Announcement: I am resigning as news.announce.newgroups moderator
David Lawrence
"secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
We also will be holding a Usenet "constitutional convention" via
a mailing list to discuss a long-term revision of the guidelines. The first
proposal put to the list will be the elimination of no votes in favor of
a Usenet Name Committee who will have veto authority over newsgroup names.
The mailing list will be open to anyone willing to behave reasonably well
(a "three serious flames and you're out" policy will be in effect).
My appologies for the confusion that has occurred, but obviously
this is a fairly major change and it has been some time in coming.
I am looking forwards to returning to some semblance of a normal
lifestyle after these several years of moderating n.a.ng .
Thank you,
-tale
N.A.F. McNelly
(David Lawrence) wrote:
:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
Only two words are needed to respond to this: April 1st
John Pimentel
writes:
>In article <3lnsag$g...@netaxs.com>, gre...@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) writes:
>>
>>On my end, it looks like someone at the University of Pittsburgh. Or, at
>>least their news server. Very well done, whoever you are. :-)
>>
>>#Path: netaxs.com!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!
>># ten.uu.net!tale
>>--
>No. Here is the path to here:
>Path: insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!ten.uu.net!tale
>It looks like someone at UUNET? Could someone explain.
The paths are identical through uunet, then like everything else is propagated.
Yes, it looks like it orginated at tale, but the bigger question is why wasn't
Mike Chapman nominated to the office that he wants so much? He's an upstanding
USENET participant with very well thought out articles for our viewing
pleasure. Granted he hasn't been here too terribly long, but he does know how
to approve messages to be posted, even if it isn't his newsgroup, but we can
disregard these fine qualifications for such an upstanding individual.
Derek L.
> "secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
> I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
> two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
> news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
> will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
> for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
Well! Better get cracking!
tcsh# cd /usr/local/news
tcsh# sed -e "s/tale@\*\.uu\.net/sexton@\*\.interlog\.com/g" <control.ctl
>control.ctl.new
{hmm... hold on a second...}
tcsh# date
Sat Apr 1 23:24:49 EST 1995
Maybe I should just wait a little while... :)
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Stephen Boursy
David Lawrence <ta...@ten.uu.net> wrote:
>
> In order to quell the rumors flying around about what the
>"secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
>I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
>two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
>will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
>for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
>
Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
vicious flamers on the usenet.
So where are those damn ballots so the average usenet user may
vote?? Or is perhaps the intention to not have the average user vote on
this rather drastic change in admin policy.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) shaped the electrons to say:
>
>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
>
>
While I'd argue that you're entitled to your opinion. The
difference is that Mr. Sexton will be a moderator which is a very sad
and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
Steve
>: So where are those damn ballots so the average usenet user may
Matt Messina
Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>In article <3lkvqb$p...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Andrew Toppan <el...@wpi.edu> wrote:
>>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) shaped the electrons to say:
>>
>>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
>>: vicious flamers on the usenet.
>
>and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
>Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
Give Steve enough rope...
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Matt Austern
ta...@ten.uu.net (David Lawrence) writes:
> In order to quell the rumors flying around about what the
> "secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
> I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
> two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
> news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
> will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
> for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
Too obvious. Sorry...
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Russ Allbery
>
>Too obvious. Sorry...
Not for some. As sites which do not honor cancels will see, I fell for that
one rather hard. My only defense is that Sexton is before my time.
Congratulations, David...well done.
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Ken Arromdee
Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>David Lawrence <ta...@ten.uu.net> wrote:
>> In order to quell the rumors flying around about what the
>>"secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
>>I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
>>two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>>news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
>>will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
>>for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
>vicious flamers on the usenet.
>vote?? Or is perhaps the intention to not have the average user vote on
>this rather drastic change in admin policy.
Um, Steve, have you checked the date on the calendar? April 1. Notice
that?
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Ian Kluft
>Newsgroups: news.admin.policy,news.groups
Hmmm... I would have thought that Tale could post to news.announce.newgroups.
>Path: ogma.ccc.amdahl.com!amdahl.com!pacbell.com!well!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!ten.uu.net!tale
You forgot kremvax... ;-) (Hey, we have to maintain those traditions!)
