DOS games do not work
neal
backwards compatible with programs that worked in earlier
versions.
when i first got my comptuer it was pre installed with
Windows ME. As much as a horrible operating system this
was, at least it would emulate a DOS mode so i could play
all of my old games (Doom2, Quarantine, Transport
Tycoon... Etc.)
When Windows ME crapped out and started requiring a hard
reboot several times a day, i upgraded to Windows XP
Professional, and now none of my games work. This REALLY
ticks me off, because these are games that i play, games
that i spent money on, games that can keep me entertained
while using my computer, and for some reason this OS makes
no attempt to even try to run them. You would think if we
could put a man on the moon, we could program a comptuer
to emulate MS-DOS mode in a window for crying out loud.
and don't pull that "compatibility mode" bullplop with me.
you know as well as i do that it doesn't do jack. Who
needs to emulate windows 95?!?!? programs that worked on
windows 95 still work in XP, how about a program that's
compatible with full screen MS-DOS and programs that
utilized DOS4GW in order to run.
i seriously hope you guys have either a) something to fix
this problem or b) plans to fix this problem in the
future, because when Windows XP 2007 or whatever comes out
i just might be buying a used copy of 98 Second Edition
off of ebay
Douglas Thrift
You might want to check out my FAQ for possible solutions, and if none
of them work you might consider dual booting with DOS and Windows XP.
___________________________________________________________________________
Douglas William Thrift
DouglasW...@REMOVETHESEmyrealbox.com
<http://www.douglasthrift.net/>
Windows XP FAQ <http://computers.douglasthrift.net/winxpfaq.html>
(If you have used my FAQ you may wish to take my poll)
"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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Bill Crocker
Windows XP, that's why most people buy it. To complain that your DOS games
do not run under Windows XP, would be like complaining that your car won't
run on cooking oil.
If you want to run DOS games under Windows, then Windows 98SE is probably
your best bet.
Bill Crocker
"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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TheFlash
offered before you upgraded to it.
When you bought your car did you look under the hood or did you test
drive it to see what it would do. Looks like you expected something that
you never investigated any time into to see what it would do.
We have people in here buying systems off the shelf at Kmart, Walmart,
Comp.,
Bestbuy, GateWay and expecting to have a system that will perform. These
are not toasters people.
Stop all your freaking crying and get a real computer or learn how to run
the
one you have.
People in here are trying to run games that were made to run on 286, 486
systems.
Time to move on, dual boot, use PlayStation, Atari, Gameboy, or a secondary
system.
What burns my rear end are those that attempt to run Pong on XP.
If you are happy with your dos based games and appz then why in the
world did you get a new system. You could of picked up a used one for
just a few bucks and ran Doom or a Dos based Word Processor.
Now if you have a real problem then post it. Don't expect to get away with
these
lame ass questions or comments.
"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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neal
first of all, why wouldn't this tick me off? i have a
computer that plays new games but not old games. i want to
play old games but cannot. i have the right to be upset at
this, and you can't take that right away from me.
i investigated into the matter, but since the version of
XP was actually obtained before the official release date,
i had very limited info on what it would do. it would
follow common sense that anything WIN95 can do, WINXP can
do better. apparently this logic is flawed.
get a real computer? how more real can you get? a computer
is a computer. i bought mine as a high end machine from
dell (back when dell made real computers, before they
turned all wuss).i spent a lot of money compared to what
was the "norm" at the time, and i have lots of experience
using a computer, and almost equal experience using basic
windows, macintosh OS, and DOS. it is kind of ironic that
my favorite OS out of all of these is DOS. i can
type "copy 123.avi ..\moves" faster than allowed with the
windows GUI.
yes, these games were made to run on a 286, 386, or 486.
Well i have a pentium4, and last time i checked they are
faster than a 286, 386, AND 486.
once again i woudl like to express my opinion that
ANYTHING MICROSOFT WINDOWS 95 CAN DO, WINDOWS XP SHOULD BE
ABLE TO DO BETTER.
perhaps i am wrong? thank you for being such a jerk when
pointing this out to me.
i really LIKE my DOS based games, but i am not HAPPY with
them. hence the new computer. i don't see IE or Mozilla or
Photoshop or mIRC or AIM or AutoCAD running on a DOS
machine. that's because its not supported like it was back
in the day.
perhaps it is time for a dual boot? that is an EXCELLENT
suggestion. Now, if you could explain the process (i
almost attempted a ME/XP dual boot when installing XP, but
i was drunk when i installed XP and it kind of slipped my
mind) i would be much abliged. If you are going to just be
an ass then please by all means continue to be an ass.
if this isn't a "REAL PROBLEM" by your means, then what IS
a real problem for the "WINDOWS XP, GAMES" forum? you are
an idiot.
