I'm bored...
**Medic**
arrest now...
~ Med
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sniping people at random just for amusement. I hope when they catch the
duo (apparently it's two people), that the police claim one of them reached
for a gun and that they fill them full of lead. Of coarse by now they
probably ditched the white van.
Apparently they used a .223 caliber weapon (I'm guessing they were refering
to a 5.56mm NATO weapon. My guess is that they are probably using an AR-15
as it is fairly accurate. Witnesses reported hearing shots in one case, but
most of them don't mention hearing shots so I'm guessing that he might have
a silencer on it which is pretty scary. Normally 5.56mm weapons like the
AR-15's make a fairly loud bang that gets your attention really quick. A
silencer, while not totally muting regular 5.56mm rounds due to the "pop" it
makes, still reduces the noise level substantially and makes it more
difficult to tell the direction from which the gunshot came from.
Scary stuff.
:(
Wraith
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**Medic**
personal experience. :) I don't even use ear plugs firing one of those.
Haha. One of the news reports was saying that the victim riding the
lawnmower had an entry wound the size of a fist. I know M16/AR15s are known
to leave some pretty nasty wounds, but the size of a fist for an ENTRY wound
is pretty damn big. I wouldn't be surprised if the shooter used an
ammunition like the M855 rounds (also known as the 5.56 Penetrator). I'll
definitely be wondering what kind of weapon the guy is using, hope they let
us know in the news.
I'll have to say, though, that I'm not particularly worried about being the
next victim. Let's face it, half the towns around here have murder-a-day
years. B'more was like that last year, and with DC, nothing surprises me. I
went to lunch once on Georgia Avenue and they had a bunch of cop cars at a
liquor store because someone got shot out there during broad daylight. It's
not exactly that uncommon. The thing that makes a difference here is that
this guy is actually a decent shot and doesn't unload half a clip in a
close-range driveby shooting. Something different for a change.
It's ironic, though. The other night we passed through downtown DC trying to
get from Arlington, VA to Maryland, and I was joking to my friend, "Maybe we
should stop and get the flak jackets out since we're going through this
neighborhood."
~ Med
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<Medi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>... anyone here hear about the DC sniper?
Just plain sickening.
Lawnmower salesman: "sir, would your like a bullet proof vest to go
with that lawnmower?"
Canuck
"People sleep peacably in their beds at night only because
rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
-George Orwell
Wraith
my ears were ringing for a week. Although I suppose once you start going
deaf it won't matter much. LOL! But also I do audio engineering so my ears
are extremely valuable tools that I try to protect as much as possible.
But yeah 5.56mm can be nasty. But I think that report of a entry would the
size of a fist was probably heavily exagerated. I doubt that even a
shotgun slug would do that (although maybe the exit wound would look like
that).
But they definitely said .223 and they showed a bunch of .223 caliber rifles
including one bolt-action rifle I didn't recognize.
But yeah in those parts, your chances of getting shot by someone else is
probably a lot higher. That shooter is most likely going to move off to
another area to do his sniping. He most likely already switched to a
different vehicle as well if he's smart.
Fortunately most criminals are stupid and a good shooter is not always a
bright person...especially when he decides to take up shooting people for
sport. So imagine that he'll probably end up making a mistake and getting
caught.
Wraith
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nasty round. A bunch of countries are already trying to have them outlawed,
but I don't see that happen anytime soon.
Med
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ScottCovey
I would imagine that is a media embellishment or someone saw a blood stain
that size and it got put to copy. A .50 doesn't leave a fist sized hole
going in; close to it though espessially going into the rib cage as you get
a bit of bone bounce action. .223 Hollow point would leave an exit wound
that size if it didn't fragment too much as they tend to do hitting us ugly
bags of water! At least you can wear a flak jacket in the Free zone of the
DC, Can't in LA city limits! Strange Days indeed!
tket
correctly. That makes for less stable spin.
Hence immidiate defletion on contact of the round.
