I thought this group.......
Brian1...@world.net
First time reader and was I sure surprised.
Every thread loaded was off topic.
All groups should be moderated and these kind of thing would not happen.
Richard J
You need to go to other than alt. domain. if you want a moderated news
group.
Right now, there are no executions pending and like most unmoderated
groups the topic is the highly controversial Iraq war. After a while
the attention will fade from the war, and some state will executed a
murderer who killed when he was seventeen, and the arguments will
resume. Why not start a thread yourself and see who responds.
First of all, are you retentionist or abolitionist? Next, tell us why
you have your point of view and watch the fun begin. Most of the
regulars here have argued with each other so much, we pretty much know
what each has to say, but fresh meat is always welcomed.
Teflon
A Planet Visitor
Don't be absurd... NOBODY CARES about the execution of 845 of the
most disgusting members of our species, in more than 25 years! Good riddance
to bad rubbish is the general feeling. I mean - what did THEY ever do for
our species except murder among us? More people die of nostril infections
every day... but we decided not to rename the group alt.activism.nostril-infections,
because dirtbag would have been 'outted.'
PV
___|___
|
^
PV
Clown
Once I used broadly to discuss the US-death penalty (DP) right here,
since I believed that the United States Of America (...the Greatest
Country in the face of the Universe, besides...) as the de-facto mankind-
leading nation had a special responsibility in terms of jurisprudence,
and since I thought that there were common basic values of the US and
Europe. This conditions made me guess a discussion worth to do; while I
guessed the difference in core-values regarding other death-penalty-
nations too large to find a common denominator to discuss ANY issue at
all.
Both the fundaments of the discussion have been disproved.
It became abundantly clear that the pro-DP-movement, which is pretty
congruent to what is called Neo-Conservatism, does consider punishing any
wrongdoer of greater an importance and priority than to protect the
innocent. They are that ready to accept any irreparable "collateral
damage" on their course that I can not see a significant difference to
totalitarian an ideology anymore. This means in terms of the DP that an
execution of an individual considered most "evil" by Joe Public does kind
of compensate the execution of another one, who was convicted, sentenced
to death and executed despite obvious and strong mitigating
circumstances, or even executed despite reasonable doubts in the actual
guilt.
Furthermore it is a property of any war that it makes any non-war-
topic/issue fade. I think that Bush will be at war as long as he is
President, exactly for this property. Bush had yet to prove that he would
be capable of any idea beyond "punish the guilty" - I do have grave
doubts in this.
Regards
C.
JIGSAW1695
Regards
C.
===============================
First of all Brian, let me address the Clown issue (AKA:Jurgen). He is biased,
anti-American and somehwat hard-headed.
He has made several statements that display a profound failure to understand
American culture and law
If you follow the American Jurisprudence system, you see that it tends to favor
the guilty when judging them. Americans tend to beleive that there should be an
appropriate punishment for the guilty person regarding the crime he or she has
committed.
As for moderation of the News Group...well..this is a free wheeling, go
anywhere, do anything group of partcipants. We have pro DP and anti-DP. We have
pro-American and anti-American participants. It is spirited and somewhat
unruly. Everyone is free to speak his or her mind and everyone is free to
answer back in the manner that suites them best. If you stay, prepare to be
insulted, praised, condemend or recognized.
If you have a thin skin and cannot take the feedback, this is not the place for
you.
Feel free to comment and get into the swing of things.
Jigsaw
PS: This NG runs in cycles, sometimes when we actually get on topic the
blood-letting starts. It last a few days or a few weeks. Then it quiets down,
insults are partially forgiven, and stupidity is winked at. We take a break for
a few weeks, get off topic then get back to the business at hand. Proceed at
your own risk on this NG.
Clown
jigsa...@aol.com says...<......>
> Furthermore it is a property of any war that it makes any non-war-
> topic/issue fade. I think that Bush will be at war as long as he is
> President, exactly for this property. Bush had yet to prove that he would
> be capable of any idea beyond "punish the guilty" - I do have grave
> doubts in this.
>
> Regards
>
> C.
>
> ===============================
>
> First of all Brian, let me address the Clown issue (AKA:Jurgen). He is biased,
> anti-American and somehwat hard-headed.
> He has made several statements that display a profound failure to understand
> American culture and law
>
.....
Oh well, I do understand - anybody can most easily understand what the
purposes of the US-DP are, by simply observing your judgements.
Furthermore anybody can see where your Neo-Conservatism leads to. There
are unmisunderstandable signs pointing out where the US contemporarily
stand, and any halfwit can figure out your future.
C.
Just passing by
> It became abundantly clear that the pro-DP-movement, which is pretty
> congruent to what is called Neo-Conservatism, does consider punishing any
> wrongdoer of greater an importance and priority than to protect the
> innocent. They are that ready to accept any irreparable "collateral
> damage" on their course that I can not see a significant difference to
> totalitarian an ideology anymore.
A good point well made. I am sure there are many retentionists who
would lament the abolition of their cherished death penalty far more
for the loss of its entertainment and fascination value than for any
contribution they imagine it makes to either deterrence or ridding the
world of murderers. One has to admire Vlad Drac's honesty and
openness; he represents a mirror into which many other retentionists
dare not look.
Brian...@world.net
Richard J wrote:
> You need to go to other than alt. domain. if you want a moderated news
> group.
>
> Right now, there are no executions pending and like most unmoderated
> groups the topic is the highly controversial Iraq war. After a while
> the attention will fade from the war, and some state will executed a
> murderer who killed when he was seventeen, and the arguments will
> resume. Why not start a thread yourself and see who responds.
>
> First of all, are you retentionist or abolitionist? Next, tell us why
> you have your point of view and watch the fun begin. Most of the
> regulars here have argued with each other so much, we pretty much know
> what each has to say, but fresh meat is always welcomed.
>
> Teflon
A decent logical discussion would be nice. But, I have heard some people in
this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
As for the subject of this group: I support the "DP" for all killers. In my
opinion, when a person kills another they have proved that they don't care
about human life in and form. That reminds me that they are acting like wild
animals, once they get the taste of blood they want more and more. Once that
killer is executed, they are no longer a threat to the world and will kill no
more.
The state where I reside has the "DP" on the books but hasn't used it in many
years. Yet our death row is loaded with inmates waiting to be executed. I
have no idea why.
Richard, is that enough to let you know a little bit about my thoughts? No
need to answer, it's "YES".
John Rennie
<Brian...@world.net> wrote in message news:3E986A56...@world.net...
>
>
> Richard J wrote:
>
> > You need to go to other than alt. domain. if you want a moderated news
> > group.
> >
> > Right now, there are no executions pending and like most unmoderated
> > groups the topic is the highly controversial Iraq war. After a while
> > the attention will fade from the war, and some state will executed a
> > murderer who killed when he was seventeen, and the arguments will
> > resume. Why not start a thread yourself and see who responds.
> >
> > First of all, are you retentionist or abolitionist? Next, tell us why
> > you have your point of view and watch the fun begin. Most of the
> > regulars here have argued with each other so much, we pretty much know
> > what each has to say, but fresh meat is always welcomed.
> >
> > Teflon
>
> A decent logical discussion would be nice. But, I have heard some people
in
> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
Why on earth do you think we stay here?
dirtdog
What a bizarre post.
Dirty, is that you?
w00f
Richard J
Quite. I too am a retentionist. Undoubtedly, there will be some of our
resident abolitionist who will tell you how wrong you are and why. Have
fun!
Teflon
Spike
>Clown <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<MPG.1902296c8...@news.t-online.de>...
>
> It became abundantly clear that the pro-DP-movement, which is pretty
> congruent to what is called Neo-Conservatism, does consider punishing any
> wrongdoer of greater an importance and priority than to protect the
> innocent.
of course they do. if not then their porn channels would go out of
business
>They are that ready to accept any irreparable "collateral
> damage" on their course that I can not see a significant difference to
> totalitarian an ideology anymore
you mean they did once?.
-
execution is legalised murder
-
Spike
Spike
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
Clown
>
> >
> A decent logical discussion would be nice. But, I have heard some people in
> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
>
> As for the subject of this group: I support the "DP" for all killers. In my
> opinion, when a person kills another they have proved that they don't care
> about human life in and form.
Well, aside from the plain act of killing a human being there is required
quite more to speak of 'murder'. A murderer is either who killed
intentionally or who showed alongside with any criminal act most
fundamental an indifference in respect to life and limb of other people
so that it comes close to an intention to kill.
By this constitutive requirements quite subjective parameters come into
play, since the degree of the wrongdoer's understanding of his act's
gravity, or other said, the degree of culpability, marks the dimensions
of the malice underlying to the criminal act.
Thus "I support the "DP" for all killers" should be specified. Would you
like to do at trial respect to any circumstances of a homicidal crime?
> That reminds me that they are acting like wild
> animals, once they get the taste of blood they want more and more.
People who are familiar with death-row-inmates are not supporting this
characterization. The most overwhelming number of the DR-population does
simply not fit in the monstrous picture painted by you.
> Once that
> killer is executed, they are no longer a threat to the world and will kill no
> more.
>
Would you support the execution of any guy who is on the one hand a
permanent danger to his environment, but who on the other hand has
absolutely no idea about right or wrong?
<....>
C.
Richard J
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to America, John! LOL!!!!!!
Teflon
Brian1...@world.net
Clown wrote:
> Well, aside from the plain act of killing a human being there is required
> quite more to speak of 'murder'. A murderer is either who killed
> intentionally or who showed alongside with any criminal act most
> fundamental an indifference in respect to life and limb of other people
> so that it comes close to an intention to kill.
> By this constitutive requirements quite subjective parameters come into
> play, since the degree of the wrongdoer's understanding of his act's
> gravity, or other said, the degree of culpability, marks the dimensions
> of the malice underlying to the criminal act.
> Thus "I support the "DP" for all killers" should be specified. Would you
> like to do at trial respect to any circumstances of a homicidal crime?
>
>
> > That reminds me that they are acting like wild
> > animals, once they get the taste of blood they want more and more.
>
> People who are familiar with death-row-inmates are not supporting this
> characterization. The most overwhelming number of the DR-population does
> simply not fit in the monstrous picture painted by you.
> > Once that killer is executed, they are no longer a threat to the world and
> will kill no more.>
> Would you support the execution of any guy who is on the one hand a
> permanent danger to his environment, but who on the other hand has
> absolutely no idea about right or wrong?
Instead of digging through the paragraphs I chose to put in all together for you.
Unless you have worked on "DR" they are not qualified to speak of what goes on
there.
I recently retired (unit Commander, Lt.) from a state penal system and have worked
on "DR" for several years.
Short answer, Yes. Being a danger in his environment, no question about it? His
environment is a prison setting and he is able to kill his fellow inmates or most
important the staff. Those other inmates are humans also, just like the staff.
Not all prison inmates are rude crude or killers. I know of killers in prison that
have killed other inmates and staff on several occasions and are still breathing.
"Damn" We went by the law and spared their lives figuring the state would follow
the order for execution of the court serious, that has not happened and numerous
years have now passed. A taste of blood, I could give you names and numbers but I
would be violating my (former) security oath. Unless you worked in that environment
you wouldn't understand.
JIGSAW1695
From: Clown K.J.H...@t-online.de
Date: 4/13/2003 8:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <MPG.190371b53...@news.t-online.de>
C.
