Stevia v Aspartame (Was: Re: ANECDOTAL REPORT: Adverse Reaction to Stevia alternative herbal sweetner
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wrote:
>Stay away from Europe or Japan then.
>
>Stevia is banned in those regions as it is carcinogenic. We don't like
>poisons on our shelves, and the last Stevia peddler in Britain got a
>nice Ł10,000 fine for having this cancer-causing toxic crap on his
>shelves.
Well, this seems contradicted by these articles, which seem to indicate
legal sale in Japan:
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art12624.asp
http://www.danspencer.com/text/stevia.html
http://www.jbb-stevia.com/english/E_Safety_Tests.html
http://www.glocom.org/media_reviews/n_review/20020320_news_review15/
And, there's a link here to explain concerns regarding aspartame
(Nutrasweet), cancers, blindness, seizures and Gulf War Syndrome:
http://www.rense.com/general37/ste.htm
Could someone enlighten me in order to resolve these contradictions?
Thank you kindly, Elaine.....
--
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:01:57 +0100, ^ö^Flying Rat^ö^ <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Stay away from Europe or Japan then.
>>
>>Stevia is banned in those regions as it is carcinogenic. We don't like
>>poisons on our shelves, and the last Stevia peddler in Britain got a
>>nice £10,000 fine for having this cancer-causing toxic crap on his
>>shelves.
>
>
> Well, this seems contradicted by these articles, which seem to indicate
> legal sale in Japan:
>
> http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art12624.asp
> http://www.danspencer.com/text/stevia.html
> http://www.jbb-stevia.com/english/E_Safety_Tests.html
> http://www.glocom.org/media_reviews/n_review/20020320_news_review15/
>
> And, there's a link here to explain concerns regarding aspartame
> (Nutrasweet), cancers, blindness, seizures and Gulf War Syndrome:
>
> http://www.rense.com/general37/ste.htm
That last one is Betty Martini. She lies, exchept when she forgets to
lie and makes stuff up instead. She claims the FAA forbids the use of
diet soda by citing a particular FAA periodical, when the reference is a
letter to the editor that she wrote!
Unfortunately, Betty lies a *lot*, and she's convinced some people of
the general truth of her claims through raw repetition. Yes, some people
can't tolerate aspartame (due to phenylketonuria, a serious medical
problem). A few claim headaches from it, but far fewer than one would
guess from all the "friend-of-a-friend" studies and people who instead
have serious caffeine problems. And if you cook with it or leave it to
get hot, it breaks down (yes, into formaldehyde) and tastes *AWFUL*, but
that taste is so vile as to be really, really obviously tainted. But so
does a lot of other food heated to that level (such as celery: yecch!).
So it's not perfect, but it's not the deadly toxin Betty claims. Check
out www.snopes.com on the subject for decent discussion of what's really
going on with aspartame.
jamie
>
> Well, this seems contradicted by these articles, which seem to indicate
> legal sale in Japan:
Someone was confused, stevia is widely used in Japan, but was rejected by
the European Commission.
http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/bulletin/no120/stevia.htm
> And, there's a link here to explain concerns regarding aspartame
> (Nutrasweet), cancers, blindness, seizures and Gulf War Syndrome:
>
> http://www.rense.com/general37/ste.htm
>
> Could someone enlighten me in order to resolve these contradictions?
That link is an article by Betty Martini, the internet's original
anti-aspartame loony.
I expect these claims about British Parliament hold about as much truth
as her most well-known document, detailing the imaginary World Health
Organization symposium on the dangers of aspartame (copied on almost every
anti-aspartame site on the net, often misattributed to "Nancy Markle).
That one has been circling the net for about 15 years.
None of the conditions she lists have ever been shown to be caused by
aspartame, nor has there been any marked increase in those conditions
in diabetics since it went into widespread use. She will tell you that
aspartame by products build up in the body over time as a toxin, and then
turn around and post about all the miraculous cures that clear up within
a couple of days of not using it. Either it builds up or it doesn't,
make up your mind Betty.
If you remind her of the fact that an orange has more "toxic" methanol
than a can of diet soda, she'll claim that the ethanol in the orange
is the medical antidote to methanol, so it makes it safe. So have
your Diet Coke with rum.
