BABYLON 5
30 Exhaustion
25 Captain Pierce
25 Contact First Ones
20 Disarray
20 Doctor Franklin
DOOMTOWN
25 Start Again
13 Austin Stoker exp
14 Death's Head Joker
8 Ghost Infestation
8 Lord Grimeley's Manor exp
DREDD
5.5 Judge Anderson
5 Rico Dredd
4 Judge DeGaulle
3 Judge Dredd
3 Fellow Judge
ILLUMINATI
3 Cyborg Soldiers
2 NSA
2 CIA
2 Elvis
2 Texas
MIDDLE EARTH
50 The One Ring
45 Balrog
18 Frodo
15 Bilbo
15 Elrond
MYTHOS
4 The Dunwich Horror
4 Old Man Whateley
4 Hastur
4 Al-Azhar
3 Necronomicon (Latin)
ON THE EDGE
2 Asha Ryder
2 Cyril Doros
1 Debora Grierson
1 Haveni Shagasemi
.75 Constance D'Aubainne
SHADOWFIST
12 Ting Ting (Netherworld)
8 White Ninja (promo)
8 Furious George
6 Andrea Van de Graaf
6 Demon Emperor
VAMPIRE
15 The Return to Innocence
14 Tomb of Ramases
12 Fist of Death
10 Dreams of the Sphinx
10 Mind Rape
X-FILES
45 Deny Everything
45 No One So Paranoid
30 Agent Dana Scully
30 Agent Fox Mulder
20 Agent Alex Krycek
I've only ever used mag price guides for Magic. Now, I generally go by eBay,
though having a very good idea what everything in B5 is worth, there are a few
glitches due to differing availability of particular promos.
[Note: the only card on the B5 list that has any play value is Disarray ($2),
and I haven't seen it played in a year; some of the others make Mummify look
good, their value entirely based on difficulty to get, even then there are far
more valuable and scarce cards.]
So this apparently demonstrates just how ignorant Inquest truly
is. Never, since LSJ's first two sets of rulings when he made
made all the controversial modern errata, have I ever encountered
any source of Jyhad/V:tES singles which had a price on all the cards
for which Protected Resources was not BY FAR the most expensive card.
It's not even on the list at all.
The only explanation for this in my mind is that someone pulled an
old pre-LSJ top 5 list out of their files and printed it, without
raising a finger to do any homework. (Even pre-LSJ, no way was Fist
of Death ever more expensive than Protected Resources.)
Absolutely appalling! One reason I don't bother with magazines like
Inquest.
Fred
>Inquest has slashed the space that it used to give to Magic - it no
>longer reprints the text of every card. Instead, they now have an
>interesting feature which lists the top 5 cards of every game, as
>measured by price. This makes amusing reading in some cases and here
>are the listings for games that are worthy of attention. The number
>is the price in US$, taken from the Dec 2000 issue.
>
>VAMPIRE
>
>15 The Return to Innocence
>14 Tomb of Ramases
>12 Fist of Death
>10 Dreams of the Sphinx
>10 Mind Rape
Geez. Should've gotten someone who actually played V:TES to make up
this list. :) RtI and Fists of Death don't belong there. Protected
Resources and Archon Investigation do. :)
-- Derek
Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
- C. Darwin, 1871
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
> VAMPIRE
>
> 15 The Return to Innocence
> 14 Tomb of Ramases
> 12 Fist of Death
> 10 Dreams of the Sphinx
> 10 Mind Rape
I am selling all my The Return to Innocence at $10 each in a fire sale,
That's 1/3 off regualar list price! They are going fast so order now!
Email me ASAP as there may be none left.
Offers Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr.
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
Aw, don't be too hard on InQuest, Fred. i find their coverage of VTES to
be reasonably fair and generally positive - same with Netrunner and
Shadowfist. They actually have a SF deckbuilding article in the newest
one. i think they do the best job possible given they are a mass-CCG
market mag in letting the punters know there IS life after Magemon. And
NOBODY takes ANY of their price-lists seriously, for ANY card-game.
> > So this apparently demonstrates just how ignorant Inquest truly
> > is. Never, since LSJ's first two sets of rulings when he made
> > made all the controversial modern errata, have I ever encountered
> > any source of Jyhad/V:tES singles which had a price on all the cards
> > for which Protected Resources was not BY FAR the most expensive card.
> > It's not even on the list at all.
> >
> > The only explanation for this in my mind is that someone pulled an
> > old pre-LSJ top 5 list out of their files and printed it, without
> > raising a finger to do any homework. (Even pre-LSJ, no way was Fist
> > of Death ever more expensive than Protected Resources.)
