Poor, Poor Linda
Clave
--
12/05/01
Tripp May Lose Home to Foreclosure
COLUMBIA, Md. (AP) - Linda Tripp is facing foreclosure on the home where she
recorded the telephone calls with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky
that triggered the impeachment of President Clinton (news - web sites).
CitiMortgage Inc. filed a foreclosure action in Howard County Circuit Court
against Tripp late last month, noting a mortgage balance of $116,098.61,
including late charges and interest.
Attorney Joseph Murtha, who defended Tripp in the state's unsuccessful
prosecution on wiretap charges, said she hasn't lived in the house for months,
and has been out of work since she was fired from the Department of Defense
(news - web sites).
Tripp surreptitiously taped recordings of Lewinsky confiding a sexual
relationship with Clinton. Tripp lost her job at the Pentagon (news - web
sites) after she refused to resign like other political appointees on the last
day of Clinton's term, her lawyer has said. The Defense Department said her
termination letter was routine and that she was not singled out.
``It's been very difficult for Linda to focus on where her career goes from
this point in her life,'' he said.
Tripp, who now lives in Middleburg, Va., had hoped to find another government
job, but has not been rehired, Murtha said.
She had rented out the Columbia house for a while after moving, but the house
is currently unoccupied. Murtha said Tripp hopes to resolve any issues with
the mortgage and possibly sell the house on her own.
Tripp earned nearly $100,000 a year as a public affairs specialist at the
Defense Department's Defense Manpower Data Center in Arlington, Va. She had
been in a civil service job in the White House under former President Bush
(news - web sites) before getting a political appointment, pay raise and new
job at the Pentagon in 1994.
TheLoneRanger100
Leftist Pukes will have The Impeached Scumbag around yer filthy necks
FOREVER........Heehee.......ENJOY!!.......
Paul Mitchum
> [File under No Longer Useful -- j]
>
> --
> 12/05/01
>
> Tripp May Lose Home to Foreclosure
[..]
> Tripp surreptitiously taped recordings of Lewinsky confiding a sexual
> relationship with Clinton. Tripp lost her job at the Pentagon (news - web
> sites) after she refused to resign like other political appointees on the
> last day of Clinton's term, her lawyer has said. The Defense Department
> said her termination letter was routine and that she was not singled out.
[..]
It's not that she's no longer useful, it's that she's dangerous to
whoever she's in a position to record next.
Think of Tripp's dilemma as a telegram from Reality to the Unprincipled:
No one likes a snitch.
--
"Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign
that he expects to be paid for it." -Mencken
TheLoneRanger100
>No one likes a snitch.
Except when it's a Lefty taping Newt Gingrich's Cell Phone Conversations or
trying to prevent Clarence Thomas from being appointed to the USSC.........
Tim Crowley
theloner...@aol.com wrote on 12/6/01 5:50 PM:
Damn, that was a damn near intellegent post. What the hell happened? Are
those monkeys flying out of my butt?
Paul Mitchum
A woman 'sacrifices' her career, her home, and her integrity, all so
that we can get intimate details about BLOW JOBS of the rich and famous,
wasting taxpayer dollars and yielding NOTHING, and her supporters leave
her to hang in the wind when the controversy is over. And you think it
was all worth it.
What else is 'worth it' to you?
TheLoneRanger100
>TheLoneRanger100 <theloner...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> That's ok.......Tripp's Expose' was well worth the sacrifice.......Now you
>> Leftist Pukes will have The Impeached Scumbag around yer filthy necks
>> FOREVER........Heehee.......ENJOY!!.......
>
>A woman 'sacrifices' her career, her home, and her integrity, all so
>that we can get intimate details about BLOW JOBS of the rich and famous,
>wasting taxpayer dollars and yielding NOTHING, and her supporters leave
>her to hang in the wind when the controversy is over. And you think it
>was all worth it.
It was Nuthin' compared to the amount of lives The Impeached Scumbag
destroyed.........You can start with the McDougals and Webster Hubbell and work
yer way up to Vince Foster and Juanita Brodderick..........
Paul Mitchum
Paul Mitchum
Well, it's a good thing Tripp's ruined life helped those unfortunate
folks, and helped us get rid of that evil Clinton once and for all.
What's that you say? It was all for naught? Oh, well, nevermind.
Jim Lovejoy
I think you're confused. Newt and Gramm although they were scumbags
weren't impeached. Besides, it's a valid question, who's more to blame,
the guys who started the whole investigation, or the independent
counsel, whatsisname.
TheLoneRanger100
>TheLoneRanger100 wrote:
>>
>> mil...@usa.net (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>>
>> >TheLoneRanger100 <theloner...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's ok.......Tripp's Expose' was well worth the sacrifice.......Now
>you
>> >> Leftist Pukes will have The Impeached Scumbag around yer filthy necks
>> >> FOREVER........Heehee.......ENJOY!!.......
>> >
>> >A woman 'sacrifices' her career, her home, and her integrity, all so
>> >that we can get intimate details about BLOW JOBS of the rich and famous,
>> >wasting taxpayer dollars and yielding NOTHING, and her supporters leave
>> >her to hang in the wind when the controversy is over. And you think it
>> >was all worth it.
>>
>> It was Nuthin' compared to the amount of lives The Impeached Scumbag
>> destroyed.........You can start with the McDougals and Webster Hubbell and
>work
>> yer way up to Vince Foster and Juanita Brodderick..........
>
>I think you're confused. Newt and Gramm although they were scumbags
>weren't impeached.
You vought to back to Kindergarten, Pudlick.......Yer STOOPID.......Of course,
most of you Leftist Pukes ARE Stoopid.........
TheLoneRanger100
>TheLoneRanger100 <theloner...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> mil...@usa.net (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
>>
>> >TheLoneRanger100 <theloner...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's ok.......Tripp's Expose' was well worth the sacrifice.......Now
>> >> you Leftist Pukes will have The Impeached Scumbag around yer filthy
>> >> necks FOREVER........Heehee.......ENJOY!!.......
>> >
>> >A woman 'sacrifices' her career, her home, and her integrity, all so that
>> >we can get intimate details about BLOW JOBS of the rich and famous,
>> >wasting taxpayer dollars and yielding NOTHING, and her supporters leave
>> >her to hang in the wind when the controversy is over. And you think it
>> >was all worth it.
>>
>> It was Nuthin' compared to the amount of lives The Impeached Scumbag
>> destroyed.........You can start with the McDougals and Webster Hubbell and
>> work yer way up to Vince Foster and Juanita Brodderick..........
>
>Well, it's a good thing Tripp's ruined life helped those unfortunate
>folks, and helped us get rid of that evil Clinton once and for all.
>
>What's that you say? It was all for naught? Oh, well, nevermind.
Nope.......Yer gonna have The Impeached Scumbag as an Albatross around yer
Filthy Leftist Neck for a LOT of Years, Moron.........
Al Smith
How about the person who appointed the independent counsel? - Jenny Vegas (or
something like that).
Clave
news:20011208015127...@mb-bd.aol.com...
<...>
> Nope.......Yer gonna have The Impeached Scumbag as an Albatross around yer
> Filthy Leftist Neck for a LOT of Years, Moron.........
And Nixon, Reagan and the treasonous Bush Daddy around yours unto time
immemorial.
Talk about filth.
*No* number of you pee-yooks will ever erase the stains of "I am not a
crook," "We will not negotiate with terrorists," or "Read my lips."
Lies all.
Do you really think "I did not have sex with that woman" gets writ as large as
those in the Book?
I'm torn over laughing about the facile irony of what Clinton got impeached
for
as opposed to the fucking CRIMES his predecessors were pardoned for and crying
over the fucking reality of it all.
Heh. You people really think you get to write the Book.
Keep playing clown, Jak. It's a nice growth medium for the rest of us. We'd
invent you if we didn't have so many of you already.
Jim
TheLoneRanger100
>"TheLoneRanger100" <theloner...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20011208015127...@mb-bd.aol.com...