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Wraith
typing from memory. At any rate it's a different (and better) twist ratio
then in the A1 version which was either 1 in 10 or 1 in 12 (I forget which).
The 1 in 7 twist gave the M16A2 better penetrating power and range... .
I'm not sure what the M4 uses. I only know that it has less range and
penetrating power then the M16A2.
Wraith
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ScottCovey
hand at profiling? Used to love Millennium (the tv show filmed in BC) Ex
bullet sponge got tossed out of operations and tried his hand with an
Alphabet soup agency and liked watching Apocalypse now!!
Probably way off base?
Nut he won't stop till he is killed or caught as he is no doubt drunk with
media attention. Still funny the Taliban scenario hasn't been too prominent.
They know something they ain't (except by accident) telling. Didn't the Shop
mark death scenes with Tarot cards?
Gee bet that puts me on a few lists!!
Scott
Rizla Ranger UK
via a crime reporter on the NY Times
The Police Chief, during a press conference was
asked something like "what is the shooters motive?"
He replied "God only knows." He then mentioned something
about being worried for the children at schools....
The next day, the shooter slots a kid and leaves the tarot
card proclaiming "I am God, mr policeman"...
Later, during another <<TV Interview>> an FBI profiler was
asked if the shooter was a marksman. G-Man replies that if
he was a sharpshooter then he would show his skill by doing
head shots rather than body shots. Lo and behold the next
killing was a headshot at the petrol station...
They reckon this guy is clearly following the coverage.
For that reason, I think he's going to shoot someone
while they give a live interview on the TV, maybe even
Police Chief Moose. That shot is the one that'll maybe
get him caught, but it's also the "shot" everyone would
see!
Also of interest is how many shooting are daytime. Clearly
he knows he is easier to find at night, what with FLIR on
the police helo's etc, plus less people on the streets and
less cars on the roads, so he sticks to daylight shootings
(although I think the last head shot one was at night?)
Maybe he even plays Lalo's soundtrack to Dirty Harry
while he works!!
My only reason for suggesting the Taliban connection
is because of those Canadian long range hits from
before - the Taliban suddenly remembered the power
"to reach out and touch someone" LOL ;)
Max Res!
Wraith
famous TV anchormen and women were hosting their shows directly from the
area of the shootings and advertised a day in advance that they would do
that. That's like inviting the shooter to shoot the hosts of their show.
Really stupid. I don't know what those media people are thinking. Even
wearing a Type IV bullet-proof vest and a kevlar helmet would be useless
against a skilled sniper who could shoot them through the neck, or in areas
not protected by the ceramic plates.
But I didn't even see them wearing any kind of protection. Like you, I also
think that soon he's going to make a really high profile shot because now
that everyone is looking for him and keeping an eye out for anything
suspicious, his time is limited.
But I guess only in America eh? I'm just glad I'm not in the Washington
D.C. area right now. :) If I was I'd probably dress up like a homeless
guy wearing my old Army clothes, because nobody cares if a whino gets shot
so he probably won't go after them. Same for hoodrats.
Also... the tarot card may be a trap set by the police. Ok look at it
like this. Their are only so many places that sell tarot cards... actually
very few shops. If they purposefully planted that card, they may be trying
to get the shooter to think that now he must go out and buy a tarot deck so
he can keep it up and put down more cards. If they can stake out those
shops with surveillance equipment, they may catch their shooter or someone
who knows him, buying those cards.
Anyways, that's just a theory.
Wraith
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Rizla Ranger UK
I thought the 'import&export' of firearms
throughout the world has become difficult
because Victor Bout died? Do I remember
rightly that he died a few months back?
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/vbout00.htm
doesn't mention it here, maybe I'm wrong
Max Res!
ScottCovey
Never ran the idea of a press conference hit. Stylish and oh so over the
top! But I like it! In a non lethal if were talking movies kind of
way...Yeah fuck it could you imagine the holy shit factor as the press
newsbies did the duck and cover. Welcome to the Bang Bang Club!!