>From: ta...@ten.uu.net (David Lawrence)
>Subject: Announcement: I am resigning as news.announce.newgroups moderator
>Message-ID: <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>
That message ID doesn't look random enough.
>Organization:
I think Tale knows where he's from...
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:45:22 EST
Hmmm... I wouldn't make a big announcement on that date. :-)
>[...]
> My appologies for the confusion that has occurred, but obviously
>this is a fairly major change and it has been some time in coming.
>I am looking forwards to returning to some semblance of a normal
>lifestyle after these several years of moderating n.a.ng .
Hmmmm... I'm afraid you hit a little too close to home on that one. I
almost fell for it at first glance.
The big thing here is that Tale most likely isn't concerned about rumors on
news.grouyps or he would have left just after he started 4 or so years ago.
>Thank you,
>
>-tale
Congratulations to whoever (probably at either UC Berkeley or Virginia Tech)
posted this. It looks like you caught a few... hook, line, and sinker.
And they even posted to admit it!
Well done.
Modemac
: In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>,
: David Lawrence <ta...@ten.uu.net> wrote:
: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
Please note the invalid address for Tale listed above.
Methinks someone fell for an April Fools joke! :)
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Stephen Boursy
Ian Kluft <ikl...@oes.amdahl.com> wrote:
>
>>From: ta...@ten.uu.net (David Lawrence)
>>Subject: Announcement: I am resigning as news.announce.newgroups moderator
>>Message-ID: <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>
>
>That message ID doesn't look random enough.
>
>> My appologies for the confusion that has occurred, but obviously
>>this is a fairly major change and it has been some time in coming.
>>I am looking forwards to returning to some semblance of a normal
>>lifestyle after these several years of moderating n.a.ng .
>
>Hmmmm... I'm afraid you hit a little too close to home on that one. I
>almost fell for it at first glance.
>
>
>posted this. It looks like you caught a few... hook, line, and sinker.
>And they even posted to admit it!
>
>Well done.
Rather odd and irresponsible attitude for one counting the votes
on this news admin reorganization. You should resign the position.
And where are those damn ballots???? The deadline is tomorrow is
it not. Guess you just don't want people to vote outside your little
circle of insiders even though this policy proposal has serious
ramifications for all usenet readers and posters.
Steve
Dave Furstenau
: In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>,
: David Lawrence <ta...@ten.uu.net> wrote:
: >
: >two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
: >news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
: >will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
: >for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
: So where are those damn ballots so the average usenet user may
: vote?? Or is perhaps the intention to not have the average user vote on
: this rather drastic change in admin policy.
:
: Steve
So ... been on the riverboat long, Mr. Maverick?
Dave Furstenau d...@unlinfo.unl.edu
Andrew Hackard
> While I'd argue that you're entitled to your opinion. The
>difference is that Mr. Sexton will be a moderator which is a very sad
>and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
^^^^
>Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
Bing! Got it in only two or three. Check the date stamp, Stephen.
(Nice work, tale -- I was ready to believe it until I thought about it
for a minute.)
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David Veal
writes:
> While I'd argue that you're entitled to your opinion. The
>difference is that Mr. Sexton will be a moderator which is a very sad
>and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
You've argued against the existance of moderated newsgroups entirely.
Presumably, in your view, nobody is suitable for such a task.
Matt Schnierle
:In article <ikluft.7...@amdahl.com>,
:Ian Kluft <ikl...@oes.amdahl.com> wrote:
:>
:>>From: ta...@ten.uu.net (David Lawrence)
:>>Subject: Announcement: I am resigning as news.announce.newgroups moderator
:>>Message-ID: <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>
:>
:>That message ID doesn't look random enough.
:>
:>>[...]
:>> My appologies for the confusion that has occurred, but obviously
:>>this is a fairly major change and it has been some time in coming.
:>>I am looking forwards to returning to some semblance of a normal
:>>lifestyle after these several years of moderating n.a.ng .
:>
:>Hmmmm... I'm afraid you hit a little too close to home on that one. I
:>almost fell for it at first glance.
:>
:>
:>Congratulations to whoever (probably at either UC Berkeley or Virginia Tech)
:>posted this. It looks like you caught a few... hook, line, and sinker.
