"This" v "next" weekend.
ban...@hotmail.com
weekend" and all is understood. However, if he says "I'll meet you
next weekend" I'm in a quandry. The coming weekend or the one
following? If it was Monday, I'd have no problem.
So when does "next" become "this" weekend-wise.
bm
Robert M. Wilson
I think this was discussed quite a while ago; you may be able to find it in
the archives.
IIRC there was agreement that it is confusing and that some of the confusion
arises from the origin of the speaker (or listener).
North Americans tend to mean the nearest weekend by "this" and the following
weekend by "next" though some would say "next" on Monday or Tuesday and "this"
on Friday for the nearest to come.
Others, such as U.K., usually mean the nearest weekend by both of them.
To be sure, you need to qualify what you mean, particularly in N.A.
Chris Lampton
>North Americans tend to mean the nearest weekend by "this" and the
following
>weekend by "next" though some would say "next" on Monday or Tuesday and
"this"
>on Friday for the nearest to come.
Maybe it's my British ancestry, but I grew up in North America believing
that "this" weekend and "next" weekend were the same thing. It wasn't until
my teens that I realized that some people used "next" weekend to mean the
weekend "after next" (which is how I still think of it). Truth to tell, I
don't think we Americans have ever come to any kind of agreement on what we
mean by "next" weekend (or next Tuesday or next Thursday, etc.), though some
people seem to _think_ they know what it means. I always ask to make sure.
--Chris
Garry J. Vass
>next weekend" I'm in a quandry. The coming weekend or the one
>following? If it was Monday, I'd have no problem.
However, Monday is the second day of the week. Although contrary to
popular notion, weeks actually begin on Sunday. Have a good look at a
calendar, consult your Farmer's Almanac, or just ask any Pope named
Gregory. Hope this helps!
Kind regards,
--
Garry J. Vass
Truly Donovan
>Let's assume it's Thursday. My friend says "I'll meet you this
>weekend" and all is understood. However, if he says "I'll meet you
>next weekend" I'm in a quandry. The coming weekend or the one
>following? If it was Monday, I'd have no problem.
>
>So when does "next" become "this" weekend-wise.
The answer to this question is you'd better ask your friend which
weekend he is talking about.
--
Truly Donovan
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Mark Daniels
ban...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Let's assume it's Thursday. My friend says "I'll meet you this
> weekend" and all is understood. However, if he says "I'll meet you
> next weekend" I'm in a quandry. The coming weekend or the one
> following? If it was Monday, I'd have no problem.
>
> So when does "next" become "this" weekend-wise.
>
> bm
Nice try - but this is far too on-topic!
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Charles Riggs
<Ga...@gvass.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <361149d6...@news.dynamite.com.au>, ban...@hotmail.com
>writes
>>next weekend" I'm in a quandry. The coming weekend or the one
>>following? If it was Monday, I'd have no problem.
>
>However, Monday is the second day of the week. Although contrary to
>popular notion, weeks actually begin on Sunday. Have a good look at a
>calendar, consult your Farmer's Almanac, or just ask any Pope named
>Gregory. Hope this helps!
>
>Kind regards,
My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day, as some
Christians still do of course, which is Sunday.
Charles
Nick Bradshaw
>
> My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
> Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
> job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day,
Which is Saturday, Charles, as any Seventh Day Adventist or Jewish
person could tell you.
Mind you, my (Flemish) diary starts on Mondays too and it always
confuses me.
--
Nick Bradshaw - Wessex Republican Brotherhood
Garry J. Vass
<ri...@anu.ie> writes
>My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
>Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
>Christians still do of course, which is Sunday.
You are correct, Charles. God rested on the seventh day, which was the
Sabbath (Saturday). And "Let there be light" happened on the first day,
Sunday.
A lengthy and informative description about how the "week" came to be is
in the OED2 (Complete). But you can look up "Sunday" in the American
Heritage Dictionary or Websters to get the abbreviated scoop. It's the
first day of the week, despite the popular notion that it's the seventh
day.