>
><...>
>
>> Nope.......Yer gonna have The Impeached Scumbag as an Albatross around yer
>> Filthy Leftist Neck for a LOT of Years, Moron.........
>
>
>And Nixon, Reagan and the treasonous Bush Daddy around yours unto time
>immemorial.
>
>Talk about filth.
Naw.....Yer Puke is the WORST ONE to ever hold the office.......He beats any
combination of what we have........Heehee........ENJOY!!..........
Clave
> "Clave" ClaviusNo...@gte.net wrote:
<...around whose necks...>
> >And Nixon, Reagan and the treasonous Bush Daddy around yours unto time
> >immemorial.
> >
> >Talk about filth.
<...ellipses to indicate where Jak cut my words cuz he was ashamed of his
"leaders"...>
> Naw.....Yer Puke is the WORST ONE to ever hold the office.......He beats
> any combination of what we have........Heehee........ENJOY!!..........
You mean even the lies "I am not a crook," "We will not negotiate with
terrorists" and "Read my lips" combined?
In opposition to the lie: "I did not have sex with that woman."
Wow. You certainly have a fertile imagination.
Maybe Clinton's infidelity *does* in fact, mitigate the felonies of Reag...
>UNEXPECTED THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE<
Isn't he cute, foax? Let's give it up for the most predictable performing
trout in the Usenet industry.
He leaves most of what irritates him (understandably) in the pool behind him,
not in the least cognizant that he'll be diving back into it in a second.
He doesn't even realize he's as much of a captive as any of the other fish,
and acts like a fucking *performing* fish for his captors, as if there were
more food for him on the line.
Let's all give him a really big hand for so articulately stating the
conservative case. HIS FOOD is obviously not in question, is it?
(Hi, Jak. Don't you wish you'd paid attention in the first place?)
It isn't is it, you comfortably illiterate cowpie? No wonder the like of
President Bunnypants appeals to you. He DOES represent you. He represents
people who don't read.
Ten bucks sez you don't read this far.
Jak does six Usenet shows a week, not counting matinees on Saturday, and he's
available for bachelor parties, roasts, smokers, etc. (sorry, not Bar
Mitzvahs -- for which he blames his agent, "that puke Viet Nam vet Bruce").
Jim
--
Lucky for Jak that he's too fat and stupid to be considered nutritious for
consumption in any sense by any of the sentient...
Cap'n TrVth
"Clave" <ClaviusNo...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:jMjQ7.6254$ad3.8...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
ROAR!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! OMFW!!!!!!!!!!!
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!!!
I laughed so fucking hard I almost shit myself! Go Clave, you angry little
bedwetting creep.. Clinton handing out pardons to crooks even as he skulked
out of office and you have temerity to compare him to Reagan?!
This is why I love you Peewe- I mean Nanc- I mean Clave..
Hey if it makes you feel better you can whing about Dubya stealin th'
'lection... Hahahahahahaha
COL. BILL KILGORE
You sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan, don't you
clown? You can call him anything you want; a liar, a felon, or just a
plain old bad president. One problem though pal - he remains to this
day one of the most popular presidents ever. He was never "convicted"
of any crimes, hence your reference to him as a "felon" is nothing
more than a personal opinion on your part (and your "opinion" does not
hold much water these days). As to comparing Reagan to Clinton -
there is no comparison. Reagan was a decent honest man who may have
been a little naive and overzealous at times thinking of the good of
his nation, and perhaps getting a little bad advice from his advisors
now and again. In contrast, Clinton is a born liar whose only goal as
president was personal image building. He is a disbarred perjurer who
lied through his teeth to a grand jury as well as his country. He
"soiled" (literally)the image of the office he held by engaging in sex
with a young intern in the Oval Office, and then allowing the country
to be torn apart for the next year just because he didn't have the
guts to be honest with what would most likely have been a very
forgiving nation. His administration was the most scandal-ridden in
history. He was, and continues to be an international embarassment to
this country. It figures that his support base continues to be
largely made up of unemployed circus clowns like yourself - because
that's just what he was and is - a clown.
Bill Bonde
vpol...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> On 8 Dec 2001 09:47:03 -0800, bil...@yahoo.com (COL. BILL KILGORE)
> wrote:
>
> >His administration was the most scandal-ridden in
> >history.
>
> You are seriously mistaken. You need to look at the number of
> convictions and people who left under clouds of investigation and
> wrong doing. They exceed 100 for Reagan. And less than 5 for Clinton.
>
Are you counting Bill Clinton in that five?
SMITH29
xxxx
Yeah!
~ BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE ~
DEAL WITH IT
Taliban need military trial at the shooting range.
I demand a fair trial for those terrorists.
It's the American thing to do.
We'll need a gavel and a case of ammo.
29,-)
Clave
news:u1446dk...@corp.supernews.com...
<...>
> I laughed so fucking hard I almost shit myself! Go Clave, you angry little
> bedwetting creep.. Clinton handing out pardons to crooks even as he skulked
> out of office and you have temerity to compare him to Reagan?!
Keep studying, Dink. Pretty soon your reading comprehension will approach
that of my 4-year old.
Of COURSE you can't compare Clinton to that band of Republican crooks.
He was ELECTED without having to cover up a series of CRIMES AGAINST AMERICA
to do it.
Jim
SMITH29
>
> "TheLoneRanger100" <theloner...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20011208015127...@mb-bd.aol.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > Nope.......Yer gonna have The Impeached Scumbag as an Albatross around yer
> > Filthy Leftist Neck for a LOT of Years, Moron.........
>
> And Nixon, Reagan and the treasonous Bush Daddy around yours unto time
> immemorial.
>
> Talk about filth.
>
> *No* number of you pee-yooks will ever erase the stains of "I am not a
> crook," "We will not negotiate with terrorists," or "Read my lips."
>
> Lies all.
>
> Do you really think "I did not have sex with that woman" gets writ as large as
> those in the Book?
Clinton perjured himself under oath. That's why he was impeached.
We've covered this ground before but you somehow seem to forget WHY
he was impeached and later lost his license to practice law.
His sloven pig manners are incidental icing on his presidential cake.
He made the presidency the laughing stock of the political world and
if he would have resigned as he should have. Gore would be president
now.
I've grown to like Bill for doing that.
You have nothing to take to a prosecuting attorney on any of the
Republican
presidents past and present. All you have is nothing along with internet
fables.
29
SMITH29
xxxx
When do you plan to have Bush indicted?
29
Clave
news:ebade2fc.01120...@posting.google.com...
<...>
> You sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan, don't you
> clown?
Oh, not anywhere NEAR the hard-on you neo-con ditto-dorks have had for
Clinton's weenie for ten years.
See, WE'RE interested in finding out the truth about things like Iran/Contra
and the secret deal Bush cut with Islamic Jihad over the hostages that got
Reagan elected in the first place.
YOU'RE interested in someone else's blowjobs.
I find no end of hilarity in that it's OUR motives you question.
> You can call him anything you want; a liar, a felon, or just a
> plain old bad president. One problem though pal - he remains to this
> day one of the most popular presidents ever...
That's certainly a banal point. So does Clinton, in SPITE of his impeachment.
Know why? Cuz people know it was a witch-hunt.
And we'll see how popular he remains after Congress forces President
Bunnypants to end his illegal coverup of the Reagan Papers.
Did I mention that Clinton didn't have to cover up a series of CRIMES AGAINST
AMERICA to get elected?
The fact is, a Republican can't GET elected President without resorting to
illegal manipulation of the election. Your blatantly overcompensating bluster
and perpetual Clinton-bashing only serves to emphasize it.
