Children being molested
Tom Shelly, White God
wrote:
>I did however do some searching on Dr Abel
Strange how could only come up with one Doctor and only quote him.
Reminds me of how you posted statistics from Denver encompassing only
one year in your defense of faggot STD rates.
I could just imagine you searching desperately for small areas and
time frames and liberal researchers to support your claims that
faggots are normal.
I don't have to search very far at all and can use data from
nationwide sources and many years combined. I don't have to evade and
snip.
By the way, Dr. Abel had this to say too. Odd how you left this part
out:
"Dr. Gene G. Abel, M.D., has found that homosexuals sexually molest
young boys with an incidence that is occurring five times greater than
the
molestation of young girls.
""on average, 150 boys are molested per homosexual pedophile
offender, whereas only 20 girls are molested per heterosexual
pedophile
offender. Incredibly, homosexual offenders admitted between 23 and 282
acts of molesting boys."
""considered in the aggregate, 3 to 4 boys are sexually molested
per homosexual adult male."
here's some more for you.
FAGGOT PEDOPHILE RATES
(compiled by the editorial staff at Shelly Publishing)
The 1948 Kinsey survey (Kinsey himself was bisexual) found than 37
percent of homosexual men and 2 percent of lesbians admitted sexual
relations with children under 17 years old. Twenty-eight percent of
homosexual men and 1 percent of lesbians admitted sexual relations
with children under 16 years olds while they were age 18 or older. The
Gay Report reported that 23 percent of homosexuals and 6 percent of
lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with under 16-year olds.
Approximately one-third of child molestation reports involve
homosexuality. The Kinsey study reported that 4 percent of the
non-criminal white gays and 7 percent of the non-criminal white
lesbians reported that they had their first homosexual experience with
a "teacher or other caretaker."
http://www.rthoughtsrfree.org/tcncrsmoney.htm
The first set of quotes are from the site below and the sources and
references are listed there:
http://www.wcuweb.com/Documents/childmolestation.htm
AS OF 06/02
These three lines of evidence suggest that the 1% -to-3% of adults who
practice homosexuality3 account for
between a fifth and a third of all child molestation.
In science, a review of the professional literature published in a
refereed scientific journal is considered to be an accurate
summary of the current state of knowledge. The latest such review was
published in 1985.8 It concluded that homosexual acts
were involved in 25% to 40% of the cases of child molestation recorded
in the scientific and forensic literature.
Drs. Freund and Heasman9 of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in
Toronto reviewed two sizable studies and calculated that
34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In
cases they had personally handled, homosexuals
accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.
Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at
the Peters Institute in Philadelphia said10 that, from
his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and "40% to 45%" of
child molesters have had "significant homosexual
experiences."
Dr. C.H. McGaghy11 estimated that "homosexual offenders probably
constitute about half of molesters who work with
children." Other studies are similar:
Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts
Treatment Center for
Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a
third were bisexual and a third
homosexual in orientation.12
A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who
committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35
(22%) were homosexual.13
Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada's
Kingston Behavior Clinic from
1978-1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality.14
Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31
(60%) were homosexual.15
Because of this pattern, Judge J.T. Rees concluded that "the male
homosexual naturally seeks the company of the male
adolescent, or of the young male adult, in preference to that of the
fully-grown man. [In 1947] 986 persons were convicted of
homosexual and unnatural offenses. Of those, 257 were indictable
offenses involving 402 male victims.... The great majority of
[whom]...were under the age of 16. Only 11%... were over 21."
\
What Homosexuals Admit
The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the
lesbians admitted to sexual relations with
under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted
to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they
themselves were aged 18 or older.18
In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San
Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys
aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21.19
In the Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to
sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of
age.20
In France, 129 convicted gays21 (average age 34 years) said they had
had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an
average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly
that men who molested girls outside their family averaged
20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each.22
Summary
About a third of the reports of molestation by the populace have
involved homosexuality. Likewise, between a fifth and a third
of those who have been caught and/or convicted practiced
homosexuality. Finally, a fifth to a third of surveyed gays admitted
to child molestation. All-in-all, a rather consistent story.
AND THERE'S MORE...
Fags prey on children.
33% of fags ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
There is a notable fag group, consisting of thousands of members,
known as the North American
Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting fag
group whose cry is
"SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching
in most major fag
parades across the United States.
Fags commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the
United States, which,
assuming fags make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 fags is
a child molestor, while 1
in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
73% of all fags have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
Fags admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is
at the foundation of
homosexuality" (22).
Because fags can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting
children. Fags can be heard
chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in
their fag
parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying
to recruit young girls. They
print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other fags aren't as
overt about this, but rather
try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have
access to the malleable minds of
young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.)
(8). See the DC Lesbian
Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they
threaten to recruit little
boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.
The fag agenda.
The fag agenda includes desensitizing the public: "The first order of
business is desensitization of
the American public concerning gays and gay rights.....To desensitize
the public is to help it view
homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally,
we would have straights
register differences in sexual preferences the way they register
different tastes for ice cream or
sports games....At least in the beginning, we are seeking public
desensitization and nothing more.
We do not need and cannot expect a full 'appreciation' or
'understanding' of homosexuality from
the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the
masses that homosexuality is a
good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just
another thing...then your battle for
legal and social rights is virtually won" (25).
Part of the fag agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy
lifestyle, as one fag admitted in the
October 1987 fag rally on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a
right to privacy and a
protection from wrong. We also have a right -- as heterosexual
Americans already have -- to see
government and society affirm our lives" (27).
Part of the fag agenda is to turn people from Christianity: "The
teaching that only male-female
sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the
only acceptable form should
be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian
religion" (1).
Fags knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., fags
make up 10% of the population).
As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, "We
used that figure when
most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of
our numerousness" (17).