>.
>
neal
sorry, but the faq wasn't written about my problem. My
problem is, basically, that when a game is launched (ex.
quarantine, transport tycoon), the command prompt window
opens, and hten closes with no message. when im done
writing this i will see if i can see any message by
running the command prompt seperatly (so it doens't close)
how would one set up a dual boot with DOS? or any other
windows operating system for that matter? i might be
interested if it fixes my problem, thanks
oh and thanks for not being a jerk, like "theflash"
>.
>
Anonymous
operating systems applications, but nobody expects any
other operating system (OS X for example) to do so?
Microsoft has great compatibility compared to other
Operating system manufacturers, from PC os's to Nintendo
type game boxes, one thing is clear: Microsoft makes more
of an effort in compatibility than any of the rest.
and, if you know so much about computers, why didn't you
just simply make a dos boot disk?
>.
>
neal
origiona DOS drivers to load my mouse and sound, etc.
i expect the most from my products. if i have high
expectations of microsoft then that's my own problem, let
me worry about that. if i had low expectations i wouldn't
be voicing my opinion with what's wrong with their
prodect, and they'd never fix anything.
as for macintosh, i believe that most software written for
OS X is also compatible with that written for OS9. and on
top of that, OS X has a "classic" mode that emulates
system 8 and beyond to ensure that all older programs
work. but the macintosh didn't utilize the fullscreen
mode, VGA and SVGA like PCs did. mainly because there were
few games written for it. i don't see what your people's
problem is with my complaint, it is a statement directly
to microsoft. let them handle my complaint. if you people
were tech supports no one would use this software.
>.
>
TheFlash
known
it was based on NT. I knew way back at 98 that Dos was on its way out.
This was not hidden info it was widely publicized.
You are blaming XP for your lack of know how. There were problems back
in Windows 3.0 and 3.1 Workgroups with running Dos Games through it. A
little understanding on the ini files helped and some tweaking helped but
there were some that had to be run outside of 3.1. Same with 95, 98, ME, NT,
2000. Why is this a new issue?
Back in the Win3.1 days you made a batch file to load your OS or your games.
Now you can Dual Boot. Run DOS, 3.1, OS2, 2000, NT, Server, XP, Novel....et.
You blow your top because you do not have the understanding to do
this...Wake up!
This should of dawned on you when most your sound cards stopped giving you
the option
of installing dos based drivers for sound. My God people were pissed off at
2000 that Quake internet play was a pain to get going if ever.
I liked DOS. I have a good understanding of the way things work because of
DOS. I could multi-task in DOS. But get this, You are no longer running your
Dos based games with a Dos based OS. Get over it!!!
Buy a 486, get a video switch box and blow your mind playing Doom.
I keep some of these older system just for that. Unlike you I thought ahead.
All computers are not the same. Things different are not the same.
I can build them cheap or I can build them with current technology.
Dell, Compaq, et. build for prophet. Most of us build for stability.
Why doesn't my system crash or lock up? I looked into what worked best
for XP and then I built it and it worked.
People in this NG are complain that their Printer included with Webcam
system is
crashing, What did you expect for that great price?
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Lin
Subsystem" is. It just happens to be a pretty lame emulator
--
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Lin
world shopping for a new computer. You buy a new computer, it comes with
XP, and you better like it because you have no choice. Used to be, each new
version of Windows did more, but was easier to use. Now with XP, you have to
be a Systems Administrator, you have to spend countless hours tweeking and
upgrading drivers and game versions, you have to contemplate running 2
versions of Windows on the same computer. If you need 2 versions of an OS on
your computer just to play games, then something is drastically wrong with
the OS. Somebody's laughing all the way to the bank over that deal, and it's
certainly not you or me. But then some people probably think it's a good
idea to keep an extra set of mounted tires in the back of their SUV in case
they find a road they can't drive on with the tires that are on it.
