints, they want peace, they will trade peace for a
few snippets of land they want to call home.
The Palestinian leadership does *not* want peace. They have Arab supprt and
aid (read:legitimacy) right up until they declare peace w/ the Isralies.
The Pals are the front lines for the Arab/Muslim world. For whatever reason
(religion) they hate Jews. Hate them. In Arab lands, if a water tower
falls during a sandstorm, it was the Mossad (Israeli CIA), the reason you
are poor: those damn Jews, (it certainly can't be the fact that their
governments are dictatorships that nationalize all land found with resources
read: oil).
For thousands of years, Arabs have enslaved Jews, the Romans, the Egyptians
(pharoh pharoh, oooo ooo, let me people go!). When the Jews were allowed a
homeland where they could defend themselves from this persecution, they made
a decision that they were going to fight for it when tested, and they
have...successfuly...every time.
What we see today is the Arab states whining that they can't beat Israel in
an all-out war (they tried, and had their asses handed to them several
times).
So back to peace, eh? If Arafat (the terrorist) signed a peace accord with
Israel today, he would be assasinated by lunch time, (Al-Qaieda, Islamic
Jihad, the Islamic front, the PLFP, the PLO cronies...whoever) and he knows
it. That's why he walked away from Barak's offer in camp david II (where he
was offered 97% of all lands that he wanted, and walked away, not even
making a diplomatic counter-offer). Moreover, he went home and started the
latest intifada.
On one side, we have a democracy. Did you know that Arabs are elected and
serve in the Knesset (Israeli congress), and in their local governments???
On the other side we have a dictatorship, where you can't even get on a
plane without Arafat's signature.
BTW, Arafat is moving into an advanced stage of Alzheimer's disease.
Don't kid yourselves, these are the same people (radical Islamists) that we
are fighting in Afghanistan, soon coming to Sudan, Eithopia, Somalia, Iraq
and Syria. The *same exact people*. Arafat is a man who gave orders for
kindergardens to teach the 'glories of martyerdom (suicide bombing).
...And enough of this stuff about "we blindly support Israel"...So what? so
we give a Democracy the benafit of the doubt above dictatorships? Yes,
that's the difference, the fact that Palestinian opposition radio and tv
studios operate freely and within Israeli law in Tel Aviv...and cries for
peace in Palestinian controlled lands means you're hung from a
lightpost...and left for days as an example, with signs stapled to your
clothing.
These guys you were surfing with...I'm sure they mean the Palestinians
'winning' by having a land of their own...which our current Administration,
and the current Israeli President have both stated...that wouldn't be them
'winning'...that's what everybody here wants. They don't want that land,
it's shitty and a quagmire....they want to get rid of it, but not for
nothing, they want a promise of peace, which seems less and less likely
everytime your 'hero' gets on public Palestinian state radio and cries
"Jihad Jihad Jihad, martyers by the millions!".
So again, him being your hero says alot about you, and none of it good.
_FleK
westoz
> So again, him being your hero says alot about you, and none of it good.
>
> _FleK
>
propaganda, they listen to thier propaganda, and we listen to our
propaganda, the word of the day is PROPAGANDA.
FleK
underlying *truth*. *TRUTH*. Right and Wrong are words that mean things.
Besides, and this may piss those off who disagree: but again, I've been
there.
_FleK
"westoz" <wes...@nospamwestnet.com.au> wrote in message
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westoz
"FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote in message
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> I used to believe that as well...then you start to see how there is
> underlying *truth*. *TRUTH*. Right and Wrong are words that mean things.
> Besides, and this may piss those off who disagree: but again, I've been
> there.
>
> _FleK
>
>
earth, and you being there doesn't give you a monopoly on the truth.
Tom.
rodNDtube
> I used to believe that as well...then you start to see how there is
> underlying *truth*. *TRUTH*. Right and Wrong are words that mean things.
> Besides, and this may piss those off who disagree: but again, I've been
> there.
>
> _FleK
Right! You have been wrong! That's the TRUTH!
P.S. So have I ;)
P.S.S. On topic: Thanks Mom!
Rod Rodgers
eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html
Surfgeotwo
"terrorist"?
my heros are robert e. lee, jesse james, and yassar arafat
FleK
> ok flek, help me out a little....how would you define "terrorism" or a
> "terrorist"?
a terrorist is one who uses and directly supports military actions that
target civilians.
_FleK
p.s., how many damn signatures do you need? how big is that axe you grind?
Surfgeotwo
>target civilians.
>
>_FleK
>
hmmmm....ok.
now, i am as patriotic as anyone, and would gladly fight and die for my country
if the need arose. but i dont look at the world thru stars and stripes
glasses. i look at the world with reality, and the US is a tad arrogant in
world affairs, which is precisely why we are in this predicament with
"terrorists", as you and my chosen president calls them as well. again, i look
at life realistically, not through star spangled spectacles.
in 1945 we dropped a couiple of fireworks over japan. remember your history
class? killing how many hundreds of thousands of civilians? i would venture
to say that we
"used and directly supported military actions that
targeted civilians."
as you so perfectly stated as you tumbled into my trap.
dont get me wrong, i feel the pain of the bataan death march an other
atrocities, but the same nukes dropped on top of a fleet of japanese naval
vessels would have accomplished the same effect, targeting only the military.
hell, we could have dropped them 20 miles off the coast and said "give it up or
they are on top of you next", rendering the same results.
so, we kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, yet we have the audacity to
decry the palestinians for their actions. and some people wonder why we are
hated so much by the islamic world. again, its just reality. i love my
country, but i have the intelligence to see our flaws, whereas too many others
blindly believe that we can do no wrong.
shit, just look at what we did to the indians. "by god, they arent christians!
well, then lets just kill them!"
(no more sigs, they served their purpose... ;-) )
our actions of targeting
FleK
> >a terrorist is one who uses and directly supports military actions that
> >target civilians.
> >
> >_FleK
> >
>
history
> class? killing how many hundreds of thousands of civilians? i would
venture
> to say that we
>
> "used and directly supported military actions that
> targeted civilians."
Dropping those 'fireworks' over Japan was the most humane thing we could
have done at that time, as grotesque as that sounds. The Japanese vowed to
fight for their emporer to the death, yet they needed to be defeated
soundly. Besides, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial centers, and those
were the targets. Civilians die in most *any* military action, it's the aim
of said action that is important. Again: more Japanese people are alive
today because of our actions with those H-Bombs. The only alternative was a
land invasion, street to street fighting, killing millions...yes, Millions.
So your ploy falls flat on its fat little face....(sorry)
> as you so perfectly stated as you tumbled into my trap.
you "setting a trap" for me sounds like those taliban clowns saying that
they wanted to go 'mano a mano' with US troops...You're outta your league,
cuz, and not just by a little bit.
> dont get me wrong, i feel the pain of the bataan death march an other
> atrocities,
No you don't, none of us do. We can only barely imagine.
>but the same nukes dropped on top of a fleet of japanese naval
> vessels would have accomplished the same effect, targeting only the
military.
> hell, we could have dropped them 20 miles off the coast and said "give it
up or
> they are on top of you next", rendering the same results.
Ok, so what do you propose? Wanna give up texas to the Japanese? g'head.
> so, we kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, yet we have the audacity
to
let's drop the dramatics, 'hundreds of thousands' is an exageration.
Hundred (singular) thousand is probably more appropriate. Further, there
was declared war, with civilians being targeted actively on both sides.
Siting a moral equivalency between the US in 1945 and Palestinian terrorist
is below even you, Gibson.
> decry the palestinians for their actions. and some people wonder why we
are
> hated so much by the islamic world. again, its just reality. i love my
> country, but i have the intelligence to see our flaws, whereas too many
others
> blindly believe that we can do no wrong.
Oh we can do wrong, this is true. However, Islamisicsts hate us because
we're not Islamic, period. If you are not Islamic, you are to be
fought...don't tell me you haven't been reading your Koran lately! I've
read it...many times over, in origional Arabic and in Kudrati...it's brutal.
And sure we have flaws! Just look at today's legislation that passed, farm
bill subsidies that keep food cheap and farmers happy...except that part
where the average tax payment by each US household is like 4400 bucks.
I'd like to go back, if I may, to following this weak-assed analogy with
WWII:
As I mentioned earlier, there was a declared war on... Would you like
Israel to declare all-out war on her neighbors? I'm guessing not, since the
terrorist huggers tend to realize that Israel could soundly hand asses out
all over the Mid-East and be back in time for tea.
>
> shit, just look at what we did to the indians. "by god, they arent
christians!
> well, then lets just kill them!"
Well, it was a little more complex than that, but I'll keep it short: The
Indians were savages and cannabils. They weren't this whitewashed image of
'in-tuned with nature nobility' bullshit we see today in black velvet
paintings in the malls. Moreover, there exists more Indians living in
America today than when Columbus landed...'splain that.
Again, these are different times, and us as a human race it seems are trying
to make the difference between 'military' and 'civilian'. Fair enough, I'd
like a kinder and gentler world, but as long as others get held up to this
ultra-high standard you're holding the US up to.
> (no more sigs, they served their purpose... ;-) )
what? the purpose of making you look even more like a complete
jackass-drama queen?
_FleK...politics, don't go there w/ me Gibson, you'll only get hurt, real
bad.
Surfgeotwo
>have done at that time, as grotesque as that sounds. The Japanese vowed to
>fight for their emporer to the death, yet they needed to be defeated
>soundly.
you just go right ahead and believe that. thats why you believe that galaleo
was the first to believe the world is round, and that columbus was the first
person to prove it physically.
you are a prime example of blindly believing whatever you are taught
oh yeah, i forgot, you were a marine. thats ok, every country needs expendable
pawns that cant think for themselves.
<<<Civilians die in most *any* military action, it's the aim
of said action that is important. Again: more Japanese people are alive
today because of our actions with those H-Bombs. The only alternative was a
land invasion, street to street fighting, killing millions...yes, Millions.>>>>
god are you stupid. how do you "know" this? you are just repeating what you
have always been taught......what a loser. the ONLY alternative was street
fighting???? what??? you belive that?
and whether you do or not, the fact is, as i was trying to explain, is that the
enemies of america today only see that we killed all those citizens yet we
arrogantly decry them for the same. now cram that into your little brainwashed
cranium,my work is done here. you have so perfectly proved for me what i
wanted you to prove.
thanks flek! no wonder lemming and wolfie like you so much!
Surfgeotwo
>Indians were savages and cannabils. They weren't this whitewashed image of
>'in-tuned with nature nobility' bullshit we see today in black velvet
>paintings in the malls
more proof of your blind brainwashing. there were dozens and dozens of
different tribes, flek, with just as many varied cultures.some warlike, some
peaceful, some farmers, some hunters. very few were cannibals. this just shows
your ignorance, paintingall native americans with one brush. you are one of a
kind, flek!