Please don't feel angry about this, pointing these things out is our job
here.
Ranjit Mathews
> In article <36142fc4....@news.anu.ie>, Charles Riggs
> <ri...@anu.ie> writes
> >My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
> >Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
> >job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day, as some
> >Christians still do of course, which is Sunday.
>
> You are correct, Charles. God rested on the seventh day, which was the
> Sabbath (Saturday). And "Let there be light" happened on the first day,
> Sunday.
Where did the light come from ? Had the Sun and stars been created yet ?
Was the milky way created after the Sun ?
> A lengthy and informative description about how the "week" came to be is
> in the OED2 (Complete). But you can look up "Sunday" in the American
> Heritage Dictionary or Websters to get the abbreviated scoop. It's the
> first day of the week, despite the popular notion that it's the seventh
> day.
Perhaps it was El Shaddai's first day, but for the common working stiff,
it's the day of rest; the seventh day.
Ranjit Mathews
> >job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day, as some
> >Christians still do of course, which is Sunday.
According to Jewish reckoning, however, Saturday was from approximately 6 pm
on Friday to 6 pm on Saturday. If the resurrection was supposed to have
happened on Sunday, that could be any time afer 6 pm Saturday.
> The New Testament, however, does state that the Resurrection occurred on
> the First Day. That is what is celebrated on Sunday. There is an
> interesting early Christian text which mentions that Christians
> celebrate the Resurrection every eighth day. This puzzled me for a long
> time until I realised that it meant the eighth day of every week (8 mod
> 7 is congruent with 1).
> --
Ranjit Mathews
> BTW - Who first said "autre pays; autre moeurs" ?
Napoleon ?
Who first said "do in Rome as Romans do" ?
John Underwood
alt.usage.english:
(Reference: <36142fc4....@news.anu.ie>)
>On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:45:30 +0100, "Garry J. Vass"
><Ga...@gvass.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <361149d6...@news.dynamite.com.au>, ban...@hotmail.com
>>writes
>>>next weekend" I'm in a quandry. The coming weekend or the one
>>>following? If it was Monday, I'd have no problem.
>>
>>However, Monday is the second day of the week. Although contrary to
>>popular notion, weeks actually begin on Sunday. Have a good look at a
>>calendar, consult your Farmer's Almanac, or just ask any Pope named
>>Gregory. Hope this helps!
>>
>>Kind regards,
>
>My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
>Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
>job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day, as some
>Christians still do of course, which is Sunday.
The New Testament, however, does state that the Resurrection occurred on
the First Day. That is what is celebrated on Sunday. There is an
interesting early Christian text which mentions that Christians
celebrate the Resurrection every eighth day. This puzzled me for a long
time until I realised that it meant the eighth day of every week (8 mod
7 is congruent with 1).
--
John Underwood
Mark Odegard
1998 18:31:05 -0500, Ranjit Mathews <ran...@austin.ibm.com> in
<361410B8...@austin.ibm.com> wrote
|Where did the light come from ? Had the Sun and stars been created yet ?
|Was the milky way created after the Sun ?
Don't be difficult, Ranjit. These kinds of questions went out of
style about the time Pius XII made biblical criticism
respectable among Catholics. The question is not about the
inconsistencies, but why God chose to permit scientific
solecisms to enter Holy Scripture (i.e., why has God given us
errant Scripture?). This attitude is as faithful and as
responsible as you can get.
--
Mark Odegard. (Omit OMIT to email)
Emailed copies of responses are very much appreciated.
Charles Riggs
<brad...@iridia.ulb.antispam_remove.ac.be> wrote:
>Charles Riggs wrote:
>>
>> My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
>> Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
>> job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day,
>
>Which is Saturday, Charles, as any Seventh Day Adventist or Jewish
>person could tell you.