===============================
I support the execution of someone who has had a trial, been found guilty and
sentenced to the death penalty.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 4/13/2003 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3E996B3F...@world.net>
Clown wrote:
===============================
That is Clowns (AKA Jurgen) problem. He sees things as he wants them to be, not
as they really are.
I doubt if he has ever knowingly met a murderer in his life.
I think that he should meet someone who actually enjoys killing or sees
nothing wrong with it. When he does, he will see the need for the DP.
Clown is the type of guy who will defended a murderer by saying "well, at least
he didnt rape her", or "I'm sure he loved his mother", or "he loved animals
when he was a child, but they all kept dying on him".
Jurgen (AKA: Clown) has probably led a very sheltered life.
I wonder Jurgen, if you discoved a dead three year old who had been raped,
strangled and multiated, would you feel any anger at all towards the killer?
What would you say to the parents?
Jigsaw
FitzHerbert
> >> > You need to go to other than alt. domain. if you want a moderated news
> >> > group.
> >> >
> >> > Right now, there are no executions pending and like most unmoderated
> >> > groups the topic is the highly controversial Iraq war. After a while
> >> > the attention will fade from the war, and some state will executed a
> >> > murderer who killed when he was seventeen, and the arguments will
> >> > resume. Why not start a thread yourself and see who responds.
> >> >
> >> > First of all, are you retentionist or abolitionist? Next, tell us why
> >> > you have your point of view and watch the fun begin. Most of the
> >> > regulars here have argued with each other so much, we pretty much know
> >> > what each has to say, but fresh meat is always welcomed.
> >> >
> >> > Teflon
> >>
> >> A decent logical discussion would be nice. But, I have heard some people
> in
> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
> >
> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
> >
>
> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
I don`t think Mister Rennie is a "scumbag yank", Spikey.
You might be thinking of Richard Jackson: he`s a "scumbag yank".
Hope this helps, Nev.
Clown
In my country all the same style of offenders are held behind the bars
without DP, and our prisons are producing for at least an order of
magnitude lower a level of violence as perceived in US-prisons. Any
reasoning for this discrepancy?
> "Damn" We went by the law and spared their lives figuring the state would follow
> the order for execution of the court serious, that has not happened and numerous
> years have now passed. A taste of blood, I could give you names and numbers but I
> would be violating my (former) security oath. Unless you worked in that environment
> you wouldn't understand.
>
Again, would you think that highly repressive conditions in prison can
support or even breed violent behavior?
C.
<Unfortunately I found no answer to the question whether you would tend
to consider any circumstances of any homicidal crime in view of a
correlated sentencing. I deem this question rather important, since a
simple "I am for the DP for all killers" would a priori mean an agreement
with mass-executions in the face of way more than 10,000 murders p.a. in
the US>
Clown
jigsa...@aol.com says...
> Subject: Re: I thought this group.......
> From: Brian1...@world.net
> Date: 4/13/2003 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Message-id: <3E996B3F...@world.net>
> ......
>
> I wonder Jurgen, if you discoved a dead three year old who had been raped,
> strangled and multiated, would you feel any anger at all towards the killer?
I am by and large not immune to vengeant thoughts and ideas, if you mean
that. But I don't happen to think that this vengeant thoughts should be
the fundament of any legal system's findings and sentencings. I think I
provided fairly a clear reasoning for this.
> What would you say to the parents?
>
I would say to the parents exactly what you are saying to them in any
murder-case which does not end up in a death-sentence - that is in 98% of
murder-cases.
C.
John Rennie
"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E996884...@hotmail.com...
Actually I was quite flattered.
dirtdog
<wibble snipped>
Brian, does the 'Eng' in your handle mean 'Engineer'? Are you an
Engineer? If so, do you work with Billypissflap?
I look forward to hearing from you.
w00f
dirtdog
wrote:
<snipped>
>In my country all the same style of offenders are held behind the bars
>without DP, and our prisons are producing for at least an order of
>magnitude lower a level of violence as perceived in US-prisons. Any
>reasoning for this discrepancy?
Yes, Jurgen. It is because Americans [sic] are, by their nature,
violent, self-centred and lack consideration to their fellow man,
whereas we Europeans are cultered, reserved and better able to control
our base instincts.
w00f
Richard J
Well, you COULD apply for a green card. I'd sponsor you and in a few
years, you could apply for citizenship.
Teflon
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> was about the death penalty.
>
> First time reader and was I sure surprised.
>
> Every thread loaded was off topic.
>
> All groups should be moderated and these kind of thing would not happen.
Has your head _always_ been shoved up your ample arse, "Brian"?
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<dirtdog...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:34:46 -0400, Brian...@world.net wrote:
>
> <wibble snipped>
>
> Brian, does the 'Eng' in your handle mean 'Engineer'? Are you an
> Engineer? If so, do you work with Billypissflap?
The only things that "work with" billycunt are his index fingers as he
jabs them up his Bourneville Boulevard.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:22:33 +0100, "John Rennie"
> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
> >
> ><Brian...@world.net> wrote in message
> >news:3E986A56...@world.net...
> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
> >
> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
John is a Brit, as can bee seen from the obvous fact that he posts from
the same ISP as you do.
*sigh*
David McDonald
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <cbhj9vsvpjh2d4l8l...@4ax.com>, dirtdog
><dirtdog...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:34:46 -0400, Brian...@world.net wrote:
>>
>> <wibble snipped>
>>
>> Brian, does the 'Eng' in your handle mean 'Engineer'? Are you an
>> Engineer? If so, do you work with Billypissflap?
>
>The only things that "work with" billycunt are his index fingers as he
>jabs them up his Bourneville Boulevard.
Herbie, in reference to your constant homosexual references, is there
something you would like to tell us?
NLD
>Mr Q. Z. D.
William Robert
>In article <cbhj9vsvpjh2d4l8l...@4ax.com>, dirtdog
><dirtdog...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:34:46 -0400, Brian...@world.net wrote:
>>
>> <wibble snipped>
>>
>> Brian, does the 'Eng' in your handle mean 'Engineer'? Are you an
>> Engineer? If so, do you work with Billypissflap?
>
>The only things that "work with" billycunt are his index fingers as he
>jabs them up his Bourneville Boulevard.
Herbie, your postings have become so overtly gay. They are surely the window to
your soul.
Do you dream about servicing all American penises or just mine?.
William Robert
>
>Mr Q. Z. D.
-----------
God bless America!
-----------
The BOFH
Richie, given the semi-literate sentence that you've typed (above), is
there something you ought to be doing? Attending that too-long-postponed
adult literacy class, perhaps?
Little Richie! What a sad joke! ROTFLMAO!!!
William Robert
Herbie, was your attention span always so limited? Compound sentences seem to
confuse you.
William Robert
The BOFH
> "Mr Herbie" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>
> Herbie, your postings have become so overtly gay. They are surely the window to
> your soul.
Is English your first language, billywank?
> Do you dream about servicing all American penises or just mine?.
Elementary punctuation hasn't been covered in your remedial English
course, then? Perhaps you can crib from Richie's notes when he finally
attends _his_ adult literacy classes. ROTFLM-fucking-AO!!!
As for your overt homophobia, it can only be expected from trailer-park
dwellers, I suppose. :(
William Robert
>On 14 Apr 2003, billycunt whimpered:
>
>> "Mr Herbie" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>>
>> Herbie, your postings have become so overtly gay. They are surely the window
to
>> your soul.
>
>Is English your first language, billywank?
No, I was born in France.
>
>> Do you dream about servicing all American penises or just mine?.
>
>Elementary punctuation hasn't been covered in your remedial English
>course, then? Perhaps you can crib from Richie's notes when he finally
>attends _his_ adult literacy classes. ROTFLM-fucking-AO!!!
Herbie, you didn't answer my qustion.
>
>As for my overt homophobia, it can only be expected from trailer-park
>dwellers, I suppose. :(
I'm so sorry for you. Work hard, get an education and maybe, just maybe your
life will improve.
Spike
(FitzHerbert) blurted:
you mean mr Rennie is from somewhere other than yanksville? that
explains it
>
>
>Hope this helps, Nev.
Spike
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> blurted:
>In article <lnbi9vohh7frbin64...@4ax.com>, Spike
><sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:22:33 +0100, "John Rennie"
>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
>> >
>> ><Brian...@world.net> wrote in message
>> >news:3E986A56...@world.net...
>
>> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
>> >
>> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
>
>> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
>
>John is a Brit,
is he? that explains a thing or two
> as can bee seen from the obvous fact that he posts from
>the same ISP as you do
drop the jargon Mr Q. i can barely turn one of these fucking things on
let alone do magicy stuff like decipher a poster's ISP.
>
>*sigh*
do you have a point to make Q?
>
>Mr Q. Z. D.
Spike
>William Robert
>>
>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>
>-----------
>God bless America!
because no one else will.
>-----------
JIGSAW1695
Date: 4/14/2003 7:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <b46l9vo62pr7163rq...@4ax.com>
<snip>
>William Robert
>>
>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>
>-----------
>God bless America!
because no one else will.
Spike
===============================
Only God counts Spike. Certainly not the Europeans.
Yours in Secular Harmony,
Jigsaw
A Planet Visitor
>In article <lnbi9vohh7frbin64...@4ax.com>, Spike
><sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:22:33 +0100, "John Rennie"
>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
>> >
>> ><Brian...@world.net> wrote in message
>> >news:3E986A56...@world.net...
>
>> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
>> >
>> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
>
>> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
>
>John is a Brit, as can bee seen from the obvous fact that he posts from
>the same ISP as you do.
>
>*sigh*
>
I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
PV
dirtdog
wrote:
<snip>
>I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
>example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
Why should you do that?
I shall tell you why. It is because you are deeply insecure about the
indisputable _fact_ that we Light Dwellers are generally far better
educated and above all, _brighter_ than the average fuckwit, mouth
breathing, cock wanking Death Worshipper.
w00f
Richard J
Good one Doggie!! I stand in awe!
Teflon
A Planet Visitor
Unfortunately it seems not to provide an education. LOL. Thank God
for you and spike and ol' Racist Nev, all who provide vivid counter-examples
to your claim.
PV
>w00f
>
>
dirtdog
wrote:
<of cultured and progressive Europe>
>Unfortunately it seems not to provide an education. LOL.
Laughing at your own jokes again, FW?
Well, I suppose someone has to...
w00f
Spike
you deleded yank (no suprise there)
it is real people that count. not a fantasy figure
>
>Yours in Secular Harmony,
yours in snot stains
>
>Jigsaw
Spike
blurted:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:21:25 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>
>>In article <lnbi9vohh7frbin64...@4ax.com>, Spike
>><sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:22:33 +0100, "John Rennie"
>>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
>>> >
>>> ><Brian...@world.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:3E986A56...@world.net...
>>
>>> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
>>> >
>>> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
>>
>>> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
>>
>>John is a Brit, as can bee seen from the obvous fact that he posts from
>>the same ISP as you do.
>>
>>*sigh*
>>
>I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
>example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
really. i can fuck you up amytime. you still haven't replied to my
posts because you are a scummy yellow yank
>
>PV
>
>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>--
>>Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
>>"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
>> Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
-
Spike
<dirtdogU...@fruffrant.com> blurted:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:37:38 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
><of cultured and progressive Europe>
>
>>Unfortunately it seems not to provide an education. LOL.
>
>Laughing at your own jokes again, FW?
nah he is laughing at himself. he is the joke
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
news:b6ff9v8ecjsr4grmm...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:10:24 -0400, Brian1...@world.net wrote:
>
> >was about the death penalty.
> >
> >First time reader and was I sure surprised.
> >
> >Every thread loaded was off topic.
> >
> >All groups should be moderated and these kind of thing would not happen.
>
> most disgusting members of our species, in more than 25 years! Good
riddance
> to bad rubbish is the general feeling. I mean - what did THEY ever do for
> our species except murder among us? More people die of nostril infections
> every day... but we decided not to rename the group
alt.activism.nostril-infections,
> because dirtbag would have been 'outted.'
PV, as I have told you on coutless occasions:
NOBODY DESERVES TO DIE OF NOSTRIL INFECTIONS.
You have never been clear on this point, although you
occasionally try to claim that you said it first. As long as you
keep coming out with this crap we will all know where you stand.
dirtdog
<no...@m.please> wrote:
>PV, as I have told you on coutless occasions:
>NOBODY DESERVES TO DIE OF NOSTRIL INFECTIONS.
>You have never been clear on this point, although you
>occasionally try to claim that you said it first. As long as you
>keep coming out with this crap we will all know where you stand.
Don't tell me, Beardy. He's not been lying again, has he?
w00f
A Planet Visitor
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:30:46 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>blurted:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:21:25 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
>><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <lnbi9vohh7frbin64...@4ax.com>, Spike
>>><sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:22:33 +0100, "John Rennie"
>>>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
>>>> >
>>>> ><Brian...@world.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:3E986A56...@world.net...
>>>
>>>> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
>>>> >
>>>> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
>>>
>>>> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
>>>
>>>John is a Brit, as can bee seen from the obvous fact that he posts from
>>>the same ISP as you do.
>>>
>>>*sigh*
>>>
>>I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
>>example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
>
>really. i can fuck you up amytime. you still haven't replied to my
>posts because you are a scummy yellow yank
>
It's always nice when someone proves the very point I have made, spike.
Thank you.
PV
A Planet Visitor
Covering up your mistakes, Louise? Perhaps a bit ashamed? How about that
'green-grocer' you posted today? How about the other one? --- "Sorry kid, if you
think I'm reading any more of that wank you're head really is up your arse."
ROTFLMAO. You simply manage to PROVE my point. Over and over.
Back to checking for empty toilet roll dispensers, my _articled clerk_.
PV
>w00f
Spike
blurted:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:15:25 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:30:46 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>blurted:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:21:25 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
>>><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <lnbi9vohh7frbin64...@4ax.com>, Spike
>>>><sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:22:33 +0100, "John Rennie"
>>>>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
>>>>> >
>>>>> ><Brian...@world.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >news:3E986A56...@world.net...
>>>>
>>>>> >> this group tend to be quite filthy and rude.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why on earth do you think we stay here?
>>>>
>>>>> LOL. John i know you are a scumbag yank but that was funny
>>>>
>>>>John is a Brit, as can bee seen from the obvous fact that he posts from
>>>>the same ISP as you do.
>>>>
>>>>*sigh*
>>>>
>>>I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
>>>example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
>>
>>really. i can fuck you up amytime. you still haven't replied to my
>>posts because you are a scummy yellow yank
>>
>It's always nice when someone proves the very point I have made, spike.
>Thank you.
PV. I thought you stopped talking to me. I think you should know that
to prove something you have to actually prove it.
Peter Morris
"dirtdog" <dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
news:15mm9vsju2jf5v4uj...@4ax.com...
What makes you think I have a beard?
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:b6ff9v8ecjsr4grmm...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:10:24 -0400, Brian1...@world.net wrote:
>>
>> >was about the death penalty.
>> >
>> >First time reader and was I sure surprised.
>> >
>> >Every thread loaded was off topic.
>> >
>> >All groups should be moderated and these kind of thing would not happen.
>>
>> Don't be absurd... NOBODY CARES about the execution of 845 of the
>> most disgusting members of our species, in more than 25 years! Good
>riddance
>> to bad rubbish is the general feeling. I mean - what did THEY ever do for
>> our species except murder among us? More people die of nostril infections
>> every day... but we decided not to rename the group
>> alt.activism.nostril-infections,
>> because dirtbag would have been 'outted.'
>
>PV, as I have told you on coutless occasions:
>NOBODY DESERVES TO DIE OF NOSTRIL INFECTIONS.
Quite right... but some murderers most certainly deserve to be executed.
Since NO ONE DESERVES TO BE MURDERED.
>You have never been clear on this point, although you
>occasionally try to claim that you said it first. As long as you
>keep coming out with this crap we will all know where you stand.
>
I've always been clear on this point, peter. You've been clear as well. You
believe that criminals in prison DO DESERVE to be murdered, if a greater
number of those who commit those murders can be saved from execution.
Your words --
"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
PV
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:30:46 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
>>example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
>
>Why should you do that?
>
Because I feel like doing so, Louise. Just as I am thankful for providence
having provided your persona here.
>I shall tell you why. It is because you are deeply insecure about the
>indisputable _fact_ that we Light Dwellers are generally far better
>educated and above all, _brighter_ than the average fuckwit, mouth
>breathing, cock wanking Death Worshipper.
>
ROTFLMAO. Rather proving my point again. I do not have _Mother
issues_, sport. You do.
PV
>w00f
A Planet Visitor
ROTFLMAO. No, actually... you tried to ORDER me to stop talking to
you. Because you FEAR me. And you are proving my point for me
quite nicely, needing no further help from me. You cannot REALLY
think that your comments are literate and articulate, spike. You're an
intellectual fruitcake. Every rational poster here recognizes that... you
have only found support from OTHER proven intellectual fruitcakes,
such as Louise and ol' Racist Nev. Clearly, see --
url:http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
PV
>>
>>PV
>>
>>>>
>>>>PV
>>>>
>>>>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
>>>>>"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
>>>>> Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
>>>
>>>-
>>>spike says -- murderers are no different from the homeless.
>>>-
>>>Spike
>
>-
>spike says -- the homeless are no different from murderers.
>-
>Spike
John Rennie
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message
news:b7i8j0$4rq$1...@titan.btinternet.com...
Come on, Pete. It's a well known fact established by
Mr D and doggie.
>
>
>
Spike
blurted:
mo i don't try. I succeeded
>Because you FEAR me.
nah. Im scottish. we don't fear anyone. particularly not yanks
>And you are proving my point for me
>quite nicely,
because your a thick twat PV who got it wrong again. It Can only be
expected from a low life like you
>needing no further help from me.
there is no helping you pv. they should strap you to that gurney and
put you out of your misery.. ooh they probably. just go and commit a
parking offense or something
>You cannot REALLY
>think that your comments are literate and articulate, spike.
I don't give a shit what they are to you PV
>You're an
>intellectual fruitcake.
whatever that is
>Every rational poster here recognizes that... you
>have only found support from OTHER proven intellectual fruitcakes,
I don't give a shit about support. I don't need it. My hatred is
enough to power me
>such as Louise and ol' Racist Nev. Clearly, see --
>url:http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
bin there. back atcha yank
>
>PV
>
>>>
>>>PV
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>PV
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
>>>>>>"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
>>>>>> Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>spike says -- murderers are no different from the homeless.
>>>>-
>>>>Spike
>>
>>-
>>spike says -- the homeless are no different from murderers.
>
>>-
>>Spike
-
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message
> news:b7i8j0$4rq$1...@titan.btinternet.com...
> > What makes you think I have a beard?
>
> Come on, Pete. It's a well known fact established by
> Mr D and doggie.
Tsk, John! That's a non-standard response and you must be punished.
The correct response is, of course (all together now),
"You sound beardy."
dirtdog
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <4U7na.317$xQ4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "John
>Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message
>> news:b7i8j0$4rq$1...@titan.btinternet.com...
>
>> > What makes you think I have a beard?
>>
>> Come on, Pete. It's a well known fact established by
>> Mr D and doggie.
>
>Tsk, John! That's a non-standard response and you must be punished.
>
>The correct response is, of course (all together now),
>
>"You sound beardy."
Beat me to it.
Cunt
w00f
dirtdog
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <4U7na.317$xQ4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "John
>Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message
>> news:b7i8j0$4rq$1...@titan.btinternet.com...
>
>> > What makes you think I have a beard?
>>
>> Come on, Pete. It's a well known fact established by
>> Mr D and doggie.
>
>Tsk, John! That's a non-standard response and you must be punished.
>
>The correct response is, of course (all together now),
>
>"You sound beardy."
And following which the routine goes on...
'What does beardy sound like?' asks Beady (taking rare time out from
calling FW a liar).
Now, John, you Pompey loving Southern cunt, what is the correct
response to this?
w00f
John Rennie
"dirtdog" <dirtdogU...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
news:epnr9v8uul9c29pup...@4ax.com...
Sounds like you, Beardy.
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
so, you would save a few lives by killing several hundred people?
Thats killing SEVERAL HUNDRED people?
That makes sense to YOU?
A Planet Visitor
LOL... Yet here we are.
>>Because you FEAR me.
>
>nah. Im scottish. we don't fear anyone. particularly not yanks
>
Your heritage has NOTHING to do with fear or no fear. You, as
an individual poster here, said "shut the fuck up" to me. If that doesn't
demonstrate FEAR... the inability to provide a rational dialog, then
nothing else does in Usenet. What you cannot handle, you fear.
>>And you are proving my point for me
>>quite nicely,
>
>because your a thick twat PV who got it wrong again. It Can only be
>expected from a low life like you
>
LOL. your (sic) just proving my point, spike.
>>needing no further help from me.
>
>there is no helping you pv. they should strap you to that gurney and
>put you out of your misery.. ooh they probably. just go and commit a
>parking offense or something
>
Ah, yes... the _rational_ abolitionist. One who opposes the execution of
MURDERERS, but argues that those who hold an opinion other than he
does SHOULD be executed. I think you should realize how very sick
such a concept is, my friend. It is the method of dictators wishing to silence
the voice of any opposition.
>>You cannot REALLY
>>think that your comments are literate and articulate, spike.
>
>
>I don't give a shit what they are to you PV
>
Of course you do, spike. Otherwise you would not be commenting. But
I welcome your unintelligent and inarticulate postings, demonstrating that
stupidity is certainly alive and well in some corner of abolition.
>
>>You're an
>>intellectual fruitcake.
>
>whatever that is
>
Others know, spike. That's all that matters.
>>Every rational poster here recognizes that... you
>>have only found support from OTHER proven intellectual fruitcakes,
>
>I don't give a shit about support. I don't need it. My hatred is
>enough to power me
>
You mean YOUR LOVE, spike. Your love for murderers.
>>such as Louise and ol' Racist Nev. Clearly, see --
>>url:http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
>
>bin there. back atcha yank
>
Heh....heh...heh...
PV
Spike
blurted:
yes we are
>
>>>Because you FEAR me.
>>
>>nah. Im scottish. we don't fear anyone. particularly not yanks
>>
>Your heritage has NOTHING to do with fear or no fear.
yes it does. we didn't fear the English and we don't fear the yanks.
At least I like the English though
>You, as
>an individual poster here, said "shut the fuck up" to me.
yes and you did for a while. because you are scared of me
>If that doesn't
>demonstrate FEAR...
your test proves positive. it doesn't demostrate FEAR.