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
(8) Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(25) "The Overhauling of Straight America." Guide Magazine. November,
1987.
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'
Research purports to reveal 'dark side' of
homosexual culture
Posted: April 29, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jon Dougherty
c 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
===========================================
Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more
commonly among homosexuals than among
heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to
a new study.
"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that
homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often
accompanied by disorders that have dire
consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin
in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual
Movement," soon to be published by the Regent
University Law Review.
Baldwin is the executive director of the Council
for National Policy in Washington, D.C.
"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the
homosexual culture without appearing harsh," wrote
Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that
homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of
Western civilization - the nuclear family."
Though the homosexual community and much of the
media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin - who
chaired the California Assembly's Education
committee, where he fought against support for the
homosexual agenda in the state's public schools -
says in his report that homosexual activists'
"efforts to target children both for their own
sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual
movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on
"the family unit."
Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently
completed body of work written by Dr. Judith
Reisman, president of the Institute for Media
Education and author of numerous authoritative
books debunking sexual myths, including "Kinsey,
Crimes & Consequences."
In her thesis - also written for the Regent
University Law Review - Reisman cited psychologist
Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals
"sexually molest young boys with an incidence that
is occurring from five times greater than the
molestation of girls. ."
Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child
molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per
offender . whose targets were males."
"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child
sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was
the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice
Department grant studying child pornography and
violence. "Abel's data of 150.2 boys abused per
male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in
heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."
Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG - Parents,
Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays,
counters that federal crime data refute claims
that homosexuals molest children at higher rates
than heterosexuals.
"According to data from the Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI), this claim is false," he told
WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community
calls into question any dubious research which
flies in the face of our own experience."
And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has
been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28
years, told Salon.com, "There are far more
heterosexual cases than homosexual."
In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But
in terms of numbers of children abused per
offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater
frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-
preferred target.
Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the
assertion that child molestation is more prevalent
among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found
that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of
minors is also slanted.
"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists
Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although
homosexuals are less than two percent of the
population, three-fourths of the people who decide
the content of the front page of the New York
Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.
That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts
point out, given the recent child sex scandals
taking place within the American Catholic church.
A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports
found that rarely did the media describe priestly
sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay" activity -
even though the worst incidents involved male-to-
male contact, and a spate of investigative reports
has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about
an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools
throughout the world.
Gay press promotes sex with children
Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that
homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly
higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the
mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly
promotes sex with children."
"The editorial board of the leading pedophile
academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by
prominent homosexual scholars such as San
Francisco State University professor John DeCecco,
who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality,"
Baldwin wrote.
During his research, he also found:
The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a
special double-issue entitled, "Male
Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many
articles portraying sex between men and minor boys
as loving relationships. One article said parents
should look upon the pedophile who loves their son
"not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of
their property, but as a partner in the boy's
upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their
home."
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We
can be proud that the gay movement has been home
to the few voices who have had the courage to say
out loud that children are naturally sexual" and
"deserve the right to sexual expression with
whoever they choose. ." The article went on to
say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles,
we must proudly proclaim that sex is good,
including children's sexuality . we must do it for
the children's sake."
Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted
homosexual activist group, wrote in his book,
"Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS
Activist": "In those instances where children do
have sex with their homosexual elders, be they
teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very
often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps
even solicits it."
In a study of advertisements in the influential
homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found
ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll . available in
three provocative positions. She also found that
the number of erotic boy images in each issue of
The Advocate averaged 14.
Homosexual newspapers and travel publications
advertise prominently for countries where boy
prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the
Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand. Homosexuality
'youth-oriented'?
"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it
is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture,"
Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference
for older men."
"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said,
"some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over
between categories."
A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found
that most pedophiles even consider themselves to
be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of
Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles
described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.
Also, the study found, the number of teenage male
prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen
from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15
years.
When asked what he thought about critics who
attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the
results speak for themselves.
"For them to say this theory is false is to call
many of the homosexual movement's leaders liars,"
he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the
gay community."
"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis
- child molestation is an integral part of the
homosexual movement - is a valid thesis," Baldwin
told WorldNetDaily.
Other experts have also found a distinct pattern
between child sex abusers and the incidence of
homosexuality.
"How long can psychologists be in denial about the
significance of the dark side, and ignore what it
implies about the homosexual condition? And
there's a matter of even greater concern. How long
will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to
gay life for every sexually confused teenager?"
writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH -
the National Association for Research and Therapy
of Homosexuality - a group that says it exists to
"provide psychological understanding of the cause,
treatment and behavior patterns associated with
homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil
public dialogue."
The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or
NAMBLA, is "a group that openly promotes sex with
minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to
the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in
his report.
The group is often endorsed by "many of the
homosexual movement's most prominent leaders," he
said.
Advocacy moving to schools
Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is
increasing in the nation's public schools.
A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found
that almost every group has some sort of program
to "educate" teachers, school administrators and
other school employees about the homosexual
lifestyle:
GLSEN - the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education
Network - bills itself as "the largest national
network of parents, students, educators and
others" specifically formed to end "discrimination
based on sexual orientation and gender
identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent
press released boasted of the Broward County
(Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored
"training for teachers."
A student activist working with GLSEN officials
has managed to "give voice" recently to "gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students" at
California schools;
PFLAG has created a national campaign called,
"From Our House to the Schoolhouse," distributing
to school officials - among other materials - a
booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual
Orientation and Youth: A Primer For Principals,
Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note:
Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read
this file.] Though most school-related programs
are sold to administrators and parents as programs
designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals
and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is
compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful
to children.
"What . does the academic literature say about the
relationship between homosexuality and child
molestation? Quite a bit, actually," he wrote,
quoting data compiled by the Family Research
Institute: "Scientific studies confirm a strong
pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals."
