NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 11 February 2003 Lisp in New York City: Lispers gather to eat and drink
secr...@lxny.org
Great Lisp Beast. Some have even suggested that the Lisp Cabal itself has
held two Lesser Concourses on the Island of the Manahattoes. Though I have
no special knowledge, and certainly no brief to deal with such talk, I
believe that the source of these ridiculous imaginings of the photogravure
press may be the few informal meetings which have led to this:
The organization Lispers of New York City will meet openly for the first
time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out",
on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
West Side of Manhattan.
This meeting is free and open to the public.
The formal meeting will take no more than seventy-five minutes, and then
the serious drinking will commence.
Jay Sulzberger <secr...@lxny.org>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
Kenny Tilton
secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> The organization Lispers of New York City --
Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
> will meet openly for the first
> time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out"...
While flattering, if youse guys persist in this business of directing
people to "Kenny's bar", the next meeting will find lispnyks scattered
amongst P&G, Citrus, River, Time Out, Hurley's, Jake's Dilemma, Yogi's,
Blondie's...
> on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
> West Side of Manhattan.
That actually only narrows it to three of my bars. :)
Anyway, kudos to Dave Bakhash for incubating this cabal in his offices
and for bringing us together.
--
kenny tilton
clinisys, inc
http://www.tilton-technology.com/
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Greg Menke
> secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> > The organization Lispers of New York City --
>
> Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
> its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik? Wish I lived closer to NYC...
Gregm
Kenny Tilton
Greg Menke wrote:
> Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>
>>secr...@lxny.org wrote:
>>
>>>The organization Lispers of New York City --
>>
>>Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
>>its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
>
>
> Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik?
Groove on functional languages, wish for and be willing to contribute to
the reascendance of Lisp, and live close to New York.
> Wish I lived closer to NYC...
Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
"instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you like
while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar after another.
Find one other lisper in your area and get together for beers or latte.
And remember not to mention "work".
:)
Greg Menke
> Greg Menke wrote:
> > Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> >>secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> >>
> >>>The organization Lispers of New York City --
> >>
> >>Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
> >>its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
> > Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik?
>
> Groove on functional languages, wish for and be willing to contribute
> to the reascendance of Lisp, and live close to New York.
>
> > Wish I lived closer to NYC...
>
> Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> after another.
>
> Find one other lisper in your area and get together for beers or
> latte. And remember not to mention "work".
>
> :)
Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
problem is more one of naming. "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
Baltimore Lisp Users Group (BLUG) just doesn't have the right ring to
it...
;)
Gregm
Christian Lynbech
to let that exclude from that groovy lispnik designation, so I have
devised the following: I will refer to my self as a lispnik in honor
of and tribute to the original New Yorker lispniks.
Lets get a movement going ("lispnik" is so much better than "lisper").
:-)
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Christian Lynbech | email: chri...@defun.dk
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Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual.
- pet...@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)
Kenny Tilton
Greg Menke wrote:
> Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>
>>Greg Menke wrote:
>>
>>>Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>secr...@lxny.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The organization Lispers of New York City --
>>>>
>>>>Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
>>>>its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
>>>
>>>Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik?
>>
>>Groove on functional languages, wish for and be willing to contribute
>>to the reascendance of Lisp, and live close to New York.
>>
>>
>>> Wish I lived closer to NYC...
>>
>>Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
>>"instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
>>like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
>>after another.
>>
>>Find one other lisper in your area and get together for beers or
>>latte. And remember not to mention "work".
>>
>>:)
>
>
> Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
> problem is more one of naming.
Can you take over the whole state and be lispmd? Then y'all can be "lisp
doctors" or "lisp mudders". Whatever you do, keep Chevy Chase out of
this. :)
> "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
> bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
Just read Christian's post praising "lispnik", looks like we'll have to
open source the name. maybe only lispnyc members get to spell it lispnyk?
Kenny Tilton
Christian Lynbech wrote:
> I am living impossible far from New York, but is not really inclined
> to let that exclude from that groovy lispnik designation, so I have
> devised the following: I will refer to my self as a lispnik in honor
> of and tribute to the original New Yorker lispniks.
Hey, maybe we need a live video feed to the web site for virtual
members. I'm thinking camcorder, laptop, cell uplink and a steadicam arm
as the evening wears on.
LambdaCam?
Greg Menke
> Greg Menke wrote:
> > Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> >>Greg Menke wrote:
> >>
> >>:)
> > Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
> > problem is more one of naming.
>
> Can you take over the whole state and be lispmd? Then y'all can be
> "lisp doctors" or "lisp mudders". Whatever you do, keep Chevy Chase
> out of this. :)
>
> > "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
> > bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
>
> Just read Christian's post praising "lispnik", looks like we'll have
> to open source the name. maybe only lispnyc members get to spell it
> lispnyk?
That'd be fine. Lispnik has just the right mix of politics and
technology. I wonder whos going to get the first license plate?
Gregm
Arthur A. Gleckler
> Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
> problem is more one of naming. "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
> bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
> Baltimore Lisp Users Group (BLUG) just doesn't have the right ring to
> it...
I'm a Lisper/Schemer and in the San Francisco area, but am originally
from Baltimore. May I suggest LHON? "We speak Lisp, hon."
Peter Seibel
> Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> after another.
Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
-Peter
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Peter Seibel
pe...@javamonkey.com
Peter Seibel
> Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> writes:
>
> > Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> > > Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> > > "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> > > like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> > > after another.