Jim
SMITH29
>
>
> You sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan, don't you
> clown? You can call him anything you want; a liar, a felon, or just a
> plain old bad president. One problem though pal - he remains to this
> day one of the most popular presidents ever. He was never "convicted"
> of any crimes, hence your reference to him as a "felon" is nothing
> more than a personal opinion on your part (and your "opinion" does not
> hold much water these days). As to comparing Reagan to Clinton -
> there is no comparison. Reagan was a decent honest man who may have
> been a little naive and overzealous at times thinking of the good of
> his nation, and perhaps getting a little bad advice from his advisors
> now and again. In contrast, Clinton is a born liar whose only goal as
> president was personal image building. He is a disbarred perjurer who
> lied through his teeth to a grand jury as well as his country. He
> "soiled" (literally)the image of the office he held by engaging in sex
> with a young intern in the Oval Office, and then allowing the country
> to be torn apart for the next year just because he didn't have the
> guts to be honest with what would most likely have been a very
> forgiving nation. His administration was the most scandal-ridden in
> history. He was, and continues to be an international embarassment to
> this country. It figures that his support base continues to be
> largely made up of unemployed circus clowns like yourself - because
> that's just what he was and is - a clown.
xxx
Well said, Sir!
29
Clave
news:04u41usbgnv3po9uu...@4ax.com...
> >history.
>
> convictions and people who left under clouds of investigation and
> wrong doing. They exceed 100 for Reagan. And less than 5 for Clinton.
>
Let's please not forget Nixon. And Agnew.
Jim
SMITH29
>
> "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ebade2fc.01120...@posting.google.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > You sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan, don't you
> > clown?
>
> Oh, not anywhere NEAR the hard-on you neo-con ditto-dorks have had for
> Clinton's weenie for ten years.
>
> See, WE'RE interested in finding out the truth about things like Iran/Contra
> and the secret deal Bush cut with Islamic Jihad over the hostages that got
> Reagan elected in the first place.
>
> YOU'RE interested in someone else's blowjobs.
>
> I find no end of hilarity in that it's OUR motives you question.
>
> > You can call him anything you want; a liar, a felon, or just a
> > plain old bad president. One problem though pal - he remains to this
> > day one of the most popular presidents ever...
>
> That's certainly a banal point. So does Clinton, in SPITE of his impeachment.
> Know why? Cuz people know it was a witch-hunt.
Yes, the Republicans forced him to open his zipper.
>
> And we'll see how popular he remains after Congress forces President
> Bunnypants to end his illegal coverup of the Reagan Papers.
Yeah, Yeah........
>
> Did I mention that Clinton didn't have to cover up a series of CRIMES AGAINST
> AMERICA to get elected?
Prove it!
>
> The fact is, a Republican can't GET elected President without resorting to
> illegal manipulation of the election. Your blatantly overcompensating bluster
> and perpetual Clinton-bashing only serves to emphasize it.
>
> Jim
It's time for you to indict the people you accuse or back off and go to
something
else. Your starting to sound like a fixated psychopath.
29
Clave
news:3C12AE6E...@attbi.com...
> Clave wrote:
<...Republican lies...>
> > Do you really think "I did not have sex with that woman" gets writ as
> > large as those in the Book?
>
> Clinton perjured himself under oath. That's why he was impeached.
Over a sexual witch-hunt.
Nixon lied to America about being a crook in general.
Reagan lied to America about negotiating with terrorists, while his CIA ran
drugs and his illegal shadow government armed terrorists.
Bush I lied about negotiating with terrorists and raising taxes, among other
things.
Bush II lied about governing from the center.
> We've covered this ground before but you somehow seem to forget WHY
> he was impeached and later lost his license to practice law.
Smith, you couldn't attract a clue if you rubbed yourself with clue musk and
went to clue beach during clue mating season.
He hasn't lost his license to practice law. He just can't do it in front of
the Supremes. Like he ever would've anyway. BTW, that disbarment isn't
final. He does get to appeal, and last I heard he was planning to.
<...>
> You have nothing to take to a prosecuting attorney on any of the
> Republican
> presidents past and present...
Nope. The pardons have pretty much made sure of that, and I have no doubt
that Drinky McDumbass has a bunch in his back pocket too.
'sOK -- we have the Reagan Papers to look forward to.
Jim
Cap'n TrVth
Look at you Clave, you went from Geezer Lap-Dog to full-blown kookfart in
less than 6 months. I can't wait to see you at the end of G.W.'s second
term.
-Cap
TJ
Clave wrote:
>
> "SMITH29" <smi...@attbi.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> > We've covered this ground before but you somehow seem to forget WHY
> > he was impeached and later lost his license to practice law.
>
> Smith, you couldn't attract a clue if you rubbed yourself with clue musk and
> went to clue beach during clue mating season.
>
> He hasn't lost his license to practice law. He just can't do it in front of
> the Supremes. Like he ever would've anyway. BTW, that disbarment isn't
> final. He does get to appeal, and last I heard he was planning to.
<snip>
Clinton's license to practice law in Arkansas (which is the only place
he was licensed so far as I know) has been suspended for five years as a
result of a compromise agreement.
--
TJ
SMITH29
xxxx
Yes, we can read them and do what?
They won't be as good reading as Starr's papers on Bills weenie wash Heh
Heh!!
That was a riot to read... I still laugh at Bill the clown.
I wonder if Hillary will let him tell all in his book.. I hope he blows
the lid off.
He might get enough money to pay off his debts and live comfortably in a
trailer park.
29.-)
Clave
<...>
> Look at you Clave, you went from Geezer Lap-Dog to full-blown kookfart in
> less than 6 months. I can't wait to see you at the end of G.W.'s second
> term.
Christ, you're predictable.
Jim
Clave
news:3C12BE60...@pacbell.net...
<...>
> Clinton's license to practice law in Arkansas (which is the only place
> he was licensed so far as I know) has been suspended for five years as a
> result of a compromise agreement.
I'd forgotten that, but it's still just a suspension.
Jim
SMITH29
xxxx
Does that make what he did some how better?
29
Clave
> SMITH29 smi...@attbi.com wrote:
<...>
> >It's time for you to indict the people you accuse or back off and go to
> >something
> >else. Your starting to sound like a fixated psychopath.
>
> Whaddya mean, "Starting To"??.......He DOES already........
OH MY GOD NO!!!
Cap'n StVpid, The Lone Wanker and Smit-for-Brains all after me at the same
time!!!
The colony percieves a threat!
Jim
Clave
Nope, but it does expose you as the ignorant/dishonest putz you are.
Or are you going to try to waffle and say that suspension of license is the
same thing as loss of license?
Jim
SMITH29
xxxxx
You need to indict, back off or look like a kook.
Your silly response doesn't evade the issue, Clave.
We patiently await your response........
YerPal,
29
Cap'n TrVth
You predicted I was going to make you look foolish again?
mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>Clinton perjured himself under oath. That's why he was impeached.
>We've covered this ground before but you somehow seem to forget WHY
>he was impeached and later lost his license to practice law.
>His sloven pig manners are incidental icing on his presidential cake.
>He made the presidency the laughing stock of the political world and
>if he would have resigned as he should have. Gore would be president
>now.
>I've grown to like Bill for doing that.
On the contrary, Clinton was the most well-liked and respected abroad
of any American president in recent decades. Their amusement over our
impeachment debacle was in large part bewilderment over why we even
cared.
In contrast, by September 11th, Bush had already managed to alienate
many other nations through his isolationism, militarism,
anti-environmentalism, and extreme anti-abortion stances, and as well
poor choices for a number of ambassadorships.
--Mark
--
Mark Meiss (mme...@indiana.edu) 812/855-1878 / Disciple of Loki and
http://steinbeck.uits.indiana.edu/~mmeiss/ / Fomenter of Entropy
Researcher, Advanced Network Management Lab /-----------------------------
Wanna-be Author of Novels and Short Fiction / What fools these normals be.
SMITH29
>
> In article <3C12AE6E...@attbi.com>, SMITH29 <smi...@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> >Clinton perjured himself under oath. That's why he was impeached.
> >We've covered this ground before but you somehow seem to forget WHY
> >he was impeached and later lost his license to practice law.
> >His sloven pig manners are incidental icing on his presidential cake.
> >He made the presidency the laughing stock of the political world and
> >if he would have resigned as he should have. Gore would be president
> >now.
> >I've grown to like Bill for doing that.