:>And they even posted to admit it!
:>
:>Well done.
:
:
:
: Rather odd and irresponsible attitude for one counting the votes
:on this news admin reorganization. You should resign the position.
Why, because he commented on an april bours, err fools joke that you
bought hook. line, and sinker (troll 2, boursy 0)? You should find ground
to stand on before making character accusations/assasinations.
: And where are those damn ballots???? The deadline is tomorrow is
:it not. Guess you just don't want people to vote outside your little
:circle of insiders even though this policy proposal has serious
:ramifications for all usenet readers and posters.
I believe the group is called news.announce.newsgroups. Maybe
your site does not get it. Since when is the votetaker obligated to
distribute ballots for lethargic folks to vote with? If they truly feel
threatened by the re-org, they will find a ballot and vote. First it
was usernames, now ballots. Steve, _please_ find an arguement
to use that has not already been beaten to death (usernames) or
totally irrational (ballots). And watch for what people say on
April 1st. They might just be trying to get a sucker's reaction,
you know.
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David Lawrence (ta...@ten.uu.net) wrote:
> My appologies for the confusion that has occurred, but obviously
*Bzzzt* Tale knows how to spell `apologies'. :-)
On my end, it looks like someone at the University of Pittsburgh. Or, at
least their news server. Very well done, whoever you are. :-)
#Path: netaxs.com!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!
# ten.uu.net!tale
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>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) wrote:
>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
>: vicious flamers on the usenet.
Boursy fell for an April Fool's joke? Shucks! You could have knocked
me over with a sledghammer.
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>least their news server. Very well done, whoever you are. :-)
>
>#Path: netaxs.com!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!
># ten.uu.net!tale
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It looks like someone at UUNET? Could someone explain.
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Dave Hayes
>(David Lawrence) wrote:
>:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
Oh damn! I thought, for a moment, sanity had returned to the net.
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N.A.F. McNelly <nmcn...@acs.bu.edu> wrote:
>In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>, ta...@ten.uu.net
>
>:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
>
>Only two words are needed to respond to this: April 1st
>
not valid. tale posted his message on "Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:45:22 EST" - is this
significant?
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Francis A Uy
>Ian Kluft <ikl...@oes.amdahl.com> wrote:
>>>From: ta...@ten.uu.net (David Lawrence)
>>>Subject: Announcement: I am resigning as news.announce.newgroups moderator
>>Congratulations to whoever (probably at either UC Berkeley or Virginia Tech)
>>posted this. It looks like you caught a few... hook, line, and sinker.
> Rather odd and irresponsible attitude for one counting the votes
>on this news admin reorganization. You should resign the position.
Gee, my nose detects the pungent vapours of ... sour grapes!
Three cheers for Steve Boursy, official joke of news.groups.
You must be proud of yourself.
-F
.
John Pimentel
>In article <nmcnelly-010...@ppp-81-14.bu.edu>,
>N.A.F. McNelly <nmcn...@acs.bu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>, ta...@ten.uu.net
>>(David Lawrence) wrote:
>>
>>:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>>:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
>>
>>Only two words are needed to respond to this: April 1st
>>
>In Britain, you're supposed to do these things before Midday, otherwise they're
>not valid. tale posted his message on "Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:45:22 EST" - is this
>significant?
No.
Karl_Kl...@cs.cmu.edu
> >It looks like someone at UUNET? Could someone explain.
> The paths are identical through uunet, then like everything else is
> propagated. Yes, it looks like it orginated at tale...
Not hardly -- only the most surface of appearances. Absolutely anyone
can mutter IHAVEs at news.uu.net, including any forged Path: one
wishes. I used to do this deliberately from mesquite.charcoal.com,
before Mesquite was taking a proper newsfeed but postings needed to go
out regardless. The only thing of which you can be reasonably sure is
that someone injected it at news.uu.net; nothing to the right of
!uunet! is certain.
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Jonathan Grobe <gr...@netins.net> wrote:
>It looks like someone at UUNET? Could someone explain.
Jonathan, you know as well as anyone that uunet operates a
promiscuous NNTP server.
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: On my end, it looks like someone at the University of Pittsburgh. Or, at
: least their news server. Very well done, whoever you are. :-)
The path may be well done, but the address, name and organization
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John Pimentel <pime...@roots.ultranet.com> wrote...
> . . . the bigger question is why wasn't
> Mike Chapman nominated to the office that he wants so much? He's an upstanding
> USENET participant with very well thought out articles for our viewing
> pleasure. Granted he hasn't been here too terribly long, but he does know how
> to approve messages to be posted, even if it isn't his newsgroup, but we can
> disregard these fine qualifications for such an upstanding individual.
Um...April Fool's day is over now, John. *grin*
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phil reed
>
>In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>,
>David Lawrence <ta...@ten.uu.net> wrote:
>>
>> In order to quell the rumors flying around about what the
>>"secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
>>I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
>>news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
>>will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
>>for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
>>
>
>
>vicious flamers on the usenet.
>
>vote?? Or is perhaps the intention to not have the average user vote on
>this rather drastic change in admin policy.
Fell for that one hard, didn't you?
Besides, what makes you think Usenet is a democracy?
>
>
> Steve
>
>
--
...phil
John Pimentel
>pime...@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) writes:
>> >It looks like someone at UUNET? Could someone explain.
>> The paths are identical through uunet, then like everything else is
>> propagated. Yes, it looks like it orginated at tale...
>Not hardly -- only the most surface of appearances. Absolutely anyone
>can mutter IHAVEs at news.uu.net, including any forged Path: one
>wishes. I used to do this deliberately from mesquite.charcoal.com,
>before Mesquite was taking a proper newsfeed but postings needed to go
>out regardless. The only thing of which you can be reasonably sure is
>that someone injected it at news.uu.net; nothing to the right of
>!uunet! is certain.
That's all fine and good, but that's not what I stated. My opinion was that
"it looks like it orginated at tale", note the "it looks like" as opposed to
what your assuming I said that "it did originate at tale", their a significant
difference here.
Joe Helfrich
that rec.arts.comics.* reorg....
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> So where are those damn ballots so the average usenet user may
>vote??
They are at your Post Office, next to the 1040A's.
You can copy the forms at the library, but that will cost a
quarter for the Xerox....
Peter Vorobieff
>
>In article <3lkvqb$p...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Andrew Toppan <el...@wpi.edu> wrote:
>>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) shaped the electrons to say:
>>
>>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
>>
>>
>
>
> While I'd argue that you're entitled to your opinion. The
>difference is that Mr. Sexton will be a moderator which is a very sad
>and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
>Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
The article about tale's resignation was posted on April, 1.
YHBT again. HAND.
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>David Lawrence <ta...@ten.uu.net> wrote:
>> In order to quell the rumors flying around about what the
>>"secret" behind-the-scenes reorganization of news.announce.newgroups is,
>>I've decided to announce the most major change right away rather than
>>two weeks from now. I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>>news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May. My immediate replacement
>>will be Richard Sexton, who has been a fine and upstanding Usenet citizen
>>for many years and has contributed quite a bit to Usenet's stable growth.
>>
>
>
>vicious flamers on the usenet.
>
>this rather drastic change in admin policy.
Hook.
Line.
Sinker.
Fishermen 2; Boursy 0
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David Veal
>In article <veal.71....@gateway.ce.utk.edu>,
>David Veal <ve...@gateway.ce.utk.edu> wrote:
>> You've argued against the existance of moderated newsgroups entirely.
>>Presumably, in your view, nobody is suitable for such a task.
> This proposed 'moderated' group would eliminate and replace
>news.admin.policy which is presently uncensored.
Not exclusively. Like most moderated newsgroups there is one that
goes with it which is unmoderated. It is much more accurate to describe it
as adding a moderated newsgroup to go with an unmoderated one, not the
removal of an unmoderated group to be replaced by a moderated one.
> But yes--no one is suited to the task of moderating a group on
>this subject and I'd suggest that those we feel they are are perhaps the
>very least qualified.
If nobody is qualified, was difference does the degree to which we are
unqualified make?
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lee s. bumgarner
> ))))[tale says he's resigning]
tale, we hardly knew ya...
> Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
> >In article <3lkvqb$p...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Andrew Toppan <el...@wpi.edu> wrote:
> >>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) shaped the electrons to say:
> >>
> >>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
> >>: vicious flamers on the usenet.
> >
> >difference is that Mr. Sexton will be a moderator which is a very sad
> >and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
> >Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
Why not let ( force) Kibo (to) become the new Usenet Czar?
-l
---"Don't knock on Britian, if it weren't for them, you'd be speaking Spanish."
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lee s. bumgarner
-l
In <3lo7de$a...@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov> da...@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
> nmcn...@acs.bu.edu (N.A.F. McNelly) writes:
> >(David Lawrence) wrote:
> >:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
> >:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
> >Only two words are needed to respond to this: April 1st
>
> Oh damn! I thought, for a moment, sanity had returned to the net.
Peter da Silva
Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
> This proposed 'moderated' group would eliminate and replace
>news.admin.policy which is presently uncensored.
The replacement group for news.admin.policy is the *unmoderated* net-abuse
group, and so far the only change that I'm actually voting for.
I have mixed feelings about *replacing* policy with net-abuse but since all
of the traffic in policy is about net-abuse it's probably a more appropriate
name.
Stephen Boursy
>>and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
>>Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
>
>Presumably, in your view, nobody is suitable for such a task.
>
This proposed 'moderated' group would eliminate and replace
news.admin.policy which is presently uncensored.
But yes--no one is suited to the task of moderating a group on
this subject and I'd suggest that those we feel they are are perhaps the
very least qualified.
Steve
Colin R. Leech
Well, it was still before noon in California, where all the loonies hang
out. :-)
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Michael Shields
> The path may be well done, but the address, name and organization
> are very poorly done.
A real path from tale ends in just `uunet!tale'.
--
Shields.
Helge Nareid
>In article <nmcnelly-010...@ppp-81-14.bu.edu>,
>N.A.F. McNelly <nmcn...@acs.bu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>, ta...@ten.uu.net
>>
>>:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
>>:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
>>
>>Only two words are needed to respond to this: April 1st
>>
>not valid. tale posted his message on "Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:45:22 EST" - is this
>significant?
It is - here in Japan it was already April 2nd at that time, and the
article appeared on my local server with a April 2nd timestamp.
Thus, it cannot have been an April Fool's joke here in Japan -
so the resignation must be valid in the Eastern Asia region.
;-) (if needed)
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Gareth Rees
> The path may be well done, but the address, name and organization
> are very poorly done.
And the Date: was in the wrong format.
--
Gareth Rees
Richard Sexton
Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>In article <3lkvqb$p...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Andrew Toppan <el...@wpi.edu> wrote:
>>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) shaped the electrons to say:
>>
>>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
>>: vicious flamers on the usenet.
>>
>>
>
>
>difference is that Mr. Sexton will be a moderator which is a very sad
>and perverse joke and I will not be (nor would I ever presume to be one).
>Someone of his reputation is completely unsuitable for such a task.
Stop posting or I'll have your plug pulled.
--
http://www.vrx.net/richard
Richard J. Sexton / VRx Network Services, Inc. / ric...@vrx.net
David DeLaney
|Modemac (mod...@netcom.com) wrote:
|>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) wrote:
|>: Gee thats comforting. Mr. Sexton is one of the most hateful and
|>: vicious flamers on the usenet.
|
|Boursy fell for an April Fool's joke? Shucks! You could have knocked
|me over with a sledghammer.
He, um, also notified the FBI, again. He says.
Dave "Thus the compelling need for Uunet to take a sudden lengthy vacation"
DeLaney
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Mike Chapman
David DeLaney <d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu> wrote:
>da...@druid.com (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
>|Boursy fell for an April Fool's joke? Shucks! You could have knocked
>|me over with a sledghammer.
>
>He, um, also notified the FBI, again. He says.
If he's serious, I'd be willing to bet his file at FedThug Central is
thicker than mine.
>Dave "Thus the compelling need for Uunet to take a sudden lengthy vacation"
> DeLaney
Uhm, I don't get it.
--
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Russell Steinthal
Ian Kluft <ikl...@oes.amdahl.com> wrote:
>Congratulations to whoever (probably at either UC Berkeley or Virginia Tech)
>posted this. It looks like you caught a few... hook, line, and sinker.
>And they even posted to admit it!
Actually, I wouldn't say that it was necessarily at one of those two
sites. I'll admit I'm not an expert at detecting forgeries (I didn't
even catch the invalid return address until someone pointed it out,
although I did think it was a suspicious date for a big announcement),
but the following path looks rather contrary to the assumption that
someone at Berkley or VA Tech did it:
Path: intac!uunet!in1.uu.net!ten.uu.net!tale
That's how it got to my site (nile.intac.com).
I'm probably badly misinterpreting something, but I figured I'd add this
to the discussion...
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<ste...@intac.com> http://www.avnet.org/steintr/
<ste...@avnet.org>
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Ian Kluft
> In article <3lof9e$2...@hawk.le.ac.uk> pj...@le.ac.uk (P.J. Humble) writes:
>
>>not valid. tale posted his message on "Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:45:22 EST" - is this
>>significant?
>Well, it was still before noon in California, where all the loonies hang
>out. :-)
Of course... we have a reputation to keep up. }:-)
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Michael Dobson
Peter da Silva <pe...@bonkers.taronga.com> wrote:
>In article <D6Hoy...@world.std.com>,
>Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> This proposed 'moderated' group would eliminate and replace
>>news.admin.policy which is presently uncensored.
>
>group, and so far the only change that I'm actually voting for.
>
means I voted against the announce group as well since if you have the
moderated group you absolutely need the unmoderated group.
>I have mixed feelings about *replacing* policy with net-abuse but since all
>of the traffic in policy is about net-abuse it's probably a more appropriate
>name.
No, only the majority of the traffic and only since spamming became so
popular. There are other news policy issues that have nothing to do with
net abuse and now (since the vote passed) have no legitimate home. As such,
the rmgroup for n.a.p will be ignored here, either that or non abuse policy
issues will be posted to the n-a.misc group and flames about being off
charter will be given the Dave Hayes treatment.
Mike
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Geoff Langdale
|>
|> Rather odd and irresponsible attitude for one counting the votes
|> on this news admin reorganization. You should resign the position.
|>
Steve, you've always struck me as a humorless twit, far beyond the reach
of satire, but you've outdone yourself this time.
I'm inclined to killfile self-righteous bozos like you and Chapman just
for your sheer pompousness, without even bothering to consider content.
--
Geoff Langdale | "I also had a score to settle with
Grad Student | talk.bizarre. I never forgot what
Carnegie Mellon University | they did to me" -Andrew Beckwith
Jim Griffith
>Well, it was still before noon in California, where all the loonies hang
>out. :-)
There are no OOOH LOOK AT ALL THE PRETTY COLORS loonies here in California.
Jim
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Taki Kogoma
<D6GzD...@pica.army.mil> in news.admin.policy:>>>[ "I'm resigning" AFJ.]
>>
>>[Well, you've already read it.]
>
>Hook.
>
>Line.
>
>Sinker.
Rod.
Reel.
Angler's arm up to the shoulder.
>Fishermen 2; Boursy 0
Can't wait for the halftime show.
Gym "Or would that be the 7th Inning Stretch?" Quirk
--
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(Known to some as Taki Kogoma) | demonstrates that it would be
qu...@unm.edu | superior to what I have now."
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George Herbert
ikl...@oes.amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) writes:
>>Well, it was still before noon in California, where all the loonies hang
>>out. :-)
>
I would like to point out that it is PURELY a coincidence that half the UVV
members work within 5 or so miles of each other in the Mountain View/San Jose
area, and that Ron Dippold and Dave Hayes are both in SoCal.
I repeat, it is ONLY a coincidence.
george william herbert | UVV coordinator - for UVV information,
gher...@crl.com KD6WUQ | http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/
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Mike Chapman
>In article <ikluft.7...@amdahl.com>,
>ikl...@oes.amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) writes:
>>>Well, it was still before noon in California, where all the loonies hang
>>>out. :-)
>>
>>Of course... we have a reputation to keep up. }:-)
>
>I would like to point out that it is PURELY a coincidence that half the UVV
>members work within 5 or so miles of each other in the Mountain View/San Jose
>area, and that Ron Dippold and Dave Hayes are both in SoCal.