> >
> > Absolutely appalling! One reason I don't bother with magazines like
> > Inquest.
> >
> > Fred
>
> Aw, don't be too hard on InQuest, Fred. i find their coverage of VTES to
> be reasonably fair and generally positive - same with Netrunner and
> Shadowfist. They actually have a SF deckbuilding article in the newest
> one. i think they do the best job possible given they are a mass-CCG
> market mag in letting the punters know there IS life after Magemon. And
> NOBODY takes ANY of their price-lists seriously, for ANY card-game.
> >
>
As an exclusive V:tES addict I never really bothered with InQuest and the
likes, but I had the dubious pleasure of going through the one copy I own(ed)
to get Lucita, and - sorry Legbiter - it is terrible. Fred's points are all
valid and point to a serious problem: They might write nice things about
V:tES, but they should get their facts right. I'm a journalist myself, and it
appalls me to see this sort of off-handed witicisms that are based on not the
smallest clue about the truth, only on some illusionary feeling about how
cool the writer himself is. I can't argue about the quality of any of the
Magic articles, but V:tES deserves better than getting these smart ass lines
that probably just made it into the magazine because White Wolf shelled out
some money for advertisements.
Ah, excuse the rant, I'll get me a cup of tea and calm down...
Regards
Skaffen
Chantry Elder Of Munich
"Our hearts discern wild images of Death,
Shadows and shoals that edge eternity."
Then they should take the integrity of their material seriously and not
print them. Whatever benefits the existence of such periodicals might be
for the CCG world, this kind of stuff just makes them look like clowns.
Fred
Reading your and Skaffen's answers to my exculpatory post i suddenly
realised that you are both right - i'm applying the criteria appropriate
to British journalism which is absolutely TERRIBLE [AND pompously self-
congratulatory to boot], but of course InQuest has no excuse - it's an
american publication. Mind you, it could still be worse. i once had an
article [about classic rage] pinched by a British games "journalist" for
a now-defunct magazine called Arcane.
> > VAMPIRE
> >
> > 15 The Return to Innocence
> > 14 Tomb of Ramases
> > 12 Fist of Death
> > 10 Dreams of the Sphinx
> > 10 Mind Rape
Humph, yea right.
However, what are the true top 5? Let's expand this to the top 10.
How's this:
1. Protected Resources
2. Derange
3. Tomb of Ramses III
4. Return to Innocence
5. Dreams of the Sphinx
6. War Ghoul
7. Awe
8. Disarm
9. Archon Investigation
10. Mind Rape
Monetary value? If I go at how hard it has been for me to find just 1
derange for my collection (which I still haven't) that card can be sold
to buy a case of Sabbat War.
LD
--
"The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity
blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution."
I was trying to describe to someone the difference between InQuest and Scrye
recently.
I come across quite a few who think InQuest is garbage. Their style seems to
me to be hit and miss, whereas Scrye is generally the same thing all the time.
Also, their articles are less about content and more about humor. Have to like
their humor, I guess, at least some of the time.
Neither I consider all that useful to someone who wants to play better. In
Magic, for instance, magazines can't be up to date due to the rapid
distribution of tech.
If you don't play a particular game, you get some idea of it. If you do, you
have something idiotic to laugh at.
Well, RtI and Tomb were once great cards. This isn't a good time to try and
nail down a list because of the effect of SW.
However, I would put Temptation on this list. Someone suggested Succubus,
which is too bad since it is still one of the few cards I don't have. Direct
Intervention used to be probably the second most valuable card from what I
remember of single prices.
Once again I'd like to point out that I'll trade anything for Derange.
*grin*
Esp. Succubus and DI, of which I have plenty.
Regards,
Noal
--
"I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from
what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species,
of pure sons of bitches."
--Faulkner, "The Mansion"
"Noal McDonald" <dhar...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news: > Once
Inquest has never been a serious gaming magazine,in any capacity.
It's for fun reading and seeing some stuff you might not catch in the mtg
mags.They have never really had any grip on killer decks or cards.And card
lists and prices ,lets not even go there.Scrye is also way off base on
prices of magic,where you'd think there would be plenty of info.
If your lookin for an effective price mag that deals with serious prices and
play values of cards,you might as well go look for the fountain of youth.Or
publish one yourself??
Chillin,illing and relaxing in mpls,minn :P
Jg
Frederick Scott <fre...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3A34F01A...@netcom.com...
I have neither the time nor the inclination to publish one myself. On the
other hand, I wouldn't claim to, either.