Cheers
Scott
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> Date: 11 Oct 2002 01:43:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: I'm bored...
>
Wraith
arrested?). At any rate the man obviously didn't work alone and I imagine
he had high level business associaties that are still carrying out his
business unless his orginization fell apart. But Tket would know more
about the arms trade then I would. But the best option is to try to get in
the arms legally if at all possible. Hmm.... I just thought of something.
Perhaps some of the "game wardens" in Africa would be interested in placing
some orders. If it's just a small amount of weapons this might be doable if
you found some game wardens who were sympathetic to your cause and would be
willing to help you place an order for particular types of weapons and
military equipment. The equipment could be bought with a "generous"
donation to their wildlife parks with of coarse some of that money going to
them. It wouldn't be cheap but that's one way.
Really what I think it all boils down to is how much research and $$ you are
willing to invest in various methods of arms smuggling. I am not an expert
on this matter, but I imagine that it boils down to several steps:
Step 1: Purchasing the weapons and equipment.
Step 2: Finding an area that the arms can be shipped as close as possible
to the area where you want the weapons but with the least amount of risk of
having them confiscated. This step should be done legally if at all
possible.
Step 3: Preparing a secure staging area within the target country.
Step 4: Getting the weapons to the area in which they are needed. Options
could include moving the equipment over borders by foot in areas that are
lightly patrolled. Then meeting up with vehicles and personel within the
target country just across the border which will take the weapons and
equipment to the staging area.
If the area is far away, then perhaps low level air insertion of equipment
may be practical depending on the air defense/radar coverage of the country
to be infiltrated. Beach landings are another possibility, but that would
likely be just as expensive (if not more), more complicated
(logistics-wise), and just as risky even with a security team on the beach
to guide in the beach landing and to guard against any detection of the
landing. Local fishermen perhaps could be used however, but they would be a
security weakness and they may report any strange offers to local law
enforcement.
Step 5: Begin training or if training has already been done, begin then
actual operations.
Of coarse with no knowledge of the actual operation that's just a general
framework for which to view the problem. But with specific details, maps,
and most importantly money and lots of it, things can happen. Less money
means you have to think more creatively. Also there may be other arms
smugglers in the region who we may not know about. Careful usage of bribes
with rebel groups in the region could perhaps point not only to a source for
weapons but perhaps a group that can obtain them for you in exchange for
$$... that is if they are to be trusted and if the transaction is done in a
secure manner to guard against betrayal.
That is where someone with a good working knowledge of local politics and
social power structures can be very valuable. ;)
But it's all about the details in logistics and again, how much research,
$$, and energy you're willing to put into carrying out an operation as well
as what kind of time schedule you're looking at to accomplish the various
steps.
Oh... Also two seperate routes of smuggling weapons can also be used to
insure that if one route fails, the entire operation is not compromised.
This can be done with cells (no linkage between the different teams) that
are managed from abroad in order to insure the security of the operation.
Creating a margin of error with contingency plans is a very good thing
because, as we all know, unexpected problems have a habit of biting us in
the ass at the worst possible moments.
Anyhoo....that's just stuff off the top of my head. Real research into such
logistical problems would undoubtably yield a lot more ideas, details, from
which a solid operation could be worked out that would meet the approval of
the financial investors involved.
Wraith
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Swarvegorilla
When was the last time you got in a quota of 84mm Wraith?
If you have to use 5.56mm may i reccomend ss109 rounds.
Ain't no fucking flak jacket gonna save you from a double tap from
those babys!
Bloody media here reported it as an 'assault weapon' whatever the fuck
that is...... flamethrower or something.
:-)
Prob an AR-15 or SKS or something......
target of oportunity man tho' by the looks of it, gonna be hard to
catch as he/they will keep taking the easy kills.
