DELL stops shipping Linux desktops
thing
privaledge? heaps I bet.
Me, Im ordering 8 small compaqs bare, so I can install Linux as I want not how
some twit thinks I might.
I seem to read they are still shipping Linux on servers which is a bigger market
share.
Thing
Nathan Mercer wrote:
> DELL stops shipping Linux desktops
Gib Bogle
who knows enough to consider using Linux wouldn't buy Dell, because they
know they can get the same capability much cheaper elsewhere.
Spaceman
offering Linux on desktop and notebook PC's I recall it was hailed as the
beginning of the end for M$ (well on /. anyway) but now that they've dropped
Linux it's a non-event. If there's one thing the penguinistas have learned
over the last few years it's the art of PR spin.
Yours in less-than-seriousness, Spaceman
"Gib Bogle" <bo...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Adam Warner
<nat...@mcs.co.nz> wrote:
> DELL stops shipping Linux desktops
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,5095114,00.html
Many Linux users just want to be able to buy a "naked PC" (hopefully at a
reduced price).
My concern is that Dell may be doing this to avoid having to build/test
PCs using Linux-compatible hardware. Expect win-modems, win-printers,
win-onboard video w/shared RAM, win-sound, etc.
Regards,
Adam
Waylon Kenning
"Adam Warner" <use...@consulting.net.nz> was captured. "What say you
savage?" "Adam Warner" <use...@consulting.net.nz>'s reply:
>My concern is that Dell may be doing this to avoid having to build/test
>PCs using Linux-compatible hardware. Expect win-modems, win-printers,
>win-onboard video w/shared RAM, win-sound, etc.
A win-loss situation:)
--
Cheers,
Waylon Kenning.
http://rubun.com - It's *nearly* better than sex.
David Mohring
You have to wonder about Dell's timing, given that the new
stable release of Staroffice 6, Mozilla and Ximian's Evolution
are just a couple of months around the corner.
But, yes this is a set back. As it was with when Microsoft offered
"special" deals to OEMs to drop OS/2 and Netscape from there
desktops offerings. Could history be repeating? Should the US DOJ look
more carefully into this?
>http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,5095114,00.html
Very Strange, the text and the personal quotes you quoted did not
originate from the above link.
Quoteing
http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,5095114,00.html
+Dell knocks Linux off the desktop
+The PC maker will stop shipping preinstalled Red Hat Linux on its desktops
+and notebooks. Dell will continue to offer the OS on workstations and servers.
+John G. Spooner , ZDNet News
+August 2, 2001 12:27 PM ET
+
+Dell Computer has ceased shipping Linux on its desktop and notebook PCs.
+
+Citing slow demand for the operating system on client PCs over the last
+several quarters, a Dell spokesman said the PC maker chose to stop
+preinstalling Red Hat Linux on desktop and notebook models.
+
+The move was not unexpected. Dell executives have suggested that the
+operating system has more potential for workstations and servers. The
+desktop decision was largely a financial one, influenced by the slow PC
+market, said Dell spokesman David Graves.
+
+Dell has not bid goodbye to the operating system altogether. The Texas-based
+PC maker continues to offer workstation and server models with Red Hat
+preinstalled. The company recently began installing the latest version of
+Red Hat, version 7.1. In addition, Dell will likely continue to offer Red
+Hat Linux to larger customers who wish to custom-configure desktop PCs or
+notebooks with the operating system.
+
+Despite an initial splash last year, and efforts by groups such as Gnome to
+build graphical user interfaces to run on top of Linux, it has been
+difficult for the operating system to get a foot in the door of the desktop
+market, said Red Hat spokesperson Melissa London.
+
+"With Linux, the productivity suites just aren't there," London said. As a
^yet.
+result, she added, "you're fighting a pretty big uphill battle" to establish
+the operating system on the desktop.
+
+"Not that we're not trying, but obviously the biggest growth is on the
+server," she said.
+
NOTE
+Other PC makers, such as IBM, continue to offer Linux preloaded on certain
+models such as the ThinkPad notebooks. However, they report that the
+majority of business is on the server side.