Your point about Inquest being a humor magazine loses a lot by the fact that
its publisher don't label it as such. When they do, then you can come back and
remind me not to take it so seriously.
Fred
I pose:
1. Protected Resources
2. Temptation
3. Dreams of the Sphinx
4. Disarm
5. War Ghoul
6. Awe
7. Derange
8. Blessing of Chaos
9. Mind Rape
10. Form of Corruption
> I have neither the time nor the inclination to publish one myself. On the
> other hand, I wouldn't claim to, either.
>
> Your point about Inquest being a humor magazine loses a lot by the fact
that
> its publisher don't label it as such. When they do, then you can come
back and
> remind me not to take it so seriously.
I believe, sir, the phrase you were looking for is "I know you are, but what
am I?"
InQuest is a hoot. It's a pretty good source for gaming info. It's
energetic and imaginative and full of jokes both lame and sophisticated. It
is unorthodox (within its limits) and irreverent (within its limits) and
badly in need of a copy editor. (A recent issue attributed "California
Dreamin'" to the Beach Boys.) In that it is a glossy full-color magazine
dedicated to the marginal geek hobbies, it is in the same publishing segment
as Starlog or its sister magazine Wizard. Expecting such a magazine to be a
serious authority is living within a reality-distortion field. Buttweasel.
(This is a magazine that regularly uses the word "buttweasel." It ain't
Foreign Affairs.)
Bob Rossney
r...@well.com
WOO WEE!!! LEAD ME TO THE PROMISED LAND!!!
--
Kevin J. Mergen, Prince of Madison, WI
(remove NOSPAM for direct reply)
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Speaking of butt weasels,i believe fred should try to pull out the one that
crawled up his .Or kill it with a couple stiff drinks.
Come on fred,really let me have it now!!!! :p
Robert Rossney <r...@well.com> wrote in message
news:914dvv$r...@dispatch.concentric.net...
Mmmmmm, nope. Just, "I know you are." Period.
> InQuest is a hoot. It's a pretty good source for gaming info. It's
> energetic and imaginative and full of jokes both lame and sophisticated. It
> is unorthodox (within its limits) and irreverent (within its limits) and
> badly in need of a copy editor. (A recent issue attributed "California
> Dreamin'" to the Beach Boys.) In that it is a glossy full-color magazine
> dedicated to the marginal geek hobbies, it is in the same publishing segment
> as Starlog or its sister magazine Wizard. Expecting such a magazine to be a
> serious authority is living within a reality-distortion field.
I can't explanation your existence. Perhaps the aftermath of an experiment
with artificial intelligence gone horribly wrong that's been allowed and trained
to use Usenet posts? How did you figure out that Inquest is a "good source
for gaming info" - obviously it isn't in some cases - or that it's OK to print
random misleading shit just because they're dedicated to what you call, "the
marginal geek hobbies."? Curious buttweasels would like to know.
Anyway, yes, I expect such a magazine to be a serious authority if they're coming
off like they are. Otherwise, what you have is someone off on some stupid
ego-trip-with-printing-press misleading the naive and the uninformed. If they want
to be the Mad Magazine of the collectible gaming industry, that's fine. But put a
comedy disclaimer on the front cover and drop the pretense.
>Buttweasel.
Farm implement.
Fred
I'll trade you a Derange or two, whats your email we'll set up a deal.
Rob
<snip>
i suggest the following:
>
> 1. Protected Resources
> 2. Temptation of Greater Power
> 3. Tomb of Ramses III
> 4. Hostile Takeover
> 5. Dreams of the Sphinx [number 1 IMO]
> 6. Direct Intervention
> 7. Awe
> 8. Disarm
> 9. Archon Investigation
> 10. Mind Rape
>
> Monetary value? If I go at how hard it has been for me to find just 1
> derange for my collection (which I still haven't) that card can be sold
> to buy a case of Sabbat War.
>
> LD
>
i've got about 9 Deranges now but they're not for sale or trade. Yup,
i've plumbed the depths of sin 7 or so on the Path of Fun and am
constructing a new and even cheesier Deck for Tourney purposes.
Edam we are, lest Esrom we become.
>
> I'll trade you a Derange or two, whats your email we'll set up a deal.
>
And if there are any left after the voraciously greedy Mr. Noel gets
done, I just want 1. Trade or purchase, doesn't matter (well depending
on how reasonable.).
LD
--
"The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity
blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution."
Child.
Go home.
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> I can't explanation your existence.
I can't explanation a lot of things, but I recognition when someone is not
engagement his brain. And when he's seat on a high horse.