Tom Keener
On Wed, 15 May 2002 14:06:38 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
wrote:
>but again, I've been there.
Where is "there"? And how much time did you spend there? And how many
actual conversations did you have with any locals? And did you
actually _read_ any local papers? Or do _any_ research into what you
so self-righteously pontificate on? I'll bet the closest you've ever
come to Palestine is a refueling stop at Tel Aviv airport, if that.
God knows I'm no expert, but your ignorance of the situation is
laughable. Or would be, if it weren't so pathetic.
And, FWIW, yeah, I've been there, too. I spent 1 1/2 years in
Israel/Palestine. I've spent days on a moshav (even know what that
is?) in the Golan Heights, and I've slept in numerous Palestinian
homes in the West Bank. I've been from the Lebanese border to Sharm El
Sheikh, from Gaza to Mt Hermon. So I'll put my experience up against
your stay on a boat in the Indian Ocean any time. Reality is a far cry
from what you heard on AFN.
On Tue, 14 May 2002 15:30:42 GMT, "FleK the wolf flipper"
<flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote:
>it is a very sticky political situation, but I'll attempt to explain a
>little to ya'll:
Oh, please. When your ignorance is so boundless, you should consider
keeping your mouth shut.
>the Israelis want peace, they want to give up part of their country for
>peace.
1. They don't _want_ to give it up, they are _willing_ to. Rather,
_some_ are. Sharon's own party just officially declared they will
_never_ give up the West Bank.
2. It isn't _their_ country, and they know it. There were no Jewish
communities in the West Bank, Gaza, or the Golan Heights before the 6
Day War. For many years, there were only military outposts in those
occupied territories.
>The Israeli leadership (Sharon, the "butcher"), wants to give up part of his
>country for peace.
Sharon wants to expell (or as he calls it, "transfer") the
Palestinians from the territories. (Call it a Palestinian diaspora.)
>The Palestinians, despite a history of violence,
The Palestinians are the most peaceful people in the region. That's
why they have survived for the last 50+ years.
>and sending their children
>out to the front lines, strapped with bombs to kill other children on the
>other side of the checkpoints, they want peace, they will trade peace for a
>few snippets of land they want to call home.
>
>The Palestinian leadership does *not* want peace.
Baloney. They want peace more than anyone. They've just chosen a
stupid way to achieve it.
>They have Arab supprt and
>aid (read:legitimacy) right up until they declare peace w/ the Isralies.
>The Pals are the front lines for the Arab/Muslim world. For whatever reason
>(religion) they hate Jews.
"For whatever reason"? Just say it: You have no clue what's going on.
>Hate them. In Arab lands, if a water tower
>falls during a sandstorm, it was the Mossad (Israeli CIA), the reason you
>are poor: those damn Jews, (it certainly can't be the fact that their
>governments are dictatorships that nationalize all land found with resources
>read: oil).
Don't let hyperbole get in your way.
>For thousands of years, Arabs have enslaved Jews, the Romans, the Egyptians
>(pharoh pharoh, oooo ooo, let me people go!).
??!! Where did you come up with this fantasy? Thousands of years?
Slavery? Get a grip.
>When the Jews were allowed a
Allowed? That's a stretch. Do you know _anything_ about the Mandate?
>homeland where they could defend themselves from this persecution, they made
>a decision that they were going to fight for it when tested, and they
>have...successfuly...every time.
>
>What we see today is the Arab states whining that they can't beat Israel in
>an all-out war (they tried, and had their asses handed to them several
>times).
They could easily beat Israel. They can't beat Israel with American
military support. The Egyptians came very close to over-running Israel
in the Yom Kippur war.
>So back to peace, eh? If Arafat (the terrorist) signed a peace accord with
>Israel today, he would be assasinated by lunch time, (Al-Qaieda, Islamic
>Jihad, the Islamic front, the PLFP, the PLO cronies...whoever) and he knows
>it.
You wish. Arafat is nothing if not a survivor.
>That's why he walked away from Barak's offer in camp david II (where he
>was offered 97% of all lands that he wanted, and walked away, not even
>making a diplomatic counter-offer). Moreover, he went home and started the
>latest intifada.
Balderdash. The talks broke down over the issue of "right of return".
The thousands of Palestinians who lived in what is now called Israel,
(not the West Bank or Gaza,) and are now refugees, want to be able to
return to their homes. Israel refuses.
>On one side, we have a democracy. Did you know that Arabs are elected and
>serve in the Knesset (Israeli congress), and in their local governments???
>On the other side we have a dictatorship, where you can't even get on a
>plane without Arafat's signature.
There's that hyperbole again.
>BTW, Arafat is moving into an advanced stage of Alzheimer's disease.
>
>Don't kid yourselves, these are the same people (radical Islamists) that we
>are fighting in Afghanistan, soon coming to Sudan, Eithopia, Somalia, Iraq
>and Syria. The *same exact people*. Arafat is a man who gave orders for
>kindergardens to teach the 'glories of martyerdom (suicide bombing).
The *same exact people* who come from different ethnic groups, who
don't even speak the same language, or even believe in the same
religion. You do know the difference between Sunni and Shiite Islam,
don't you? You know, the reason Iran & Iraq fought a 10 year war. A
major reason the rest of the Arab world hasn't fought harder for the
Palestinians is because they _don't_ feel an ethnic bond.
>...And enough of this stuff about "we blindly support Israel"...So what? so
>we give a Democracy the benafit of the doubt above dictatorships? Yes,
>that's the difference, the fact that Palestinian opposition radio and tv
>studios operate freely and within Israeli law in Tel Aviv...and cries for
>peace in Palestinian controlled lands means you're hung from a
>lightpost...and left for days as an example, with signs stapled to your
>clothing.
>
>These guys you were surfing with...I'm sure they mean the Palestinians
>'winning' by having a land of their own...which our current Administration,
>and the current Israeli President have both stated...that wouldn't be them
>'winning'...that's what everybody here wants. They don't want that land,
>it's shitty and a quagmire....they want to get rid of it, but not for
>nothing, they want a promise of peace, which seems less and less likely
>everytime your 'hero' gets on public Palestinian state radio and cries
>"Jihad Jihad Jihad, martyers by the millions!".
>
>So again, him being your hero says alot about you, and none of it good.
Not as much as your ignorant rambling says about you.
FleK
"Tom Keener" stepped in a Hyooge pile of dogshit:
> (Replying to two posts at once:)
> On Wed, 15 May 2002 14:06:38 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
> wrote:
> >but again, I've been there.
>
> Where is "there"? And how much time did you spend there? And how many
> actual conversations did you have with any locals? And did you
> actually _read_ any local papers?
One day, if you're still alive, we can go over the stories...Yes, I've been
it wasn't quite a re-fuel stop.
Or do _any_ research into what you
> so self-righteously pontificate on?
I thought ya'll knew me better? I'm not self-righteous at all. And for
anyone who cares, I'm the dirtyest bastard in here. Surely I'm going to
hell without having to stand in line. I've done things not even G-d can
save me from. I know things that keep me up at night, but would cause you
to drive your bike off a cliff. Is that better?
I'll bet the closest you've ever
> come to Palestine is a refueling stop at Tel Aviv airport, if that.
> God knows I'm no expert, but your ignorance of the situation is
> laughable. Or would be, if it weren't so pathetic.
You betted wrong, where's my $5 punk?
>
> And, FWIW, yeah, I've been there, too. I spent 1 1/2 years in
> Israel/Palestine. I've spent days on a moshav (even know what that
> is?) in the Golan Heights, and I've slept in numerous Palestinian
> homes in the West Bank. I've been from the Lebanese border to Sharm El
> Sheikh, from Gaza to Mt Hermon. So I'll put my experience up against
> your stay on a boat in the Indian Ocean any time. Reality is a far cry
> from what you heard on AFN.
>
well, since this is a pissing contest, let's brush up on some Hebrew:
you know how to set your browser to Hebrew yes? Better question: you can
read/write Hebrew yes?
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בכרמל תוכלו לרכוש או לשכור בית כפרי בתנאים נוחים מאוד, להישאר במרחק סביר
מהעיר, .......ולחיות באווירה של הגשמה בחברה ציונית דתית שורשית מלבד ישוב א"י
לפי תורת ישראל משתדלים gnifrus.tla בכרמל לתת כתף עם כל עם ישראל. במקום קמה
מכינת-שילוב "נתיב כרמל" המיועדת לבוגרי תיכונים מכל הערים ועיירות הפיתוח -
הכנה תורנות לגיוס לצבא ומסלול מיוחד לצה"ל
!!!!!בכרמל מרפאה הנותנת שירותים למשפחה וטיפת חלב
כרמל מוכרת כאזור zenotkelf פיתוח א' במשרד החינוך, דבר המקנה תמריצים שונים
לאנשי חינוך
בישוב קיים מפעל "עשבי קדם" המפתח מוצרים שונים מעשבי מרפא באזור
בישוב ובסמוך לו בית אריזה לפירות, לול, ורפת של המשק השיתופי
KelF_
FleK
>
> you just go right ahead and believe that. thats why you believe that
galaleo
> was the first to believe the world is round, and that columbus was the
first
> person to prove it physically.
no, but I do know how to at least *spell* galileo. Fact is, we don't know
who was the first, popular belief today is that the Norse made it over via
Greenland as early as 1030....why the fuck am I having to educate you on
this?
>
> you are a prime example of blindly believing whatever you are taught
ugh, no, I just know what's right and what's wrong, it's not hard to see in
this situation.
> oh yeah, i forgot, you were a marine. thats ok, every country needs
expendable
> pawns that cant think for themselves.
I *am* a Marine, it's something you wouldn't understand, as the hardest
thing you've ever done is finish the 96 'ouncer' at some tejas steakhouse.
>
> <<<Civilians die in most *any* military action, it's the aim
> of said action that is important. Again: more Japanese people are alive
> today because of our actions with those H-Bombs. The only alternative was
a
> land invasion, street to street fighting, killing millions...yes,
Millions.>>>>
>
> god are you stupid. how do you "know" this? you are just repeating what
you
> have always been taught......what a loser. the ONLY alternative was
street
> fighting???? what??? you belive that?
Okay, what would have been your alternative?
Oh, and don't give me that shit about the Japanese would have surrendered
after seeing one of their flotillas lost due to an A-bomb, or having a neat
little 'demonstration' for them. They're not the French for Christ sakes.
The Japanese were not ready to surrender after just the Hiroshima bombing.
The difference between us and terrorist is that the terrorist would have
nuked Tokyo, a major population center. We bombed Hiro and Nagasaki,
industrial centers with most population centers *outside* the city.