+
NOTE also
+Dell says it will keep an eye on demand for Linux on the desktop.
+
+"If things change, and there's an upswing in demand on the client side,
+we're open to going back to it," Graves said. Linux "has been very
+successful on the server side."
+
Which has similar content to what you wrote, but is not quite the same.
What was the source?
[ see end of post for a good guess ....]
>
>
>Dell has quietly stopped offering the Linux operating system as an option on
>its desktop and laptop PCs, saying low demand forced the Linux-advocate to
>pull the software from its online stores.
>
>Dell has championed the open-source operating system through investments in
>companies such as Red Hat and Linux desktop software maker Eazel, which has
>since gone out of business. Founder and CEO Michael Dell gave a speech at
>the LinuxWorld conference last year in San Jose, where he remarked that "the
>only thing growing faster than Linux is Linux on Dell."
>
>While the company has seen strong sales of Linux on workstations and
>servers, it has sold few desktops and laptops this year loaded with Linux,
>Dell spokeswoman Sarah Lavender said. The Austin, Texas vendor dropped Linux
>from its PCs and laptops about six weeks ago but did not announce the move
>publicly, she said.
>
>Linux is still offered as an option to users who try to buy, for example, a
>Dell Dimension desktop at the company's Web site. A link appears saying,
>"Buy a system with Red Hat Linux," but users who click on the link are taken
>to a page that displays an error message. The link has not worked since at
>least June 22. In addition, users who inquire about the operating system at
>Dell's sales support line are told Linux is no longer on option.
>
>"We don't do Linux," said a Dell sales representative contacted Wednesday.
>"That area of the Web site was collecting dust, so we stopped offering it a
>while ago."
>
>Customers who want to buy 50 or more PCs can have them installed with Linux
>if they go through a custom ordering process that is separate from Dell's
>online store and catalogs, Lavender said.
>
>Dell had hoped that more of its server customers buying Linux would also
>purchase desktops running the operating system.
>
>"We anticipated a little more spillover in demand from the people buying
>servers," Lavender said. "Our customers did not seem to want it though; the
>numbers didn't add up."
>
>Linux advocates have long hoped their operating system of choice would gain
>ground on the desktop against Microsoft's Windows OS. This vision, however,
>is beginning to fade with Eazel going out of business earlier this year, and
>now one of the world's largest PC sellers and biggest Linux champions
>scaling back support for the operating system.
>
>
I wonder ...
From the header of your post
+Path: lust.ihug.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz
+!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu
+!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net
+!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.microsoft.com
Hmmm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nathan since when did have you started posting directly from
Microsoft central?
And, more importantly, was your text obtained from a Microsoft press
agent?
David Mohring - an IDC study determined that GNU/Linux captured 4%
of the market in 1999 - MacOS had 5%
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1546430.html
Spaceman
yet another conspiracy.
"David Mohring" <her...@heretic.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Robert
Big corporates like Fletchers, CHH, ASB Bank, ANZ, Akld Uni, Unitec seem to
like Dell. 3 year on-site support, international warranties on laptops, 7 x
24 coverage on vital equipment (e.g. servers), service all over NZ. Places
like Unitec would even consider Microsoft to be a dirty word.
Can't see some of your 'other' cheaper suppliers offering what Dell can
offer.
I agree that other places are cheaper as I didn't buy a Dell but have a
local clone PC. I would not use a clone PC to run as a real server though.
Gib Bogle <bo...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Col
wrote:
>And you have really backed up that statement with some TCO studies!!
>Big corporates like Fletchers, CHH, ASB Bank, ANZ, Akld Uni, Unitec seem to
>like Dell. 3 year on-site support, international warranties on laptops, 7 x
>24 coverage on vital equipment (e.g. servers), service all over NZ. Places
>like Unitec would even consider Microsoft to be a dirty word.
>Can't see some of your 'other' cheaper suppliers offering what Dell can
>offer.
>I agree that other places are cheaper as I didn't buy a Dell but have a
>local clone PC. I would not use a clone PC to run as a real server though.