> How did you figure out that Inquest is a "good source
> for gaming info"
By reading it.
> - obviously it isn't in some cases -
Excellent high-school-debate-team qual there! The judge furrows his brow
but decides not to ding you on the ballot!
Don't try that in front of Scalia or he'll wear your guts for garters.
> or that it's OK to print
> random misleading shit just because they're dedicated to what you call,
"the
> marginal geek hobbies."?
If your eyes are popping out of your head because a magazine expresses
judgements you disagree with about a long-out-of-print collectible card
game, you should re-examine your emotional relationship to the real world.
Take a bath, get some sunshine, eat something that's not made by Frito-Lay,
maybe even screw up your courage and talk to a girl.
> Anyway, yes, I expect such a magazine to be a serious authority if they're
coming
> off like they are.
The issue I have at hand (October) features a Terminator-like robot feeding
bandoliers of wooden-stake ammo into a huge gun, with a vampire in death
agonies lying at his feet. The headline: "YIKES! SCARIEST ISSUE EVER!" in
a yellow-outlined, gradient-filled display font. I don't know what a
serious authority in this field would look like, but I'm guessing this isn't
it. Like I said, this isn't Foreign Affairs. It isn't even Popular
Mechanics.
> Otherwise, what you have is someone off on some stupid
> ego-trip-with-printing-press misleading the naive and the uninformed.
And the consequences of this are...what, exactly?
The most serious scenario I can come up with is this: a person who doesn't
know anything about Jyhad picks up a copy of InQuest and reads a list of the
five most valuable cards in the set. And then he allows his children to go
without food as he buys booster box after booster box searching for these
cards, and then is ruined when it turns out no one wants to buy them. Okay,
that's The Little Match Girl scenario.
Another: He ignores the list because it's in a magazine that says "INSIDE:
BAYUSHI KACHIKO NUDE!" on the cover and he's already been burned once; she's
clearly wearing a body-stocking in that picture. That would be OK, I guess.
A third: He finds out that there is a game called Jyhad that he might be
interested in, and searches it out and is soon committing diablerie with the
best of them. That would be a good outcome, especially if you hold shares
in Frito-Lay.
> If they want
> to be the Mad Magazine of the collectible gaming industry, that's fine.
But put a
> comedy disclaimer on the front cover and drop the pretense.
Okay. Do you think this disclaimer would be most effective above the text
"YIKES! SCARIEST ISSUE EVER!" or below it? Or maybe they should put it on
the letter-from-the-editor page. In this issue it's headed with a
photograph of a guy at his desk recoiling in mock horror as he is overrun by
plastic toy spiders. If ever there was something needing a disclaimer to
let you know that it was not entirely serious it would be a photograph of a
guy at his desk recoiling in mock horror as he is overrun by plastic
spiders.
Bob Rossney
r...@well.com
"Robert Rossney" <r...@well.com> writes:
[Post explaining how InQuest should not be taken too seriously - snipped]
I have to admit, this post nearly makes me want to start reading
InQuest again. Thanks!
--
Philippe Duchon (duc...@labri.u-bordeaux.fr)
I don't know who this "Noel" character is, but I'm not greedy in the
slightest. I'm trying to get enough Derange cards to make a decent !Malk
vote deck with them.
After all, Princes don't get any votes if they're no longer a Camarilla
vampire.
Regards,
Noal
--
"I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from
what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species,
of pure sons of bitches."
--Faulkner, "The Mansion"
Y'know...I keep meaning to, but I've just never managed to get the time
to inventory the cards I have available for trade. I usually just put
all of my extras (commons, uncommons, some rares) in some display boxes
and then use them as prize support at local tournaments on the condition
that they be given to the winner's favorite new player (even if that new
player is themself).
Regards,
Noal
--
"I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from
what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species,
of pure sons of bitches."
--Faulkner, "The Mansion"
>
> > And if there are any left after the voraciously greedy Mr. Noel
> > gets done, I just want 1.
>
> I don't know who this "Noel" character is, but I'm not greedy in the
> slightest. I'm trying to get enough Derange cards to make a decent
!Malk
> vote deck with them.
>
> After all, Princes don't get any votes if they're no longer a
Camarilla
> vampire.
>
Oops. I meant voraciously needy Mr. Noal M. And still be it known that
when Noal gets what he needs I will be more than happy to trade for or
outright buy 1 derange for my collection, if indeed anyone still has one
available they are willing to let go. Just e-mail me if this is the
case.
LD
--
"The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity
blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution."