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Beable van Polasm

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Nov 22, 2003, 5:48:27 PM11/22/03
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Matt McIrvin <mmci...@world.std.com> writes:
>
> Macs with OS X come with vi, emacs, and pico already installed under
> /usr/bin, so holy warriors of all persuasions are welcome.
>
> (I use BBEdit, but that's pretty expensive these days, albeit
> frighteningly powerful.

Dear Dr McIrvin,

I have used emacs for a few years now. Tell me, would I be
"frightened" by the "power" of BBEdit?

WAITING TO BE FRIGHTENED!!!

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Beable van Polasm

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Nov 22, 2003, 6:28:31 PM11/22/03
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aswe...@midway.uchicago.edu (Plorkwort) writes:

> The moving finger of Beable van Polasm wrote and then moved on:


> >I have used emacs for a few years now. Tell me, would I be
> >"frightened" by the "power" of BBEdit?
> >
> >WAITING TO BE FRIGHTENED!!!
>

> The night was dark and storms were near,
> And thunder shook the floor.
> The turbid air was filled with fear,
> And editors at war.
>
> With one fell macro, a paragraph filled
> And BBedit roared;
> And in gnus a poster was killed
> In a single keychord.
>
> Throughout the night, the titans clashed
> And only dawn would see
> If BBEdit crashed, by emacs bashed
> Or who would the victor be.

Needs more wacky chimps.

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Jacob W. Haller

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Nov 22, 2003, 7:45:11 PM11/22/03
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Plorkwort <aswe...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

> The night was dark and storms were near,
> And thunder shook the floor.
> The turbid air was filled with fear,
> And editors at war.

<http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/editors.mp3>

-jwgh

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Ben Wolfson

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:15:22 PM11/22/03
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In article <1g4ub7q.13r2ok61akt67tN%yo...@jwgh.org>, Jacob W. Haller wrote:
>Plorkwort <aswe...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>> The night was dark and storms were near,
>> And thunder shook the floor.
>> The turbid air was filled with fear,
>> And editors at war.
>
><http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/editors.mp3>

Needs a brief, plinky guitar solo before the final repetition.

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Beable van Polasm

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:36:29 PM11/22/03
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Matt McIrvin <mmci...@world.std.com> writes:

> In article <een0aom...@dingo.beable.com>,


> Beable van Polasm <beable+...@beable.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I have used emacs for a few years now. Tell me, would I be
> > "frightened" by the "power" of BBEdit?
> >
> > WAITING TO BE FRIGHTENED!!!
>

> You are probably imagining that BBEdit is some toy baby Notepad-type
> editor. Of course you are wrong and I laugh at you.
>
> I use emacs at work and BBEdit at home. For a programmer's editor, I
> prefer emacs out of familiarity. But BBEdit's HTML/CSS support is
> considerably fancier than that of emacs, since that's what Bare Bones
> has been concentrating on for the past few years. BBEdit's regexp
> engine is also better than the one in emacs; it supports more of the
> common extensions.

If BBEdit's HTML/CSS support is better, that just means that YOU made
Richard Stallman cry by not writing better support for Emacs! And of
course you can install the Emacs/Perl module and use Perl regexps. In
fact, surely it's time for somebody to write an entire editor in two
lines of Perl which replicates the best-ever editor interface: Ed.
Except that it uses Perl commands for its editing.

> You can write text-processing plug-ins for BBEdit in Perl, which I like
> because I vastly prefer Perl to Lisp. (Now you're going to tell me that
> you can also write plug-ins for emacs in Perl. Probably you can, since
> in general you can do anything inside of emacs, but I've certainly never
> figured out how.

Well of course you can. I think I tried this one out:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/epl

But then for some reason, I went back to Lisp. Even though it breaks
my brane. Somewhere on the web, a Lisp-lovin'-frootloop wrote that
when other languages add closures and suchlike (as Perl did), then all
they are doing is getting closer to what Lisp could already do thirty
years ago, except that their syntax is broken.

> The internal documentation is a nightmarish maze, into which you are
> tossed when you press the backspace key if you are unlucky.)

I've noticed that many large programs suffer from the same problem,
which is too much information and no easy way to display it all. One
example is Miscroifit's website, on which I have great difficulty
finding anything relevant, even using their own search engine. But
Goolge will often find the appropriate page easily. Why is that? Also
with Emacs, once I get to the Emacs info screen, I choose the "Concept
Index" and work from there.

> Also, if you like Mac-like user interfaces, BBEdit has a Mac-like
> user interface, whereas emacs expects you to use it to give
> everything else in the universe an emacs-like user interface. So
> there's a pure matter of taste involved as well. I know a guy who
> basically does his entire job inside of one emacs window.

Emacs is a good operating system, but I wanted a text editor. Also,
I am still not frightened of BBEdit's power. Or should I say, POW-AH!!

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