>
I see to upgrade from 128 meg of sdram to 256 meg of sdram on a new compter from
Dell is between $440 and $700 depending on model chosen.
Kinda pricey..
--
Col
Pakeha made © (and proud of it )
Boss
wrote:
>Very interesting, where I see plain old 'lack of customer demand' David sees
>yet another conspiracy.
>
Yeah more FUD from him
Gib Bogle
applies to that market only. I understand why corporations are willing
to pay a premium for Dell hardware, but they are not interested in Linux
on the desktop.
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1/44 Arthur St Tel: (64-9) 525-6878
Ellerslie, N.Z. Fax: (64-9) 525-6878
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Gib Bogle
days before they changed their name to Dell (I think it was something
like American Business Computers) I persuaded the company I was working
for to buy one (a 386) - it offered the most bang for the buck. Even
more off topic, on the strength of that experience I bought a few shares
in Dell, my luckiest financial move ever (many subsequent missteps have
convinced me that it was no more than luck).
Robert
I just went to the NZ page and looked at pricing of a Dimension 4100.
Standard memory is 128Mb - upgrade to 256Mb is +234 which is a lot less
thaan you said.
Their prices are GST inclusive on the web unlike the local suppliers which
are usually GST exclusive.
Too pricy for me (for home) - I bought a 256Mb dimm of Infineon PC133 SDRam
for $100 (GST incl) from e-one a week ago.
Col <c.fr...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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Cory Grant
will do it themselve, why anyone would buy a dell with Linux installed is
beyond me, nothing wong with a P133 32MB 1GB HDD.
Work's like a treat, now what are the spec's for Win2K ?
"thing" <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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David Mohring
>Brain farts inline....
>
>"David Mohring" <her...@heretic.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:slrn9ml5n4....@heretic.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>> Very Strange, the text and the personal quotes you quoted did not
>> originate from the above link.
>
>Message is the same, DELL don't see the value in offering Linux preinstalled
>on desktops anymore.
Then what is the URL from which you quoted?
>
>Cheers
>Nathan
>[i speak for myself, and have my own brain thanx]
>
Then answer the questions and prove it.
David Mohring - It still does not explain why you were posting from
news.microsoft.com.
David Mohring
>yet another conspiracy.
>
Might it not be better to wait for a proper answer from Nathan, providing
the true URL of the quoted text and the reason for posting direct from
news.microsoft.com, before attempting to write this off as a just another
conspiracy?
<SNIP/>
>>
>> I wonder ...
>> From the header of your post
>> +Path: lust.ihug.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz
>> +!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu
>> +!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net
>> +!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.microsoft.com
>> Hmmm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Nathan since when did have you started posting directly from
>> Microsoft central?
>>
>> And, more importantly, was your text obtained from a Microsoft press
>> agent?
>>
>>
>> David Mohring - an IDC study determined that GNU/Linux captured 4%
>> of the market in 1999 - MacOS had 5%
>> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1546430.html
>
>
David Mohring - Why does anybody bother to sell Macs then?
David Mohring
<nat...@mcs.co.nz> wrote:
>boy oh boy its early on Sunday morning...>news:slrn9mnmc8....@heretic.ihug.co.nz...
>> >Strange? who cares, I had 2 web pages open and pasted the wrong
>quotes/URL.
>> >Message is the same, DELL don't see the value in offering Linux
>preinstalled
>> >on desktops anymore.
>>
>> Then what is the URL from which you quoted?
>
>sites I read regularly to find the correct URL to post here for you.
Couldn't you just check though your browser history to find the article
by the title?
>
>> >Cheers
>> >Nathan
>> >[i speak for myself, and have my own brain thanx]
>>
>> Then answer the questions and prove it.
>
>And because you asked so nicely David, I have.
>
Have you?
>> David Mohring - It still does not explain why you were posting from
>> news.microsoft.com.
>
>I just happened to be using that news server because it was convenient at
>the time.
The content of the message was very convenient for Microsoft as well.
>Just like I have this time.