> >
> > Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> > that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
>
> Or Lispbug's (Lisp Bay area Users Group)?
That's fine by me too. But no point coming up with a name unless
someone knows a bar that's worth going to. ;-) I'm over in Oakland
near Rockridge where there's a reasonable bar, Ben & Nick's[1] on
College Street. But I also get over to San Francisco pretty often too.
Who's in?
-Peter
[1] <http://www.pubcrawler.com/Template/ReviewWC.cfm/flat/BrewerID=101729>
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Peter Seibel
pe...@javamonkey.com
JP Massar
wrote:
>Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>> Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
>> "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
>> like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
>> after another.
>
>Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
>that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
>
I live in Berkeley.
Rob Warnock
+---------------
| Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:
| >Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
| >that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
|
| I live in Berkeley.
May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't there?)
-Rob
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Simon András
> Or Lispbug's (Lisp Bay area Users Group)?
Good, cause that leaves Lispburg (Lisp Budapest UseRs Group) for us
Lispburgers.
andras
Kenny Tilton
Xanalys. Not a big college town, but still...
...where are the lispbeanies?
Kenny Tilton
> The organization Lispers of New York City will meet openly for the first
> time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out",
> on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
> West Side of Manhattan.
>
> This meeting is free and open to the public.
>
Starting when? We have been doing 7PM at Dave's office, same time sound
good?
btw, tho Time Out loved the idea of a bucnh of hungry, thirsty lispniks
one Tuesday a month at 7PM... it occurs to me we have yet to warn them
we will be descending on them en masse tomorrow night.
I will remedy that ASAP. Would folks plz email me if you intend to
attend, with a head count if you are speaking for a set? No harm if you
miss this request, I just want to let them know if it will be five,
fifteen, or fifty.
Marc Spitzer
> secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> > The organization Lispers of New York City will meet openly for the first
> > time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out",
> > on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
> > West Side of Manhattan.
> > This meeting is free and open to the public.
>
> > The formal meeting will take no more than seventy-five minutes, ...
>
>
> Starting when? We have been doing 7PM at Dave's office, same time
> sound good?
7pm at the Time out bar
marc
Fred Gilham
> May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
> I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
> in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't
> there?)
There's some old lispers that work at Kestrel Institute and Reasoning
Systems but I don't know if they read this newsgroup.
--
Fred Gilham gil...@csl.sri.com
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Thomas F. Burdick
> Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
> > Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> > "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> > like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> > after another.
>
> Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
I'm staying in The Town -- and, incidentally, I'd prefer Lisper Nation
to Lispbug ... but I suppose that might be a little Oakland-centric.
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Peter Seibel
> rp...@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) writes:
>
> > JP Massar <mas...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > +---------------
> > | Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> > | >Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> > | >that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
> > |
> > | I live in Berkeley.
> > +---------------
> >
> > May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
> > I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
> > in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't
> > there?)
>
> Yeah, I live in Shallow Alto... PLUG would work, but would be nice
> to have a BA-wide group.
Somebody down south want to propose a meeting place that's near a
Caltrain station. Meanwhile I've got a proposal on the table for Ben
and Nick's which is about 50 feet from the Rockridge BART station in
Oakland. Anyone want to get some beers some evening this week?
Wednesday? (Just to pick a day out of a hat.) I suppose if we end up
attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
Daniel Barlow
> JP Massar <mas...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> +---------------
> | Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> | >Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> | >that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
> |
> | I live in Berkeley.
> +---------------
>
> May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
> I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
> in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't there?)
OK, this seems as good a place as any to chip in. Reacting to demand
from Lispers the world over for up-to-date information, the ALU web
committee recently decided to turn over its development site to become
a community-maintained thingy. A collection of links to local user
groups would be exactly the kind of use to which we'd like to see it
put.
I've kicked the ball off: I created the 'local' page with a
placeholder LispNYC entry. Some community-minded Lispnyk wants to go
back and fill it in. The rest of you, think of a name, think of a
bar, and add your own collective.
CLiki is a Wiki1 - there is only one namespace. So, your name is
guaranteed unique. If you change the name, put a note on the old page
and I'll go round and garbage collect eventually.
(And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
Other news from the ALU (but please note that I am not an official
spokeslisper) - there are moves afoot to resuscitate the official ALU
site too, for information that dare not be mindlessly changed by
random members of the public - constitution, board members, bylaws,
minutes etc. We'll be keeping a close eye on what goes on with the
CLiki site too - if people want to start lifting the non-official
information from the old lisp.org site, updating it for the Century of
the Fruitbat, and transplanting it, that would be useful.
Enjoy.
-dan
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Rainer Joswig
Daniel Barlow <d...@telent.net> wrote:
cool stuff. thanks.
Marc Spitzer
Gabe Garza
> I've kicked the ball off: I created the 'local' page with a
> placeholder LispNYC entry. Some community-minded Lispnyk wants to go
> back and fill it in. The rest of you, think of a name, think of a
> bar, and add your own collective.
>
> http://alu.cliki.net/Local
>
> CLiki is a Wiki1 - there is only one namespace. So, your name is
> guaranteed unique. If you change the name, put a note on the old page
> and I'll go round and garbage collect eventually.
If the ALU web site--or part of it--is going to be a subset of CLiki,
is CLiki's mission statement going to be changed to to accomodate
commercial Lisp's and non-Unix Lisps's?