The institute, after reviewing more than 19
studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985
"Psychological Reports" article, found that
homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent
of all child molestation.
"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to
the fact that many reporters will not report if a
child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows
that to be the case."
----------------------------------------------------
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431
Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'
Research purports to reveal 'dark side' of homosexual culture
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: April 29, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among
homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according
to a new study.
"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a
sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire
consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child
Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the
Regent University Law Review.
Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy
in Washington, D.C.
"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture
without appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to
acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of
Western civilization - the nuclear family."
Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such
accusations, Baldwin - who chaired the California Assembly's Education
committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda
in the state's public schools - says in his report that homosexual
activists' "efforts to target children both for their own sexual
pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement" constitute an
"unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."
Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently completed body of
work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for
Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking
sexual myths, including "Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences."
In her thesis - also written for the Regent University Law Review -
Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that
homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is
occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"
Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from
23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."
"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is
staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an
$800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and
violence. "Abel's data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual
offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8
girls."
Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG - Parents, Families and Friends of
Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that
homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.
"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI),
this claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian
community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the
face of our own experience."
And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and
treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far
more heterosexual cases than homosexual."
In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers
of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater
frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.
Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child
molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman
found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also
slanted.
"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently
boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the
population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the
front page of the New York Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.
That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the
recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic
church.
A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did
the media describe priestly sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay"
activity - even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male
contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the
Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary
schools throughout the world.
Gay press promotes sex with children
Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest
children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found
that "the mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex
with children."
"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal,
Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San
Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit
the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.
During his research, he also found:
The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue
entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles
portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One
article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their
son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property,
but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into
their home."
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that
the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the
courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and
"deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …"
The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled
pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including
children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."
Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist
group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an
AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with
their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit
that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps
even solicits it."
In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper,
The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available
in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of
erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.
Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently
for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the
Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'?
"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost
exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays
exhibit preference for older men."
"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent
boys, and many cross over between categories."
A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles
even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study,
"Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described
themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the
number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has
risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.
When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his
research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.
"For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the
homosexual movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence
comes right from the gay community."
"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis - child molestation
is an integral part of the homosexual movement - is a valid thesis,"
Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.
Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex
abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.
"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the
dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition?
And there's a matter of even greater concern. How long will
psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every
sexually confused teenager?" writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf
of NARTH - the National Association for Research and Therapy of
Homosexuality - a group that says it exists to "provide psychological
understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated
with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue."
The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group
that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers
respond to the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his
report.
The group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement's most
prominent leaders," he said.
Advocacy moving to schools
Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is increasing in the
nation's public schools.
A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every
group has some sort of program to "educate" teachers, school
administrators and other school employees about the homosexual
lifestyle:
GLSEN - the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network - bills itself
as "the largest national network of parents, students, educators and
others" specifically formed to end "discrimination based on sexual
orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent
press released boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board
approving GLSEN-sponsored "training for teachers."
A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to "give
voice" recently to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students"
at California schools;
PFLAG has created a national campaign called, "From Our House to the
Schoolhouse," distributing to school officials - among other materials
- a booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and
Youth: A Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel.
[Editor's note: Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read
this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and
parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals
and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence
that homosexuality is harmful to children.
"What … does the academic literature say about the relationship
between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually,"
he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute:
"Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among
homosexuals."
The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed
reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that
homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child
molestation.
"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many
reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if
he knows that to be the case."
Here's some URL's of fag pedophiles
AS OF 06/02
http://www.afajournal.org/archives/23060000011.asp
http://www.cathfam.org/Hitems/ChildMoles.html
http://www.citizensresearchinst.com/proof.html
64.55.184.74/tvc1/pdf_files/ HomosexualChildMolesters.pdf
Brent Norman
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:26:46 GMT, "RamRod" <ram...@truthonly.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I did however do some searching on Dr Abel
>
>
> Strange how could only come up with one Doctor and only quote him.
>
> Reminds me of how you posted statistics from Denver encompassing only
> one year in your defense of faggot STD rates.
>
Reminds me of when you (repeatedly) posted statistics from researchers
that clearly used a flawed methodology to support their
ultraconservative agenda that homosexuals are worthy of villification.
> I could just imagine you searching desperately for small areas and
> time frames and liberal researchers to support your claims that
> faggots are normal.
I could just imagine YOU searching desperately for small areas and
time frames, well, any time frames and specifically selected groups,
and ultra-conservative researchers to support your claims that
homosexuals are abnormal.
>
> I don't have to search very far at all and can use data from
> nationwide sources and many years combined. I don't have to evade and
> snip.
>
> By the way, Dr. Abel had this to say too. Odd how you left this part
> out:
>
>
>
>
> "Dr. Gene G. Abel, M.D., has found that homosexuals sexually molest
> young boys with an incidence that is occurring five times greater than
> the
> molestation of young girls.
The only place I was able to corroborate that quotation was from
ultraconservative websites with a bent on villifying homosexuals.
Perhaps I should contact Dr. Abel to confirm this and settle it once
and for all. For any doctor you can conjure up to say crap like that,
I can produce other studies to the contrary. I couldn't find anything
on Abel's website to corroborate this.
>
> ""on average, 150 boys are molested per homosexual pedophile
> offender, whereas only 20 girls are molested per heterosexual
> pedophile
> offender. Incredibly, homosexual offenders admitted between 23 and 282
> acts of molesting boys."
>
> ""considered in the aggregate, 3 to 4 boys are sexually molested
> per homosexual adult male."
It is generally held to be a dubious proposition that homosexuality
and paedophilia are linked. While some paedophiles are homosexually
orientated towards both adults and children, this does not in
tself_demonstrate a causal association between the two. There are a
number of issues:
(1) Uncertainty about the rates of paedophilia in heterosexual and
homosexual men;
(2) Uncertainty about the rates of homosexuality among adult men;
(3) The apparent sexual preference of some heterosexual people for
adult females while offending against boys.