--
"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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Bill Crocker
It accepts most DOS commands, but it not a 16-bit MS-DOS subsystem.
Bill Crocker
"Lin" <linh...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Lin
fluidly about in Microsoft's Knowledge Base?
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TheFlash
to be planned from the get go.
You build a game system. There are only a few sources for buying a system
that has been designed for gaming. Just because the advertisement is showing
someone playing a game with the system on XP does not make it a gaming
system.
Gaming systems start with careful planning. Each part of the system needs to
be proven compatible. Mainboards and memory should be matched.
Cooling fans, Heatsinks, Power Supply. This all makes the system, including
the
box. One bar of memory may not work well with the cpu and board.
If you are not able to do this then pay to have someone put one together for
you.
Make sure they will stand behind it and replace any part that has a
compatibility
problem.
You do not get gaming systems off the shelf at Walmart.
Do not complain when your Word Processor does not play high end, graphic
hungry
games.
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Lin
play games. That's all. I don't give a rat's patoot about whether I'm
getting four times or five times the framerate the human eye can detect. My
computer came with XP. Gaming on it sucked. Rather than blueprinting the
engine, changing the gear ratios and buying fat tires, I simply "downgraded"
my OS to WinME. Bang, all my games ran much better, the old Dos ones, and
the new high end graphics hungry ones.
But I guess when you're running an OS as big, bloated and overhead-sucking
as XP, you need all the horsepower you can get.
--
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horsepower.
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Don Burnette
Of course, I did download and run the compatibility wizard so I would know
up front if I had any games and/or hardware that might cause me problems.
But then, I don't still run old dos games, and really have no desire to go
back to running them.
This is the result of the evolution of technology. Eventually the old gets
phased out for the new or newer, heck just look at the consoles for a good
example.
Don Burnette
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Travis Howell
I find ms-dos support is quite good under Windows XP, I have a few games
whose Windows versions fail under Windows XP while their dos verisons work
fine which is surprising.
Check the settings in your autoexec.nt and config.nt files (Located in
/Windows/System32/ directory) and the properties of games to make sure they
are getting enough memory.
If games require vesa support try vbeplus at
http://unirefresh.demonews.com/download.html and make sure you start games
in full screen mode.
If you need improved sound support, try VDM Sound at
http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/
For Doom 2 it would be easiest just to use the official windows version
(Doom95) or one of the many other ports.
It would help if you list all the dos games you are having problems with.
Could also try dosbox at http://dosbox.zophar.net/ and bochs at
http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ with provide emulation too.
And if you still have no luck try using a boot disk, Windows 98/98SE boot
disks provide generic CD-ROM drivers, is easy to find generic mouse drivers
(like cutemouse) and just need to add sound card drivers if needed.
Bill Crocker
prompt...it was developed by a third party.
Bill Crocker
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Brian
make a 100% working DOS Emulator one day for these old games.
"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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EGMcCann
1. They are DOS games.
2. XP is NT-based. 9x was an outgrowth of DOS/Windows.
3. NT-based systems don't *like* letting things access, say, sound and video
hardware.
FWIW, I do have one or two DOS games (Syndicate comes to mind... ok, maybe
one.) working in NT. Works just fine from a command line. Another (Subwar
2050) doesn't - doesn't even copy the game files over properly. Not sure
why, not worried.
EGMcCann
>
>
> sorry, but the faq wasn't written about my problem. My
> problem is, basically, that when a game is launched (ex.
> quarantine, transport tycoon), the command prompt window
> opens, and hten closes with no message. when im done
Sounds like you're trying to run it by double clicking on an .exe or .bat
file. Open a command prompt window, and try typing in the executable or
batch file name.
> writing this i will see if i can see any message by
> running the command prompt seperatly (so it doens't close)
Normaly. Doesn't always work... *shrug*
> how would one set up a dual boot with DOS? or any other
> windows operating system for that matter? i might be
> interested if it fixes my problem, thanks
Eh... reformat, install DOS, install XP. DOS can't install on NTFS, or even
FAT32. (Of course, Windows 9x doesn't have the FAT32 problem.) And XP
doesn't really like having things installed after it. Before, though, it'll
add it to the boot menu.