>
>Nathan
>[i speak for myself]
>
>
David Mohring - "... Time time time is on my side, yes it is ..."
thing
Thing
Adam Warner
1. I would like to know where the article came from as well Nathan. You
have indicated that it didn't come from the URL you posted.
The usual reason for a difference is a different revision of the article.
A while ago this lead to The Register incorrectly claiming that MSNBC had
massaged an article from the WSJ when all they had done was post an
earlier version that was provided to them.
BTW you snipped this question of David's:
"And, more importantly, was your text obtained from a Microsoft press
agent?"
2. Does news.microsoft.com allow posting to nz.comp? Great if it does.
Regards,
Adam
Adam Warner
<nat...@mcs.co.nz> wrote:
> [this boring thread continues]
>
> I don't recall the URL that I quoted that text from. It might have come
> from MSNBC, WSJ, ZDNET, NEWS.COM or any other number of sites. I don't
> have my browser history list any longer as my machine is running a new
> build of WindowsXP and I fresh installed rather than upgrading.
>
> The text wasn't obtained from a Microsoft PR agent, it was quoted from a
> web news site as I already stated.
Thanks for answering that.
> If I had to guess, I think I recall that it came from WSJ
> This thread started because I was trying to kick off some intelligent
> discussion on the viability of Linux on the desktop.
And I ealier made a couple of comments (naked PCs/compatibility of
hardware).
>> 2. Does news.microsoft.com allow posting to nz.comp? Great if it does.
??
Regards,
Adam
Boss
wrote:
>[this boring thread continues]
>
>This thread started because I was trying to kick off some intelligent
>discussion on the viability of Linux on the desktop.
>
>Nath
>
I think IT-guy`s web url pretty much summed Linux up ...
cheers
David Mohring
>[this boring thread continues]
Not to me,
>
>I don't recall the URL that I quoted that text from. It might have come
>from MSNBC, WSJ, ZDNET, NEWS.COM or any other number of sites. I don't have
>my browser history list any longer as my machine is running a new build of
>WindowsXP and I fresh installed rather than upgrading.
>
>The text wasn't obtained from a Microsoft PR agent, it was quoted from a web
>news site as I already stated.
>
>If I had to guess, I think I recall that it came from WSJ
I cannot find it on WSJ news site, and the ZDNET version is the one I posted,
I guess I will have to look around and find your version of the article
and the date it was posted.
>
>This thread started because I was trying to kick off some intelligent
>discussion on the viability of Linux on the desktop.
>
Then why did you completely ignore my starting two paragraphs?
+You have to wonder about Dell's timing, given that the new
+stable release of Staroffice 6, Mozilla and Ximian's Evolution
+are just a couple of months around the corner.
+
+But, yes this is a set back. As it was with when Microsoft offered
+"special" deals to OEMs to drop OS/2 and Netscape from there
+desktops offerings. Could history be repeating? Should the US DOJ look
+more carefully into this?
Also, dispite the slow sales, Dell Computers Australia has no immediate
plans to follow suit.
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2801387,00.html
>Nath
>
>"Adam Warner" <use...@consulting.net.nz> wrote in message
>news:20010805.12090...@consulting.net.nz...
David Mohring - "Exactly!" said Deep Thought. "So once you do know what the
question actually is, you'll know what the answer means."
JC
wrote:
>[this boring thread continues]
>
>I don't recall the URL that I quoted that text from. It might have come
>from MSNBC, WSJ, ZDNET, NEWS.COM or any other number of sites. I don't have
>my browser history list any longer as my machine is running a new build of
>WindowsXP and I fresh installed rather than upgrading.
>
>The text wasn't obtained from a Microsoft PR agent, it was quoted from a web
>news site as I already stated.
>
>If I had to guess, I think I recall that it came from WSJ
>
>This thread started because I was trying to kick off some intelligent
>discussion on the viability of Linux on the desktop.
Intelligent discussion? yeah right. This is from someone so pro
Microsoft that you can't see the wood for the trees.
All you wanted to do was shit stir.