ObOnTopic:
Anyone else within comfortable driving distance of Los Angeles, CA?
Gabe Garza
Rob Warnock
+---------------
| ...if we end up attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
+---------------
(*groan!*)
JP Massar
>
>Somebody down south want to propose a meeting place that's near a
>Caltrain station. Meanwhile I've got a proposal on the table for Ben
>and Nick's which is about 50 feet from the Rockridge BART station in
>Oakland. Anyone want to get some beers some evening this week?
>Wednesday? (Just to pick a day out of a hat.) I suppose if we end up
>attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
Food ?
Peter Seibel
Ingvar Mattsson
[SNIP]
> (And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
> Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
I'm in London (well, I work in London at least). Any preferences as to
where in London? There's OK pubs most everywhere, but some are more
and some are less convenient, especially now that the Central Line is
being grounded.
//Ingvar
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This haiku contains
Daniel Barlow
>> CLiki is a Wiki1 - there is only one namespace. So, your name is
>> guaranteed unique. If you change the name, put a note on the old page
>> and I'll go round and garbage collect eventually.
>
> If the ALU web site--or part of it--is going to be a subset of CLiki,
> is CLiki's mission statement going to be changed to to accomodate
> commercial Lisp's and non-Unix Lisps's?
Good question. The term "CLiki" is overloaded, which is probably
going to get confusing
* CLiki as a piece of software (which you can download and,
eventually, after much cursing, install on your own servers) is
freely usable for any purpose
* The CLiki installation at www.cliki.net continues to be for "free
software implemented in Common Lisp and available on Unix-like
systems"
* The CLiki installation at alu.cliki.net, on the other hand, is
"produced by the ALU with and on behalf of the Common Lisp users and
vendors community". Yes, that includes commercial Lisps.
In short, they're two completely different sites. You can tell by the
ghastly background colour (replacement suggestions welcome, btw).
They don't don't share pages. Eventually I hope that the ALU one will
shift to the new ALU web server, when that's running. So in that
sense, no change in the direction of CLiki is required.
What I expect to see happen is that some of the information currently
on www.cliki.net will start moving to the ALU site. For example, many
of the documents referenced on www.cliki.net are non-free(sic) and
would be better off on the ALU site - likewise some of the news about
commercial or Windows implementations is not really relevant to
www.cliki.net either, and can migrate across. Some past attempts at
"community standards" have been made on www.cliki.net, which again
might be better off in a place where people don't feel they need to buy
into some ideology to participate.
I don't yet know exactly what this is going to do to www.cliki.net in
the long term[*]. It may live on independently, or it may fizzle, or
it may end up as a view onto the ALU site showing only the pages with
a tick against "bruce perens says you won't go to hell for reading
this". I have my own plans (which don't involve it dying off just
yet), but mostly it depends on where the contributors want to take it.
[*] OK, medium term. In the long term I'm really hoping that we won't
need to be using Unix any more.
Mark Dalgarno
> (And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
> Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
a night out.
Mark
Christophe Rhodes
Bah. Why haven't I met you before?
Christophe
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Paolo Amoroso
> back and fill it in. The rest of you, think of a name, think of a
> bar, and add your own collective.
You may also want to think of a foo, a baz and a quux.
Paolo
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Ingvar Mattsson
OK, if we decide for London, there are several nice pubs within OK
travel distance from either Paddington or King's Cross.
If we decide for Cambridge, ISTR that the Panton Arms is quite OK and
also has a cool fish phone box. Or the Hopbine. Or Castle at Castle
Hill. Or, possibly, the Zebra.
For Oxford, I don't really know, not having been much in Oxford.
//Ingvar
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JP Massar
wrote:
>mas...@alum.mit.edu (JP Massar) writes:
Web page for B&N:
http://www.mrcato.com/BHome.htm
Looks unlikely to allow smoking. So what time?
Tim Bradshaw
> OK, if we decide for London, there are several nice pubs within OK
> travel distance from either Paddington or King's Cross.
> If we decide for Cambridge, ISTR that the Panton Arms is quite OK and
> also has a cool fish phone box. Or the Hopbine. Or Castle at Castle
> Hill. Or, possibly, the Zebra.
I'm not based in London or Cambridge but Edinburgh and/or Devon, but I
will be in Cambridge for (I think) the week starting 3rd March.
Alternatively (and again with careful arrangement) I can make it to
London more easily than Cambridge in general.
Maybe we should have a UK lisp group which could move its meetings
around given that there probably aren't millions of us, still less
millions who read cll. We could (maybe) host a *small* mailing list,
but we could not spamproof it (no time to install the SW), and others
could likely do it better anyway.
--tim
Peter Seibel
Pekka P. Pirinen
> I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
> easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
> a night out.
I'm in Cambridge, too. And of course Xanalys is here, at least the
part with most Lispers.
Alas, pubs here are full of smoke. Can we find somewhere at least
relatively clean? None of the Lispers I know here are smokers,
anyway.
--
Pekka P. Pirinen
Mail should be private, whether on paper or on disk. Public gatherings
should be a right, whether virtual or in person.
Kenny Tilton
Alan Krueger wrote:
> "Kenny Tilton" <kti...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3E47E405...@nyc.rr.com...
>
>>With the kind assent of the author I am forwarding this announcement to
>>perhaps more comp NGs than he assented to. (oops) Any blame for
>>over-posting must fall on me.