Chris H.
Support. Take a look in there, do a Search for "PIF" without the quotes.
It has information on how the user must edit the game program information
file to allow XMS or EMS allocations. Others have posted in this thread
about sound emulation, etc., so no need to touch on that. People are
running DOS games by using the information, investigating and manually
manipulating some things - even though Windows XP doesn't have DOS. Next
time, I'd do more research instead of hollering after the fact. 8-) You
wouldn't purchase a Kenworth T2000 long-haul rig when you only need to
toddle around town and get good gas mileage in a VW bug, would you?
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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Greg
bet. Unfortunately, you are SUPPOSED to install Win 9x OS
before you install Win XP. XP wasn't designed to be 100%
with leagcy software. I didn't, but I don't have any
problems, I really missed being able to play High Heat
2001, but that's a different issue. However, give VMDS a
try. I still use it to play SOME dos games under XP. Most
problems experienced playing MS-DOS games are sound card
related.
http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/
>.
>
EGMcCann
unit (check at Tiger Direct, among others) that will let you switch between
hard drives, with a different OS on each... *shrug*
"Greg" <greg...@nosamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Maddie
World had a "Hands on" article (p164and 165) on "Running Dos games in
WinXP". It might be worth looking at whilst in the newsagents.
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TheFlash
or more.
I had to install my OS more times with both those than I have ever had to do
with XP.
ME sucks all around. I have one system that I took ME off for 98se for
stability sake.
If it was not for out dated hardware I would put XP on it also.
This has nothing to do with hot rod building but a little thought.
It is a sad day when more thought is placed into what kind of toaster or
microware to get
than your computer.
If ME or 98 floats your boat then go back to it. Most crap systems will only
be able to
run with it anyway.
You Get What You Pay For...
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neal
i would like to thank the microsoft guys and anyone else
who has attempted ot help me. i would just like to say
that i am never using these forums agian, because it
SHOUDL be a place where people help each other. but
instead it just a place where poeople tell each other how
dumb they are.
>.
>i
Lin
run. People are perfectly happy to spitcan their favorite games, just so
they can look at XP's pretty colors and play System Administrator. If XP ran
all my games I'd use it. It doesn't. So far ME does. I leave it on 24/7, and
have no memory or resource problems, and no crashes.
It's another sad day when people feel they have to run XP so someone won't
think they have a crap system.
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Lin
about XP's DOS incompatibility. ;)
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"neal" <nsr...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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TheFlash
I do not use XP as a gaming software. I do know in almost
all cases XP is the most efficient OS for most applications.
I you want a gaming system then you should expect to dual
boot, that way you the best off all worlds.
Some of the olds games are fine. My boy runs many on his
486 lap top. They do great!!! That is where they should be, on
systems that they were designed to run on.
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TheFlash
From your first post I did not see anyone looking for help but to start off
being critical. You were not looking for help but to get your two cents in
and your
frustrations off your chest.
If everyone was having trouble with XP then I would say it is XP. Problem is
that
only some are having trouble. I say most of the problems are driver related.
Someone either has not updated or is trying to use one that is not
compatible with their hardware.
Another is the crap systems out on the shelves. Buyer beware, these things
are not
Xboxes or PlayStations. Most of them are crap and have been for years.
Do not expect your HP or Compaq, or your system bought off the TV to run
all your games on XP. It is lucky to run at all...
You buy those to chat, email, type, et.
For you, it is time to move on. I dated a flat cheated girl in grade school,
I moved on...
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Genghis Thom
The problem might be caused by the DOS game trying to access the hardware
directly, which the NT kernel does not allow. There is a utility called
VDMSound which allows you to run DOS games in Windows NT/2000/XP.
http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/
Maddie
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> All this rhetoric created over your post when the answer is in Help and
> Support. Take a look in there, do a Search for "PIF" without the quotes.
> It has information on how the user must edit the game program information
> file to allow XMS or EMS allocations.
snip
Is this newgroup only for experts?
How is someone inexperienced in computer knowledge supposed to know about
"PIF"?
If games don't run well on XP and future releases of Windows the whole
computer industry will suffer, including Microsoft.