>
>I repeat, it is ONLY a coincidence.
Well, there is something of a concentration of compugeeks in that
area... :-)
--
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Sic Semper Tyrannis Live Free or Die! Don't tread on me!
phil reed
>>Dave "Thus the compelling need for Uunet to take a sudden lengthy vacation"
>> DeLaney
>
>Uhm, I don't get it.
Steve Boursy usually ends his posts with "...thus proving the compelling
need for consumer protection legislation...", whether or not it makes sense
with the rest of the post.
--
...phil
Peter da Silva
Michael Dobson <dob...@info.usuhs.mil> wrote:
>In article <D6IC8...@bonkers.taronga.com>,
>Peter da Silva <pe...@bonkers.taronga.com> wrote:
>>The replacement group for news.admin.policy is the *unmoderated* net-abuse
>>group, and so far the only change that I'm actually voting for.
>Which is a big mistake IMO and why I voted against the group. That also
>means I voted against the announce group as well since if you have the
>moderated group you absolutely need the unmoderated group.
That's reasonable. I voted for it because otherwise I might have found
myself in a conflict of interest position.
>No, only the majority of the traffic and only since spamming became so
>popular. There are other news policy issues that have nothing to do with
>net abuse and now (since the vote passed) have no legitimate home.
There's still the misc group, and with the net-abuse threads out of there
the volume should be low enough.
D'Arcy J.M. Cain
Geoff Langdale (geo...@CS.CMU.EDU) wrote:
>In article <D6Eu6...@world.std.com>, bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) writes:
[usual nonsense deleted]
>I'm inclined to killfile self-righteous bozos like you and Chapman just
>for your sheer pompousness, without even bothering to consider content.
Can you tell me why you don't? I've got these people in my killfile
yet I see more text from them than from anyone else on the net included
by people responding to them. They must be laughing their heads off
at you people.
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Planix, Inc., Toronto, Canada | and a sheep voting on
+1 416 424 2871 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
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Paul Phillips
>news.admin.policy which is presently uncensored.
Steve, I thought you generally prepended "From what I understand"
to the lies you manufacture.
For anyone that hasn't killfiled the BoursyBot and may be misled,
the (now passed) moderated group does nothing of the kind. The
*unmoderated* group replaces news.admin.policy.
-PSP
--
"I don't follow this. How can one forge a post from oneself? I posted it
right here from my account." -- Joel Furr, news.admin.misc
"I'm sure that will be cleared up upon investigation."
-- Stephen Boursy, news.admin.misc
Lars P. Fischer
>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com>
Stephen> Rather odd and irresponsible attitude for one counting
Stephen> the votes on this news admin reorganization. You should
Stephen> resign the position.
I guess that makes it Fishermen: 4, Boursy: 0.
/Lars
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On the Internet, everybody will get their 15 megabytes of flame
Andrew Toppan
Lars P. Fischer (fis...@dina.kvl.dk) shaped the electrons to say:
: I guess that makes it Fishermen: 4, Boursy: 0.
I think the fishermen should throw him back.
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Brant Katkansky
>Paper shredder applied to followups line.
>
>Lars P. Fischer (fis...@dina.kvl.dk) shaped the electrons to say:
>
>: I guess that makes it Fishermen: 4, Boursy: 0.
>
>I think the fishermen should throw him back.
Before or after we gut him?
:) - for the humor impaired.
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Martin Sohnius
: In article <3lof9e$2...@hawk.le.ac.uk> pj...@le.ac.uk (P.J. Humble) writes:
: >In article <nmcnelly-010...@ppp-81-14.bu.edu>,
: >N.A.F. McNelly <nmcn...@acs.bu.edu> wrote:
: >>In article <tale.23467....@ten.uu.net>, ta...@ten.uu.net
: >>(David Lawrence) wrote:
: >>
: >>:I will be resigning as moderator of the newsgroup
: >>:news.announce.newgroups as of the first of May.
: >>
: >>Only two words are needed to respond to this: April 1st
: >>
: >In Britain, you're supposed to do these things before Midday, otherwise they're
: >not valid. tale posted his message on "Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:45:22 EST" - is this
: >significant?
: No.
Yes! It proves the message originated further west. ;-)