A VALID QUESTION?
"to ask how the child molester's sexual orientation/preference is
related to his 'attraction' (either on a short term or long term
basis) to children. From this standpoint, however, there would seem to
be no a priori reason for suspecting that knowing whether one is
'homosexual' or 'heterosexual' would enable one to be any better at
predicting attraction to young children than knowing whether one is
right- or left-handed, blue- or brown-eyed, ... or having any other
specific characteristic."
(Newton, 1978, p. 35)
It is important to distinguish homosexuality directed towards adults
from that directed towards underage children. This allows us to see
that adult-orientated homosexuals are no more likely to become
sexually involved with children than are heterosexuals.
Surveys have identified few paedophiles amongst homosexuals: Westwood
(1960) found less than 3% claiming to be interested in young people
sexually -- which is not the same as actual sexual contacts.
About 12% of Westwood's sample had had contact after 18 years of age
with boys of 16 or younger.
Seventy-six per cent of the men said they would not engage in
homosexual activities with anybody under 17,
and 6% said that they felt free to engage in sexual activities with a
boy of any age.
Another study showed that nearly half of the men convicted of sexually
molesting boys were actually married at the time (Gebhard et al.,
1965); less than a third preferred children sexually to older people.
Using measures of sexual arousal to different sets of pictures, it was
discovered that although heterosexual men were sexually aroused by
pictures of girls rather than by those of landscapes, homosexual men
were no more aroused by pictures of boys than landscapes (Freund,
1963).
In short, just knowing the nature of an adult's sexual involvement
with children says little or nothing about their orientation to adult
men or women.
FREUND (cited by Shelly) ALSO SAYS:
"it is likely that the development of partner sex preference and age
preference are not independent of each other and that sex preference
in pedophilia is etiologically different from the sex preference of
males who prefer physically mature partners of either sex."
(Freund et at., 1984, p. 198)
An HYPOTHESIS ON PEDOPHILIA
"There were no peer-oriented homosexual males in our sample who
regressed to children. Homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia are not
synonymous. In fact, it may be that these two orientations are
mutually exclusive, the reason being that the homosexual male is
sexually attracted to masculine qualities whereas the heterosexual
male is sexually attracted to feminine characteristics, and the
sexually immature child's qualities are more feminine than masculine
...
In any case, in over 12 years of clinical experience working with
child molesters, we have yet to see any example of a regression from
an adult homosexual orientation. The child offender who is also
attracted to and engaged in adult sexual relationships is
heterosexual. It appears, therefore, that the adult heterosexual male
constitutes a greater sexual risk to underage children than does the
adult homosexual male."
(Groth and Birnbaum, 1978, pp. 180-181)
CONTRARY TO SHELLY's CONCLUSIONS:
Research at the sexology department of the Clarke Institute of
Psychiatry looked at the characteristics of men who offended against
boys compared with those against girls (Freund, Watson and Rienzo,
1987). Offenders against both sexes were excluded, as were
intra-familial offenders and those showing courtship disorders (e.g.
exhibitionists). Offenders against girls usually had just one victim
(59% compared with 33% of offenders against boys). This trend did not
apply to men who had been teenage sex offenders against children.
It is difficult to know precisely what these data imply. Freund,
Watson and Rienzo suggest that offenders against girls are often not
true paedophiles, otherwise they would exhibit more persistence in
finding victims. Offenders against boys are more likely to repeat the
offence. Of course, a simpler explanation is that offences against
girls are more likely to lead to arrest. Freund, Watson and Rienzo
argue that homosexual paedophilia accounts for offences against boys
better than heterosexual paedophilia accounts for offences against
girls. Unfortunately, this is conjecture since there is no independent
evidence of erotic fixation on children other than the number of
victims.
HOMOSEXUALITY and MOLESTATION MAY RELATE IN OTHER WAYS:
Homosexuality might impinge in other ways. Breer (1987), in his
study of adolescent boys who offend sexually against other children,
writes of "ego-distonic" homosexuality as a major cause of molestation
by teenage boys. This involves conscious or unconscious homosexual
feelings that are unacceptable to the boy himself. Some adolescent
offenders cannot accept any homosexual adjustment but are unable to
change successfully to heterosexuality. Deep conflicts about their
personal sexuality are typical. Molesting a girl child may serve as a
defence against such concerns.
95% OF CHILD MOLESTERS ARE HETEROSEXUAL ( Dr. Benjamin Spock)
Dr. Benjamin Spock in the 1970's accounted for 95% of child molesters
as being heterosexual. The DSM III-R (1987) and DSM IV-R (1994) found
that attraction to girls (heterosexuality) is apparently twice as
common as attraction to boys (homosexuality). In either case, the
particular focus of pedophilic sexuality is the sexual urges/arousal
involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child. Homosexuality
deals with sexual urges/arousal involving members of the same sex. The
two are not mutually inclusive, nor should they be associated. Just as
not all heterosexuals are child molesters, justifiably not all
homosexuals are child molesters either.
Hey Tom, I've already addressed your points nearly one-to-one, and
you've yet to come up with any reasonable rebuttals. I'll assume you
cannot dispute them.
> Š 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
> occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. ?"
>
> Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from
> 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender ? whose targets were males."
> "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ?"
> The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled
> pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including
> children's sexuality ? we must do it for the children's sake."
>
> Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist
> group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an
> AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with
> their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit
> that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps
> even solicits it."
>
> In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper,
> The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ? available
> "What ? does the academic literature say about the relationship
Tom Shelly, White God
Norman) wrote:
>Reminds me of when you (repeatedly) posted statistics from researchers
>that clearly used a flawed methodology to support their
>ultraconservative agenda that homosexuals are worthy of villification.