I play The Sims and this is not fully compatible with XP even in
compatibility mode. It is much slower than WinMe even when tweaked as much
as possible and "The Sims" is now the best selling series of all time (6
million plus sold). Most of the players I know have stuck with Win98 or ME.
Maybe Microsoft is not explaining it's OS properly to the Game makers and
that is why some games are giving problems. Trying to use the Help and
Support function also is like trying to use a foreign language dictionary.
I still stick with XP though as none of my hardware has problems with it and
it deals with networking and my cable broadband internet connection better.
So you win some, you lose some.
Just my opinion.
Chris H.
information in Help and Support. H&S is vastly improved over previous
operating systems, and has lots of wizards and helpful information. The
original subject was being buried in rhetoric and side comments, with
nothing being offered as help. That's why I posted where to seek the help
the original poster requested.
Have you updated your Sims with the updates? Just curious, though I don't
run it (right now), I didn't notice any decrease in performance when I had
Sim City 2-3000 on the system.
You are certainly correct about people being "inexperienced." Whether
they're new computer users or people who have run all the Win9x series,
Windows XP is definitely a new experience since it does do things
differently. It does come from the NT side of the house, which is much more
rights/permissions/security influenced than any Win9x OS ever was.
And, I've long said, if Windows 95 (insert the name of the current, non-XP
operating system) works for you, does for you what you want and you're happy
with it, there is absolutely no sane reason to spend the money to upgrade
your computer (or buy a new one) just to have Windows XP.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Maddie
Me update the Sims? Not half! I have all the expansions and about 15,000
downloaded objects, programs etc, etc!
The trouble was that Win Me (on my old (450) computer with 128 ram) was
running faster than my new (933) computer with WinXP with 386 ram.
XP and the game needed a lot of tweaking to run The Sims properly on my new
computer.
The reason I bought the new computer? To have more space and speed to run
games.
I bought the upgrade and found that only a complete reinstall would do.
I would have appreciated more help from Microsoft on running a "lean"
machine configuration for non-online games without too many services running
in the background. (I did find some helpful websites from the forums
however).
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Others assisted me years ago (too long to remember now), and I hope others
currently receiving help will remember how it was when they started and
struggled. Windows XP is definitely different from any Win9x line of
operating systems, more complicated and things are done differently, but
also - I think - in the long run much easier with which to work.
On your system adjustments for better speed, take a look in Help and Support
under Managing your computer's performance. There are a lot of guides to
providing much better computing. One simple one is not to run any other
programs, especially an anti-virus program, while you're playing your games
offline. If you're not receiving e-mails, not downloading files, you don't
need the overhead of an AV checking each file on the hard drive when the
game writes or reads it.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft MVP - Windows XP
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
John Williams
to be a good deal of vitreol being cast around. I don't
have a huge collection of old DOS games, but I have tried
a number of them and I can get all but one of them to
work just fine. Some of them definitely use DOS4GW - for
example The Dig which works without having make any
changes in the compatibility mode. The only problem I
have is that I can't seem to enable any legacy joystick
support for eg X-Wing, so if anyone knows how to do that
I'd be grateful.
I have found XP to be a superb product, far more stable
than any of it's predecessors. Although you can't expect
all of your old games to work, I would have thought that
MS would have used DOOM as a benchmark for their DOS
compatibility, so I'm surprised you're having problems
with that. Have you made sure you have the latest
drivers? I'm pretty sure that DOOM uses OpenGL, and I
don't think this is included in the default graphics
drivers that come with XP, so that is one area to check
out. If you upgraded from ME to XP it might be worth
doing a clean install - this is how I installed XP. Good
luck.
John
>.
>
EGMcCann
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> work just fine. Some of them definitely use DOS4GW - for
> example The Dig
Oh, man, I always kicked myself for never picking that one up. How is it?
-Eric
Who thinks Lucasarts should update and re-release Secret Weapons of the
Luftwaffe - and give us a second Sam and Max, too.