>>
>>My thinking is that the nascent lispnyc.org [...]
>
>
> Perilously close to 'lipsync.org'.
I like it!
>
>
>>and associated user group
>>are casting the net wide, reaching out to functional languages of all
>>kinds,
>
>
> Which is not C++.
>
So you're not coming? :) Hey, you conveniently chopped: "...and other
folks currently using imperative languages for production work but who
might well be interested in learning of Lisp's use in production
environments." tsk, tsk.
(1) C++ has a big problem (I hear) when it comes to the time required to
rebuild large apps after certain interesting changes to the source. I
hear tales of multi-hour builds. Back to the Seventies?
With Common Lisp I can crash into a backtrace, spend a couple of hours
debugging, refactoring, recompiling and then often continue from the
backtrace by picking a call frame a couple of steps higher than the
point at which things came unglued. When I re-enter the failed branch I
dynamically pick up the new function definitions (and any class
instances automatically get updated if I changed the class definition).
(2) You say C++ is not a functional language. Interesting, they took out
recursion? Too bad, because if I had to program in C/C++ I am sure I
would carry over the functional style. That's another reason someone
doing language X should play with oddball languages Y and Z. Hell, I
remember kicking ass on a Cobol project by carrying over techniques from
Basic. Learn Lisp to write better C++. But...
(3) ...C++ has had its day. Java couldn't save it.
Python is just Lisp done badly and slowly.
You might want to get Lisp on the resume.
Peace, out.
Kenny Tilton
Pekka P. Pirinen wrote:
> Mark Dalgarno <Mark_D...@scientia.com> writes:
>
>>I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
>>easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
>>a night out.
>
>
> I'm in Cambridge, too. And of course Xanalys is here, at least the
> part with most Lispers.
>
> Alas, pubs here are full of smoke. Can we find somewhere at least
> relatively clean? None of the Lispers I know here are smokers,
> anyway.
move to new york and be a lispnyk. smoking ban for all[*] bars and
restaurants by April, I think it is.
[*] bars staffed only by owners exempt
Edward O'Connor
>
> Anyone else within comfortable driving distance of Los Angeles,
> CA?
Or, better yet, San Diego?
Asks the non-driver,
Ted
--
Edward O'Connor
oco...@soe.ucsd.edu
JP Massar
wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Somebody down south want to propose a meeting place that's near a
>> >> >Caltrain station. Meanwhile I've got a proposal on the table for Ben
>> >> >and Nick's which is about 50 feet from the Rockridge BART station in
>> >> >Oakland. Anyone want to get some beers some evening this week?
>> >> >Wednesday? (Just to pick a day out of a hat.) I suppose if we end up
>> >> >attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
>> >>
>> >> Is there smoking (legal or not) in Ben and Nick's ?
>> >> Food ?
>> >
>> >Dunno about smoking. Food definitely.
>> >
>>
>> Web page for B&N:
>>
>> http://www.mrcato.com/BHome.htm
>>
>> Looks unlikely to allow smoking. So what time?
>
>7pm, Wednesday the 12th sound okay?
>
(Although to draw any people from SF or elsewhere by car,
later is better due to traffic)
Peter Seibel
Good point. I just made up that time (er, copied it from the NYC
guys). It's all the same to me. If there are folks who could make it
if it was later, speak up. Even if we start at 7:00 I, for one, can
stick around more or less forever as long as there's at least one
other person for me to hang out with.
Tim Bradshaw
> (1) C++ has a big problem (I hear) when it comes to the time required
> to rebuild large apps after certain interesting changes to the
> source. I hear tales of multi-hour builds. Back to the Seventies?
We tried to build a fairly well-known C++ CORBA ORB a while ago. The
machine was somewhat small (2xx MHz, 100-200MB memory), but still, a
week seemed excessive. We actually gave up before it completed (we
had the libs and IDL compiler which is what we needed), and I haven't
tried again on the larger machine we have now.
--tim
Ron Natalie
"Tim Bradshaw" <t...@cley.com> wrote in message news:ey3el6e...@cley.com...
> We tried to build a fairly well-known C++ CORBA ORB a while ago. The
> machine was somewhat small (2xx MHz, 100-200MB memory), but still, a
> week seemed excessive. We actually gave up before it completed (we
> had the libs and IDL compiler which is what we needed), and I haven't
> tried again on the larger machine we have now.
CORBA's insanity isn't C++'s fault.
Kenny Tilton
Well how about a 100kloc app? Suppose I change a core header, ie, the
precompiled header has to go. How long does that take to build?
I remember when ThinkC on the Mac became Symantec C++ and incremental
linking went away. 20 sec to link on every edit-build-test iteration.
yechhh.
I think that is when I went looking for another language. Tried
SmalltalkAgents, but that never stabilized. Ended up on Mac Common Lisp,
never looked back.
Daniel Barlow
A week is a lot of drinking time. We could meet in London, Cambridge,
Oxford _and_ Edinburgh (and probably include the travel time, if we
avoid Virgin trains) before it got back to the shell prompt.
Christophe Rhodes
> Mark Dalgarno <Mark_D...@scientia.com> writes:
> > I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
> > easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
> > a night out.
>
> I'm in Cambridge, too. And of course Xanalys is here, at least the
> part with most Lispers.
>
> Alas, pubs here are full of smoke. Can we find somewhere at least
> relatively clean? None of the Lispers I know here are smokers,
> anyway.