I'll read the rest of your post when you post proof to your allegation
against me.
I'm waiting.
Or did you just spout off your opinion as fact? Let me guess.
Tom Shelly, White God
William J. Wolfe
>
> "Dr. Gene G. Abel, M.D., has found that homosexuals sexually molest
> young boys with an incidence that is occurring five times greater than
> the
> molestation of young girls.
This is interesting piece of information. This figure is very close to
the Australian situation. I know this from the days when I was keeping
these pieces of filth under lock and key. We always offred protective
custody to the child molestors. While this might seem a way of
protecting the scum, it also made life easier for us as prison guards.
Its far easier to lock a rock spider up in his own little area than
have to stop a fight in the showers or have to patch the scum up after
they had an "accident in the kitchen or laundry. When a paedophile
chose to be brave (stupid) and live with the general population it
wasn't long before his history became known and he was given a
comprehensive thumping.
>
> ""on average, 150 boys are molested per homosexual pedophile
> offender, whereas only 20 girls are molested per heterosexual
> pedophile
Yep, that fits the picture. Of course ramrod and his rectum reamers
will try to deny the facts but its a known and well proven fact that
male homosexuals are almost without exception compulsively
promiscuous.
If a plague struck the shit eaters tomorrow and killed them off they
would not be missd by anybody.
ZKL
"William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom Shelly, White God" <Tom_Shelly_Legenda...@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:<tr3l30lell195cvfp...@4ax.com>...
>
>
> >
> > "Dr. Gene G. Abel, M.D., has found that homosexuals sexually molest
> > young boys with an incidence that is occurring five times greater than
> > the
> > molestation of young girls.
>
> This is interesting piece of information. This figure is very close to
> the Australian situation. I know this from the days when I was keeping
> these pieces of filth under lock and key. We always offred protective
> custody to the child molestors. While this might seem a way of
> protecting the scum, it also made life easier for us as prison guards.
> Its far easier to lock a rock spider up in his own little area than
> have to stop a fight in the showers or have to patch the scum up after
> they had an "accident in the kitchen or laundry. When a paedophile
> chose to be brave (stupid) and live with the general population it
> wasn't long before his history became known and he was given a
> comprehensive thumping.
so you are what is known as a screw
Brent Norman
> On 23 Feb 2004 21:35:47 -0800, nellig...@hotmail.com (Brent
> Norman) wrote:
>
> >Reminds me of when you (repeatedly) posted statistics from researchers
> >that clearly used a flawed methodology to support their
> >ultraconservative agenda that homosexuals are worthy of villification.
>
>
> I'll read the rest of your post when you post proof to your allegation
> against me.
>
> I'm waiting.
Here's two:
You cited extensively:
Judith Reisman
Her opinions mostly based on "innuendo" rather than scientific facts,
the favoured puppet of the ultra-conservatives. Former player on "The
Captain Kangaroo Show". She studied media and communications. Some
of her publishing outlets, such as the Journal of Human Sexuality,
would easily publish her essays, (sponsored by Campus Crusade for
Christ). Her fervent attacks on Kinsey have led her to many trials,
even to the point of losing a court case against the Kinsey Institute
(the ruling included a prohibition on trying again).
Paul Cameron:
In 1985, a federal judge concluded that Cameron had engaged in "fraud"
and "misrepresentation" when he testified in a gay-related case in
Texas. (Baker v. Wade, 106 Federal Rules Decisions 526 [N.D. Texas,
1985]) Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred
to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a
proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and
concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations
to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or
misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron"
On page 536 of his opinion, Judge Buchmeyer noted the following
examples of misrepresentations by Cameron to the Court:
"(i) his sworn statement that "homosexuals are approximately 43 times
more apt to commit crimes than is the general population" is a total
distortion of the Kinsey data upon which he relies which, as is
obvious to anyone who reads the report, concerns data from a
non-representative sample of delinquent homosexuals (and Dr. Cameron
compares this group to college and non-college heterosexuals);
(ii) his sworn statement that "homosexuals abuse children at a
proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals" is based upon
the same distorted data and, the Court notes, is directly contrary to
other evidence presented at trial besides the testimony of Dr. Simon
and Dr. Marmour. (553 F. Supp. 1121 at 1130 n.18.)"
Speaking at the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference Cameron
said, "'Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of
the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals."
According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop,
Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983." -
Mark E. Pietrzyk,
News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.
Cameron told Rolling Stone magazine in a March 1999 interview that he
feared gay sex would supplant heterosexual sex unless a vigilant
society repressed it. "Marital sex tends toward the boring," he said.
"Generally, it doesn't deliver the kind of sheer sexual pleasure that
homosexual sex does." If all one seeks is an orgasm, he said, "the
evidence is that men do a better job on men, and women on women.
Homosexuality," he said, "seems too powerful to resist."
In 1987 the work of Paul Cameron was condemned by the UK Press
Complaints Commissions when it was presented as "fact" a newspaper
article. Read the Details.
Here's some more stuff that you left out about Abel.
Excerpted from The Stop Child Molestation Book, by Gene G. Abel, M.D.,
and Nora Harlow (Xlibris 2001) (Study text revised April 2002)
SEX FANTASIES AND THEORIES OF EARLY CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCE
Many years ago, two groups of scientists educated in entirely
different theoretical psychiatric orientations came independently to
identical conclusions. One group, the analysts, including Sigmund
Freud, and a second group, the behaviorists, both concluded that the
fantasies coming from early childhood sexual experiences were critical
to the child's development of adult sexual interest. It is a rare
scientific occurrence for two groups of scientists from two different
perspectives to come to identical conclusions. When this does occur,
we say that the finding is of increased scientific validity. Our
finding, that the older child's repeated sexual fantasies of much
younger children shapes that child's adult sexual interest in
children, is yet another confirmation of these earlier theories.
How molesters' fantasies relate to the number of children they molest
We divided the 3,952 male child molesters into two groups: those who
claimed to have no sexual fantasies of children (59 percent) and those
who reported continual fantasies of touching a child for sexual
arousal (41 percent). When members of the second group were asked,
"How many of your sexual fantasies are about touching a child
sexually?," their answers ranged from "a few" to "all."
Having child-centered sexual fantasies nearly quadrupled the number of
children the molester victimized. Men who did not fantasize about
children averaged 4 victims. Men with child-centered sex fantasies
averaged 15 victims. Having child-centered sex fantasies also more
than doubled the number of acts a molester committed. Men who did not
fantasize averaged 30 acts, in contrast to men with sexual fantasies,
who averaged 73 acts.
Statistical significance
To determine if having child-centered sex fantasies prompted men to
sexually touch more children than men without those fantasies at a
statistically significant level, a t-test was conducted using the
Satterthwaite approximation for unequal variances. Results revealed
that the differences were statistically significant (t=-7.5, DF=1703,
p<=.001). The same methodology used to test the statistical
significance of the effect of child-centered sex fantasies on number
of acts revealed that the differences between the two groups were
statistically significant (t=-9.3, DF=2194, p<=.0001). Although the
molesters with child-centered sex fantasies were less than half (41
percent) of the total number of molesters, they molested 66,521
children. The non-fantasizing molesters (59 percent) molested 8,770.
ADULT SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS OF MEN WHO MOLEST BOYS
While it is a commonly held belief that men who prefer men as adult
sex partners molest boys and men who prefer women as adult sex
partners molest girls, our study results suggest something different.
(Note: Only 7 percent of child molesters show no sexual interest in
adults.)
Alfred E. Kinsey, in his landmark study of male sexuality, divided
adult sexual interest into seven categories: three categories of
homosexuality, one category of bi-sexuality, and three categories of
heterosexuality. The Abel and Harlow study used this "Kinsey Scale" in
its questions about adult sexual preference.
The 1,038 men who molested boys reported a range of adult sexual
preferences. Contrary to popular belief, only 8 percent reported that
they were exclusively homosexual in their adult preferences. The
majority of the men who molested boys (51 percent) described
themselves as exclusively heterosexual in their adult partner
preferences. An additional 19 percent reported they were predominately
heterosexual, while yet another 9 percent said they were equally
heterosexual and homosexual in their adult sex life. As with other
characteristics, the group of 1,038 men who molest boys followed the
general pattern of the U.S. male population in regard to their adult
sexual preferences. As reported by Kinsey, the majority of U.S. adult
males (76 percent) described themselves as exclusively heterosexual
and an additional 9 percent said they were predominantly heterosexual.
In terms of their homosexuality, Kinsey reports that those U.S. males
who describe themselves as exclusively homosexual are 6 percent and
those that report being predominantly homosexual an additional 4
percent. These findings are in direct opposition to the generally
accepted opinion that the overwhelming majority of men who molest boys
are homosexual. The majority of men who molest boys (70 percent) are
predominantly heterosexual. In general, that large number parallels
the number of men in the U.S. population (85 percent) who have
reported that they are predominantly heterosexual.
MOLESTED BOYS WHO BECOME ADULT MOLESTERS
There was a difference in our molester group between the 53 percent of
men who had never been sexually abused as children (2,066) and the 47
percent of men who had been sexually abused (1,832). The molesters who
had been sexually abused children started to molest at an earlier age,
and they molested more children. The most striking difference occurred
with the adult molesters who, as children, had been severely sexually
abused (molested more than 50 times).
Starting early
In our analysis of 2,294 pedophiles, those who were never abused
reported that only 9 percent of them molested before the age of 10
years and another 28 percent between the ages 10 and 15. Severely
sexually abused pedophiles reported that 25 percent of them molested
before the age of 10 and 40 percent between the ages of 10 and 15. In
all, 49 percent of the never-abused pedophiles molested before the age
of 20, while 76 percent of the severely sexually abused pedophiles
molested before the age of 20.
Molesting more children
An analysis of the total group of 3,952 admitted child molesters
revealed a dramatic difference between the never-abused molesters (53
percent) and the severely abused molesters (47 percent) in the number
of their victims. Never-abused molesters averaged 7 child victims
while severely sexually abused victims averaged 25 victims. On
average, severely sexually abused molesters committed well over 100
more acts (142 acts) than never-abused molesters (37 acts).
This finding leads us to believe in the importance of identifying
molested boys and intervening early in their lives with evaluations
and, when necessary, medication and effective therapies that will help
them control their urges to sexually abuse much younger children. This
is a necessary step to protect children through primary prevention by
blocking the development of pedophilia.
>
> Or did you just spout off your opinion as fact? Let me guess.
When your "facts" are fundamentally damaged goods, such as in several
of your points, it becomes nothing more than opinion.
Please cite my opinion as fact that is not reasonable.
William J. Wolfe
>
> so you are what is known as a screw
So you have some comprehension problems there, boy. I said "when I
was," dumbo. I've been out of that caper for nearly four years now.
Any maggot who called a prison officer a screw was hit with a BD.
ZKL
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Why???? when some tels you the truth abut yourself you get paranoid, you
would not pass the entrence test for recruitment to the group 4 correction
system as at mount gambier new jaol a lot of the old mound gambier staff
were refused employment by group4 i know some of them personally as friends.
that officer who hit any prisoner with a BD would be charged with assalting
a prisoner and many charges have stuck.
William J. Wolfe
> "William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:11c3082a.04022...@posting.google.com...
> > "ZKL" <afor...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:<MHK_b.74678$Wa....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> >
> > >
> > > so you are what is known as a screw
> >
> > So you have some comprehension problems there, boy. I said "when I
> > was," dumbo. I've been out of that caper for nearly four years now.
> > Any maggot who called a prison officer a screw was hit with a BD.
>
> Why???? when some tels you the truth abut yourself you get paranoid,
Get real, dickhead, you haven't told me anything about me yet.
you
> would not pass the entrence test for recruitment to the group 4 correction
> system as at mount gambier new jaol a lot of the old mound gambier staff
> were refused employment by group4 i know some of them personally as friends.
>
> that officer who hit any prisoner with a BD would be charged with assalting
> a prisoner and many charges have stuck.
And there, little shithead, is the proof of your congenital stupidity.
You got a fucking clue as to what a BD is. Go back to playing with
yourself in the sandpit little boy.
ZKL
You are not very bright, i will communicate with my friends and they will
tell me who you are
Tom Shelly, White God
Norman) wrote:
>Here's two:
>
>You cited extensively:
>
>Judith Reisman
>Her opinions mostly based on "innuendo" rather than scientific facts,
>the favoured puppet of the ultra-conservatives. Former player on "The
>Captain Kangaroo Show". She studied media and communications. Some
>of her publishing outlets, such as the Journal of Human Sexuality,
>would easily publish her essays, (sponsored by Campus Crusade for
>Christ). Her fervent attacks on Kinsey have led her to many trials,
>even to the point of losing a court case against the Kinsey Institute
>(the ruling included a prohibition on trying again).
Ok, read this slowly:
Your opinion does not constitute fact.
And the unsubstantiated facts that you posted above does little to
discredit her even if they are true. (former player on Captain
Kangaroo Show? So?) But as with all your posts, there's no way for
us to tell if they are true because you never post independent
verifiable sources.
And even if you did, what you wrote above does little if anything to
discredit her in the first place.
Show me facts with verifiable links that clearly discredit Judith
Reisman.
And once again,
Your opinion does not constitute fact.
I'll read the next when you post some proof that discredits Judith or
go back to the original claim and prove it:
Tom Shelly, White God
Tom Shelly, White God
Gimmee_...@linkedto.securecoffee.com (Prunella Perfecto) wrote:
>
>And, Brent, you've also been told before that what comes from the APA
>isn't worth a teaspoon of warm spit, either. They're now little more
>than an arm of the Gay Lobby, and their pro-homosexual activities
>prove it.
He wants to have it both ways.
He wants that we post verifiable facts and sources that are
independently verifiable as facts and he wants that his AIDS cocktail
induced thoughts constitute facts .
Tom Shelly, White God
William J. Wolfe
>
> You are not very bright,
So post proof of your allegation, queer boy.
i will communicate with my friends and they will
> tell me who you are
Top idea, shit lips. Go play soggy saos with your poofter butt fucking mates.
ZKL
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Sorry budy my wife won't let me, besides i am hetro, dont like males, most
of them are like you, revolting
William J. Wolfe
> "William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:11c3082a.04022...@posting.google.com...
> > "ZKL" <afor...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:<JBh%b.76966$Wa.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > >
> > > You are not very bright,
> >
> > So post proof of your allegation, queer boy.
> >
> > i will communicate with my friends and they will
> > > tell me who you are
> >
> > Top idea, shit lips. Go play soggy saos with your poofter butt fucking
> mates.
>
> Sorry budy my wife won't let me,
So you do whate ver your wife tells you? You're no man, you're a pussy
whipped sook.
besides i am hetro,
"Hetro?" What the fuck is this, another dietfad?
dont like males, most
> of them are like you, revolting
You definitely have a problem, pussy boy. You must be the girlie boy
that works in a sewing machine shop and never socialises with real
men.
ZKL
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> "ZKL" <afor...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:11c3082a.04022...@posting.google.com...
> > > "ZKL" <afor...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:<JBh%b.76966$Wa.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > > >
> > > > You are not very bright,
> > >
> > > So post proof of your allegation, queer boy.
> > >
> > > i will communicate with my friends and they will
> > > > tell me who you are
> > >
> > > Top idea, shit lips. Go play soggy saos with your poofter butt fucking
> > mates.
> >
> > Sorry budy my wife won't let me,
>
> So you do whate ver your wife tells you? You're no man, you're a pussy
> whipped sook.
>
> besides i am hetro,
>
> "Hetro?" What the fuck is this, another dietfad?
>
> dont like males, most
> > of them are like you, revolting
>
> You definitely have a problem, pussy boy. You must be the girlie boy
> that works in a sewing machine shop and never socialises with real
> men.
nope heat treatment furnace opperator, electrician
Brent Norman
> On 24 Feb 2004 12:14:13 -0800, nellig...@hotmail.com (Brent
> Norman) wrote:
>
> >Here's two:
> >
> >You cited extensively:
> >
> >Judith Reisman
> >Her opinions mostly based on "innuendo" rather than scientific facts,
> >the favoured puppet of the ultra-conservatives. Former player on "The
> >Captain Kangaroo Show". She studied media and communications. Some
> >of her publishing outlets, such as the Journal of Human Sexuality,
> >would easily publish her essays, (sponsored by Campus Crusade for
> >Christ). Her fervent attacks on Kinsey have led her to many trials,
> >even to the point of losing a court case against the Kinsey Institute
> >(the ruling included a prohibition on trying again).
>
>
> Ok, read this slowly:
>
> Your opinion does not constitute fact.
And yours does?
>
> And the unsubstantiated facts that you posted above does little to
> discredit her even if they are true. (former player on Captain
> Kangaroo Show? So?) But as with all your posts, there's no way for
> us to tell if they are true because you never post independent
> verifiable sources.
>
> And even if you did, what you wrote above does little if anything to
> discredit her in the first place.
>
> Show me facts with verifiable links that clearly discredit Judith
> Reisman.
>
> And once again,
>
> Your opinion does not constitute fact.
>
>
> I'll read the next when you post some proof that discredits Judith or
> go back to the original claim and prove it:
>
>
>
> Tom Shelly, White God
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12903
"Reisman, a former researcher for Rev. Donald Wildmon's
ultra-conservative American Family Foundation, received $734,000 from
the Justice Department's 1980s-era "Meese" anti-pornography commission
to study cartoons of children in men's magazines. When she handed in
her work, the government refused to publish it because it was so
flawed. In 1990, she was the only citizen, except for several police
officers, to testify for the state of Ohio in its obscenity case
against a Cincinnati museum that had exhibited the work of famed gay
photographer Robert Mapplethorpe.
Reisman told the jury Mapplethorpe was a "fascist" whose pictures were
"not art" because they seldom depicted faces. (The jury acquitted.)
Since then, Reisman has published her major work with Lousiana-based
Huntington House. According to its website, the press specializes in
titles such as "From Earthquakes to Global Unity: The End Times Have
Begun," and books that ask "Are we under siege from ancient demonic
powers?"
Reisman has gone on record comparing "Harmful to Minors" with "Mein
Kampf" (though she admits she's read neither book)."
*****
http://eserver.org/cultronix/califia/meese/
"The Meese Report"
"The Justice Department had given antiporn activist Judith Reisman a
grant for $734,000 to study the cartoons in Playboy, Penthouse, and
Hustler. Reisman is known for attacking Kinsey, whom she says got all
his evidence about child sexuality from a man who molested over eight
hundred children. Her knowledge of child sexuality probably comes from
her experience as a scriptwriter for "Captain Kangaroo." Her grant was
so poorly written and its budget so inflated that it drew criticism
from the Senate Juvenile Justice Subcommittee. It emerged that
Reisman's "peer review" had been conducted by three vice cops, an FBI
agent, and fellow antiporn activist and beneficiary of Justice
Department funding, Ann Burgess. Reisman testified at the hearings,
but her warning that "The cartoon scenario is the common setting in
erotica/pornography within which the breaking of sexual taboos first
appears," was not exactly what the Commission needed to put itself
over the top. [20] Wooster, "Reagan's Smutstompers."
*******
Carol, Avedon 1994, Nudes, Prudes and Attitudes: Pornography and
Censorship, New Clarion Press, Gloucester.
"The Reece submission stated (p386) that "One of the central
objectives of pornography is the mainstreaming of child pornography".
Reece stated that "Reisman has written at length describing the child
magnets used in pornography. These include such classic child
characters as Mickey Mouse, Santa Claus, Winnie the Pooh and other
childhood favourites" and also referred (p391) to Reisman's analysis
of Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler stating that Reisman found "6004
child images" in these magazines.
This study was undertaken by Reisman in 1984 using a US Justice
Department grant of $734,371 to analyse the content of these magazines
between 1954 and 1984. Subsequently, Reagan-appointee Alfred Regnery,
who commissioned the study, had to admit that it was a mistake (Carol,
1994).
"It was a scientific disaster, riddled with researcher bias and
baseless assumptions. The American University (AU), where Reisman's
study had been academically based, actually refused to publish it when
she released it, after their independent academic auditor reported on
it. Dr Robert Figlio of the University of Pennsylvania told AU that,
'The term child used in the aggregate sense in this report is so
inclusive and general as to be meaningless.' Figlio told the press, 'I
wondered what kind of mind would consider the love scene from Romeo
and Juliet to be child porn'." (Carol, 1994, p.116) "
**********
Judith Reisman's Allegations Regarding Dr Alfred Kinsey's Research
The Reece submission (p372) also referred to Reisman's allegations
that Dr Alfred Kinsey sexually abused children, etc, during his
research fifty years ago. Reece stated that Kinsey was "revealed [by
Reisman] to have perpetrated one of the major scientific hoaxes of the
twentieth century, and a major sex criminal and voyeur". He also
stated that people "at the Indiana University school [Kinsey
Institute], moved on to use their position at the pinnacle of the
world of academic establishment to advocate paedophilia."
The Kinsey Institute has responded on several occasions since 1991 to
Reisman's allegations concerning Dr Kinsey and The Kinsey Institute,
stating that such claims are not factual. A section of the Indiana
University web site, entitled The Kinsey Controversy, contains copies
of media releases and other statements. For example:
Bancroft Responds To Allegations From Family Research Council, Indiana
University News Release, 6 Sep 1995
"(Editor's Note: The following is from John Bancroft, director of The
Kinsey Institute, in response to the Sept. 6, 1995 news release from
the Family Research Council regarding its video, 'The Children of
Table 34.')
...
"Allegations against Kinsey concerning this information about
children's sexual responses were first made in 1981 by Judith A.
Reisman. She subsequently enlarged on these ideas in a book written
jointly with Edward Eichel and published in 1990 [Kinsey, Sex, and
Fraud]. When The Kinsey Institute responded, Reisman filed suit in
1991 against The Kinsey Institute, then director June Reinisch, and
Indiana University, alleging defamation of character and slander. In
September 1993, Reisman's lawyer withdrew from the case, and in June
1994 the court dismissed Reisman's case with prejudice [which means
that Reisman is prohibited from refiling the suit].
...
It is relevant to ask why these people continue to raise this issue.
Clearly they have concerns about the effects of sex education, and
they assert that this original information about children's sexual
responses, obtained from a few adult pedophiles, forms the basis for
modern sex education. They apparently hope that if Dr. Kinsey and his
work, carried out more than 50 years ago, can be discredited, modern
sex education will lose its credibility also."
***********
William J. Wolfe
Translation : Wage slave.
It doesn't need a sparkie to run a furnce, it only needs a hand to hit
the switch and a metalworker who knows what time and heat to use.