Well, that's a good point. I don't own a Bible so I can't see if
"Sunday" is actually mentioned. It likely isn't or the Jews wouldn't
honor Saturday in the manner they do. Why, then, did the Christians
change the Seventh Day to Sunday I wonder?
>Mind you, my (Flemish) diary starts on Mondays too and it always
>confuses me.
Charles
Charles Riggs
<Ga...@gvass.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <36142fc4....@news.anu.ie>, Charles Riggs
><ri...@anu.ie> writes
>>My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
>>Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
>>job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day, as some
>>Christians still do of course, which is Sunday.
>
>You are correct, Charles. God rested on the seventh day, which was the
>Sabbath (Saturday). And "Let there be light" happened on the first day,
>Sunday.
>
>A lengthy and informative description about how the "week" came to be is
>in the OED2 (Complete). But you can look up "Sunday" in the American
>Heritage Dictionary or Websters to get the abbreviated scoop. It's the
>first day of the week, despite the popular notion that it's the seventh
>day.
>
>Please don't feel angry about this, pointing these things out is our job
>here.
>
>Kind regards,
I'm not angry in the slightest. Now I'm going to have to go find a
calendar which gets it right! That may not be easy in Catholic
Ireland. (I'm a Buddhist so it really makes little difference to me
from a religious standpoint.)
Charles
Charles Riggs
<ran...@austin.ibm.com> wrote:
>> You are correct, Charles. God rested on the seventh day, which was the
>> Sabbath (Saturday). And "Let there be light" happened on the first day,
>> Sunday.
>
>Where did the light come from ? Had the Sun and stars been created yet ?
>Was the milky way created after the Sun ?
The order of things gets all screwed up in Genesis, but then it was
only meant to be a nice story.
Charles
Ranjit Mathews
> On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:14:09 +0200, Nick Bradshaw
> <brad...@iridia.ulb.antispam_remove.ac.be> wrote:
>
> >Charles Riggs wrote:
> >>
> >> My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
> >> Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
> >> job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day,
> >
> >Which is Saturday, Charles, as any Seventh Day Adventist or Jewish
> >person could tell you.
>
> Well, that's a good point. I don't own a Bible so I can't see if
> "Sunday" is actually mentioned. It likely isn't or the Jews wouldn't
> honor Saturday in the manner they do. Why, then, did the Christians
> change the Seventh Day to Sunday I wonder?
One explanation I've seen is that it was the day that the Mithraic church
had their service. When they converted to Christianity, they retained
Sunday.
Michael Cargal
>On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:14:09 +0200, Nick Bradshaw
><brad...@iridia.ulb.antispam_remove.ac.be> wrote:
>
>>Charles Riggs wrote:
>>>
>>> My calendar, maybe it's a poor one, shows the weeks starting on
>>> Mondays. I think this is logical from a biblical standpoint. After the
>>> job of creating the world, God rested on the seventh day,
>>
>>Which is Saturday, Charles, as any Seventh Day Adventist or Jewish
>>person could tell you.
>
>Well, that's a good point. I don't own a Bible so I can't see if
>"Sunday" is actually mentioned. It likely isn't or the Jews wouldn't
>honor Saturday in the manner they do. Why, then, did the Christians
>change the Seventh Day to Sunday I wonder?
The word "sabbath," like "sabbatical," comes from the semitic word for
seven. In Arabic it's "saba," and it is probably something like that
in Hebrew. In Spanish, the word for Saturday is "Sabado." The original
reason for seven for the number of days in a week is that it is half
of half of a lunar month, which was important to Mesopotamians. If the
moon were closer to earth, we might have 6-day weeks.
--
Michael Cargal car...@cts.com
Skitt
ri...@anu.ie (Charles Riggs) wrote:
>Why, then, did the Christians
>change the Seventh Day to Sunday I wonder?
So they could watch the football games.
--
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K1912
Michael Cargal wrote:
[...]