The Free Press, behind the Grafton Centre is (or was as of a year ago,
anyway) smoke and mobile phone free. Nice place.
If I were to suggest Monday 17th of February for Cambridge, UK people,
would there be any takeup? We can link up with other SE England
people in London later...
Christophe
Mario S. Mommer
Oh Gawd!! Everybody in this NG is going to have a drink or two with
other lispers. Only poor li'll me, alone in Aachen, Germany, has to
stay home.
Are there no other lispers in the area? ;-)
Mario.
Jerry Coffin
[ ... ]
> Well how about a 100kloc app? Suppose I change a core header, ie, the
> precompiled header has to go. How long does that take to build?
I just did a quick check of a total rebuild of [pause to sounds of wc
running furiously...] about 96,000 lines. It takes about two minutes
with full optimization, and less than one minute without (as you'd
normally do if you were modifying core headers).
This is with no pre-compiled headers at all, and on a machine that
hasn't been leading edge for a couple of years or so -- it wouldn't
surprise me too much if a current top-end machine could do the job twice
as fast. Of course, under normal circumstances, a total rebuild
probably doesn't happen more than once very few months or so...
--
Later,
Jerry.
The universe is a figment of its own imagination.
Gareth McCaughan
> The Free Press, behind the Grafton Centre is (or was as of a year ago,
> anyway) smoke and mobile phone free. Nice place.
The Free Press was still non-smoking as of, um, more like 6 months
ago. A nice place indeed.
> If I were to suggest Monday 17th of February for Cambridge, UK people,
> would there be any takeup? We can link up with other SE England
> people in London later...
What sort of time? Any particular agenda?
--
Gareth McCaughan Gareth.M...@pobox.com
.sig under construc
Alan Krueger
> Alan Krueger wrote:
> > "Kenny Tilton" <kti...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E47E405...@nyc.rr.com...
> >>and associated user group
> >>are casting the net wide, reaching out to functional languages of all
> >>kinds,
> >
> > Which is not C++.
>
> So you're not coming? :) Hey, you conveniently chopped: "...and other
> folks currently using imperative languages for production work but who
> might well be interested in learning of Lisp's use in production
> environments." tsk, tsk.
This does not make it on-topic in comp.lang.c++
> (1) C++ has a big problem (I hear) when it comes to the time required to
> rebuild large apps after certain interesting changes to the source. I
> hear tales of multi-hour builds. Back to the Seventies?
Please take this to an advocacy newsgroup.
[...]
> (2) You say C++ is not a functional language. Interesting, they took out
> recursion?
An ability to write functions and recurse does not a functional language
make. While it's possible to write in a functional programming style in an
imperative/procedural language like C++, it's also possible to bail water
with a shovel.
Mark Dalgarno
> Mark Dalgarno <Mark_D...@scientia.com> writes:
> > I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
> > easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
> > a night out.
>
> I'm in Cambridge, too. And of course Xanalys is here, at least the
> part with most Lispers.
>
> Alas, pubs here are full of smoke. Can we find somewhere at least
> relatively clean? None of the Lispers I know here are smokers,
> anyway.
Free Press and (I think) Cambridge Blue are non-smoking.
Mark
Mark Dalgarno
> If I were to suggest Monday 17th of February for Cambridge, UK people,
> would there be any takeup? We can link up with other SE England
> people in London later...
Sounds good to me. I'll pass this on to others at work.
Mark
Tim Bradshaw
> CORBA's insanity isn't C++'s fault.
Well, that's an interesting statement. I have Lisp-based CORBA
applications, and C++ based CORBA applications, and the C++ ones take
a *lot* longer to build than the Lisp ones. I mean a *lot* longer - a
sub-300 line C++ program using CORBA takes 5x as long to compile and
link as a 20,000 line Lisp application that uses CORBA. The C++
binaries are a little smaller though. I don't have experience of
implementations of CORBA bindings for other languages, but I suspect
that they are often significantly quicker to build than the C++ ones
too.
So, well, perhaps it `isn't C++'s fault' in some sense, but it doesn't
seem to be the only sense that matters, namely that you can't actually
get systems which build in reasonable times for C++, while you can for
other languages.
--tim
Tim Bradshaw
> A week is a lot of drinking time. We could meet in London, Cambridge,
> Oxford _and_ Edinburgh (and probably include the travel time, if we
> avoid Virgin trains) before it got back to the shell prompt.
We did (well, London, Devon and Edinburgh I think).
--tim
Peter Herth
> Oh Gawd!! Everybody in this NG is going to have a drink or two with
> other lispers. Only poor li'll me, alone in Aachen, Germany, has to
> stay home.
>
> Are there no other lispers in the area? ;-)
I could offer Cologne :)
Any other lispers around from North-Rhine-Westfalia ?
Greetings
Peter
--
Peter Herth
Dawn of the Ages
http://dawn.netcologne.de
Henrik Motakef
> Any other lispers around from North-Rhine-Westfalia ?
<raise hand> Living in Bochum, working in Düsseldorf.
Regards
Henrik
Hannah Schroeter
I can't raise my hand here, but I offer Karlsruhe.
Kind regards,
Hannah.
Pascal Costanza
Peter Herth <he...@netcologne.de> wrote:
> I could offer Cologne :)
> Any other lispers around from North-Rhine-Westfalia ?