>the inability to provide a rational dialog, then
>nothing else does in Usenet. What you cannot handle, you fear.
rational dialog? that's a good un. You are the last to talk about
rational dialog
>
>>>And you are proving my point for me
>>>quite nicely,
>>
>>because your a thick twat PV who got it wrong again. It Can only be
>>expected from a low life like you
>>
>LOL. your (sic) just proving my point, spike.
what the fuck is a sic ?
>
>>>needing no further help from me.
>>
>>there is no helping you pv. they should strap you to that gurney and
>>put you out of your misery.. ooh they probably. just go and commit a
>>parking offense or something
>>
>Ah, yes... the _rational_ abolitionist. One who opposes the execution of
>MURDERERS, but argues that those who hold an opinion other than he
>does SHOULD be executed.
no i suggested that you should be put down. That's what they do to
hopelessly sick animals
>I think you should realize how very sick
>such a concept is,
it is sick. I am glad you see how sick you are. hopefully the vet will
be able to save you. it breaks my heart when sick animals are put down
>my friend.
I will never be your friend, yank deathie murderer
>It is the method of dictators wishing to silence
>the voice of any opposition.
you are the Nazi that wants to execute the unemployed, disabled, etc
>
>>>You cannot REALLY
>>>think that your comments are literate and articulate, spike.
>>
>>
>>I don't give a shit what they are to you PV
>>
>Of course you do, spike.
wrong again FW
> Otherwise you would not be commenting.
says who? Where did you get that pile of shit from?
>But
>I welcome your unintelligent and inarticulate postings,
if you can't understand them, that is your fault sonny
>demonstrating that
>stupidity is certainly alive and well in some corner of abolition.
you don't understand me because you are stupid and insane.
insane animals get put down the poor things
>>
>>>You're an
>>>intellectual fruitcake.
>>
>>whatever that is
>>
>Others know, spike. That's all that matters.
I thought you were talking to me. aha you are an attention seeker. I
guess my fellow aboloshonists have got you sussed out
>
>>>Every rational poster here recognizes that... you
>>>have only found support from OTHER proven intellectual fruitcakes,
>>
>>I don't give a shit about support. I don't need it. My hatred is
>>enough to power me
>>
>You mean YOUR LOVE, spike. Your love for murderers
no i mean HATE. Hate for your kind you murder loving yank.
A Planet Visitor
No, peter. I would support my society executing a few hundred proven
murderers, to save a few lives from being murdered. For starters, I would
certainly support my society deciding to execute those who have been
given a SECOND chance... released from having already murdered,
yet go on to murder again. Or those sentenced to prison instead of execution
who murder again in prison. In fact, we have 285 such murderers now
awaiting execution. How many chances would YOU give them?
>That makes sense to YOU?
>
What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
PV
>
>
dirtdog
wrote:
<snipped childish ranting>
>What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
Tell me, FW, do you think that your obsession with creating strawmen
will ever end?
w00f
A Planet Visitor
Clearly, peter has expressed that very support in a number of his posts... which
makes it hardly a strawman... -- One example of that are his words --
"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
PV
>w00f
dirtdog
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:14:42 +0100, dirtdog
><dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:37:00 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>wrote:
>>
>><snipped childish ranting>
>>
>>>What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
>>
>>
>>Tell me, FW, do you think that your obsession with creating strawmen
>>will ever end?
>>
>Clearly, peter has expressed that very support in a number of his posts... which
>makes it hardly a strawman... -- One example of that are his words --
>
>"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
>criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
Exactly. You created a strawman.
It is quite clear from your quote above that all Peter has said is
that if one weighs up the relative benefits of saving a handful of
convicted prisoners against the relative problems involved in
executing hundreds of possibly innocent people, the latter option does
not make sense.
If you genuinely belive this equate to an expression of support for
murder then you are far more retarded than I had ever imagined.
LOL! Fucked by your own quotation! That makes a change!
w00f
A Planet Visitor
in all his hate for humanity and love for murderers:
>On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 05:55:09 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>posted eloquently:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:01:50 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com>
>> vomited hysterically:
>>>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:58:25 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>>explained patiently:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:58:49 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com>
>>>> raged stupidly:
>>>>>On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:27:54 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>>>>wrote gracefully:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:15:25 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com>
>>>>>> ranted frantically:
<rest clipped>
>>>>>>>>I suppose I should _thank_ providence for providing spike, as an
>>>>>>>>example of an illiterate and inarticulate abolitionist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>really. i can fuck you up amytime. you still haven't replied to my
>>>>>>>posts because you are a scummy yellow yank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's always nice when someone proves the very point I have made, spike.
>>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>PV. I thought you stopped talking to me. I think you should know that
>>>>>to prove something you have to actually prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>ROTFLMAO. No, actually... you tried to ORDER me to stop talking to
>>>>you.
>>>
>>>mo i don't try. I succeeded
>>>
>>LOL... Yet here we are.
>
>yes we are
Proving that you didn't succeed, you stupid shit. Yet you claimed just
above that you DID. Without a doubt, there has never been someone
more innately ignorant who has posted here, than you, spike. You
can't even remember what you post one post ago. You certainly DO
prove my point.
>>>>Because you FEAR me.
>>>
>>>nah. Im scottish. we don't fear anyone. particularly not yanks
>>>
>>Your heritage has NOTHING to do with fear or no fear.
>
>yes it does. we didn't fear the English and we don't fear the yanks.
>At least I like the English though
>
_we_??? The Scots are ASHAMED that you claim to be _one of them_,
you cowardly swine..
>>You, as
>>an individual poster here, said "shut the fuck up" to me.
>
>yes and you did for a while. because you are scared of me
>
Man... you are one insane fuck. You simply REPEAT the
same thing that you've demonstrated.