I understand that at the time, Truman was considering a blockade, thus
'starving' Japana off. This was decided against because it was estimated
that this action would kill even more. The only other action would have
been a land invasion, already ruled out as it would have killed more on both
sides than the A-bomb killed on just their side.
Could you have imagined a land invasion? Kamakazies targeting troop
transports, undrinkable water, no local health facilities to speak of
(except local VD clinics), and a bunch of green recruits fighting Japanese
soldiers, ready to commit mass suicide if their emporer were harmed.
Yeah, I advise *you* to do the reading.
> and whether you do or not, the fact is, as i was trying to explain, is
that the
> enemies of america today only see that we killed all those citizens
They can, and will, see what they like...or more accurately, what their
government likes. State run medias, ya know.
> yet we
> arrogantly decry them for the same. now cram that into your little
brainwashed
> cranium,my work is done here. you have so perfectly proved for me what i
> wanted you to prove.
I've barely seen a masochist of your degree. You've proven that you can
claim I know nothing about 'galaleo' while misspelling it. Actually, that's
a bit of an analogy for this rest of your post come to think of it... I
advise you to learn more about komputrs, and learn how to use a sepll chek.
You know nothing about Wurld wor too, or the ambitions of the "Japs"(as you
put it) during those yearz. Find some sources on diploomocie, and the
Palastenen kause. You're not as smart as me when it comes to getting inside
the head of Yasur Arphat.
>
> thanks flek! no wonder lemming and wolfie like you so much!
Actually, I think due to some mental things, wolfie isn't too fond of me.
Lemmings on the other hand, hell, we sit around in our fuzzy slippers and
drink 150 y/o congnac and watch 'buddy' flicks.
_FlewK
rodNDtube
> well, since this is a pissing contest, let's brush up on some Hebrew:
>
> you know how to set your browser to Hebrew yes? Better question: you can
> read/write Hebrew yes?
> כרמל ישוב ציוני דתי בעל .....אופי תורני בהר חברון, הצופה reneek אל נוף מדבר
> יהודה
>
> עד לפני מספר שנים היה משק שיתופי, וכיום כישוב קהילתי מוסיפים........ ענפי
> החקלאות הסובבים אותו לאווירה הכפרית ולקשר לאדמה
>
> בכרמל מערכת חינוך לגיל הרך, חוגים תורניים, וחוגי העשרה, מועדונית, וסניף בני
> עקיבא
>
> במרחקי נסיעה קצרים מוסדות חינוך......... משובחים: בית ספר יסודי, ישיבה
> תיכונית, אולפנות
>
> בכרמל תוכלו לרכוש או לשכור בית כפרי בתנאים נוחים מאוד, להישאר במרחק סביר
> מהעיר, .......ולחיות באווירה של הגשמה בחברה ציונית דתית שורשית מלבד ישוב א"י
> לפי תורת ישראל משתדלים gnifrus.tla בכרמל לתת כתף עם כל עם ישראל. במקום קמה
> מכינת-שילוב "נתיב כרמל" המיועדת לבוגרי תיכונים מכל הערים ועיירות הפיתוח -
> הכנה תורנות לגיוס לצבא ומסלול מיוחד לצה"ל
>
> !!!!!בכרמל מרפאה הנותנת שירותים למשפחה וטיפת חלב
>
> כרמל מוכרת כאזור zenotkelf פיתוח א' במשרד החינוך, דבר המקנה תמריצים שונים
> לאנשי חינוך
>
> בישוב קיים מפעל "עשבי קדם" המפתח מוצרים שונים מעשבי מרפא באזור
>
> בישוב ובסמוך לו בית אריזה לפירות, לול, ורפת של המשק השיתופי
>
> KelF_
Finally Flek is talking some sense... but I'd prefer the greek
translation.
Flek... your definition of terrorism and discussion about the sparklers
over Japan had me wondering... switching to the European theater of
operations: Were either the Axis or Allies engaged in "terrorist" actions
during WW II? The question is not qualified by the "ends" but the "means
to the end" - all parties believe their actions are justifiable by their
endgame goals.
Would you differentiate between "civilians" and "innocents?"
P.S. Surf content: Are the surf nazi's terrorists? Are "locals"
rightfully called surf terrorists?
FleK
Liberating France, Germany, Poland, Hungary, et al is that same as
palestinians strapping bombs to their children and sending them to religious
celebrations on passover to kill babies and moms and dads, grandparents and
uncles/aunts..ya got me bud that was a good one!!!
There isn't enough grass in the entire world to continue this conversation:
http://home.sc.rr.com/flektonez/not%20enuff%20weed.jpg
"rodNDtube" <rrod...@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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Michael Sullivan
>
> "Surfgeotwo" <surfg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020515224410...@mb-fl.aol.com...
> > >a terrorist is one who uses and directly supports military actions that
> > >target civilians.
> > >
> > >_FleK
> > >
> >
> > in 1945 we dropped a couiple of fireworks over japan. remember your
> history
> > class? killing how many hundreds of thousands of civilians? i would
> venture
> > to say that we
> >
> > "used and directly supported military actions that
> > targeted civilians."
>
> Dropping those 'fireworks' over Japan was the most humane thing we could
> have done at that time, as grotesque as that sounds. The Japanese vowed to
> fight for their emporer to the death, yet they needed to be defeated
> soundly. Besides, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial centers, and those
> were the targets. Civilians die in most *any* military action, it's the aim
> of said action that is important. Again: more Japanese people are alive
> today because of our actions with those H-Bombs. The only alternative was a
> land invasion, street to street fighting, killing millions...yes, Millions.
> So your ploy falls flat on its fat little face....(sorry)
The industrial centers of Japan had already been heavily bombed.
Hiroshima was chosen BECAUSE there was little war damage to it
and the effect would be more dramatic. This was terror. The
reason you have problems seeing that is because the bushies have
hijacked the word to mean only acts of violence against
our own civilians.
There could be strong argument on both sides of whether the terror was
justified to bring the war to an end. That argument is moot,
however, given that the bomb was not aimed at an already defeated
Japan, but at the post-war Soviets.
snip.
> > shit, just look at what we did to the indians. "by god, they arent
> christians!
> > well, then lets just kill them!"
>
> Well, it was a little more complex than that, but I'll keep it short: The
> Indians were savages and cannabils. They weren't this whitewashed image of
> 'in-tuned with nature nobility' bullshit we see today in black velvet
> paintings in the malls. Moreover, there exists more Indians living in
> America today than when Columbus landed...'splain that.
I wonder if you could explain your flatulent ignorance.
Oh wait, I know, it was just a troll....
Mike
FleK
okay, let me get this straight: We are terrorists, and we deserved Sept.
11, further, we deserve even worse. I think I'm going to now go poke my own
eyes out.
_FleK
"Michael Sullivan" <gc....@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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Michael Sullivan
>
> OH MAN! am I ever SORRY!!!
>
> okay, let me get this straight: We are terrorists, and we deserved Sept.
> 11, further, we deserve even worse. I think I'm going to now go poke my own
> eyes out.
LOL. breathtaking logical leap.
I still remember a debate we had in 6th grade, about
4 each of us on a side over the issue of capital
punishment. A kid on the con side asked one of
the pro side kids if he'd still execute a killer
if the killer was his girlfriend. The con side
kid meant it as a generic question, but the pro
side kid looked right at this girl in class that
he was in love with from afar.
She yelled at him 'I'm not your stupid girlfriend'
He sputtered a bit, the whole class laughed, the
teacher tried to get the debate back on track to
no avail, and the pro and con kid ended up in a
bit of a melee at lunch recess, no damage beyond
maybe a torn shirt.
Mike
superfly®
muslim goal is total extermination of Israel. Just more anti-semitism.
Pssst... Hey Michael... The jews win in the end ;-)
"Michael Sullivan" <gc....@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote
Tom Keener
wrote:
>well, since this is a pissing contest, let's brush up on some Hebrew:
It's only a pissing contest because you think whatever time you spent
there gives you credibility. I'm concerned about the wrong ideas
you're proliferating. A person who never left Podunk, Iowa could have
more knowledge about the Middle East simply by paying attention and
doing some simple research.
>you know how to set your browser to Hebrew yes? Better question: you can
>read/write Hebrew yes?
Unfortunately, my newsreader (not browser,) does _not_ have any
languages except simple ASCII English. It pisses me off occasionally,
but I'm too lazy to do anything about it.
Yeah, I learned Hebrew. And a bit of Arabic, too. But it was a while
ago, and I'm pretty rusty now. My spoken Hebrew was always better than
written, too. But go ahead and transliterate it & I'll see if it makes
sense.
Michael Sullivan
>
> However in the case of the present conflict it's no secret that the
> muslim goal is total extermination of Israel. Just more anti-semitism.
I've trouble seeing any direct parallels between the
present conflict and the end of WWII. My point was
simply separating the definition of terrorism from
its' political applications.
>
> Pssst... Hey Michael... The jews win in the end ;-)
hoisted by his own petard. :^)
Now for the more compelling question, is Jimmuh Carter going
to open up some new EC surf destinations?
Mike
FleK
> Now for the more compelling question, is Jimmuh Carter going
> to open up some new EC surf destinations?
>
There are none, El Roca said so.
In all seriousness, that would be way cool...can't wait 'till Castro kicks
der bucket and puts to rest one of the most brutal regimes (except for the
US, of course) in recent history.
Cuba has some great surf spots, but the country itself is quite the
shithole. However, if ya wanna gun the engine of a well-kept 57
thunderbird, that's the place to do it.
_FleK
FleK
>
> Unfortunately, my newsreader (not browser,) does _not_ have any
> languages except simple ASCII English. It pisses me off occasionally,
> but I'm too lazy to do anything about it.
>
> Yeah, I learned Hebrew. And a bit of Arabic, too. But it was a while
> ago, and I'm pretty rusty now. My spoken Hebrew was always better than
> written, too. But go ahead and transliterate it & I'll see if it makes
> sense.
Tom, I'm glad to see the law of liberaldynamics has held up once more.
let's review:
You laid claimage on Israel, asking me questions about simple vocabulary,
claiming I didn't know what I was talking about because if I had ever been,
it was just a refuel stop, or a simple float in the Indi-Ocean.
I busted your ass back with a retort, in Hebrew (my third language) no less.
Now you want me to hold your hand and explain it to you?
Class is over, you failed....Next time you do the 'iron butt' across the
nation on your bike, make sure you drop by...so's you can see with whom you
are dealing, this may lead to cessation of further embarassments.
_FleK
Foon
>Now for the more compelling question, is Jimmuh Carter going
>to open up some new EC surf destinations?
Damn, that would be great. I know a Canadian who just got back last fall and
loved it. I may take up smoking stogies again and brush up on my
spanish, por favor. Saw a pic as a kid of Grandpap Foon
sailfishing off Cuba. He was one happy man. That may have been
because Grandma Foon was back in the states.