I am from Bonn, and I know one other guy who has decided to give Lisp a
try, and two who are nearly there. (I need to push them some more... ;)
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
--
"If I could explain it, I wouldn't be able to do it."
A.M.McKenzie
Scott McKay
"Gareth McCaughan" <Gareth.M...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:slrnb4j3j0.1req....@g.local...
> Christophe Rhodes wrote:
>
> > The Free Press, behind the Grafton Centre is (or was as of a year ago,
> > anyway) smoke and mobile phone free. Nice place.
>
> The Free Press was still non-smoking as of, um, more like 6 months
> ago. A nice place indeed.
>
I'll be visiting friends in London (coming from Boston), but I
don't think I'll be able to make it the 50 extra miles to Cambridge
this time around.
Christophe Rhodes
> Christophe Rhodes wrote:
>
> > The Free Press, behind the Grafton Centre is (or was as of a year ago,
> > anyway) smoke and mobile phone free. Nice place.
>
> The Free Press was still non-smoking as of, um, more like 6 months
> ago. A nice place indeed.
>
> > If I were to suggest Monday 17th of February for Cambridge, UK people,
> > would there be any takeup? We can link up with other SE England
> > people in London later...
>
> What sort of time? Any particular agenda?
Oh, 7:00ish? I don't know, really -- I've never been involved with
any kind of user group type thing, so I don't know what would
typically be involved in one of these first meetings... are we allowed
just to talk it over? Have a chat?
Mario S. Mommer
> In article <m3el6df...@uranus.local>,
> Peter Herth <he...@netcologne.de> wrote:
>
> > I could offer Cologne :)
> > Any other lispers around from North-Rhine-Westfalia ?
>
> I am from Bonn, and I know one other guy who has decided to give Lisp a
> try, and two who are nearly there. (I need to push them some more... ;)
I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
nice. What do you all think? Next weekend would be ok for me...
Mario.
Pascal Costanza
> I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
> nice. What do you all think? Next weekend would be ok for me...
...if it's this Sunday that would be ok for me. Otherwise next week's
Saturday would be better.
Pascal
--
Pascal Costanza University of Bonn
mailto:cost...@web.de Institute of Computer Science III
http://www.pascalcostanza.de Römerstr. 164, D-53117 Bonn (Germany)
Michael Hudson
> Daniel Barlow <d...@telent.net> writes:
>
> > (And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
> > Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
>
> I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
> easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
> a night out.
I'm in Bristol (if you draw a line from Cambridge through Oxford you
don't miss Bristol by all that much), so an Oxford or London meet
might be of interest. Not that I've done much Lisp lately, but that
shouldn't stand in the way of beer :-)
Cheers,
M.
--
we're already scrubbing the face of intuition with steel wool,
setting it on fire, then putting it out with an axe <wink>.
-- Tim Peters, on comparing recursive structures
Ingvar Mattsson
> "Gareth McCaughan" <Gareth.M...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnb4j3j0.1req....@g.local...
> > Christophe Rhodes wrote:
> >
> > > The Free Press, behind the Grafton Centre is (or was as of a year ago,
> > > anyway) smoke and mobile phone free. Nice place.
> >
> > The Free Press was still non-smoking as of, um, more like 6 months
> > ago. A nice place indeed.
> >
>
> I'll be visiting friends in London (coming from Boston), but I
> don't think I'll be able to make it the 50 extra miles to Cambridge
> this time around.
Best case, it's about 50 minutes from London King's Cross (then
another 20-30 minutes walk to the Grafton centre, IIRC).
When (roughly) are you in London? We could try to arrange something, I
guess.
> > > If I were to suggest Monday 17th of February for Cambridge, UK people,
> > > would there be any takeup? We can link up with other SE England
> > > people in London later...
[jumping in lateish]
While London->Cam is doable for an evening, I cannot firmly commit to
this (I'd be there 8 pm at the earliest, then need to head out again
at 9, 9:30).
//Ingvar
--
When the SysAdmin answers the phone politely, say "sorry", hang up and
run awaaaaay!
Informal advice to users at Karolinska Institutet, 1993-1994
Daniel Barlow
> "Scott McKay" <s...@attbi.com> writes:
>> I'll be visiting friends in London (coming from Boston), but I
>> don't think I'll be able to make it the 50 extra miles to Cambridge
>> this time around.
>
> Best case, it's about 50 minutes from London King's Cross (then
> another 20-30 minutes walk to the Grafton centre, IIRC).
>
> When (roughly) are you in London? We could try to arrange something, I
> guess.
>
>> > > If I were to suggest Monday 17th of February for Cambridge, UK people,
>> > > would there be any takeup? We can link up with other SE England
>> > > people in London later...
>
> [jumping in lateish]
> While London->Cam is doable for an evening, I cannot firmly commit to
> this (I'd be there 8 pm at the earliest, then need to head out again
> at 9, 9:30).
Oxford -> Cambridge is even worse (the only way to do it by train is
via London, and the coach is said to be 2-3 hours on a good day)
It sounds like there are enough Lispers in London to make a London
meet practical. But if we make it some day other than Monday, the cam
people get to turn up as well. Midweek next week sometime?
Ingvar Mattsson
Thursday? Don't know the normal state of pubs on Thursdays, but from
ocular data gathering walking past a few pubs, it's much less crowded
than Fridays.
//Ingvar
[1] Unless we congregate in the Crosse Keys on Lombard Street, since
that's where I go after fencing.
--
When in doubt, debug-on-entry the function you least suspect have
anything to do with something.
Mario S. Mommer
> Mario S. Mommer wrote:
> > I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
> > nice. What do you all think? Next weekend would be ok for me...
>
> ...if it's this Sunday that would be ok for me. Otherwise next week's
> Saturday would be better.
Saturday the 22. would be ok for me. What do Peter and Henrik think?
Now, choosing a bar in Cologne can be really hard :-)
Mario.
Peter Herth
> Saturday the 22. would be ok for me. What do Peter and Henrik think?
Sorry, the 22 is the only really occupied spot in my calendar.
>
> Now, choosing a bar in Cologne can be really hard :-)
>
Too much choice sometimes can be a problem :)
Henrik Motakef
> Mario S. Mommer wrote:
>
> > I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
> > nice. What do you all think? Next weekend would be ok for me...
>
> ...if it's this Sunday that would be ok for me. Otherwise next week's
> Saturday would be better.
Same for me.
Regards
Henrik
Pascal Costanza
Peter Herth <he...@netcologne.de> wrote:
> Mario S. Mommer <m_mo...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Saturday the 22. would be ok for me. What do Peter and Henrik think?
>
> Sorry, the 22 is the only really occupied spot in my calendar.
Hm, then what about Sun 23?
> > Now, choosing a bar in Cologne can be really hard :-)
> >
> Too much choice sometimes can be a problem :)
I like the bistro "Borsalino" in Zuelpicher Strasse.
Pascal
Daniel Barlow
> Daniel Barlow <d...@telent.net> writes:
>
>> It sounds like there are enough Lispers in London to make a London
>> meet practical. But if we make it some day other than Monday, the cam
>> people get to turn up as well. Midweek next week sometime?
>
> Thursday? Don't know the normal state of pubs on Thursdays, but from
> ocular data gathering walking past a few pubs, it's much less crowded
> than Fridays.
Thursday is good for me, and Christophe Rhodes is reported to be in
the vicinity too.
(Cambridge, Oxford, Bristol, other bottom-half-of-the-country people
also invited to wander along and put your names down)
>[1] Unless we congregate in the Crosse Keys on Lombard Street, since
> that's where I go after fencing.
In this newsgroup we garbage-collect unreferenced footnotes. Was that
a venue suggestion?
Peter Herth
> Hm, then what about Sun 23?
Fine with me :)
> I like the bistro "Borsalino" in Zuelpicher Strasse.
That would have been my suggestion too :).
Mario S. Mommer
> Pascal Costanza <cost...@web.de> writes:
>
> > Hm, then what about Sun 23?
>
> Fine with me :)
For me too. What time? Shouldn't be too late...
> > I like the bistro "Borsalino" in Zuelpicher Strasse.
>
> That would have been my suggestion too :).
Is it close to the central station?
Mario.
Peter Herth
> For me too. What time? Shouldn't be too late...
18.00 ? 19.00 ?
> Is it close to the central station?
Its 150m from the south station. Take the exit to the
Zülpicher Strasse, follow it eastwards and about 150m the
Borsalino is at a street corner.
Pascal Costanza
> Mario S. Mommer <m_mo...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>>For me too. What time? Shouldn't be too late...
>
>
> 18.00 ? 19.00 ?
18.00 is great IMHO. I will definitely be there at that time.
How do we recognize each other?
Michael Schuerig
> How do we recognize each other?
For want of suitable parens you could both be wearing braces instead...
Michael
--
Michael Schuerig All good people read good books
mailto:schu...@acm.org Now your conscience is clear
http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ --Tanita Tikaram, "Twist In My Sobriety"
sv0f
<cost...@web.de> wrote:
>How do we recognize each other?
This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
(The slightly over-developed digits on the right hand (from
years of striking the parentheses keys) might be a reliable
indicator -- think Guillermo Vilas' asymmetrically large left
arm. But the again, all those C++ and Java programmers have
to use the same fingers to reach the brace and semicolon keys.)
Rainer Joswig
no...@vanderbilt.edu (sv0f) wrote:
> In article <b2jdlv$h3i$1...@f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, Pascal Costanza
> <cost...@web.de> wrote:
>
> >How do we recognize each other?
>
> This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
> or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
>
Take your favorite Lisp book with you and show it....
Pascal Costanza
Rainer Joswig <jos...@lispmachine.de> wrote:
> > >How do we recognize each other?
> >
> > This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
> > or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
> >
>
> Take your favorite Lisp book with you and show it....
That's a nice idea. :)
So we are going to meet in Cologne on Sunday, Feb 23 at 18:00. As of yet
we are three people (Mario, Peter and me). Who else is going to join us?
(Of course, you don't need to be strictly from Cologne or the
surrounding area, you just need to happen to be there. ;)
Paolo Amoroso
> This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
> or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
He dances Lambdada?
Paolo
--
Paolo Amoroso <amo...@mclink.it>
Greg Menke
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:35:03 -0600, no...@vanderbilt.edu (sv0f) wrote:
>
> > This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
> > or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
>
> He dances Lambdada?
Or plays in a band named "The Cdrs"
Nils Goesche
> In article <joswig-BCE8D0....@news.fu-berlin.de>,
> Rainer Joswig <jos...@lispmachine.de> wrote:
>
> > > >How do we recognize each other?
> > >
> > > This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
> > > or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
> >
> > Take your favorite Lisp book with you and show it....