Swarvegorilla smiles at his mighty Venustus
Wraith
I forgot to stick in my ear plugs on an M60 once also...that wasn't fun. :(
But nah it definitely wasn't an SKS cuz those are all 7.62x39mm and they're
not very accurate unless you get a Yugoslavian made one. But I would NEVER
attempt a head shot with my SKS even using a scope unless it was at very
close range. SKS is just a tad more accurate then an AK-47. I think the
weapon is probably an AR-15 or perhaps a bolt action .223 weapon.
But yeah you're right, SS109 is some hot shit. Slices through Kevlar like
it's butter.
Not sure about ceramic plates though....but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
:(
Notice that alot of the police involved in the manhunt for that sniper are
armed with G36 rifles. Smart move on their part.
Wraith
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**Medic**
kills seem to be in the morning or the evening. I think our shooter's got a
dayjob. Probably one that keeps him driving a lot since he knows the area
well, like a delivery driver, mailman, or cab driver. He's taking "easy"
shots - targets who aren't moving, who aren't paying much attention. I think
he definitely watches the coverage - he *wants* the publicity, and I'm sure
he's plotting his next "move" based on what he hears in the news. I think if
he gets real daring, he might shoot a cop next.
So what's everyone's guess at a motive?
Loner
Latest description(s): Hispanic or Middle Eastern man/men.
If he's Hispanic we have a domestic/local 2 the area NUT. Motive unknown.
If he's Middle Eastern, could B al Qaeda. Motive clear.
Glad Rumsfeld decided 2 commit DOD 2 the search,
complying with the Posse Comitatus.
BUT.. Predator is a no-go,
even though it's cheaper, faster, stays airborne longer and more accurate 4
the job.
Guess they'd rather keep a helo up there which may do the trick if they
follow thru on:
"Could involve a system of sensors that could detect flashes of gunfire on
the ground."
Think I posed this as a question a few days ago.
But WTF do I know? :-)
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>Motive:
>Latest description(s): Hispanic or Middle Eastern man/men.
>If he's Hispanic we have a domestic/local 2 the area NUT. Motive unknown.
>If he's Middle Eastern, could B al Qaeda. Motive clear.
Yeah, they said "olive or dark skinned." That fits me and I'm white.
Maybe this is a white guy like me who has a Greek great grandfather.
For the record, I live on the West Coast---so I have a great alibi.
About 10 years ago, a little old lady saw a car with a smashed window
and saw myself and two friends nearby. She reported us to the police
as "two caucasians and a coloured." Just saying, don't be surprised if
this is a white guy.
Cheers,
ScottCovey
Actually I still hold to the disgruntled Military lad that failed selection
and wanted to be a Spec Warrior.
Cheers
Scott
Cool call on the shift schedule thing, much more intelligent than the
specialist xNYC cop CNN had talking about Doom!! Does anyone still play
that?
Fucking retard that one was
Cheers
Scott
Loner
I'm Pacific N.W., and none of my (registered) mini-arsenal fires .223
(5.56mm) rounds,
so that nixes me 2. Interesting that this guy is not using a silenced
weapon;
bystanders 'heard' the retorts. My guess would B a scoped AR-15/M-16. If
so his
choice of weapon leads one to believe military training with a better than
BCT/AIT
knowledge of sniping. Loner's profile says this guy has a death wish and
has made
plans not 2 B taken alive. Betya his white van is rigged 2 blow when his
SHTF.
Also the Tarot 'Death Card' smacks of Vietnam tactics. Al Queda don't use
'em.
Whacking a female FBI agent does tend 2 up the ante! So far this fuck-head
has hit 'soft-easy' targets, so he's a disruptor not a guy who likes people
to return fire,
or a 'high profile' stalker/assassin. A coward with a gun and feelings of
Godhood.
If he truly has a death wish he'll keep on working the same area till
caught/killed.
If he any self-preservation left in him, he'll lay low until the LEO/DOD
heat dies down,
before he picks up where he left off. I don't think he'll relocate when/if
he does.