Now, some people, myself included, are sensitive to it, and get
headaches or get foggy-headed, and should avoid it. But Betty's
scaremongering doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
--
jamie (jami...@newsguy.com)
"There's a seeker born every minute."
Julie Bove
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<snip>
I can't speak for anything about Japan since I don't know one way or the
other.
>
> And, there's a link here to explain concerns regarding aspartame
> (Nutrasweet), cancers, blindness, seizures and Gulf War Syndrome:
<Urban legend snipped>
> Could someone enlighten me in order to resolve these contradictions?
I can explain this one. It's a campaign run by Mad Betty, aka Betty Martini
and Nancy Markle. What her problem is, I do not know, but none of it is
true. Read about it here:
Or here:
<snip>
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Tom in Joisey
hundreds (or thousands?) of years in So America with no ill effects,
and is widely accepted in Japan, and is FAR safer than Aspartame,
saccharine, OR sucralose (splenda).
Can someone figure out which is the real truth?
--Tom
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:16:50 -0700, "Please invert everything left of
the @ to reply" <3yeltr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:01:57 +0100, ^ö^Flying Rat^ö^ <m...@privacy.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Stay away from Europe or Japan then.
>>
>>Stevia is banned in those regions as it is carcinogenic. We don't like
>>poisons on our shelves, and the last Stevia peddler in Britain got a
>>nice £10,000 fine for having this cancer-causing toxic crap on his
BJ in Texas
Tom in Joisey wrote:
> Funny, everything that I have read says that Stevia has been
> used for hundreds (or thousands?) of years in So America with
> no ill effects, and is widely accepted in Japan, and is FAR
> safer than Aspartame, saccharine, OR sucralose (splenda).
Is there research and documentation you can cite to support the
relative safety of the different sweetners?
BJ
Julie Bove
"Tom in Joisey" <t...@NoSpAm.techbait.net> wrote in message
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> Funny, everything that I have read says that Stevia has been used for
> hundreds (or thousands?) of years in So America with no ill effects,
> and is widely accepted in Japan, and is FAR safer than Aspartame,
> saccharine, OR sucralose (splenda).
>
> Can someone figure out which is the real truth?
You'll hear lots of things. Doesn't mean they're true! Do a search on
Stevia and you'll get a lot of conflicting information. I can't prove a
thing one way or the other. I do know people who have tried Stevia and they
said it tasted awful. I don't want to consume anything that tastes awful.
It's also not legal to sell it as a sweetener in this country. That speaks
volumes to me.
Do a search on Aspartame and you'll find two schools of thought. One is
that it is safe. That is the view shared by the vast majority. The other
school is that it is unsafe. That school is taught by Mama Betty (Betty
Martini, aka Nancy Markle). She has been proved to be as big a quack as
they come.
Guy Scharf
> "Julie Bove" <jnosp...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>
>>You'll hear lots of things. Doesn't mean they're true! Do a
>>search on Stevia and you'll get a lot of conflicting information.
>>I can't prove a thing one way or the other. I do know people who
>>have tried Stevia and they said it tasted awful. I don't want to
>>consume anything that tastes awful. It's also not legal to sell it
>>as a sweetener in this country. That speaks volumes to me.
>
> Please specify "this country." I know for a fact that Stevia can
> be legally sold in Japan, United States, and in most South
> American countries.
Stevia can be sold in the U.S. only as a "supplement" and not as a
"food product." FDA has not approved Stevia as a food product.
Supplements do not have to be approved by the FDA, although they can be
banned after they have been found harmful.
Guy
Julie Bove
"Pat" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> What country are you in? I can go down to my local store and buy Stevia
> here in North Texas.
I didn't say you couldn't buy it. You can buy it. But it's illegal to sell
"as a sweetener".
Julie Bove
"Marcio Watanabe" <Mar...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" <jnosp...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>
> >You'll hear lots of things. Doesn't mean they're true! Do a search on
> >Stevia and you'll get a lot of conflicting information. I can't prove a
> >thing one way or the other. I do know people who have tried Stevia and
they
> >said it tasted awful. I don't want to consume anything that tastes
awful.
> >It's also not legal to sell it as a sweetener in this country. That
speaks
> >volumes to me.
>
> Please specify "this country." I know for a fact that Stevia can be
> legally sold in Japan, United States, and in most South American
> countries.
