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teknokrat

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Jul 1, 2003, 7:07:04 AM7/1/03
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The release notes say i have to uninstall my 1.3 mozilla before
installing 1.4. However i have a large number of plugins/extensions not
to mention all my settings. Will they all be lost? Do i have to
reinstall everything from scratch? Will there ever be a less painful
upgrade path with mozilla?

thanks

us...@domain.invalid

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Jul 1, 2003, 7:52:01 AM7/1/03
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there is, u should only uninstall IFF u face problems. Try to install
1.4 over 1.3 like I did (no problems)

Rune

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Jul 1, 2003, 4:53:39 PM7/1/03
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us...@domain.invalid wrote:

> there is, u should only uninstall IFF u face problems. Try to install
> 1.4 over 1.3 like I did (no problems)
>

Yeah, just install over the old version.

I've been with mozilla from 1.0 and i've only clean installed once or twice (long time ago now). I've installed like 100 nightlies over the an one, and installed old versions over nightlies when problems occoured. It's amazing that it just works.

/Rune


Gus Richter

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Jul 1, 2003, 11:06:55 PM7/1/03
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It is advisable, in fact recommended, to uninstall first and then
install any new version.
The profiles, plugins, mail info will not be affected.

-- Gus

Eric

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Jul 1, 2003, 11:44:35 PM7/1/03
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just check http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4/README.html
"If you are experiencing crashes on startup in xpcom.dll it is very
likely that there is an incompatibility with some third-party
extension. To work around this problem, uninstall your previous
version of Mozilla, and completely delete the Mozilla install
directory before performing the new install. You will not lose your
profile data (such as bookmarks, preferences and cookies) but any
third party extensions and plugins may be lost."

--
Eric

Stan Brown

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Jul 2, 2003, 12:35:57 PM7/2/03
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In article <3F025523...@tired.of.hotmail.spam.com> in
netscape.public.mozilla.browser, Eric
<ElCa...@tired.of.hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>just check http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4/README.html
>"If you are experiencing crashes on startup in xpcom.dll it is very
>likely that there is an incompatibility with some third-party
>extension. To work around this problem, uninstall your previous
>version of Mozilla, and completely delete the Mozilla install
>directory before performing the new install. You will not lose your
>profile data (such as bookmarks, preferences and cookies) but any
>third party extensions and plugins may be lost."

Under the category of "What were they thinking?"

This business of not being to install an upgrade over the existing
program is really bad usability.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"You find yourself amusing, Blackadder."
"I try not to fly in the face of public opinion."

Michael Lefevre

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Jul 2, 2003, 12:55:38 PM7/2/03
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In article <MPG.196cd3fa8...@news.odyssey.net>, Stan Brown
wrote:

> In article <3F025523...@tired.of.hotmail.spam.com> in
> netscape.public.mozilla.browser, Eric
> <ElCa...@tired.of.hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>>just check http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4/README.html
>>"If you are experiencing crashes on startup in xpcom.dll it is very
>>likely that there is an incompatibility with some third-party
>>extension. To work around this problem, uninstall your previous
>>version of Mozilla, and completely delete the Mozilla install
>>directory before performing the new install. You will not lose your
>>profile data (such as bookmarks, preferences and cookies) but any
>>third party extensions and plugins may be lost."
>
> Under the category of "What were they thinking?"
>
> This business of not being to install an upgrade over the existing
> program is really bad usability.

You can install over the existing program. The problem is installing
over third party stuff, and that's not an easy problem to solve.

Not handling it at all is not good, and there is a fix in the pipeline
which will do something like making the installer detect a previous
install and say "this probably won't work, can I blow away your current
extensions before installing?".

Actually making the installer upgrade properly would be a whole lot more
complicated - it would have to somehow "know" about all third party
extensions, to know which ones will work with the version it is
installing, and which ones need to be upgraded to work with the new
version, or disabled if they don't...

--
Michael

Eric

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Jul 3, 2003, 9:22:18 AM7/3/03
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Stan Brown wrote:

> In article <3F025523...@tired.of.hotmail.spam.com> in
> netscape.public.mozilla.browser, Eric
> <ElCa...@tired.of.hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>
>>just check http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4/README.html
>>"If you are experiencing crashes on startup in xpcom.dll it is very
>>likely that there is an incompatibility with some third-party
>>extension. To work around this problem, uninstall your previous
>>version of Mozilla, and completely delete the Mozilla install
>>directory before performing the new install. You will not lose your
>>profile data (such as bookmarks, preferences and cookies) but any
>>third party extensions and plugins may be lost."
>
>
> Under the category of "What were they thinking?"
>
> This business of not being to install an upgrade over the existing
> program is really bad usability.

For future reference...

This is
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195600
with workaround/explanation in
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200623#c4
"Typically you can install Mozilla on top of older version. Sometimes
however, new features are implemented that break backwards
compatibility. In that case you have to uninstall Mozilla to get
things to work.

The mozilla uninstaller, uninstalls Mozilla. And only that.

If you install add-ons like spell check, enigmail, Calendar etc. they
will (a) not be uninstalled and (b) not be compatible with your new
Mozilla. [Please note that this behavior is by design because no
program should unistall items that it didn't install!].

These add-ons do not have an uninstaller and their presence brings
down Moz. To uninstall these add-ons you have to manually delete them
[clear out the Moz folder]."


The installer issue/solution is addressed by:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200651
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210731


--
Eric

teknokrat

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Jul 3, 2003, 2:06:17 PM7/3/03
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teknokrat wrote:

Installed over my 1.3. Broke everything - had to delete mozilla
directory but settings were OK (most of them anyway). Is there a plugin
manager on the horizon for mozilla? something to selectively
enable/disable/install/unistall/delete/upgrade all the extensions? The
foolish thing is that one rogue extension can bring all of mozilla
crashing down. This should not be possible - the bad extension should
just be disabled.


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