>
> On the contrary, Clinton was the most well-liked and respected abroad
> of any American president in recent decades. Their amusement over our
> impeachment debacle was in large part bewilderment over why we even
> cared.
Please don't shovel that shit in here! We have enough of our own already
with
the left wing kooks around here.
>
> In contrast, by September 11th, Bush had already managed to alienate
> many other nations through his isolationism, militarism,
> anti-environmentalism, and extreme anti-abortion stances, and as well
> poor choices for a number of ambassadorships.
>
> --Mark
> --
> Mark Meiss (mme...@indiana.edu) 812/855-1878
I can see that the university has done a good job of brain washing your
young
brain.
You are full of shit..
29
Cap'n TrVth
Looks like Clave is defending Clinton, while calling Smith a dishonest putz
for pointing out that Slick is a perverted criminal, scumbag, rapist.
And Clave, suddenly desirous of an academic debate with Smitty ;>
Heheheh... This is awesome..
-Cap
Clave
<...>
> Looks like Clave is defending Clinton, while calling Smith a dishonest
> putz for pointing out that Slick is a perverted criminal, scumbag,
> rapist.
It just bugs you to no end that we haven't forgotten the crimes of Nixon,
Reagan and Smirk Senior, and that your boys can't legally win a election.
I take some comfort in that.
Please continue your circle-jerk w/Smit-head and the Lone Wanker. Your little
monkey show is amusing many.
Jim
Paul Mitchum
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:jMjQ7.6254$ad3.8...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> > "TheLoneRanger100" <theloner...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20011208015127...@mb-bd.aol.com...
> >
> > <...>
> >
> > > Nope.......Yer gonna have The Impeached Scumbag as an Albatross around
> > > yer Filthy Leftist Neck for a LOT of Years, Moron.........
> >
> > And Nixon, Reagan and the treasonous Bush Daddy around yours unto time
> > immemorial.
> >
> > Talk about filth.
> >
> > *No* number of you pee-yooks will ever erase the stains of "I am not a
> > crook," "We will not negotiate with terrorists," or "Read my lips."
> >
> > Lies all.
[..]
> ROAR!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! OMFW!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!!!
>
> I laughed so fucking hard I almost shit myself! Go Clave, you angry little
> bedwetting creep.. Clinton handing out pardons to crooks even as he skulked
> out of office and you have temerity to compare him to Reagan?!
Reagan left the pardoning to Bush I. You know, the President's dad. The
dad the President recently changed the laws of the land to protect.
What you're doing here is arguing that Reagan's obvious and documented
corruption was A GOOD THING, simply because Clinton was corrupt, too.
--
"Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his country, it is a sign
that he expects to be paid for it." -Mencken
Paul Mitchum
> Yep. Throw Mitchell in there to. Sort of sad when the AG goes to jail.
> Some justice department. And Nixon firing Cox. All a very class act that
> these boys are to young, too stupid, or too dishonest to think about.
Nixon is to blame for the corruption of all subsequent Presidents (be
they in the D or the R column) in many ways. He made it OK for American
citizens to believe corrupt Presidents were the norm.
Paul Mitchum
> "COL. BILL KILGORE" <bil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ebade2fc.01120...@posting.google.com...
>
> > You sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan, don't you clown?
>
> Oh, not anywhere NEAR the hard-on you neo-con ditto-dorks have had for
> Clinton's weenie for ten years.
>
> See, WE'RE interested in finding out the truth about things like
> Iran/Contra and the secret deal Bush cut with Islamic Jihad over the
> hostages that got Reagan elected in the first place.
>
> YOU'RE interested in someone else's blowjobs.
>
> I find no end of hilarity in that it's OUR motives you question.
Personally, I'm interested in Cheney's energy policy meeting (and
current location), the California energy crisis, and Afghani oil
pipelines. Convicting a few corrupt politicians over Iran/Contra/etc
would be icing on the cake.
> [..]
Bill Bonde
Reagan wasn't corrupt. He was a very honest man.
Clave
news:1f445e5.kj8xy0fpvcxwN%mil...@usa.net...
<...>
> Nixon is to blame for the corruption of all subsequent Presidents (be
> they in the D or the R column) in many ways. He made it OK for American
> citizens to believe corrupt Presidents were the norm.
I wish to hell that this were the tongue-in-cheek cynical humor I thought it
was on first read.
Jim
Clave
news:3C12F455...@mail.com...
<...>
> Reagan wasn't corrupt. He was a very honest man.
"We will not negotiate with terrorists."
Jim
Bill Bonde
That's certainly not a 'corrupt' statement. Everyone says that. Everyone
knows that sometimes you negotiate with terrorists.
Clave
It's not honest, is it, Bill?
Jim
SMITH29
xxxx
The Clave's out there are waiting to tear into the Reagan papers in
search of wrong doing.
My question is: Don't these people have something important to do?
Who gives a rat's ass about Reagan or Clinton history? It's done and
over with.
Clinton has received money to write his book but I betcha Hillary edits
it into something the size and scope of " It Takes A Village "....
Bills escapades will remain a secret so long as she's has anything to do
with his pen.
Bill might have been a great cocksman but was a lousy president with his
wiener in command of his brain. He was like John Kennedy in that respect
but sure didn't score like Kennedy did.
29
Cap'n TrVth
> "Cap'n TrVth" <The_Shining_L...@Dealwithit.net> wrote in message
> news:u15q1di...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > Looks like Clave is defending Clinton, while calling Smith a dishonest
> > putz for pointing out that Slick is a perverted criminal, scumbag,
> > rapist.
>
>
> It just bugs you to no end that we haven't forgotten the crimes of Nixon,
> Reagan and Smirk Senior, and that your boys can't legally win a election.
Who is bugged, and about what? You have nothing but your pansy-ass pissing
and moaning Clave.
-Nearly 30 years since Nixon. The fact that you have to go there is as funny
to me as the mullet on your head.
Ronald W Reagan is remembered by History as one of the greatest Presidents
of all time.
> I take some comfort in that.
You ain't comfortable about -nuthin- you've been getting stomped by everyone
and their Brother lately. I've been watching you slowly turn into Peewee
with each passing day since 9/11
>
> Please continue your circle-jerk w/Smit-head and the Lone Wanker. Your
little
> monkey show is amusing many.
>
> Jim
Ya right, go back into hiding lap-dog. I'm sure Freddie will give you the
Okie-doke.
SMITH29
xxx
You really have gone off the deep end on this political shit.
Lets see the indictment you silly bullshitter.
29
Clave
<...>
> -Nearly 30 years since Nixon. The fact that you have to go there is as funny
> to me as the mullet on your head.
I go there because that's where the roots of your kind are. Your people can't
win an election honestly.
> Ronald W Reagan is remembered by History as one of the greatest Presidents
> of all time.
So is Clinton, DESPITE his bullshit impeachment. Choke on that.
> > I take some comfort in that.
>
> You ain't comfortable about -nuthin- you've been getting stomped by everyone
> and their Brother lately...
I consistently attract the derision of you and a couple of other unthinking
neo-con ditto-monkeys. It breaks my heart and causes me to lose sleep.
Jim
Clave
<...>
> Who gives a rat's ass about Reagan or Clinton history?
Smart people.
Jim
SMITH29
xxxxx
Yer total fruit loops lately. Brought the bong down from the attic.
Good bye!!
29
Paul Mitchum
> mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
[..]
> > On the contrary, Clinton was the most well-liked and respected abroad of
> > any American president in recent decades. Their amusement over our
> > impeachment debacle was in large part bewilderment over why we even
> > cared.
> xxxx
> Please don't shovel that shit in here! We have enough of our own already
> with the left wing kooks around here.
Could you please provide evidence that, in general, Clinton is not
well-like and respected abroad? If you can't (and you really can't),
then you're the one offering up shit instead of truth.
Edmund E. Freeman
arms deals), ran terrorist campaigns in Central America (contras), and
financed it by smuggling cocaine into the US (see Whiteout et al).