>
> That's a nice idea. :)
>
> So we are going to meet in Cologne on Sunday, Feb 23 at 18:00.
Make sure it's not carnival season. Some people might be wearing
a Lisper costume and you'd never recognize the real ones ;-)
Regards,
--
Nils Gösche
Ask not for whom the <CONTROL-G> tolls.
PGP key ID #xD26EF2A0
sv0f
Rainer Joswig <jos...@lispmachine.de> wrote:
>> >How do we recognize each other?
>>
>> This is an intriguing question. Given a line-up of programmers
>> or even regular Germans, how would you pick out the Lisper?
>>
>
>Take your favorite Lisp book with you and show it....
So what do you do if you spy someone flipping through a
book on Scheme? ;-)
Marc Spitzer
This might help:
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030210&mode=classic
marc
Gareth McCaughan
> Make sure it's not carnival season. Some people might be wearing
> a Lisper costume and you'd never recognize the real ones ;-)
Dressed as a Harlequin, you mean? Or should that be an Xanalys,
these days?
--
Gareth McCaughan Gareth.M...@pobox.com
.sig under construc
Nick Levine
Are people planning to eat beforehand or get food there?
> [...] so I don't know what would
> typically be involved in one of these first meetings... are we allowed
> just to talk it over? Have a chat?
I was entertained by the word "allowed". Answer is somewhere between
Do what you will shall be the whole of the law
and
"Pass the salt"
- nick
Andreas Holz
> Mario S. Mommer wrote:
>
> > I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
> > nice. What do you all think? Next weekend would be ok for me...
>
> ...if it's this Sunday that would be ok for me. Otherwise next week's
> Saturday would be better.
>
>
> Pascal
Hello,
what ist the intention of a meeting?
Cheers
Andreas
Pascal Costanza
> Pascal Costanza <cost...@web.de> wrote in message news:<b2g638$p3s$1...@f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>...
>
>>Mario S. Mommer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
>>>nice.
> Hello,
>
> what ist the intention of a meeting?
Well, to meet each other. ;)
There are no concrete ideas yet, other than to have a good time and
perhaps talk about what other people do with Lisp.
We are going to meet in Bistro Borsalino
(http://www.restaurant-borsalino.de/) next Sunday at 18:00. I have added
our meeting to http://alu.cliki.net/Local
Kenny Tilton
Pascal Costanza wrote:
> Andreas Holz wrote:
>
>> Pascal Costanza <cost...@web.de> wrote in message
>> news:<b2g638$p3s$1...@f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>...
>>
>>> Mario S. Mommer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
>>>> nice.
>>>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> what ist the intention of a meeting?
>
>
> Well, to meet each other. ;)
That's been the best part of lispnyking for me. Lispers are good
company: bright, hard-drinking, and willing to talk about programming.
Good networking as well.
And if you like doing Lisp, my sense of lispnyk so far is a lot of
interest in Lisp evangelism, especially to the business community. ie,
down the road more Lisp jobs.
But I'd be happy with just the social angle.
--
kenny tilton
clinisys, inc
http://www.tilton-technology.com/
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Cells let us walk, talk, think, make love and realize
the bath water is cold." -- Lorraine Lee Cudmore
Bulent Murtezaoglu
So what did you guys do (NY mostly but others too)? Pics?
cheers,
BM
Marc Spitzer
> So what did you guys do (NY mostly but others too)? Pics?
Well since you asked...
We got a domain after discussing it(lispnyc.org)
We are working on a lisp powered website that will answer the
following questions:
1: what is lisp
2: why should I use it
3: where can I hire lisp people
4: contact info, when meetins happen
We are working on a perminant home, bar after
meeting not durring.
We are having a logo contest
We are working on getting some presentations
together
And some of us drink also.
marc
>
> cheers,
>
> BM
Kenny Tilton
tool or a portable pathname replacement (if I am getting it right).
I thought at first a project would be necessary to make lispnyc work.
Now the social side of it seems enough, but I think the more sober
amongst us would appreciate something lispier.
Note also that with this year's ALU meeting here in NYC, lispnyc will
likely have some fun in and around that.
To a degree we are letting this evolve on its own, tho Russ's or other
proposals might be wise in that they are a little more proactive; a good
group might not just happen by itself.
my2. kt
Christophe Rhodes
> Marc Spitzer wrote:
> > Bulent Murtezaoglu <b...@acm.org> writes:
> >
> >> So what did you guys do (NY mostly but others too)? Pics?
> > Well since you asked...
> And Russ suggested a couple of projects for us to undertake, a weblog
> tool or a portable pathname replacement (if I am getting it right).
Heh. We who met in Cambridge, UK yesterday also talked briefly about
pathnames, before shuddering into our beers (or, indeed, Cokes) and
moving the conversation on.
Nothing formal or organized was decided upon, in any case -- but there
is another meeting of mostly different people on Thursday in London...
Christophe
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Andreas Holz
> Mario S. Mommer wrote:
>
> > I like the idea of meeting in Cologne - it's fairly central and very
>
> ...if it's this Sunday that would be ok for me. Otherwise next week's
> Saturday would be better.
>
>
> Pascal
Hello,
as I'm living now in in the very northeastern part of Germany (near by
Greifswald) it is a long way to Cologne.
If it once might happen, that someone of you will be on vacation here
(the Rügen oder Usedom area), feel free to contact me.
Andreas