Just glad that (seeings we ARE at war) lotsa folks R now taking the security
of our
capitol city and it's environs seriously. It was a target on 9/11/01 and
still is.
We shall see,
Loner
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Rizla Ranger UK
I didn't recognise it neither!
BTW - witness to last shooting described
the shooter as using an AK-74...
(note AK74, NOT AK47)
I think he's got an ammo dump :)
MR!
R :)
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Rizla Ranger UK
are even more brok than the locals, and so they
don't get access to any Gucci kit, only Gucci
Experience ;)
Any Gucci kit arriving for them would cause
eyebrows to be raised even higher
Moving Gucci kit into theatre requires a lot
more savvy and also payment of the kinda kickbacks
that come "with receipts" shall we say ;)
But only those here
who know how it is there
can tell it, here
innit
:D
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put much stock into that eyewitness account. Plus Ak's are not exactly
precision weapons. Those are more "spray and pray" weapons unless you got
a customized AK or one of the nicer Yugo Ak's made to tighter tolerances and
specifications.
But then again in the last shooting, witnesses said he was only 60 meters
away so who knows.
Wraith
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Wraith
I agree. I think that's a pretty accurate psychological profile
actually...better really then what I've heard the FBI's profilers say.
Just a nutcase like that sniper in Austin that killed all those people from
a tower using just a M1 Carbine.
Like you said, people in DC are waking up and realizing that since 9/11 they
are indeed NOT secure and that terrorists can still operate very very easily
in the capital and anywhere in this country. Only good thing is that now
it's much more difficult to get explosive components within this country.
Fertilizer sales for example are monitored extremely closely. Fuel-Air
explosives however are another possibility and there is still the danger of
an airborne Anthrax attack. The mail is a bit safer though as slowly but
surely, the U.S. Postal service is iradiating the mail to kill the bacteria.
But I'm not sure how many US Post office centers are doing that now or
whether it's only the Washington D.C. mail distribution centers.
At any rate, a war in Iraq is just going to create more wannabe terrorists
so I think we can expect a ton of more nuts, wannabe martyrs, and organized
Al-Quaeda attacks in the near future. Welcome to fortress America. I feel
sad because I fear that alot of my friends who are exchange students from
Turkey (all moderate Muslims who really like being here) will get booted
out after the next big terrorist attack. :(
Wraith
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anymore, plus that game was attributed to children who killed classmates....
but even that is very stupid as millions of kids play violent games with no
problems. Only a few nutballs are negatively affected by violent video
games. One kid however practiced this game at the arcades where you use a
toy gun (that has a laser in it) to kill the bad guys by shooting it at the
screen. Now THAT game is a fairly realistic training aid. That kid killed
most of his victims with head shots with a pistol. Most were moving targets
also. When they asked him how he did that, he said he practiced alot on
that game at the arcades.
But there are games that have fairly realistic sniping. The Delta Force
series is good as is Operation Flashpoint. But still nothing teaches the
tactics that this sniper guy is using in D.C.. Those are things normally
only taught in sniper schools although it is possible he simply watched a
lot of sniper school video tapes, read alot of books on sniper tactics, and
then practiced shooting at the range alot.
Wraith
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WX
close.......
Reasonable accurate round/weapon.
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Wraith
from El-Salvadore ( A Special Forces officer's souvenier). It felt
perfectly balanced, the parts seemed to have tight tolerances, and it just
was a lot less bulky then Chinese made AK's although they might produce an
identical clone...but if they I haven't seen one. When I get some extra
cash I might go out and see if I can find a good Russian made one. But as
far as accuracy goes I don't think I'd attempt to engage anything past 150
meters with one. With the M16 I can consistently hit out to 300 meters.
In other words with the M16 I would not hesitate to pound an enemy at 300
meters because the likelihood of them hitting me with return fire from
AK-47's would be fairly small unless they got lucky. Now if they had a PK
or SVD, then that's another matter. :)
Wraith
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weapon to snipe in an urban setting.
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