These are all felonies. Committed by the Reagan Administration.
Reagan *was* responsible for felonies. Not small, campaign-money ones
either. Felonies of the 'people dying' variety.
And this is your 'honest, decent man'? How bad does it have to get,
exactly, before you'll admit that he was a little more than naive?
On 8 Dec 2001 09:47:03 -0800, bil...@yahoo.com (COL. BILL KILGORE)
wrote:
>"Clave" <ClaviusNo...@gte.net> wrote in message news:<kSlQ7.4$Qv....@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>...
>> "TheLoneRanger100" <theloner...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20011208032717...@mb-bj.aol.com...
>> > "Clave" ClaviusNo...@gte.net wrote:
>>
>> <...around whose necks...>
>>
>> > >And Nixon, Reagan and the treasonous Bush Daddy around yours unto time
>> > >immemorial.
>> > >
>> > >Talk about filth.
>>
>> <...ellipses to indicate where Jak cut my words cuz he was ashamed of his
>> "leaders"...>
>>
>>
>> > Naw.....Yer Puke is the WORST ONE to ever hold the office.......He beats
>> > any combination of what we have........Heehee........ENJOY!!..........
>>
>>
>> You mean even the lies "I am not a crook," "We will not negotiate with
>> terrorists" and "Read my lips" combined?
>>
>> In opposition to the lie: "I did not have sex with that woman."
>>
>> Wow. You certainly have a fertile imagination.
>>
>> Maybe Clinton's infidelity *does* in fact, mitigate the felonies of Reag...
>>
>>
>> >UNEXPECTED THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE<
>>
>>
>> Isn't he cute, foax? Let's give it up for the most predictable performing
>> trout in the Usenet industry.
>>
>> He leaves most of what irritates him (understandably) in the pool behind him,
>> not in the least cognizant that he'll be diving back into it in a second.
>>
>> He doesn't even realize he's as much of a captive as any of the other fish,
>> and acts like a fucking *performing* fish for his captors, as if there were
>> more food for him on the line.
>>
>> Let's all give him a really big hand for so articulately stating the
>> conservative case. HIS FOOD is obviously not in question, is it?
>>
>> (Hi, Jak. Don't you wish you'd paid attention in the first place?)
>>
>> It isn't is it, you comfortably illiterate cowpie? No wonder the like of
>> President Bunnypants appeals to you. He DOES represent you. He represents
>> people who don't read.
>>
>> Ten bucks sez you don't read this far.
>>
>> Jak does six Usenet shows a week, not counting matinees on Saturday, and he's
>> available for bachelor parties, roasts, smokers, etc. (sorry, not Bar
>> Mitzvahs -- for which he blames his agent, "that puke Viet Nam vet Bruce").
>>
>> Jim
>
>You sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan, don't you
>clown? You can call him anything you want; a liar, a felon, or just a
>plain old bad president. One problem though pal - he remains to this
>day one of the most popular presidents ever. He was never "convicted"
>of any crimes, hence your reference to him as a "felon" is nothing
>more than a personal opinion on your part (and your "opinion" does not
>hold much water these days). As to comparing Reagan to Clinton -
>there is no comparison. Reagan was a decent honest man who may have
>been a little naive and overzealous at times thinking of the good of
>his nation, and perhaps getting a little bad advice from his advisors
>now and again. In contrast, Clinton is a born liar whose only goal as
>president was personal image building. He is a disbarred perjurer who
>lied through his teeth to a grand jury as well as his country. He
>"soiled" (literally)the image of the office he held by engaging in sex
>with a young intern in the Oval Office, and then allowing the country
>to be torn apart for the next year just because he didn't have the
>guts to be honest with what would most likely have been a very
>forgiving nation. His administration was the most scandal-ridden in
>history. He was, and continues to be an international embarassment to
>this country. It figures that his support base continues to be
>largely made up of unemployed circus clowns like yourself - because
>that's just what he was and is - a clown.
+---------------------------------------------------+
| Edmund E Freeman If there is no such thing|
| www.blarg.net/~efreeman as magic, why do we have |
| the word? |
+---------------------------------------------------+
Edmund E. Freeman
<ClaviusNo...@gte.net> wrote:
><vpol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:04u41usbgnv3po9uu...@4ax.com...
>> On 8 Dec 2001 09:47:03 -0800, bil...@yahoo.com (COL. BILL KILGORE)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >His administration was the most scandal-ridden in
>> >history.
>>
>> You are seriously mistaken. You need to look at the number of
>> convictions and people who left under clouds of investigation and
>> wrong doing. They exceed 100 for Reagan. And less than 5 for Clinton.
>>
>> Revisionist history on your part. Learn the facts.
>
>
>Let's please not forget Nixon. And Agnew.
>
>Jim
IIRC, US Grant was the worst in history. I think the Whiskey
Ring scandal alone got over 100 convictions. Pretty much puts
everybody else in the minor leagues.
Paul Mitchum
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>
> SMITH29 <smi...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> > mme...@steinbeck.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
> [..]
> > > On the contrary, Clinton was the most well-liked and respected abroad of
> > > any American president in recent decades. Their amusement over our
> > > impeachment debacle was in large part bewilderment over why we even
> > > cared.
> > xxxx
> > Please don't shovel that shit in here! We have enough of our own already
> > with the left wing kooks around here.
>
> Could you please provide evidence that, in general, Clinton is not
> well-like and respected abroad? If you can't (and you really can't),
> then you're the one offering up shit instead of truth.
xx
I had a nice chat with some people from Europe just last week and when
the politics came they grinned when Clinton was mentioned in passing. In
general they said he was considered to be friendly intelligent and not
in control of his emotions.
I figure that's just what we need in a president....
So... you prove that he is liked and respected in other countries ( and
you really
can't) so there.
If you think he can pull the shit he did and still maintain presidential
status in other countries then you have been mislead somewhere along the
path of life.
You don't have any common sense even.
29
Bill Bonde
Clave wrote:
>
> "Bill Bonde" <stderr_...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:3C12F824...@mail.com...
> >
> > Clave wrote:
> > >
> > > "Bill Bonde" <stderr_...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C12F455...@mail.com...
> > >
> > > <...>
> > >
> > > > Reagan wasn't corrupt. He was a very honest man.
> > >
> > > "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
> > >
> > That's certainly not a 'corrupt' statement. Everyone says that.
> > Everyone knows that sometimes you negotiate with terrorists.
>
> It's not honest, is it, Bill?
>
It was the public policy not to negotiate with terrorists. That doesn't
mean that under no circumstances do you negotiate with them. Israel did
with Arafat when it was illegal in an effort to get real peace. Did you
think that was dishonest too?
Bill Bonde
"Edmund E. Freeman" wrote:
>
> Under Reagan, the Administration sold weapons to terrorists (Iranian
> arms deals),
>
The US attempted to work out our problems with Iran and you don't like
it. This was entirely within the rights of the president.
> ran terrorist campaigns in Central America (contras), and
> financed it by smuggling cocaine into the US (see Whiteout et al).
>
Yawn. You've no proof for that nonsense claim.
> These are all felonies. Committed by the Reagan Administration.
>
The Contras were supported by US tax money provided by the Congress of
the United States. Stop lying.
> Reagan *was* responsible for felonies. Not small, campaign-money ones
> either. Felonies of the 'people dying' variety.
>
Not true. Iran-contra was a political disagreement between socialist
Democrats and the president.
> And this is your 'honest, decent man'? How bad does it have to get,
> exactly, before you'll admit that he was a little more than naive?
>
You've got nothing on Reagan at all.
Robert Neuwerth
>
> <...>
>
> > Nope.......Yer gonna have The Impeached Scumbag as an Albatross around
yer
> > Filthy Leftist Neck for a LOT of Years, Moron.........
>
>
> immemorial.
>
> Talk about filth.
>
> crook," "We will not negotiate with terrorists," or "Read my lips."
>
> Lies all.
>
large as
> those in the Book?