-SenorFoon
OBsurfr
,"Indi-Ocean", after all your rants. It took a while to get from alt.soapbox
back to good 'ole AS.
So is the Indi-Ocean near Indiana?
;)
--
OBsurfr(kneed4speed)
www.kneed4speed.com
"FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM> wrote in message
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Snorky the BitFlipper
keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part says...
[Well, Flek blathered this first]
> >homeland where they could defend themselves from this persecution, they made
> >a decision that they were going to fight for it when tested, and they
> >have...successfuly...every time.
> >
> >What we see today is the Arab states whining that they can't beat Israel in
> >an all-out war (they tried, and had their asses handed to them several
> >times).
[then T_K replied]
> They could easily beat Israel. They can't beat Israel with American
> military support. The Egyptians came very close to over-running Israel
> in the Yom Kippur war.
What saved Israel's ass in the Yom Kippur War was the sudden infusion of
$2 billion in US military aid to Israel. Without that aid, Israel would
have quickly lost the occupied territories, and perhaps much more.
Note that the US had an ulterior motive in the aid: the Soviet Union was
busy arming Iran, Iraq, Syria, and several Palestinian groups in
Lebanon. We were hoping to have some kind of base in the mid-East. And
as we've proven over and over again, what ever friends we shored up in
the area did not have to wear white hats - anyone would do in a pinch.
In other words, Israel was damned lucky that we intervened; but the
intervention had little to do with preserving a democracy.... we've
preserved far more dictatorships than we have democracies.
The US has maintained military aid to Israel at the rate of ~$2 billion
annually since then. I doubt that anyone in Congress remembers why we
started....
In the meanwhile, the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and other oil-rich Arab states
manage their military affairs like capitalists: they BUY their stuff
from us, instead of being on the dole like Israel is.
The ironies are astonishing. So is Flek's ignorance.
--
- gw
"A diamond is a lump of coal that stuck around to finish the job"
M.Forbes
Snorky the BitFlipper
keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part says...
> The *same exact people* who come from different ethnic groups, who
> don't even speak the same language, or even believe in the same
> religion. You do know the difference between Sunni and Shiite Islam,
> don't you? You know, the reason Iran & Iraq fought a 10 year war. A
> major reason the rest of the Arab world hasn't fought harder for the
> Palestinians is because they _don't_ feel an ethnic bond.
Jordan expelled Arafat and outlawed the PLO. Arafat would be gunned down
in a heartbeat in Syria or Lebanon.
What are Palestinians to most of the Arab world? Cheap labor. They are
allowed (sometimes) to work in menial, low-paid tasks in wealthy Arab
countries. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the first people heading out of
Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were the Palestinians. Why? Because they knew
that if Saddam Hussien prevailed, that their status would drop even
lower.
But Flek "Simper Fido" Toes already knew that....
Snorky the BitFlipper
rrod...@bcpl.net says...
> Flek... your definition of terrorism and discussion about the sparklers
> over Japan had me wondering... switching to the European theater of
> operations: Were either the Axis or Allies engaged in "terrorist" actions
> during WW II?
Both sides conducted "terrorist" actions - as defined by Flek - against
civilians.
Consider Dresden, where we totally destroyed a large city with
firebombing?
Eliminating the industrial capability of Dresden was probably justified
as a military strategy, even though there would necessarily be
'collateral damage'. However, the carpet bombing tactics were intended
solely to break the will of the German civilians.
That is just what the Palestinian terrorists are doing; it's the motive
behind the 9-11 attacks, and it's the goal behind any kind of terrorism:
demoralize the citizenry in the hope that the disheartened citizens may
impact their government's actions.
Fact: the US has officially and unofficially condoned terrorism in our
own actions and in the actions of others.
> The question is not qualified by the "ends" but the "means
> to the end" - all parties believe their actions are justifiable by their
> endgame goals.
We Americans like to claim the moral high ground on everything. And
often we deserve those claims... but not when we weasel our way there.
It's hypocritical for the US to denounce attacks on innocent civilians
when we have such a poor track record ourselves.
To earn the High Ground, you have to take the High Road.
FleK
"Snorky the BitFlipper" <greywo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> The ironies are astonishing. So is Flek's ignorance.
>
Depressed one!
I agree with everything you wrote in your previous post, why the claimage on
ignorance?
Sure Israel is on the dole, look around to see that most countries are. I
think we should stop it all, but that's another thing having to do even less
with mothers day, or surfing for that matter.
OTOH, Egypt gets the same amount of AID (more in some years) than Israel.
Know what they do with it? While Israel is at least running a stable
democracy, Egypt takes our money and (amongst other things) persecutes
christians by death, state-sponsored media blood libels the US day in and
day out, claims to not be receiving money from 'the great satan' and turns
the other way while clitorectomies are commonly practised...but that's okay,
it's fine if you're brutal and oppressive to your people and your women, as
long as you're not one of 'us'.
BTW, they also hide money for al Qaeida, deal in the African slave trade,
slaughter baby camels for fun (they have this hook they stick in the anus
and pull until it comes out their sides)...mind you, the body is discarded
as this is purely for sport. They also have their own sort of home-brew
terrorists (1/3 of al Qaeida is est. to be of Egypt's origion), many believe
that the Egypt Air flight over delmarva that crashed was a pilot
suicide/murder (killed a bunch of US high school kids going to France).
Yeah! and these are just our 'moderate arab friends'. Mind you, this is
all 'cold' stuff that is out of the loop, you can get this stuff on any
reuters feed.
So after all this info goes in one cheezy ear and out the other, you still
just want to talk about how bad the US and our allies are...
Remember, don't let this scare you, go back to sleep, flek is ignorant, flek
is ignorant, flek is...zzzZZZzzzZZzZZZ
awww, look how cute he is!
_FleK
FleK
merely smacking the bitches that thought they could make a point...nothing
to see here, move along....
Indian Ocean...it's on the other side.
_FleK
"OBsurfr" <g.ba...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Snorky the BitFlipper
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
> "Snorky the BitFlipper" <greywo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> > The ironies are astonishing. So is Flek's ignorance.
> >
>
> Depressed one!
You didn't read the part about the High Road, did you?
> I agree with everything you wrote in your previous post, why the claimage on
> ignorance?
If you're agreeing with my post, then you're disagreeing several of your
own posts. And that's a good thing.
george_of_the_jungle
wrote:
>I've barely seen a masochist of your degree. You've proven that you can
>claim I know nothing about 'galaleo' while misspelling it. Actually, that's
>a bit of an analogy for this rest of your post come to think of it... I
>advise you to learn more about komputrs, and learn how to use a sepll chek.
>You know nothing about Wurld wor too, or the ambitions of the "Japs"(as you
>put it) during those yearz. Find some sources on diploomocie, and the
>Palastenen kause. You're not as smart as me when it comes to getting inside
>the head of Yasur Arphat.
>_FlewK
>
>
Uhhh Fleck, he made a trivial error.
Take a deep breath and count to 10.
It's ok.
-g
The deep ocean is not the ultimate dump site. Kauai's ocean margins are a priceless treasure! Stop the misguided, misnamed, misdirected "Ocean Sequestration of CO2 Field Experiment". See http://www.kahea.org/co2.html for more info.
Tom Keener
wrote:
>"Tom Keener" backpaddles:
>>
>> Unfortunately, my newsreader (not browser,) does _not_ have any
>> languages except simple ASCII English. It pisses me off occasionally,
>> but I'm too lazy to do anything about it.
>>
>> Yeah, I learned Hebrew. And a bit of Arabic, too. But it was a while
>> ago, and I'm pretty rusty now. My spoken Hebrew was always better than
>> written, too. But go ahead and transliterate it & I'll see if it makes
>> sense.
>
>
>Tom, I'm glad to see the law of liberaldynamics has held up once more.
Of course, we couldn't have a thread without you falling back on your
knee-jerk anti-liberal myopia. Have you _ever_ had an independant
thought that wasn't fed to you by your conservative gurus? Do you get
paid for every time you attack liberals? I'll bet you're convinced the
floods are a liberal's fault, too.
>let's review:
>You laid claimage on Israel, asking me questions about simple vocabulary,
>claiming I didn't know what I was talking about because if I had ever been,
>it was just a refuel stop, or a simple float in the Indi-Ocean.
Wrong again. I busted your ass because you don't know diddley squat
about history, culture, or politics in the Middle East. But rather
than answer _any_ of my points, you're more interested in a pissing
contest. Of course you snipped my other comment in the post to which
you're replying. That was the part about CONTENT. I'll say it again:
it doesn't matter if you spent your entire life there, if you can't
think for yourself, it's no wonder you don't know what's going on.
>I busted your ass back with a retort, in Hebrew (my third language) no less.
>Now you want me to hold your hand and explain it to you?
Are you illiterate? Shall I explain it to _you_? (I'm not convinced
you even know _one_ language, much less three.)
MY NEWSREADER DOES NOT INCLUDE HEBREW.
Look up transliterate in a dictionary. Hint: it doesn't mean
translation.
Lekh l'azazel, yelad tipesh.
Surfgeotwo
>You've proven that you can
>claim I know nothing about 'galaleo' while misspelling it. Actually, that's
>a bit of an analogy for this rest of your post come to think of it... I
>advise you to learn more about komputrs, and learn how to use a sepll chek.
>You know nothing about Wurld wor too, or the ambitions of the "Japs"(as you
>put it) during those yearz. Find some sources on diploomocie, and the
>Palastenen kause. You're not as smart as me when it comes to getting inside
>the head of Yasur Arphat.
>
>>
>> thanks flek! no wonder lemming and wolfie like you so much!
>
>Actually, I think due to some mental things, wolfie isn't too fond of me.
>Lemmings on the other hand, hell, we sit around in our fuzzy slippers and
>drink 150 y/o congnac and watch 'buddy' flicks.
>
>_FlewK
>
i love it! flek is so easily trolled he even tosses out the spelling card!!
and flook is a perfect name for you. keep it up, i am enjoying the show!
(no sig trolls needed today)
rodNDtube
> OH MAN! am I ever SORRY!!!
>
> okay, let me get this straight: We are terrorists, and we deserved Sept.
> 11, further, we deserve even worse. I think I'm going to now go poke my own
> eyes out.
>
> _FleK
That would improve your listening acuity... but please don't! We like
when you flutter your eyelashes. Instead, exchange those nipple hoops for
some nice studly diamond nipple caps :)
P.S. How are the surf terrorists at Sebastian Inlet?
rodNDtube
all about terrorism. The U.S.A. can afford ($$$) to engage in command and
control warfare, but its asymmetrical or primitive warfare for nearly
everyone else.