USA. And again, I didn't say it's illegal to sell here. I said it's
illegal to sell "as a sweetener". That's why you don't see any foods here
that are sweetened with it.
ru...@ogden.invalid
<jnosp...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>USA. And again, I didn't say it's illegal to sell here. I said it's
>illegal to sell "as a sweetener". That's why you don't see any foods here
>that are sweetened with it.
Yeah. The powerful chemical companies have seen to it that it will not
compete with their artificial sweeteners... have to keep their
monopoly.
ruun
matt weber
wrote:
>"Julie Bove" <jnosp...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>
>>You'll hear lots of things. Doesn't mean they're true! Do a search on
>>Stevia and you'll get a lot of conflicting information. I can't prove a
>>thing one way or the other. I do know people who have tried Stevia and they
>>said it tasted awful. I don't want to consume anything that tastes awful.
>>It's also not legal to sell it as a sweetener in this country. That speaks
>>volumes to me.
>
>Please specify "this country." I know for a fact that Stevia can be
>legally sold in Japan, United States, and in most South American
>countries.
it can be sold as a nutritional supplement. It cannot be used as a
food additive (sweetner), or sold as food in the USA.
You can sell almost anything as a nutritional supplement, and until it
starts killing people in large numbers, the FDA isn't going to do
much.
You want to use it as part of a food product,you have two choices. It
is either on the GRAS list (Generally Regarded As Safe), or you need
to do some heavy duty work and get approval under a Food Additive
Petition. The ones for Aspartame took literally years and tens of
millions of dollars to get approval for, and in the end, the FAP
looked a lot more like an NDA then a FAP...
Hua Kul
>
> You want to use it as part of a food product,you have two choices. It
It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
market.
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"Stevia was used in the United States in the 1980's as a sweetener.
Celestial Seasonings, one of the world's largest herbal tea companies
used it as a flavoring in many of their teas until 1986, when without
warning the FDA raided their warehouse and seized their entire stock
of Stevia. The FDA gave no reason for this action; the company was
simply told they could no longer use Stevia in their teas.
Prior to the 1980's Stevia was on the FDA's GRAS (Generally Regarded
as Safe) list. Strangely, it was removed from that list at the same
time Aspartame entered the scene and saccharin was found to be a
carcinogen. In 1991 the FDA banned Stevia, claiming (as it still does)
that it was an "unsafe food additive," even though it has been used
extensively in South America, Japan, China, Germany, Malaysia, Israel,
and South Korea, and is available in many other countries. Stevia
extracts are used in the Far East as a sweetener in items produced by
American companies, such as Diet Coke and sugar free versions of
Wrigley's gum and Beatrice Foods Yogurts, as well as for its
therapeutic value. The FDA was forced to lift the ban on Stevia due to
the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994. Since that
time Stevia has been legal in the U.S., but only if specifically
labeled as a dietary supplement. It cannot be used commercially in
food products as a sweetener or labeled as a sweetener. In 1998, the
FDA made a raid on a Stevia producer located in Texas and attempted to
burn all of the books in their warehouse. One book relays the story of
FDA's suppression of Stevia and another is a cookbook, which makes use
of Stevia as a sweetener, not a supplement. There has been much
speculation about the FDA's actions and policies concerning this
beneficial herb, but evidence points to the very real probability that
these things are the result of lobbying pressure exerted by chemical
companies producing synthetic sugar substitutes."
http://chetday.com/stevia.html
===============================================================
--Hua Kul
huaREM...@hotmail.com
bj
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> You can sell almost anything as a nutritional supplement, and until it
starts killing people in large numbers, the FDA isn't going to do much.
>
Congress won't let them.
bj
Flying Rat
Amazing how they all pop up, singing from the same warped hymn sheet.
Doubtless the advance guard for a Barking Betty invasion
Let's start here
http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia
BANNED in the EU and UK
Stevia was BANNED in 1991 by the US FDA. It can now only be sold as a
'supplement' and NOT as a food additive/product.
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g3898d.htm details action taken
by the FDA against a company in 2002 for pushing it as a food product.