>
> I'm torn over laughing about the facile irony of what Clinton got
impeached
> for
> as opposed to the fucking CRIMES his predecessors were pardoned for and
crying
> over the fucking reality of it all.
>
> Heh. You people really think you get to write the Book.
>
> Keep playing clown, Jak. It's a nice growth medium for the rest of us.
We'd
> invent you if we didn't have so many of you already.
>
> Jim
>
>
ten -four seymour,
i think it was bill maher that intimated the other night , that clinton
could have done a better job, et. al. ,
if he hadn't had to spend so much energy defending his private life.
Robert Neuwerth
> Clave wrote:
> >
> > "Cap'n TrVth" <The_Shining_L...@Dealwithit.net> wrote in
message
> >
> > <...>
> >
> > > I laughed so fucking hard I almost shit myself! Go Clave, you angry
little
> > > bedwetting creep.. Clinton handing out pardons to crooks even as he
skulked
> > > out of office and you have temerity to compare him to Reagan?!
> >
approach
> > that of my 4-year old.
> >
> > Of COURSE you can't compare Clinton to that band of Republican crooks.
> >
> > He was ELECTED without having to cover up a series of CRIMES AGAINST
AMERICA
> > to do it.
> >
> > Jim
>
> xxxx
> When do you plan to have Bush indicted?
>
> 29
kinda hard to indict someone who has the supreme court in their back
pocket?
Robert Neuwerth
Ya know , there's one thing i love about Bush junior, the little prick was
badmouthing the economy, before he was even sworn in. I don't blame the
whole thing on 'em , but it sure as hell didn't help.
bob
Hawkster
wrote:
<Artful rendering>
>Yes , I sure seem to have a continuing hard-on for Reagan....
You can call him anything you want;... . One problem though pal - he
remains to this>day one of the most popular presidents ever. Reagan
was a decent honest man who may have been a little naive and
overzealous at times thinking of the good of his nation, and perhaps
getting a little bad advice from his advisors now and again.
That's your heart-felt defense?
Game. Set. Match.
By default.
Pathetic.
Hawkster
Big L for the Kernel
Cap'n TrVth
"Robert Neuwerth" <neuw...@hi-line.net> wrote in message
news:WNFQ7.98255$lV4.13...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com...
Why? Because you didn't want to hear the truth, -or believe it?
Cap'n TrVth
"If a President of the United States ever lied to the American people he
should resign." Bill Clinton in 1974
Then came:
Whitewatergate
Cattlegate
Nannygate
Helicoptergate
Travelgate
Gennifer Flowersgate
Filegate
Vince Fostergate
I wonder where those Whitewater billing records came fromgate
Paula Jonesgate
Federal Building campaign phone callgate
Lincoln bedroomgate
White House coffeegate
Donations from convicted drug and weapons dealersgate
Buddhist Templegate
Web Hubbell hush moneygate
Lippogate
Chinese commiegate - Clinton was practically endorsed by red China Update!
Let's blame Kenneth Starrgate
Zippergate/interngate - the Lewinsky affair itself
Perjury and jobs for Lewinskygate - the aftermath
Willeygate
Web Hubbell prison phone callgate
Selling Military Technology to the Chinese Commiesgate
Coverup for our Russian Comrades as Wellgate
Wag-the-Dog-gate
Jaunita Broaddrick gate
PBS-gate
Email-gate
Vandalgate
Lootergate
Pardongate
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!
Clave
<...>
> > > > > Reagan wasn't corrupt. He was a very honest man.
> > > >
> > > > "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
> > > >
> > > That's certainly not a 'corrupt' statement. Everyone says that.
> > > Everyone knows that sometimes you negotiate with terrorists.
> >
> > It's not honest, is it, Bill?
> >
> It was the public policy not to negotiate with terrorists. That doesn't
> mean that under no circumstances do you negotiate with them.
So it was a lie that we were all supposed to know was a lie.
You like comforting lies, don't you? Of course you do. You vote Republican.
> Israel did
> with Arafat when it was illegal in an effort to get real peace. Did you
> think that was dishonest too?
Nobody over there said "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
Jim
COL. BILL KILGORE
Hey Hawk,
don't you have a "dying" wife to take care of or something?
Tim Crowley
ClaviusNo...@gte.net wrote on 12/8/01 9:53 PM:
> "Bill Bonde" <stderr_...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:3C12F824...@mail.com...
>> That's certainly not a 'corrupt' statement. Everyone says that.
>> Everyone knows that sometimes you negotiate with terrorists.
>
>
> It's not honest, is it, Bill?
>
> Jim
Your asking Bill about honesty? buahahahahahaha. Tha's pretty rich. What the
hell would Bill know about honesty? damn, jim, that was so funny, I nearly
spit my coffee on my monitor. Bill "if I'm not making it up I'm plagarizing"
Bonde and honesty. hahahahahaha. good one.
SMITH29
xxxx
HEY!! You should ALWAYS have your tin hat on when in the proximity of
the computer.
That wood prevent you from making remarks like the one above.
29,-)
SMITH29
xxxxx
Nothing Bushie can do or Clinton did would have changed the economy. The
slide was coming and many saw it coming. It makes very little difference
whose in office or was in office.
The economy will spring back like it always has despite who is in
office.
Clinton just happened to be there as the economy started down while he
had little if anything to do with it. Even Greenspan has had little
effect with his prime reductions.
29
Bill Bonde
Clave wrote:
>
> "Bill Bonde" <stderr_...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:3C1315A5...@mail.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > > > > > Reagan wasn't corrupt. He was a very honest man.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
> > > > >
> > > > That's certainly not a 'corrupt' statement. Everyone says that.
> > > > Everyone knows that sometimes you negotiate with terrorists.
> > >
> > > It's not honest, is it, Bill?
> > >
> > It was the public policy not to negotiate with terrorists. That doesn't
> > mean that under no circumstances do you negotiate with them.
>
> So it was a lie that we were all supposed to know was a lie.
>
No, it was public policy. You really don't think that we can have a
public policy and then something else in private if needed?
> You like comforting lies, don't you? Of course you do. You vote Republican.
>
So you would prefer that the president said that we will negotiate with
terrorists if they get us real good?
> > Israel did
> > with Arafat when it was illegal in an effort to get real peace. Did you
> > think that was dishonest too?
>
> Nobody over there said "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
>
It was illegal to negotiate with the PLO, for the government to even
have contacts with the PLO, because it was considered a terrorist
organization. It wasn't illegal for the American government to negotiate
with Iran. Yet you consider the former an act of moral greatness and the
latter an act of evil.
cmartin
says...
>
>
>Hey Hawk,
>
>don't you have a "dying" wife to take care of or something?
You have to ask now? Isn't your secret decoder ring-cum-Ouiji board working
these days?
Claire "Mrs." Simpson
"Silly benign poster"
Paul Mitchum
[..]
Note that every item in your list ends with '-gate.' Do you know why? I
bet you don't, so here's the answer:
When journalists put '-gate' at the end of a scandal's little pet name,
it's to invoke the evil of Richard M. Nixon's Watergate scandal. Every
time you talk about Clinton this-gate and Clinton that-gate, you're
reminding everyone how evil Richard Nixon, corrupt Republican President,
really was.
Thanks for the reassurance!
Paul Mitchum
[..]
> xxxxx
> Nothing Bushie can do or Clinton did would have changed the economy.
[..]
I bet when you were a little kid, and people tried to tell you things
you didn't want to hear, you stuck your fingers in your ears and said,
over and over, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
Here's your homework: Ask Alan Greenspan how much the President can
change the economy. Then consider this: Clinton made it a point to hang
out with Greenspan, and make careful plans about how best to turn the
economy into a profit machine. And that's what happened as a result.
Bush is too busy being an after-the-fact war hero to consult with
Greenspan, and thus doesn't make any careful plans about the economy,
and the country is in recession.
How much plainer must it be before you see the connection?
SMITH29
>
> SMITH29 <smi...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
> > xxxxx
> > Nothing Bushie can do or Clinton did would have changed the economy.
> [..]