Lars-Gunnar Hartveit
"Lin" <linh...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> skrev i melding
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> Yeah nobody tells you that XP stinks, when you're out there in the real
> world shopping for a new computer. You buy a new computer, it comes with
> XP, and you better like it because you have no choice. Used to be, each
new
> version of Windows did more, but was easier to use. Now with XP, you have
to
> be a Systems Administrator, you have to spend countless hours tweeking and
> upgrading drivers and game versions, you have to contemplate running 2
> versions of Windows on the same computer. If you need 2 versions of an OS
on
> your computer just to play games, then something is drastically wrong with
> the OS. Somebody's laughing all the way to the bank over that deal, and
it's
> certainly not you or me. But then some people probably think it's a good
> idea to keep an extra set of mounted tires in the back of their SUV in
case
> they find a road they can't drive on with the tires that are on it.
>
Needing 2 OS's in order to run different games is not new. There are several
DOS based games which would not run on Windows 9x, due to for instance
proprietary memory managers. There was no way for instance you could run the
Ultima7 games from windows9x, not even from their DOS box. You had to boot
the machine into DOS. Well since then Ultima fans have developed wrappers so
you can run it even on XP. But out of the box - no way.
Another point is that many good old games designed for the 386 and before
are completely unplayable because they run too fast. Solution: programs lik
MoSlo kan run them at lower speeds, but out of the box - no way.
So if you want to use old software on newer systems you have to be prepared
to do some tweaking.
I'm perfectly happy with my winxp system, it's much more stable than my
older win98, and it does several things faster. I skipped win Me - didn't
like what I read about it, so I did not aquire it simple as that. I knew of
course that there might be problems with some of my older games, but so far
I've been pleasantly surprised.
IMHO excpecting winxp to run all programs that win9x did is unreasonable.
And probably also undesireable. Demanding total backwards compatibility
require more programming resources, will increase complexity of the system
and probably reduce performance.
larsg
Lars-Gunnar Hartveit
"Greg" <greg...@nosamhotmail.com> skrev i melding
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> Bummer. The dual booting with Win 98SE might be your best
> bet. Unfortunately, you are SUPPOSED to install Win 9x OS
> before you install Win XP. XP wasn't designed to be 100%
> with leagcy software. I didn't, but I don't have any
> problems, I really missed being able to play High Heat
> 2001, but that's a different issue. However, give VMDS a
> try. I still use it to play SOME dos games under XP. Most
> problems experienced playing MS-DOS games are sound card
> related.
>
I reinstalled win98 on nother partition, after booting the machine from the
CD.
Then I booted the machne from the winxp cd and did a repair installation.
(Observe that this approach require that you installed XP using Fat32)
Every thing works fine.
larsg
Lars-Gunnar Hartveit
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> Maybe you should have come looking for help without your indignant
attitude.
> From your first post I did not see anyone looking for help but to start
off
> being critical. You were not looking for help but to get your two cents in
> and your
> frustrations off your chest.
I agree. The XP-doesn't-work-on-my-system-therefore-XP-sucks attitude is a
far to large generalisation, and probably not the best approach if you are
looking for help.
larsg
Lin
because you're an idiot and your computer is an old piece of junk" is far
too large a generalization, and probably not the best approach either. But
you see a lot of arrogant posters here saying that. Those of us here who are
critical of XP are generally rewarded by personal attacks and flames by
pompous know-it-alls.
It's good to know there are still posters like you out there who can conduct
a dialog without resorting to personal attacks.
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TheFlash
say ignorant. I do blame MS for much of the ignorance of the
typical computer user. With the release of 95 and the advertisement
campaign of children using the new PP OS it has dumped the mind of
people. To think that now we can use a computer without knowing
anything about the OS, Hardware, et. I can now point and click and
nothing can stand in my way....Bull.
You are typical. You wanted to save money but complain when the hardware
and OS conflict. You want to run games that push your hardware but have
no clue about patches, upgrades, drivers.
I am sorry to say but most of your computers are junk.
The case has poor airflow which means too much heat and you lockup or shut
down.
Your heatsink and fan are not antiquate to cool you cpu and again, lockup or
shut down if not burn up.
Your mainboard and memory are not matched so you get reboots, lockup,
freeze,
bluescreen.
You video stutters but what did you expect for that great price for a
3Dcard.
Most of you bought wordproccessors with the ability to chat and email. Live
with it
or research more next time. If you are to lazy or ignorant to do that then
pay someone
to do it for you....
XP does have issues, those that use it.