Again,
"However, there is no regulation in effect that provides for the safe
use of stevia, nor is there a sufficient basis to conclude that stevia
in generally recognized as safe among qualified experts for its intended
use in food. Therefore, stevia is an unapproved food additive that is
unsafe under Section 409 of the Act."
From FDA document at
http://www.fda.gov/ora/about/enf_story/ch4/cfsan2.htm plus many other
pages detailing the FDA's actions in bringing Stevia sellers to court.
Stevia is even subject to siezure at US ports of entry when labelled as
a food product, or is found to be an ingredient of imported produce
http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia4506.html
Hong Kong and Singapore have also banned Stevia, look at the penalties!
"The Hong Kong government said stevia has not gained international
expert endorsement as a safe artificial sweetener and is prohibited for
use in the territory.
Anyone found violating the law will be prosecuted, facing a maximum
penalty of a fine of HK$50,000 (about $6,400) and six months in jail"
http://www.japantoday.com/gidx/news207417.html
Shall we go on?
Ratty
Flying Rat
> It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
> market.
>
t2_lurking
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Ted Rosenberg
William A. Noyes
> Hua Kul said this...
> > It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
> > market.
> >
> Amazing how they all pop up, singing from the same warped hymn sheet.
You use a large brush.
>
> Doubtless the advance guard for a Barking Betty invasion
I won't bet on it.
BUT do you have some toxiciological studies on the topic?
So far all I see going on is "monkey see and monkey do."
I have no strong opinions either way about the sweetners.
So far all I see someone (you) moving their mouth or their fingers.
Hong Kong is pretty corrupt. I have personal hatred of
the rulers of Singapore ( a police state with a velvet glove).
The EU controlled in part by big business, IMHO
Ted Rosenberg
supplements and attacking all goverments
He makes these idiotic attacks on anything which disagrees with he and
his mentor Betty the Bitch
matt weber
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>
>"Flying Rat" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> Hua Kul said this...
>> > It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
>> > market.
I seriously doubt the two events are related. In the 1970's quite a
few products on the GRAS list were removed when it was discovered that
generaly regarded as safe often meant nobody had ever tested them, and
when they were tested, the results suggested they were anything but
Safe. Anyone remember how many food colourings left the GRAS list?
Jez
> > It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
> > market.
> >
> Amazing how they all pop up, singing from the same warped hymn sheet.
>
> Doubtless the advance guard for a Barking Betty invasion
>
> Let's start here
>
> http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia
>
Hi ratty
http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/aspartame041703.cfm
--
Ho hum
Jez
"Few of us can easily surrender our belief that
society must somehow make sense. The thought
that the State has lost its mind and is punishing so
many innocent people is intolerable. And so the
evidence has to be internally denied."
- Arthur Miller
Hua Kul
> use of stevia,
Regulations don't make things safe or unsafe.
> nor is there a sufficient basis to conclude that stevia
> in generally recognized as safe among qualified experts for its intended
> use in food..."
Yes there is.
> ...plus many other
> pages detailing the FDA's actions in bringing Stevia sellers to court.
You approve of that kind of government persecution?!?
>
> Hong Kong and Singapore have also banned Stevia, look at the penalties!
>
> "The Hong Kong government said stevia has not gained international
> expert endorsement as a safe artificial sweetener and is prohibited for
> use in the territory.
> Anyone found violating the law will be prosecuted, facing a maximum
> penalty of a fine of HK$50,000 (about $6,400) and six months in jail"
>
> http://www.japantoday.com/gidx/news207417.html
Singapore also bans the chewing of gum. Yeah, my kind of country
(NOT)!
>
> Shall we go on?
I wish we would go on, to a time when the FDA would actually work to
help Americans toward good health, and not employ draconian police
measures to keep us from using healthful natural foods like stevia and
l-tryptophan and other supplements like GHB, just in order to preserve
obscene profits for big drug companies that are poisoning us with
things like Aspartame and Prozac. The FDA once even banned salt
tablets (!?!) so contact lens users were forced to buy extremely
expensive (for salt water) "sterile saline solution." I have no doubt
they could have banned rubbing our eyes with our fingers if one of the
companies they're in bed with could have profited. The administrator
behind that ban was later convicted of taking bribes and the ban was
lifted. I dunno, maybe he moved to Singapore.