>
> I bet when you were a little kid, and people tried to tell you things
> you didn't want to hear, you stuck your fingers in your ears and said,
> over and over, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
>
> Here's your homework: Ask Alan Greenspan how much the President can
> change the economy. Then consider this: Clinton made it a point to hang
> out with Greenspan, and make careful plans about how best to turn the
> economy into a profit machine. And that's what happened as a result.
> Bush is too busy being an after-the-fact war hero to consult with
> Greenspan, and thus doesn't make any careful plans about the economy,
> and the country is in recession.
>
> How much plainer must it be before you see the connection?
Oh God what a story!! Pretty good actually...
Now You can tell us of all the past maneuvers Clinton and Greenspan
performed on the economy to control it and why did the economy start
going down while this dynamic duo
was in control. Can you explain that, Bunkie,... HUMMMMM?
Clinton did absolutely NOTHING regarding the economy. That's one thing
he did right
during his tenure...
Presidents have like no control over Wall Street.
This is a Capitalist economy Bunkie.
We the people control it.
29
SMITH29
Explain to us the Watergate Crime.
Thanks,
29
Fireball
>Cap'n TrVth <The_Shining_L...@Dealwithit.net> wrote:
>
>[..]
>
>When journalists put '-gate' at the end of a scandal's little pet name,
>it's to invoke the evil of Richard M. Nixon's Watergate scandal. Every
>time you talk about Clinton this-gate and Clinton that-gate, you're
>reminding everyone how evil Richard Nixon, corrupt Republican President,
>really was.
>
>Thanks for the reassurance!
Actually, putting the '-gate' at the end serves as a reminder of how
Nixon found a little integrity and resigned.
Bill Bonde
There were a great many Liberals who hated Nixon and just used Watergate
as an excuse to attack him. Breaking in to a political office to steal
political secrets is hardly anything different from the Gore camp's
actions this time around when they had debate tapes mailed to them from
their operatives working in the Bush campaign. Sure those thefts didn't
require repeatedly putting tape on locked doors but they were bungled
nevertheless. Of course no one will be on Gore thirty years later for
Debatetapegate. It's a double standard.
--
<Cut this AT&T, you bloody slags!>>>>>
Clave
> Paul Mitchum wrote:
<...>
> > When journalists put '-gate' at the end of a scandal's little pet name,
> > it's to invoke the evil of Richard M. Nixon's Watergate scandal. Every
> > time you talk about Clinton this-gate and Clinton that-gate, you're
> > reminding everyone how evil Richard Nixon, corrupt Republican President,
> > really was.
> >
> > Thanks for the reassurance!
> xxxx
> Explain to us the Watergate Crime.
Yes, please, Uncle Paul!!! I'll get the eggnog.
Smitty doesn't get any cuz it's too close to his bedtime.
Jim
SMITH29
xxx
That's correct. I have to get up in the morning and run a business.
But I get my hot toddy anyway.
I'll get the wood for the fireplace.
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Clave
<..."We will not negotiate with terrorists"...>
> > So it was a lie that we were all supposed to know was a lie.
> >
> No, it was public policy. You really don't think that we can have a
> public policy and then something else in private if needed?
It was a lie, Bill. Pure and simple. You know it (even though you're in deep
denial), I know it, America knows it and history knows it.
Your desperate mischaracterizations don't change that.
> > You like comforting lies, don't you? Of course you do. You vote
Republican.
> >
> So you would prefer that the president said that we will negotiate with
> terrorists if they get us real good?
I'd prefer to not be lied to. Is that simple enough for you?
> > > Israel did
> > > with Arafat when it was illegal in an effort to get real peace. Did you
> > > think that was dishonest too?
> >
> > Nobody over there said "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
> >
> It was illegal to negotiate with the PLO, for the government to even
> have contacts with the PLO, because it was considered a terrorist
> organization. It wasn't illegal for the American government to negotiate
> with Iran. Yet you consider the former an act of moral greatness and the
> latter an act of evil.
Show me where I said that, you lying fuck.
Jim
Clave
news:70581u46agolrghpo...@4ax.com...
<...>
> Actually, putting the '-gate' at the end serves as a reminder of how
> Nixon found a little integrity and resigned.
^^^^^^^^^
That's a pretty creative way of spelling "cowardice."
Jim
Jim Lovejoy
> > >
> > > <...>
> > >
> > > > Reagan wasn't corrupt. He was a very honest man.
> > >
> > >
> > Everyone knows that sometimes you negotiate with terrorists.
>
> It's not honest, is it, Bill?
How would Bill know? If honesty came up and bit him in the rear, he
still wouldn't recognize it.
>
> Jim
Jim Lovejoy
>
> Jim Lovejoy ji...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> >TheLoneRanger100 wrote:
> >>
> >> mil...@usa.net (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
> >>
> >> >TheLoneRanger100 <theloner...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That's ok.......Tripp's Expose' was well worth the sacrifice.......Now
> >you
> >> >> Leftist Pukes will have The Impeached Scumbag around yer filthy necks
> >> >> FOREVER........Heehee.......ENJOY!!.......
> >> >
> >> >A woman 'sacrifices' her career, her home, and her integrity, all so
> >> >that we can get intimate details about BLOW JOBS of the rich and famous,
> >> >wasting taxpayer dollars and yielding NOTHING, and her supporters leave
> >> >her to hang in the wind when the controversy is over. And you think it
> >> >was all worth it.
> >>
> >> It was Nuthin' compared to the amount of lives The Impeached Scumbag
> >> destroyed.........You can start with the McDougals and Webster Hubbell and
> >work
> >> yer way up to Vince Foster and Juanita Brodderick..........
> >
> >I think you're confused. Newt and Gramm although they were scumbags
> >weren't impeached.
>
> You vought to back to Kindergarten, Pudlick.......Yer STOOPID.......Of course,
> most of you Leftist Pukes ARE Stoopid.........
Considering the source, I'd take it as a compliment if I cared.
Paul Mitchum
Let me get this straight:
You're asking that Clinton display as much integrity as... RICHARD
NIXON?
You don't expect much of people, do you?
Fireball
Yep. It sure is cowardly to own up to your mistakes. Not a bit of
courage in that act.
Clave
'Tis to laugh, and uproariously yet.
Courage would have been for him to stay and take the heat for actions he
supposedly believed in. Clinton stood his ground and took the heat, because
he knew the charges he was impeached for were complete bullshit, and that's
how most of America remembers it.
Cowardice is taking the easy way out and getting yourself pardoned when you've
been righteously busted for very real crimes against the country. That's how
most of America remembers that, too.
What's next with you? Gonna tell us how courageous Agnew was? Or Mitchell
maybe?
Jim
Bill Bonde
Clave wrote:
>
> "Bill Bonde" <stderr_...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:3C13BE46...@mail.com...
>
> <..."We will not negotiate with terrorists"...>
>
> > > So it was a lie that we were all supposed to know was a lie.
> > >
> > No, it was public policy. You really don't think that we can have a
> > public policy and then something else in private if needed?
>
> It was a lie, Bill. Pure and simple. You know it (even though you're in deep
> denial), I know it, America knows it and history knows it.
>
What was our policy vis a vis negotiating with terrorists when Clinton
was president?
> Your desperate mischaracterizations don't change that.
>
Desperate? Reagan is more popular now than ever. Your obsessive hatred
of him is what is desperate.
> > > You like comforting lies, don't you? Of course you do. You vote
> Republican.
> > >
> > So you would prefer that the president said that we will negotiate with
> > terrorists if they get us real good?
>
> I'd prefer to not be lied to. Is that simple enough for you?
>
Yet you loved Clinton. That's just too much. BTW, can you give me a cite
for when Reagan said, "We will not negotiate with terrorists"?
> > > > Israel did
> > > > with Arafat when it was illegal in an effort to get real peace. Did you
> > > > think that was dishonest too?
> > >
> > > Nobody over there said "We will not negotiate with terrorists."