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Lars-Gunnar Hartveit
"Lin" <linh...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> skrev i melding
> The "XP works fine on my system, therefore if it doesn't work on yours,
it's
> because you're an idiot and your computer is an old piece of junk" is far
> too large a generalization, and probably not the best approach either. But
> you see a lot of arrogant posters here saying that. Those of us here who
are
> critical of XP are generally rewarded by personal attacks and flames by
> pompous know-it-alls.
> It's good to know there are still posters like you out there who can
conduct
> a dialog without resorting to personal attacks.
>
Of course I agree with you on that one too. Anyone could benefit by a little
bit Humility (which btw is one of the virtues in the Ultima gemes :-))
I don't know what it is, but discussions of OS'es seem to sometimes to
provoke much aggression. Just mention Linux in an Windos NG, or Windows in a
Linux NG and you know what happens. I for one use both Linux and Windows. on
my PC's and are quite happy with both.
But this is a digression.
I should perhaps have added to my previous post: "If you have a problem with
running XP, then you have a problem running XP". And asking for help is OK.
Nice to meet you.
larsg
>
Lin
what you read, you'd know that most people here have pretty new machines
with decent processor speed and video cards. Some are new to computers and
thought they were getting an appliance, and others have been doing this for
years. And they're all still having trouble. It's easy to blow problems off
by ASSuming someone's hardware is junk or they're "ignorant". I've been
doing computers since I learned basic on a CoCo II in the early 80's. I've
used everything from CP/M to XP. I'm systems administrator for the network
at work. I do our database and our website. I've built a dozen machines for
my own use. I still own every computer I ever had, except my original 128k
Mac, which I gave to a friend. I don't dislike XP because I don't know what
I'm doing, I dislike it because I DO know what I'm doing. I don't dislike it
because I'm too dumb to jump throught the hoops that Microsoft wants me to.
I dislike it because those same hoops are ridiculously unnecessary. If I
want hoops, I'll use Linux. So don't pretend to know what my heatsink looks
like or my fan is doing or what the hell kind of video card I have or how
lazy or ignorant I am.
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TheFlash
thinking this is a top of the line system.
I put this system together based the problem others were having.
Doing so I have been able to avoid the problem you are having.
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Lin
problems. Now I can run pretty much any game I want without a lot of hoops
and BS, plus many games that it's just flat impossible to run on XP.
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TheFlash
I would think you would be more interested in using the full resources of
your
OS with your Hardware. ME will never take advantage of what XP has to offer.
Performance wise you are on the @#$# end of the stick using winME.
With all your experience why did you not just do a dual boot?
If you want to run games then you should go back to 98SE not ME.
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Lin
don't have real Dos without a boot disk. Plus ME has some of the same
features that XP has. I have seen NO evidence of the "problems" people have
with ME. I have had NO TROUBLE with ME. If you did, maybe you should just
have learned how to use it properly. (Oops THAT sounds familiar). In my
experience ME is just as stable on my new system as 98 was on my old one.
Most of my games run faster on ME than XP too. XP sucks up WAY more
resources than ME or 98SE, so I'd think you LOSE performance with XP over
ME. I've read lots of articles and benchmarks supporting that view, although
you can find support for just about any viewpoint on the net. I know myself
that XP's 16-bit MS-DOS Subsystem is less efficient that the one in XP
because I've run Dos games in both, and run Dos benchmarks in both. Dos
games simply run faster with ME. It's been my experience that many Windows
games do too.
And the main point. I'm more interested in running the software I want to
run. The OS is purely a tool to use to do that.. If it won't do that, it's
the WRONG OS. What good is "using the full resources of your computer" if
you can't RUN THE SOFTWARE YOU WANT TO RUN. For those who's computer exists
purely to run the "latest Microsoft OS", and to heck with software that
won't run on it, more power to them. Let them look at their pretty GUI,
spend most of their time fiddling and tweaking, just to run the few games it
will let them run. I can run the same games and lots more.
Oh, and dual booting? Why bother when one version of Windows will run
everything I want to run? You only need to dual boot when you're using XP.
If you like XP great, I'm happy for you. If you're proud of the machine you
built that actually has enough horsepower to make XP get out of it's own
way, I'm happy for you. But to me that's not the important thing. Running
what ever software I feel like running is the important thing to me.
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returning to a game soon.
Yves
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Wow. That's a reply to an OLD message.... and yeah, I know about (and
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