P.S. The Germans used a similar terrorist strategy in their raids against
the Brits... but Dresden was a fine, if sad, example.
Rod Rodgers
FleK
> >
>
> i love it! flek is so easily trolled he even tosses out the spelling
card!!
>
know about is more than just 'the spelling card'.
Think about it.
_Flek
surfgeo
>
>>
>> okay, let me get this straight: We are terrorists,
by YOUR OWN definition, shall i quote?
"a terrorist is one who uses and directly supports military actions
thattarget civilians."
>>and we deserved Sept.
>> 11, further, we deserve even worse.
exactly! didnt one of your neighbors say we deserved it because of
the gays and lesbians????
>>I think I'm going to now go poke my own
>> eyes out.
perfect! with your mentor rush being deaf, you'd make quite a pair!
now all someone has to do is render jessie helms speechless (no small
task) and we have "hear no evil", "see no evil", and "speak no evil"!
isnt it appropriate that they were monkeys too?
who needs rush when you have flekkie helms?
>On Thu, 16 May 2002, FleK wrote:
>
>> OH MAN! am I ever SORRY!!!
>>
>> okay, let me get this straight: We are terrorists,
by YOUR OWN definition, shall i quote?
"a terrorist is one who uses and directly supports military actions
thattarget civilians."
>>and we deserved Sept.
>> 11, further, we deserve even worse.
exactly! didnt one of your neighbors say we deserved it because of
the gays and lesbians????
>>I think I'm going to now go poke my own
>> eyes out.
perfect! with your mentor rush being deaf, you'd make quite a pair!
now all someone has to do is render jessie helms speechless (no small
task) and we have "hear no evil", "see no evil", and "speak no evil"!
isnt it appropriate that they were monkeys too?
who needs rush when you have flekkie helms?
FleK
news:3ce4c123....@nntp.cts.com...
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:58:12 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
>
> knee-jerk anti-liberal myopia.
Face it, you know it as well as I do, if liberals were in charge they would
have been more concerened about the environmental impact of 9/11 than either
the national tradgedy or the realization that we're in a fight for our
civilization.
>Have you _ever_ had an independant
> thought that wasn't fed to you by your conservative gurus?
(being whispered to in hear by conservative 'gurus'), no not at all!
Ohwait, I wasn't listening, what was the question? Tom, you disagree with
almost everything I say, therefore I must be evil, misinformed, myopic,
hateful, being misled by 'gurus' (vast right-wing conspiracy anyone?) creul
to animals and trees, anti-environment and blinded by the 'stars and
stripes'. You POV certainly sounds open-minded and free-spirited, MAN! If
you look closely, I've provided a simple point of interlochature all
throughout this ugh, "debate", and it's been ignored in favor of
name-calling. Liberals say the darndest things! :D
Do you get
> paid for every time you attack liberals? I'll bet you're convinced the
> floods are a liberal's fault, too.
You think liberals are harmless tree-sitters, protesting against big, evil
corps. You think liberals stand for the 'little guy'. You think liberals
are for the public knowing the truth, and you think the government can solve
your problems. I see it differently, look around you: liberals are today
calling out our President, claiming that he "should have done something!"
before 9/11 even though there was no specific evidence. They want to hold
televised hearings where our intelligence operations are scrutinized. They
want this all to 'come to light' becase even though they know there's
nothing there, they still want a piece of the action. OTOH, there are intel
guys in the Philippines that could be disemboweled as soon as certain
realities come to life about our intel operations that led to certain alerts
in days prior to 9/11. Meanwhile, we're back here debating the degree to
wether we DESERVED (?!?!?) for 3000 of our fellow country-men being murdered
as they prepared for work! I'll tell you something Keener, why don't you go
to one of those widows of Sept 11, or one of those orphans and you tell them
about how the US deserved what happened to their mommy or daddy, you tell
them. Tell them about the 'arrogance' of the US, tell them about how we
FORCE other countries to do our bidding through aid checks. Of course, I'm
sure you would...liberals are always seeking the 'truth'. Yeah, 'truth'
goes in parenths. because it's sorda like krab meat, you know it's not the
real thing.
That is why I left my last job, quite frankly. Western civilization is in a
state of catharsis now. We're still trying to figure out wether we
*deserve* to win this fight. Meanwhile, the 'bad guys' (or freedom
fighters, because everybody knows: one man's terrorist is another man's
freedom fighter) are doing some RnR and getting resupplied by our 'friends'.
IF there had been people like you Tom Keener and a few other of you, we
would have been debating wether we deserved Pearl Harbor or not, right unil
the Japanese were bombing your houses. My conservative gurus tell me that
you need to sit down and think long and hard about where your 'loyal
opposition' is getting you.
I say no! We did NOT deserve this. The people we are up against are evil,
and they stand for the destruction of life. They don't care as much about
politics, or even religion, they're in it for the smell of death. We can
either try to find out what their 'beef' is and change or we can take them
out...there is not enough time for both.
>
> Wrong again. I busted your ass because you don't know diddley squat
> about history, culture, or politics in the Middle East.
I know a bit about the area. You're making wild claims about this just
because you disagree with the conclusion I come to, not the way in which I
come up with it. Therefore, you're claiming I'm stupid... I'm an
intelligent guy, I've done more in 25 years that most folks have done w/ an
entire life. What did you know at 25? 3 languages, music theory at a
collegiate level, travel to 6 continents, ins and outs of flying tcp
packets, or how to roll a good joint and where to find the best pizza?
Yeah, I'm an idiot...g'head, that's a common response when people are
informed of things in which they didn't know. It smokes their itty bitty
brains.
But rather
> than answer _any_ of my points, you're more interested in a pissing
> contest.
you claimed I knew nothing about the area, I gave you a short history lesson
in Hebrew...if that's a pissing contest, I say it's a damn good one!
> Are you illiterate?
of course I am! I'm a conservativie! Therefore I dress funny and am
illiterate!
Shall I explain it to _you_? (I'm not convinced
> you even know _one_ language, much less three.)
> MY NEWSREADER DOES NOT INCLUDE HEBREW.
THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.
> Look up transliterate in a dictionary. Hint: it doesn't mean
> translation.
> Lekh l'azazel, yelad tipesh.
I've already told you I'm going to hell, but I'm nobody's idiot. L'ech
tizdayyen ben zona.
_F'leK
FleK
a couple of thoughts:
Jesse Helms is a dick, almost as much as one as you are.
Gays and lesbians didn't cause 9/11, but liberals are making it more likely
to happen again.
Rush Limbaugh can hear just fine now due to a type of cochlear transplant.
(BTW, real big of you to make fun of someone's personal malady).
You must have a new liberal guru, you used to be of the other persuasion.
That's why I never spoke to you much, nor cared if you were in agreement,
you seem like a mentally weak person that agrees with whatever the last guy
they talked to told you. I know people like you, and I don't like any of
them.
Oh, btw, I think that was Pat Robertson (another dick) that made the comment
about the 'gays and lesbians'...but that's okay, you're a pseudo-liberal
now, you don't have all that 'facts' baggage anymore!
...now we get to read you 2 more times!:
_FleK
"surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Mike Sullivan
FleK wrote:
> "Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote in message
> news:3ce4c123....@nntp.cts.com...
snip
>
>
> I know a bit about the area. You're making wild claims about this just
> because you disagree with the conclusion I come to, not the way in which I
> come up with it. Therefore, you're claiming I'm stupid... I'm an
> intelligent guy, I've done more in 25 years that most folks have done w/ an
> entire life. What did you know at 25? 3 languages, music theory at a
> collegiate level, travel to 6 continents, ins and outs of flying tcp
> packets, or how to roll a good joint and where to find the best pizza?
> Yeah, I'm an idiot...g'head, that's a common response when people are
> informed of things in which they didn't know. It smokes their itty bitty
> brains.
>
damn, I didn't know you were so young. 25?
I apologize then for my comments about your ignorance. Next time
we'll humor you when you make claims like the below.
'The Indians were savages and cannabils.'
BTW, I agree you've done a lot in 25 yrs, and I get back to
the point from a couple months back, so has Johnny Taliban.
Experience alone doesn't provide you with the ability to
discourse resonably, or understand the world intelligently.
good surfing
Mike
.
FleK
"Mike Sullivan" <su...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:3CE53FD6...@forsythe.stanford.edu...
>
> Experience alone doesn't provide you with the ability to
> discourse resonably, or understand the world intelligently.
>
that it was expirence in the area in which I was confronted. So, well, I
gave examples thusly.
_FleK
Tom Keener
wrote:
>"Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote in message
>news:3ce4c123....@nntp.cts.com...
>> On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:58:12 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
>>
>> Of course, we couldn't have a thread without you falling back on your
>> knee-jerk anti-liberal myopia.
>
>Face it, you know it as well as I do, if liberals were in charge they would
>have been more concerened about the environmental impact of 9/11 than either
>the national tradgedy or the realization that we're in a fight for our
>civilization.
If liberals were in charge, they just _might_ not have ignored the
warnings the way Bush did. (BTW, spelling meister, "tragedy" only has
one "d".)
>>Have you _ever_ had an independant
>> thought that wasn't fed to you by your conservative gurus?
>
>(being whispered to in hear by conservative 'gurus'), no not at all!
^^^^ <that should be "here">
>Ohwait, I wasn't listening, what was the question? Tom, you disagree with
>almost everything I say,
No, I don't. I ignore almost everything you say. Most of it is
irrelevant crap about which I couldn't care less. Only rarely, (were
it only more so,) I get sucked into responding to some of your
blather.
>Do you get
>> paid for every time you attack liberals? I'll bet you're convinced the
>> floods are a liberal's fault, too.
>
>You think liberals are harmless tree-sitters, protesting against big, evil
>corps.
You don't know what I think. That's part of the problem. you're so
polarized, you automatically lump anyone who challenges your view into
the big, bad, liberal trash bin. Nothing I've said in this thread
could be construed as either left or right leaning, and I'm really
curious as to what statement I made that leads you to that conclusion.
Mike Sullivan
FleK wrote:
Generally when a youngster has a set of rich and unique
experiences, sometimes they can challenge the old fart
world view with a unique, interesting, and fresh perspective
unencumbered by having to deal with a preponderance of
cultural indoctrination.
You don't, though, you have a lockstep rightwing POV
using the popular dittohead language which is why you
get no cred, but you do get a lot of attention.
It's NOT the rightwing nature, it's the marching to that same
tune as so many other of the manipulated white male
testosterone set that's cruisinfor a bruisin. Left wing
pedantics are just as bad, it's not
the POV, it's the thoughtlessness behind it..
Mike
FleK
> It's NOT the rightwing nature, it's the marching to that same
> tune as so many other of the manipulated white male
> testosterone set that's cruisinfor a bruisin. Left wing
> pedantics are just as bad, it's not
> the POV, it's the thoughtlessness behind it..