> > >
> > It was illegal to negotiate with the PLO, for the government to even
> > have contacts with the PLO, because it was considered a terrorist
> > organization. It wasn't illegal for the American government to negotiate
> > with Iran. Yet you consider the former an act of moral greatness and the
> > latter an act of evil.
>
> Show me where I said that, you lying fuck.
>
OK, I guess I just assumed that you respected the Israeli attempts to
make peace in the Middle East. You don't respect them for trying to do
that?
Bill Bonde
So you think that not dragging the country through what Clinton did was
'cowardice'? No, it was honour, of which Clinton had none.
Jim Lovejoy
Knowing he'd lose his pension if he fought it out, and could keep the
pension and get pardoned if he resigned is what's known as integrity in
your world?
Clave
>
>
> Clave wrote:
> >
> > "Bill Bonde" <stderr_...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C13BE46...@mail.com...
> >
> > <..."We will not negotiate with terrorists"...>
> >
> > > > So it was a lie that we were all supposed to know was a lie.
> > >
> > > No, it was public policy. You really don't think that we can have
> > > a public policy and then something else in private if needed?
> >
> > It was a lie, Bill. Pure and simple. You know it (even though
> > you're in deep denial), I know it, America knows it and history
> > knows it.
>
> What was our policy vis a vis negotiating with terrorists when Clinton
> was president?
You tell me.
> > Your desperate mischaracterizations don't change that.
> >
> Desperate? Reagan is more popular now than ever. Your obsessive hatred
> of him is what is desperate.
Big deal. Clinton's more popular now than ever too.
Presidential lies are *all* famous, Bill.
The lies of the Republican Presidents involve crimes far worse than lying
about sex.
> > > > You like comforting lies, don't you? Of course you do. You
> > > > vote Republican.
> > >
> > > So you would prefer that the president said that we will negotiate
> > > with terrorists if they get us real good?
> >
> > I'd prefer to not be lied to. Is that simple enough for you?
> >
> Yet you loved Clinton.
Another lie from the lying douchebag liar Bill Bonde.
> That's just too much. BTW, can you give me a cite
> for when Reagan said, "We will not negotiate with terrorists"?
"We will never pay off terrorists because that only encourages more of it."
(Ronald Reagan Quoted on Cable News Network, Nov.6, 1986)
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/1286/8612014.html
"Nacos cited the example of President Reagan, who asserted that as a nation
we would not negotiate with terrorists, while at the same time his aides
were setting up an arms-for-hostages deal with Iranian extremists."
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/record2018.16.html
"President Ronald Reagan repeatedly told the American people he would not
negotiate with terrorists. That was a lie."
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Archive/Bush/GHWBushLies/ghwbushlies.html
"The secret dealings between the United States and Iran stand in marked
contrast with the stated position of the Reagan Administration, which
has frequently denounced Iran as one of the world's leading sponsors of
state-supported terrorism. Indeed, while the secret exchanges were taking
place, the President said repeatedly that the United States would not
negotiate with terrorists or pay ransom for the release of American
hostages."
http://www.mia.org.il/archive/861106lat.html
"The sale of arms to Iran was initiated at the suggestion of the Israeli
government with the dual goal of bettering their relations with Iran and
of obtaining the release of American hostages held in Lebanon by pro-
Iranian terrorists. Reagan told the American people, 'We will not negotiate
with terrorists,' and (most of) the American people believed him."
http://www.msu.edu/~jdowell/irancon.html
"In 1980, Reagan campaigned on a pledge to take a firm stand on terrorism.
Under his watch, he promised, the US would never negotiate with terrorists."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/nf/featured/reagan/reaganfp.html
"Despite his pledge never to negotiate with terrorists, President Ronald
Reagan agreed to sell weapons to Iran in return for the hostages' release.
Two were freed, but they were soon replaced when extremists took new
American hostages."
http://www.gliah.uh.edu/historyonline/hostages.cfm
"While insisting that his administration would never negotiate with
terrorists, the president secretly approved the trading of weapons for
hostages that became public knowledge during the Iran-contra scandal."
http://www.tompaine.com/history/2000/01/12/1.html
"Although he had previously vowed not to negotiate with terrorists,
Reagan chose to sell anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Iran.
Meanwhile, Lieutenant Oliver North of the National Security Council
secretly diverted the funds made from these Iranian arms sales to
further supply the contras in Nicaragua. When these arms deals and the
illegal contra aid where revealed, Reagan was faced his most severe
foreign policy crises."
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/grg/ustudent/gcraft/fall97/brown/essays/coldwar.ht
m
"When the exchange was revealed, it proved embarrassing because of
Reagan's oft-stated pledge not to negotiate with terrorists and his
claim not to have traded arms for hostages. The situation was further
complicated by the disclosure that part of the proceeds of the arms
sale had been diverted to support the Contra rebels fighting the
Sandinista government in Nicaragua; this was in violation of a law
prohibiting U.S. aid to the Contras."
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/arabs/iraniraq.html
<...snip irrelevancies...>
Jim
Tim Crowley
wrote on 12/9/01 11:53 AM:
> No, it was public policy. You really don't think that we can have a
> public policy and then something else in private if needed?
>
Not when WE ARE the government.
>>
> It was illegal to negotiate with the PLO, for the government to even
> have contacts with the PLO, because it was considered a terrorist
> organization. It wasn't illegal for the American government to negotiate
> with Iran. Yet you consider the former an act of moral greatness and the
> latter an act of evil.
You make no sense at all.
Bill Bonde
Tim Crowley wrote:
>
> in article 3C13BE46...@mail.com, Bill Bonde at stderr_...@mail.com
> wrote on 12/9/01 11:53 AM:
>
> > No, it was public policy. You really don't think that we can have a
> > public policy and then something else in private if needed?
> >
>
> Not when WE ARE the government.
>
So no secret missions, everything out in the open? Better put a reporter
with every Special Forces member in Afghanistan.
> > It was illegal to negotiate with the PLO, for the government to even
> > have contacts with the PLO, because it was considered a terrorist
> > organization. It wasn't illegal for the American government to negotiate
> > with Iran. Yet you consider the former an act of moral greatness and the
> > latter an act of evil.
>
> You make no sense at all.
>
No response. Figures. I was not illegal for the US government to
negotiate with Iran. It was illegal for Israel to negotiate with the
PLO. Yet the PLO was negotiated with by Israel. Was that wrong?
Clave
>
> Clave wrote:
> >
> > "Fireball" <stierb...@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:70581u46agolrghpo...@4ax.com...
> >
> > <...>
> >
> > > Actually, putting the '-gate' at the end serves as a reminder
> > > of how Nixon found a little integrity and resigned.
> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > That's a pretty creative way of spelling "cowardice."
> >
> So you think that not dragging the country through what Clinton
> did was 'cowardice'?
What the country got dragged through in the 90's was hardly Clinton's doing.
Just ask Olson and Scaife.
What Nixon dragged the country through was shameful, and ENTIRELY his doing.
> No, it was honour, of which Clinton had none.
That'd be hilarious if you weren't serious.
As it is, it's just funny, in a truly pathetic way.
Jim
Clave
<...>
> No response. Figures. I was not illegal for the US government to
> negotiate with Iran. It was illegal for Israel to negotiate with the
> PLO. Yet the PLO was negotiated with by Israel. Was that wrong?
Pointing to Israeli politics as a means of defending the lies and crimes of
Reagan is pretty desperate.
Jim
Tim Crowley
wrote on 12/9/01 5:46 PM:
>> Explain to us the Watergate Crime.
>>
> There were a great many Liberals who hated Nixon and just used Watergate
> as an excuse to attack him. Breaking in to a political office to steal
> political secrets is hardly anything different from the Gore camp's
> actions this time around when they had debate tapes mailed to them from
> their operatives working in the Bush campaign. Sure those thefts didn't
> require repeatedly putting tape on locked doors but they were bungled
> nevertheless. Of course no one will be on Gore thirty years later for
> Debatetapegate. It's a double standard.
>
I could add nothing to this. Leet this idiocy of Bonzo stand on it's own.