--Hua Kul
Julie Bove
"Jez" <iced_...@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> Hi ratty
<snip>
Do you think we're stupid or something? You just posted a link from Mad
Betty herself! Now go away little troll.
William A. Noyes
of the establishment. I see that he can spell idiot. Ha Ha
He never uses specifics and all Teddie ever does is attack.
Teddie is just a boring bare assed chimpanzee, who is likely
impotent and obese.
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Jez
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>
>
>
>
> "Jez" <iced_...@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:3f630dbc$0$240$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
>
> > Hi ratty
>
> <snip>
>
> Do you think we're stupid or something? You just posted a link from Mad
> Betty herself! Now go away little troll.
>
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> "Flying Rat" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Hua Kul said this...
>>
>>>It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
>>>market.
>>>
>>
>>Amazing how they all pop up, singing from the same warped hymn sheet.
>>
>>Doubtless the advance guard for a Barking Betty invasion
>>
>>Let's start here
>>
>>http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia
>>
>
>
>
> Hi ratty
>
> http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/aspartame041703.cfm
Amd three lines down on that page:
Contact Betty Martini, Mission Possible Intl, 770 242-2599
www.dorway.com
A hint for new people here: Betty every once in a while puts up fake
names, sock puppets to spout this anti-aspartame whackiness, and it
almost always turns out to be lies on her part. By sheer repetition,
she's gotten a lot of otherwise reasonable people to give her claims
some credence.
Betty is a *complete* whackjob. Check out the snopes.com and
urbanlegends.com sites for more information about her campaign.
Ted Rosenberg
take YOUR crap and go back to kissing Momma Betty's ass
Julie Bove
"Jez" <iced_...@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> Go fuck yerself.
Gee, I might like that! *L*
Sleepyman
Shit! When I woke up this morning, everyone I know or lives anywhere I
have been, is either dead, or in the hospital dying a horrible
death......A plague is on the land! Oh no....They ALL use Aspartame!
I'm next.......... Oh nooooooooooooooo!
Sleepy
================================
OK, so what's the speed of dark?
================================
Simm Webb
She, I will not swear,
However, when her husband comes home this evening,
I do hope that she gets up off the porch, runs down to greet him,
wagging her tail and barking at him.
Hey BETTY!!!!
Where are all of those lawsuits you have been promising for the last 6 years!!!
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:29:12 GMT, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nka...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>A hint for new people here: Betty every once in a while puts up fake
>names, sock puppets to spout this anti-aspartame whackiness, and it
>almost always turns out to be lies on her part. By sheer repetition,
>she's gotten a lot of otherwise reasonable people to give her claims
>some credence.
>
>Betty is a *complete* whackjob. Check out the snopes.com and
>urbanlegends.com sites for more information about her campaign.
Being liberal means not having to say you are sorry.
Jez
"Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nka...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Jez wrote:
>
> > "Flying Rat" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.19cc6d4bb...@news.individual.net...
> >
> >>Hua Kul said this...
> >>
> >>>It used to be on the FDA's GRAS list, until Aspartame was brought to
> >>>market.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Amazing how they all pop up, singing from the same warped hymn sheet.
> >>
> >>Doubtless the advance guard for a Barking Betty invasion
> >>
> >>Let's start here
> >>
> >>http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/multimedia/webpage/stevia
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi ratty
> >
> > http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/aspartame041703.cfm
>
> Amd three lines down on that page:
>
> Contact Betty Martini, Mission Possible Intl, 770 242-2599
> www.dorway.com
>
> A hint for new people here: Betty every once in a while puts up fake
> names, sock puppets to spout this anti-aspartame whackiness, and it
> almost always turns out to be lies on her part.
Maybe Betty is a looney.....
but I wouldn't trust any product that came from Serle/Monsanto.
And approved for use by the twisted machinations of a certain Rumsefield.
--
Ho Hum
Jez
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> Maybe Betty is a looney.....
> but I wouldn't trust any product that came from Serle/Monsanto.
> And approved for use by the twisted machinations of a certain Rumsefield.
Then you'd better stop using soap, wearing clothes, or eating bread,
because they make a *LOT* of the components of modern life. From
industrial textiles to thousands of chemical sources to sead grains,
they make all of it, and because they sell the raw components rather
than the finished products, they don't show up on the labels.