>
I was a liberal until about 4 years ago. I think I started seeing clearly
when I was pointed to by my President and lied to. Well, that and the fact
that and the Torricelli docterine amputated the right arm of our intel.
gathering wing.
I love it how campus liberals call people with real world expirence
(regardless of age) stupid. If you think I march lock-step w/ the
Republican party, you've got a shock coming to you... Of course, you're too
busy being troubled by the obvious truths in what I say, so busy in fact
that all your energies wind up in making excuses of why I say the things
that I say.
PSSST: don't insult me, or yourself by thinking I'm spoonfed with ideas.
Matter of fact, I disagree on more important things with our
Republican-Conservative President that anyone in here. (he's dumb, he
doesn't talk well! doesn't count)
And who's manipulated? Conservativism tells us to charge it for yourself,
and don't wait around for someone else to do it. They say basically that:
"life is tough, get a crash helmet.". OTOH, liberals say that it's always
"[insert any entity here]'s fault.
To accept responsibility for yourself is liberating, but can be scary as
hell. So scary, in fact, that you'd tell your fellow man that he's a 'white
male, testosterone-fuled honkey white, rich, white religious zealot white
boy!'. (BTW, nothing wrong w/ testosterone, you should try it some time!).
_FleK
FleK
"Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote in message
>>Nothing I've said in this thread
> could be construed as either left or right leaning, and I'm really
> curious as to what statement I made that leads you to that conclusion.
(he then answers his own question)
> If liberals were in charge, they just _might_ not have ignored the
> warnings the way Bush did.
Warnings, let's talk about those:
http://wire.ap.org/APnews/?SITE=FLROC&FRONTID=HOME
WASHINGTON (AP) - Exactly two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, a federal
report warned the executive branch that Osama bin Laden's terrorists might
hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon or other government
building.
Now let's talk about accountability:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134349473_sudan04.html
WASHINGTON - The government of Sudan offered in the early spring of 1996 to
arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody, according to
officials and former officials in all three countries. (the Clinton admin.
turned it down on 'lack of evidence, nevermind the Khobar towers bombing).
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html
MANILA, Philippines (CNN) -- The FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist
plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA
headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN.
(see my earlier post referencing the Phillippienes)
Moreover, as bragged by Bin Laden, not even all the hijackers knew their
fate. The hijackers THEMSELVES did not know until just before the
operation.
Let me tell you something just on a personal note. Intel from the Arab
world is ever hardly worth its weight in duck down. Arabs are as a culture,
the most professional and institutional liars that I have ever encountered.
Lies are regurgitated and swallowed with the ferver of a hungry baby duck.
I am aware that inaccuracies run rampant all over the place, and when you're
in the intel. field there's a definately s/n ratio. That ratio is so
different in the Arab world you hardly know what to believe. The Arab world
is definately a place where up is down and down is up. You know, just as
one small example, I remember when staying in Bahrain in 1998, an old rusty
water tower fell during a sandstorm across the bridge in Saudi. The Saudi
government-sponsered press called it an "Israeli terrorist operation". This
is Saudi, our 'friends', the same ones who still cut off hands for simple
shoplifting, stone women for being raped (while letting the men go for 'lack
of evidence')...and keep non-muslims in an underground dungeon in Riydah,
where you can hear them wail from a nearby Baskin-Robbins. Their crime I
was told was running an underground Christian church.
That's okay though, we may think we're the bastion of freedom, but
really...we're the bad guys, just remember that.
_FleK(ohya, and I'm an idiot that has no clue what I'm talking about)
george_of_the_jungle
<greywo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The US has maintained military aid to Israel at the rate of ~$2 billion
>annually since then. I doubt that anyone in Congress remembers why we
>started....
Au contraire. They know. Here's a question for you. Where was the
Israeli air force founded?
>
>In the meanwhile, the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and other oil-rich Arab states
>manage their military affairs like capitalists: they BUY their stuff
>from us, instead of being on the dole like Israel is.
>
>The ironies are astonishing. So is Flek's ignorance.
Nah, Fleck's ignorance is as common as cow pies in Texas.
FleK
news:3ce552ee...@news.aloha.net...
>The ironies are astonishing. So is Flek's ignorance.
>
> Nah, Fleck's ignorance is as common as cow pies in Texas.
>
here's my favorite IAF story:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/Osirak.html
_FleK
surfgeo
quickly and hit "post"? i am so sorry i didnt proof it. i'll try to
do better.
by the way, Ptolemy discovered the earth was round in the second
century AD. the christians couldn't handle the truth, though, sorta
like you, eh?
On Fri, 17 May 2002 15:32:36 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
wrote:
FleK
2, who shit in your cornflakes? were you 'touched' by a priest lately?
3, I answered you, now tell me this: In light of the fact that we're
obviously terrorists who deserved the massacre of Sept. 11, what *should* we
do.
How should we fight the war on terror, or should we not fight it at
all...It's in your hands what do you do? Points taken off for actions that
lead to further attacks.
_FleK
"surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:a5paeuk7i8vvif4ok...@4ax.com...
surfgeo
wrote:
>wow, did you really think that was so good you needed to post it twice...?
>a couple of thoughts:
>
>Jesse Helms is a dick, almost as much as one as you are.
>
>Gays and lesbians didn't cause 9/11, but liberals are making it more likely
>to happen again.
>
>Rush Limbaugh can hear just fine now due to a type of cochlear transplant.
>(BTW, real big of you to make fun of someone's personal malady).
>
>You must have a new liberal guru, you used to be of the other persuasion.
>That's why I never spoke to you much, nor cared if you were in agreement,
>you seem like a mentally weak person that agrees with whatever the last guy
>they talked to told you. I know people like you, and I don't like any of
>them.
>
>Oh, btw, I think that was Pat Robertson (another dick) that made the comment
>about the 'gays and lesbians'...but that's okay, you're a pseudo-liberal
>now, you don't have all that 'facts' baggage anymore!
>
flekkie boy, you are so right (and i dont mean correct) that 99% of
the population is to the left of you, including moderates like myself.
you just "think" i used to be conservative because in the discussions
at the time my more moderate view was not what the liberals wanted to
hear.
you see, i am a moderate because i look at the facts and form my own
opinion, which is rarely in line with the far right or the far left.
i dont listen to any liberal or conservative guru.
have you noticed yet that ZERO people agreed with any of your
rantings? thats because they think for themselves too.
surfgeo - AS's only "psuedo liberal" !!!
>...now we get to read you 2 more times!:
>
>_FleK
ohhhh, geeeee, i am sorry if i was having connection problems during a
thunderstorm. i was getting sending errors and couldn't tell if the
post was going because it took 1/2 hour show on my server.
surfgeo
wrote:
>That's okay though, we may think we're the bastion of freedom, but
>really...we're the bad guys, just remember that.
flek, why does EVERYTHING have to be black or white to you? can you
see no middle ground?
we ARE the bastion of freedom, and definitely the best government and
society to live in and i feel lucky i am an american.
but we are NOT perfect, never have been, and never will be. we have
committed gross atrocities in recent history, but you think its ok to
kill innocent civilians when its to our advantage (not the same as for
survival). when we dont agree with you, you turn it around like a
whiny 6 yr old and and sarcastically admit we are the worst
cicilization ever known.
for petes sake, open your mind a teeny bit, you might like what you
see. 1/2 of the population wont be your adversaries anymore.
"we satisfy our endless needs
and justify our bloody deeds
in the name of destiny
and in the name of god"
i think that little jewel there by don henly says it all
FleK
I'm AGHAST!!!!
_FleK
"surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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surfgeo
wrote:
>1, I'm not a Christian, and it's none of your fucking business anyway.
talk about shit in your cornflakes, settle down there tiger, i never
said you were a christian or anything of the sort. i merely stated
that they couldnt handle the truth, sorta like you cant here.
>
>2, who shit in your cornflakes? were you 'touched' by a priest lately?
>
>3, I answered you, now tell me this: In light of the fact that we're
>obviously terrorists who deserved the massacre of Sept. 11, what *should* we
>do.
first of all, i never said we deserved it. i merely pointed out that
we fit the definition of terrorist as YOU yourself defined.
>
>How should we fight the war on terror, or should we not fight it at
>all...It's in your hands what do you do? Points taken off for actions that
>lead to further attacks.
i would force israel to grant the palestinians a separate state, and
return all lands taken in the 6 day war.
in an extreme view, if it were my call, i would dismantle israel
totally, and send all the jews back to their former homes in europe.
but thats hardly practical, and certainly not politically correct
considering all of the ties jews have in US interests. ;-)
surfgeo
wrote:
>
>
>let's drop the dramatics, 'hundreds of thousands' is an exageration.
>Hundred (singular) thousand is probably more appropriate. Further, there
>was declared war, with civilians being targeted actively on both sides.
>Siting a moral equivalency between the US in 1945 and Palestinian terrorist
>is below even you, Gibson.
>
>
>
>Well, it was a little more complex than that, but I'll keep it short: The
>Indians were savages and cannibils.
ummmmm flek, its "cannibals". now, who said something about
misspelling words you are pretending to know something
about???????????
FleK
> ummmmm flek, its "cannibals". now, who said something about
> misspelling words you are pretending to know something
> about???????????
now, I know it's easy, but quit playing severaly dumb. You know it stung
when you said: "thats why you believe that galaleo
was the first to believe the world is round".
you were claiming to know something about good ol' "galaleo", and you
misspelled it...you get the funny don't you?
Have a sense of humor man :D
_FleK
surfgeo
wrote:
>"surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote in message
>news:7psaeukqejirid8u9...@4ax.com...
>
>> ummmmm flek, its "cannibals". now, who said something about
>> misspelling words you are pretending to know something
>> about???????????
>
>now, I know it's easy, but quit playing severaly dumb.
you did that on purpose, right? please tell us you did anyway
> You know it stung
>when you said: "thats why you believe that galaleo
>was the first to believe the world is round".
>
>you were claiming to know something about good ol' "galaleo", and you
>misspelled it...you get the funny don't you?
noooo...i wasn't pretending to know anything about the man. remember,
it was Ptolemy that discovered the earth was round
surfgeo
wrote:
>
>
>let's drop the dramatics, 'hundreds of thousands' is an exageration.
>Hundred (singular) thousand is probably more appropriate.
why do you continue to blab out about things you dont know?
The death toll of Hiroshima was approximately 140,000. Nagasaki
approximately 70,000..
do the math
> Further, there
>was declared war, with civilians being targeted actively on both sides.
where were the japanese targeting US civilians???
FleK
>
> you did that on purpose, right? please tell us you did anyway
>
Ya, pay attention to the 'sense of humor line'...
>
> noooo...i wasn't pretending to know anything about the man. remember,
> it was Ptolemy that discovered the earth was round
PSSST, Pythagoras, a greek guy said it about 600 years before Ptolemy was
born :P Further, there are cave drawings showing that all sorts of
cave-guys had all sorts of ideas.
Which brings us to an obvious question: are you ever right about
anything????
_FleK
Mike Sullivan
FleK wrote:
> "Mike Sullivan" <su...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:3CE54C0C...@forsythe.stanford.edu...
>
> > It's NOT the rightwing nature, it's the marching to that same
> > tune as so many other of the manipulated white male
> > testosterone set that's cruisinfor a bruisin. Left wing
> > pedantics are just as bad, it's not
> > the POV, it's the thoughtlessness behind it..
> >
>
snip. This is too funny.
> PSSST: don't insult me, or yourself by thinking I'm spoonfed with ideas.
> Matter of fact, I disagree on more important things with our
> Republican-Conservative President that anyone in here. (he's dumb, he
> doesn't talk well! doesn't count)
LOL. the 'definition of a Liberal' script...
and then.....
>
> And who's manipulated? Conservativism tells us to charge it for yourself,
> and don't wait around for someone else to do it. They say basically that:
> "life is tough, get a crash helmet.". OTOH, liberals say that it's always
> "[insert any entity here]'s fault.
>
> To accept responsibility for yourself is liberating, but can be scary as
> hell. So scary, in fact, that you'd tell your fellow man that he's a 'white
> male, testosterone-fuled honkey white, rich, white religious zealot white
It's a goddamned ballet, I tell ya, lookat them tights and tutus!
It''s just about time for the 'troll card'. Remember that I
predicted it in my first response to this thread.
>
> boy!'. (BTW, nothing wrong w/ testosterone, you should try it some time!).
nope, nothing at all. It's just that the level of thinking that arises
from it has nothing to offer. It's a handy tool if you want to
get someone to blow themselves up crashing into a building.
you'll grow out of it too someday.
Mike
surfgeo
wrote:
>surfgeo <sur...@ev1.net> wrote:
>> think about this, clueless - ever think that maybe i typed it out too
>> quickly and hit "post"? i am so sorry i didnt proof it. i'll try to
>> do better.
>
>> by the way, Ptolemy discovered the earth was round in the second
>> century AD. the christians couldn't handle the truth, though, sorta
>> like you, eh?
>
>The ancient Greeks knew the world was round and even estimated its
>circumference from the 'sailing ship' effect (the ship disappears
>as it sails further away from you b/c the world is round). There are
>probably even earlier claims.
>
>Copernicus, not Galileo, is largely responsible for the current
>belief that the earth revolves around the sun. He is probably not
>the first to have thought it, but his publications in 1543 were
>the first thing scientists of his era could build from.
>
>Galileo is the father of the scientific method, and died under house
>arrest from the Pope for writing about the earth revolving around the
>sun. His work followed Copernicus by only a few decades, and was quite
>influential in convincing following scientists that he was correct. He
>also published in Italian (the common language) and not Latin (the
>language of scholars). Unfortunately, he lived in Italy, and was subject
>to the Pope's rule .I think Copernicus was Polish, although he worked
>in other countries.
>
>Ptolemy is largely responsible for the set of orbital cycles/epicycles
>that were modern astronomy until Copernicus came along. He believed
>the sun revolved around the earth.
exactly. he was a greek who lived in egypt, (not to be confused with
the line of egyptian kings also named ptolemy.) from his observations
of the gibbeous/crescent transition of lunar phases versus the
crescent shape seen during an eclipse, he deduced that the earth was
round. he thus devised the ancestor to latitude and longitude,
using 360 degrees as the increment for longituded, and devised the
first method of projecting the spherical surface on a flat plane.
>
>A good book on all this is the Copernicus Revolution by Thomas Kuhn.
DOPE@odol.com SURF DOPE
FleK wrote in message ...
>
>[...] death [...] military action [...] war [...]
Like, check it:
No Blood For Oil!
No Medeval Crusade!
Peace Now, 2002!
US Out of Everywhere!
Blessed Are The Peacemakers!
War Is Un-American!
Give Peace a Chance, Again!!!!!!
l8tr
-
my heroes are Festus, Foon, Lemming and Jim Farley
superfly®
"surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote
surfgeo
wrote:
close flek, but not quite worth the cigar. i'll quote
"Almost 2000 years before Columbus was born, these ancient Greeks
argued that because the moon was a shpere and the sun was a sphere,
the Earth should be a sphere. "
they "assumed" the earth was a sphere, but did not scientifically
arrive at that deduction. a minor difference, perhaps
surfgeo
wrote:
wow, like surfdope, i admire your choice in heroes! can we add jimmuh
carter to that list?
surfgeo
dont confuse me with that, i am blatantly anti-nazi. i am just saying
give the jews back their various homes back in the countries that
hitler forced them to leave. then the palestinians will have the
homeland back that they were forced to leave. BIG difference.
very utopian and obviously impractical i admit, but it "would" solve
the problem.
hitler sure farked everything up, didn't he? he is probably laughing
like hell at us from the other side - his genocidal rampage has given
us a continuing delimna. the sorry bastard. saddam only wished his
torching of the kuwait oil wells as he left the area would have given
us such long-lasting fits....
KR
"SURF DOPE" <SURF DO...@odol.com> wrote in message
news:vBfF8.706$q4.2...@newsfeed.avtel.net...
> WHOH FLEK-DUDE!!!
>
> FleK wrote in message ...
> >
> >[...] death [...] military action [...] war [...]
>
> Like, check it:
>
> No Blood For Oil!
I was in college during the gulf war. A handful of campus tree-huggers decided
to protest against US involvement. So, they drove the farking cars from Vermont
to Washington DC to protest what they called a war over oil.
Stupid fuckers. If you truly believe that the war is over oil. And you believe
that that is wrong. Then you must walk to Washington.
-KR
FleK
> "surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote
> > in an extreme view, if it were my call, i would dismantle israel
> > totally, and send all the jews back to their former homes in europe.
> > but thats hardly practical, and certainly not politically correct
> > considering all of the ties jews have in US interests. ;-)
>
>
living on the 'fertile crescent'!
BWAH!
_FleK
surfgeo
wrote:
>1, I'm not a Christian, and it's none of your fucking business anyway.
>
sorry about that, flekstein. i forgot to add 2 + 2 when you were
speaking hebrew earlier
FleK
>
> FleK wrote in message ...
> >
> >[...] death [...] military action [...] war [...]
>
> Like, check it:
>
<snip plea for peace>
I believe in certain times (such as the time we see now) there cannot be
peace without first, victory. The same set of circumstances prevailed
during WWII. I don't like it more than anybody else (hell, I'm active
reserve, Im a phonecall away from fatigues and a rifle), but there it is.
One side must win, then dictate the *terms of peace* before we see peace
again. I vote that we do what it takes to win, and swiftly.
I see it like this: either we retract from the rest of the world and all
become devout Muslims (shredding the Constitution in favor of Islamic
law--it's worked so well everywhere else), or we fight. In the middle, we
continue being on the 'getting' end of suicide attacks by despots. I say
"no more!", we are responsible to the next generation to clean this problem
up.
_FleK
FleK
"superfly®" <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote in message
news:ueb1hl9...@corp.supernews.com...
> You were born 60 years too late and missed the Third Reich.
>
Seig Heil Gibson!
_FleK
FleK
>
> they "assumed" the earth was a sphere, but did not scientifically
> arrive at that deduction. a minor difference, perhaps
>
about *something*, I'd pull that out as well.
_FleK
FleK
> >was declared war, with civilians being targeted actively on both sides.
>
> where were the japanese targeting US civilians???
>
Another interesting tidbit, here's an account of a Hiroshima survivor. She
testifies that the US dropped leaflets warning the citizens. I knew this
was fact, but I have not been able to find a cite (you would have continued
personal insults, you will anyway, but here the record shows that there's
proof).
Checkit:
Q. First of all, I thank you so much for sharing so much with us. There was
no warning whatsoever. Had the Allies warned Japan, could that have stopped
the war? Would that be enough?
A. Well... there were a couple of times some warnings from flyers from the
air. But those were immediately collected and confiscated by the army, taken
away from the citizens. When you looked at the newspapers, every day so many
enemy planes had been shot down, how many ships were sunk, lots of positive
news all over the papers. But of course, we felt some sort of uneasiness, a
sensation that we were losing the war. In June 1944, Okinawa was invaded by
the Americans and we were told by people who took refuge in tunnels were
killed by fire, flame throwers. We were educated not to submit ourselves. We
should rather kill ourselves. We had in a way been warned by the US throwing
papers to notify us that we had to evacuate but, of course, these papers
were immediately collected by the government. And on the other hand, the
government was saying that we're doing all right. But the people heard that
we were not doing all right.
B-B-B-B-But WAIT IT GETS WORSE!!!!
Q. We are all very impressed by the friendliness of all Japanese people we
met in this last week. After the bomb you had seven years of American
occupation. That must have been equally a difficult time and there still
must be some resentment among the Japanese people for what the US did.....
A. When the thing happened in 1945 I was 14 years old. My thinking changed
completely, 180 degrees. Then, I had certain feelings of distrust towards
our teachers and the people that used to teach us. In the course of studying
history, I came to a much clearer understanding that what Japan did was
wrong. Of course, a lot of things happened during the occupation and since
then, too. But we learned a lot of positive things from the US and other
countries. As I was saying earlier, we could share. So, there is no enemy.
cite from:
http://history1900s.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.una%2Du
k.org/Action/survivor.html
Is there not one thing you've said I haven't completely dismantled, using
facts and citing evidence???
_FleK
FleK
> On Fri, 17 May 2002 15:37:40 -0700, "superfly®"
> <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote:
>
> dont confuse me with that, i am blatantly anti-nazi. i am just saying
> give the jews back their various homes back in the countries that
> hitler forced them to leave.
They were there because the Romans forced them to leave what is basically
now Israel....so now we see how far back your grasp of history goes...
Dumbass, guess why the land is named Judea. Sorry to get persoal, but
hayzoos man, get ahold of yourself! You're puking misinformation like a
bulemic Al Qaeida prisoner.
>then the palestinians will have the
> homeland back that they were forced to leave. BIG difference.
those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
>
> very utopian and obviously impractical i admit, but it "would" solve
> the problem.
>
no it wouldn't, see above.
_FleK
FleK
...So if there were any question of wether you were anti-Semitic before,
there is none now.
Thanks buddy.
_FleK
surfgeo
wrote:
>
>"surfgeo" <sur...@ev1.net> wrote in message
>news:n02beu0pu7nenvpls...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 17 May 2002 15:37:40 -0700, "superfly®"
>> <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote:
>>
>> dont confuse me with that, i am blatantly anti-nazi. i am just saying
>> give the jews back their various homes back in the countries that
>> hitler forced them to leave.
>
>They were there because the Romans forced them to leave what is basically
>now Israel....so now we see how far back your grasp of history goes...
>Dumbass, guess why the land is named Judea. Sorry to get persoal, but
>hayzoos man, get ahold of yourself! You're puking misinformation like a
>bulemic Al Qaeida prisoner.
no duhhh. but the romans running out the jews did not beget decades
of strife like we now see. the allies running out the palestinians
in ww2, however, DID beget the crap we have now.
see the difference flewk?
>
>>then the palestinians will have the
>> homeland back that they were forced to leave. BIG difference.
>
>those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
>
umm...didnt i say that in the beginning of this thread? remember? of
course not, you ignore the facts.
SurfSarge
>>They were there because the Romans forced them to leave what is basically
>>now Israel....
Can you guys take this to E-mail?
Geo what happened to the swell?
-PD
surfgeo
wrote:
how is that anti semitic? please explain.
there is nothing derogatory in that statment. would it be anti-latino
if you had spoke spanish and i called you senor flek? or anti german
if you spoke german and i called you flekmeister?
shhhesh, and YOU have the nerve to call me on not having humor. flek,
you take the cake buddy.
>Thanks buddy.
>
>_FleK
>
no, thank YOU. for continuing to prove that you are everything you
accuse everyone else of being. i'll let you wallow in this little pig
sty you created for yourself now. i cant wait to see how many posts
you put up with no replies.
surfgeo
"the heroes of my life are jerry seinfeld, bob dylan, and art
garfunkel"
surfgeo
wrote:
what makes you think i want to trade emails with a dittohead? i'd
rather poke my eyes out (a little flek-humorlingo there)
no swell this weekend, perhaps tuesday....
rodNDtube
> FleK <flek...@nocfl.rr.comspam> wrote:
> > Rush Limbaugh can hear just fine now due to a type of cochlear transplant.
> > (BTW, real big of you to make fun of someone's personal malady).
>
> Actually, it is a cochlear implant based on licensed technology from
> our group at UCSF (that work was done before I arrived).
>
> --
> Dave Blake
> dbl...@phy.ucsf.edu
You're trying to tell us that Rush is an Ocean Beach longboarder? Figures
:)
Rod Rodgers
eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html
rodNDtube
> On Fri, 17 May 2002 16:17:49 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >"Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote in message
> >news:3ce4c123....@nntp.cts.com...
> >> On Thu, 16 May 2002 19:58:12 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
> >>
> >> Of course, we couldn't have a thread without you falling back on your
> >> knee-jerk anti-liberal myopia.
> >
> >Face it, you know it as well as I do, if liberals were in charge they would
> >have been more concerened about the environmental impact of 9/11 than either
> >the national tradgedy or the realization that we're in a fight for our
> >civilization.
>
> If liberals were in charge, they just _might_ not have ignored the
> warnings the way Bush did. (BTW, spelling meister, "tragedy" only has
> one "d".)
Liberal or conservative does not always matter. FWIW, there was plenty of
advance notice on the general and specific elements of the WTC/Pentagon
threat. But the nature of this threat was too low tech and did not fit
into the general framework of a missile delivery system for weapons of
mass destruction (WMD) of a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear
(CBRN) nature... aka the need for a Star Wars missile defense system.
FleK
>
> no duhhh. but the romans running out the jews did not beget decades
> of strife like we now see. the allies running out the palestinians
> in ww2, however, DID beget the crap we have now.
> see the difference flewk?
>
everytime they get dissed, we should reward them by scattering them to the
wind?
> >those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
> >
> umm...didnt i say that in the beginning of this thread? remember? of
> course not, you ignore the facts.
Yeah, you said it, then proceeded to do it! HAR!
How's that little moustasche working out?
http://home.cfl.rr.com/flek/heil_gibson.jpg
_FleK
FleK
> rather poke my eyes out (a little flek-humorlingo there)
>
m=b6t90t4p6ai6sfn8tkvee48bjo91s0ne7s%404ax.com&rnum=1
rodNDtube
It's like the Jewsey boys (Guidos) fighting over Bradley Beach with the
Maryland boys (Blue Bloods) over a bunch of beach breaks, but the Blues
thinking they own Long Island as well :)
SurfSarge
>> >>They were there because the Romans forced them to leave what is basically
>> >>now Israel....
>>
>> Can you guys take this to E-mail?
>> Geo what happened to the swell?
>> -PD
>
>It's like the Jewsey boys
I didn't know you was a racist..hmm
(Guidos) fighting over Bradley Beach with the
>Maryland boys (Blue Bloods) over a bunch of beach breaks, but the Blues
>thinking they own Long Island as well :)
There's no argument there...everyone knows we have wayyy better surf! End.
>Rod Rodgers
>eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
>Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
>GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html
-PD
rodNDtube
end
On 18 May 2002, SurfSarge wrote:
> rodNDtube wrote:
>
> >> >>They were there because the Romans forced them to leave what is basically
> >> >>now Israel....
> >>
> >> Can you guys take this to E-mail?
> >> Geo what happened to the swell?
> >> -PD
> >
> >It's like the Jewsey boys
>
> I didn't know you was a racist..hmm
>
> (Guidos) fighting over Bradley Beach with the
> >Maryland boys (Blue Bloods) over a bunch of beach breaks, but the Blues
> >thinking they own Long Island as well :)
>
> There's no argument there...everyone knows we have wayyy better surf! End.
The Jewsey Boys do! That's why we covet their spots!!! It's all about
waves, not oil!!! Now pass me a bagel and lox.
Nosurfatu
> "SURF DOPE" <SURF DO...@odol.com> wrote in message
> news:vBfF8.706$q4.2...@newsfeed.avtel.net...
> > WHOH FLEK-DUDE!!!
>
> I was in college during the gulf war. A handful of campus tree-huggers decided
> to protest against US involvement. So, they drove the farking cars from
> Vermont
> to Washington DC to protest what they called a war over oil.
> Stupid fuckers. If you truly believe that the war is over oil. And you believe
> that that is wrong. Then you must walk to Washington.
>
> -KR
Fuckin 'A, Bubba. Better yet, why don't you try a little diplomacy, DOPE?
Take a ride on the peace train! Trot yer ass over to the Middle East and
foist your American ethics, your American morals and your American dollars
on them to show 'em what solidarity is all about. So many of the idealist
peace-niks are so damn ethnocentric they think that the whole world has the
same views as Americans. "Turn the other cheek", they say. Which in our
society, is seen as a sign of strength. In this campaign, to turn the other
cheek, is looked upon by the opposition as weakness, not conciliation. Before
you judge a man, walk in his shoes. Do what Pete Amschel talked about, and
go see the culture for yourself; learn firsthand that there are morals and
ethics that are beyond your comprehension. Go witness Muharram in the back
streets of a Shi'ite village. That ought to be an eye-opener.
Now, I am not a war-monger, or a hater of Islam. I am a hater of unjust
violence. To me, having experienced the opposing culture firsthand,
retaliation is the only option. Anything less would be, in my
ethnocentric opinion, phlegmatic.
--noSURFatu
FleK
"Nosurfatu" <nosur...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:75a342ed.02051...@posting.google.com...
.
>
> Now, I am not a war-monger, or a hater of Islam. I am a hater of unjust
> violence. To me, having experienced the opposing culture firsthand,
> retaliation is the only option. Anything less would be, in my
> ethnocentric opinion, phlegmatic.
>
> --noSURFatu
...So well put, this thread doesn't deserve it.
_FleK
Snorky the BitFlipper
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
> (BTW, real big of you to make fun of someone's personal malady).
Not that YOU would ever stoop to that.... shall I dig up some quotes
from Chairman Flake in which he makes fun of someone's personal malady?
--
- gw
"A diamond is a lump of coal that stuck around to finish the job"
M.Forbes
Snorky the BitFlipper
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
When do we get to vote on the ASKOTY? I have a nomination.
This has to be
- the funniest thread in years
- the most revealing thread ever (if you don't understand Flek now, you
never will)
- the most OT thread ever
Snorky the BitFlipper
says...
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 03:15:37 GMT, "FleK" <flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
> >let's drop the dramatics, 'hundreds of thousands' is an exageration.
> >Hundred (singular) thousand is probably more appropriate.
>
> why do you continue to blab out about things you dont know?
> The death toll of Hiroshima was approximately 140,000. Nagasaki
> approximately 70,000..
>
> do the math
>
>
> > Further, there
> >was declared war, with civilians being targeted actively on both sides.
>
> where were the japanese targeting US civilians???
I'll take that one. During WWII the Japanese launched thousands of bomb-
carrying paper and/or silk (really!) hot-air balloons and hydrogen
balloons. Those balloons were launched into the jet stream, knowing that
they would most likely land on the Continental US. The Japanese hoped,
among other things, to ignite forests here, causing extensive damage -
and panic our citizens.
One actually accomplished its goal: it killed several children and a
minister's wife in Southern Oregon when the kids on a Sunday school
outing found one of the balloons.
Interestingly, making the paper balloons was a patriotic activity
performed by japanese school children. They made the balloons; the
military armed and launched the weapons.
These articles discuss some of it:
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo.htm
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0298/bombsb.htm
The point is that these weapons were intended to target civilians and
other non-military objectives, and to demoralize the US citizenry.
Special note to Flek: this all simply facts, with no opinions involved.
Draw your own conclusions.
Snorky the BitFlipper
flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
> Is there not one thing you've said I haven't completely dismantled, using
> facts and citing evidence???
You haven't dismantled anything that anyone has said. This is the first
post in this thread where you actually had some facts.... but they don't
counter what anyone has said. Your facts are good, but irrelevant.
Boy genius strikes again.
Snorky the BitFlipper
That pretty well sums it up: in the Gospel According to Flek, either
WE ALL BECOME MUSLIMS
or
WE FIGHT
Such insight! Such understanding of the past and of the present! Let's
see.... you'll be eligible to be President in what, 2012.... assuming
that we don't ALL BECOME MUSLIMS first.
FleK
"Snorky the BitFlipper" <greywo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.174f7902e...@news.earthlink.net...
> In article <ecgF8.516437$K52.87...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>,
> flek...@NOcfl.rr.comSPAM says...
>
> When do we get to vote on the ASKOTY? I have a nomination.
>
> This has to be
> - the funniest thread in years
funny? alot of things, but not funny.
> - the most revealing thread ever (if you don't understand Flek now, you
> never will)
if you never thought you were my little bitch, you do now
> - the most OT thread ever
agreed, let's nuke it.
_FleK