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Kurokaze204

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Jun 5, 2001, 10:36:52 PM6/5/01
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Hi all,

I have seen many players place a stone on the board with their middle and
index fingers. I have been doing this myself and it helps in crowded areas
on the board, but I can't seen to make that satisfyling click sound that
some make.

Any ideas???

Stu F.


The Nose Who Knows

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Jun 5, 2001, 11:59:59 PM6/5/01
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:36:52 +1000, Kurokaze204 wrote:
> I have seen many players place a stone on the board with their middle
> and index fingers. I have been doing this myself and it helps in
> crowded areas on the board, but I can't seen to make that satisfyling
> click sound that some make.

It's a knack, but easy to learn with Bignose's Patent-Free Steps To
Satisfying Go-Stone Clicks. I find the easiest way for someone to get
their fingers to learn it, is to make it happen in reverse:

- Place the stone on the board.

- Place your middle finger on top of the stone, pressing onto the
centre as if you've just played the stone. Your fingertip should be
just slightly within the edge of the stone, and the stone should not
be leaning in any direction.

- Keeping your finger in place, roll the stone forward slightly (away
from you) so that the side of the stone closest to you tips up a
little.

- Insert your index finger under the stone, keeping light pressure on
top with the middle finger. Your index finger should be tucked
under your middle finger at a bit of an angle, and the index
fingernail should be far back on the underside of the stone. This
is the position the stone will be in when it strikes the board.

- Lift the stone up; you should be able to keep hold of the stone
without any pressure from your fingertips, merely by keeping the
index and middle fingers together. If this is not the case, you are
either holding the stone incorrectly or have coated it with
dishwashing liquid.

- Because your index finger is mostly out of the way of the bottom of
the stone, you should be able to bring the stone down onto the board
at the same angle from which you picked it up, and allow it to
strike with a satisfying click.

Tips:

- Try to pick the stones out of the bowl in the same grip. This has
the advantage that you'll only be picking out one stone at a time,
and you won't want to pick it up until you're ready to play -- thus
avoiding two annoying breaches of board ettiquette into the bargain.

- Flat bottomed (Chinese-style) stones will produce two clicks, one as
you strike the board and one as you lay it flat. They also present
a sharper sutriking surface, so will need less force to produce the
same noise.

- I actually find myself instinctively slipping the stone forward off
my index fingernail just before striking, allowing me to draw my
index finger out of the way. This isn't something I remember trying
to do, so I would guess it comes naturally (?).

- Thicker stones are easier to get the right angle to the board, but
be careful because the thicker stones are also harder to grip this
way, and you may end up flipping stones across the room :-)

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Patrick G. Bridges

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Jun 5, 2001, 11:55:05 PM6/5/01
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Practice! :)
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Jun 6, 2001, 12:18:53 AM6/6/01
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From: "Kurokaze204" <s...@remove.zxzame.com>

> I have seen many players place a stone on the board with their
> middle and index fingers. I have been doing this myself and it
> helps in crowded areas on the board, but I can't seen to make
> that satisfyling click sound that some make.


Read _The_Art_of_Placement_ by D.B.Sighkowt. Describes techniques
for blustering an opponent, such as when to slam down the stone with
satisfying aggression, or when to gently insert a stone and then pat
it on top approvingly. If your tournament rules allow it (usually do
not) sometimes placing a stone on the edge and then sliding it across
the board until reaching its destination intersection can be -VERY-
effective. Opponents can be discombobulated when the stone is offset
from dead-center of a point, moved slightly at a direction of territory
accumulation. It is disturbing to an opponent who must adjust enemy
stones: one abhors having to touch them unless they become prisoners.

Additionally, one should practice how to pick-up captured stones,
since skill at this task can fluster unwary opponents. Kyu players
can pick up only one stone, but dan players can pick up two at a time
and pros can pick up three or more in one motion using the fingers of
only one hand. The combination motion, in _ko_, for placing a stone
and picking up the captured stone(s), should be practiced repeatedly
until the player attains a smooth and continuous motion. If one wears
a kimono while playing then the ability to "adjust" stones beneath a
sleeve, or drop stones hidden in a sleeve can also be quite effective.
In certain situations, double-plays may be required, so one may also
practice picking up two stones from one's bowl, hiding one of them,
yet making certain that only one satisfying click will be heard.

Rarely mentioned in the art of Go play are techniques when using a
traditional fan: this can be practiced for opening-and-closing, and
then hitting a closed fan into one's palm impatiently. At times it
may be necessary to assume a studied glare when one's opponent delays
resignation, since through psychological bullying one can influence
the outcome of future games through behavior duing the current game.
Keeping a few extra opponent prisoner stones in reserve prior to the
start of a new game is also an effective means for stretching extra
points from one game to the next.

During the process of scoring a game, while forming "areas of tens"
it is instead critical to watch what one's opponent is doing, since
this is a key opportune moment for opponent cheating. Remember that
"a game of Go" is -NOT- finished merely because you have both decided
to say "pass-pass." :-)


- regards
- jb
.

Kurokaze204

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Jun 6, 2001, 3:02:19 AM6/6/01
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Thanks Guys,

Thats EXACTLY what I was after and actually more than I hoped for.

Well done. I can't wait to get home and practice. I especially like the
one about placing the stone off centre. I know it annoys the heck out of
me, but I never thought of doing it to annoy my opponent :-)

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Bob Myers

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Jun 7, 2001, 2:13:21 PM6/7/01
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I am not aware of much clicking you can get merely by placing a stone on the
board with your middle and index fingers. Are you possibly referring to the
major clicking action you can get from correct use of the existing stone one
intersection closer to you on the go board? This is pretty easy to do.
With the stone to be played resting on top of your index finger (and your
middle finger on top of the stone), rest your index finger approximately on
the middle of the existing stone, then slide the stone forward with your
middle finger off your index finger until its rear edge snaps just against
the front edge of the existing stone. Finish up the move by sliding the
stone forward a bit more until it is centered on the point where you are
playing. Even if you do not snap the stone you are playing against the
existing stone, the leverage you get from the higher position of your index
finger resting on top of the existing stone will give you a better snap onto
the board. Many players I know will also play a a stone a couple of times
if they don't get the snap they want, and that's fine too.

--
Bob Myers

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> Hi all,
>
> I have seen many players place a stone on the board with their middle and
> index fingers. I have been doing this myself and it helps in crowded
areas

> on the board, but I can't seen to make that satisfying click sound that

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