>The word "sabbath," like "sabbatical," comes from the semitic word for
>seven. In Arabic it's "saba," and it is probably something like that
>in Hebrew. In Spanish, the word for Saturday is "Sabado." The original
>reason for seven for the number of days in a week is that it is half
>of half of a lunar month, which was important to Mesopotamians. If the
>moon were closer to earth, we might have 6-day weeks
Names of the days:
Day Name origin
Sunday Sun day
Monday Moon day
Tuesday Tiw's day (God of battle)
Wednesday Woden's or Odin's day (God of poetry and the dead)
Thursday Thor's day (God of thunder)
Friday Frigg's day (Goddess of married love)
Saturday Saturn's day (God of fertility and agriculture)
From _The Cambridge Factfinder_
TGFFrigg's day
K1912
Ranjit Mathews
> The word "sabbath," like "sabbatical," comes from the semitic word for
> seven. In Arabic it's "saba," and it is probably something like that
> in Hebrew. In Spanish, the word for Saturday is "Sabado." The original
> reason for seven for the number of days in a week is that it is half
> of half of a lunar month, which was important to Mesopotamians. If the
> moon were closer to earth, we might have 6-day weeks.
I remember reading about Egyptians having had a 10 day week, but I don't
remember its saying how or why they might have chosen 10.
> --
> Michael Cargal car...@cts.com
Aaron J. Dinkin
wrote:
> The word "sabbath," like "sabbatical," comes from the semitic word for
> seven. In Arabic it's "saba," and it is probably something like that
> in Hebrew.
I'm not sure what you mean by "it", but the Hebrew word for 'Sabbath' is
"Shabat" and for 'seven' is "sheva". In ancient Hebrew, [v] was an
allophone of /b/. However, Hebrew morphology is based on the
three-consonant root, and "sheva" contained a third consonant (probably
/H<vcd>/) entirely missing from "Shabat", which has the third consonant of
/t/. It's possible, of course, that the relation goes back to an even
earlier two-consonant root phase, but in that case I would have expected
"Shabat" to be related to "lashevet" (3-c root j-S-b), meaning 'sit', both
containing the sense of "rest".
Whatever.
-Aaron J. Dinkin
Dr. Whom
Jim Douglass
1950s, a character told a friend,
"When in Rome, do as the Romanians do."
P&DSchultz
> The word "sabbath," like "sabbatical," comes from the semitic word for
> seven. In Arabic it's "saba," and it is probably something like that
> in Hebrew. ...
"Sabbatical" comes from "sabbath," but I don't think either one has
any relation to the word for seven, because they are from different
roots. "Sabbath" comes ultimately from "shabbath," whose root in Hebrew
is shin bet tav (in Arabic sin bah tah) which in both languages forms
words having to do with *resting*. The root of the word for seven in
Hebrew is shin bet 'ayin (in Arabic sin bah 'ayin); in Arabic that root
is also used for the word for "week." The words shabbath/sheva (Arabic
sabt/sab'a) may look slightly similar to us, but to Semites they are no
more similar than "dumb" is to "duck."
//P. Schultz
Simon R. Hughes
> Garry J. Vass wrote:
>
> > You are correct, Charles. God rested on the seventh day, which was the
> > Sabbath (Saturday). And "Let there be light" happened on the first day,
> > Sunday.
>
> Where did the light come from ? Had the Sun and stars been created yet ?
> Was the milky way created after the Sun ?
The light came on the first day, the sun (by which we measure days
passing) came on the third day. Just how God managed to work out which
day it was, or when to turn out the light, to divide the day from the
night, no one knows.
The existence of this kind of discrepancy in the Bible proves that it
has as divine an author as _Romeo and Juliet_.
--
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Garry J. Vass
<ri...@anu.ie> writes
>The order of things gets all screwed up in Genesis, but then it was
>only meant to be a nice story.
Hmmm... So how come you're sure sure it was the 7th day?
--
Garry J. Vass