>>If that doesn't
>>demonstrate FEAR...
>
>your test proves positive. it doesn't demostrate FEAR.
>
>>the inability to provide a rational dialog, then
>>nothing else does in Usenet. What you cannot handle, you fear.
>
>>Ah, yes... the _rational_ abolitionist. One who opposes the execution of
>>MURDERERS, but argues that those who hold an opinion other than he
>>does SHOULD be executed.
>
>no i suggested that you should be put down. That's what they do to
>hopelessly sick animals
>
You suggested I should be _put down_! Do you have any idea how sick
that makes you appear? I certainly would not suggest that you be _put
down_, regardless of how disgusting I find you to personally be. Even if
you were a murderer, I would not suggest you be _put down_, since that
is only the right of society. You are suggesting that those who disagree
with you should be MURDERED... you sick fuck. Hoping that those who
disagree with you should be _put down_. MURDERED. Yet, you defend
MURDERERS. Apparently to you, NO ONE who murders need be
executed. But those who disagree with you should be MURDERED.
Certainly proof that you are a murderer-lover. Others understand that
_putting down_ (KILLING) a human without legal justification, simply
because of YOUR OWN WHIM... IS MURDER.
That concept is, of course, beyond your intellectual capacity. LOL.
>>I think you should realize how very sick
>>such a concept is,
>
>it is sick. I am glad you see how sick you are. hopefully the vet will
>be able to save you. it breaks my heart when sick animals are put down
>
Umm... it's YOUR concept.
<clipped insane ravings from spike suggesting that those who disagree with him
should be MURDERED>
PV
>
>-
>spike says -- those who disagree with him should be _put down_ -- MURDERED.
>-
>Spike
A Planet Visitor
>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:22:30 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:14:42 +0100, dirtdog
>><dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:37:00 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>><snipped childish ranting>
>>>
>>>>What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tell me, FW, do you think that your obsession with creating strawmen
>>>will ever end?
>>>
>>Clearly, peter has expressed that very support in a number of his posts... which
>>makes it hardly a strawman... -- One example of that are his words --
>>
>>"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
>>criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
>>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
>
>Exactly. You created a strawman.
>
Actually, it proves exactly what I said -- that peter supports murderers
murdering criminals in prison, if a greater number of murderers are _saved_
(ho ho ho) from execution.
He has also called the murders of criminals in prison not _relevant_. Only
if they are "wrongly convicted" does he see them as _relevant_. When
I posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
peter remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." Obviously,
peter feels that criminals murdered in prison have no relevance -- See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
>It is quite clear from your quote above that all Peter has said is
>that if one weighs up the relative benefits of saving a handful of
>convicted prisoners against the relative problems involved in
>executing hundreds of possibly innocent people, the latter option does
>not make sense.
>
No... he just doesn't GIVE A SHIT about murders committed in prison.
Another of his _quotes_ that demonstrates he sees the murder of criminals
in prison as DIFFERENT from other murders, was his statement --
"It has to be said four out of seven of the victims of these murders were criminals."
You see how he needs to be sure that criminal murder victims are not
the SAME as _other_ murder victims?
Further... he is a pious hypocrite (which suits your views as well). Having
called on _the Bible_ to support his view... claiming the DP is a _permanent
stain on our immortal souls_. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8pajdk%24skd%241%40taliesin2.netcom.net.uk
>If you genuinely belive this equate to an expression of support for
>murder then you are far more retarded than I had ever imagined.
>
>LOL! Fucked by your own quotation! That makes a change!
Actually it is peter's quotation. I would NEVER support the murder
of criminals in prison to save a greater number of their murderers, as he
has stated he supports. And I will keep reminding him of his words.
PV
>
>w00f
dirtdog
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:48:39 +0100, dirtdog <dirtdogU...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:22:30 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:14:42 +0100, dirtdog
>>><dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:37:00 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>><snipped childish ranting>
>>>>
>>>>>What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tell me, FW, do you think that your obsession with creating strawmen
>>>>will ever end?
>>>>
>>>Clearly, peter has expressed that very support in a number of his posts... which
>>>makes it hardly a strawman... -- One example of that are his words --
>>>
>>>"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
>>>criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
>>>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
>>
>>Exactly. You created a strawman.
>>
>Actually, it proves exactly
...that you created a strawman.
<pitiful attempt to justify strawman including hilarious
misunderstanding of what a 'quotation' is snipped>
w00f
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> >
> What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
Don't forget that YOU are the one that said murderers deserve to
be murdered.
And you've spent years trying to live it down.
A Planet Visitor
regurgitated over and over the same nonsense:
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 04:35:31 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:48:39 +0100, dirtdog <dirtdogU...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:22:30 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:14:42 +0100, dirtdog
>>>><dirtdogPUSHAPEN...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:37:00 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>><snipped childish ranting>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Tell me, FW, do you think that your obsession with creating strawmen
>>>>>will ever end?
>>>>>
>>>>Clearly, peter has expressed that very support in a number of his posts... which
>>>>makes it hardly a strawman... -- One example of that are his words --
>>>>
>>>>"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
>>>>criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
>>>>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
>>>
>>>Exactly. You created a strawman.
>>>
>>Actually, it proves exactly
>
>...that I do not know what a strawman is.
>
I never thought you did, Louise.
><pitiful attempt to justify strawman including hilarious
>misunderstanding of what a 'quotation' is snipped>
>
It proves EXACTLY as I said -- that peter supports murderers murdering
criminals in prison, if a greater number of murderers are _saved_ (ho ho ho)
from execution.
In fact, he doesn't give a shit if ALL criminals are murdered in prison, since
he has stated that unless they are actually innocent they are IRRELEVANT.
Only if they are "wrongly convicted" does he see them as _relevant_. He
only cares about _saving_ (LOL) murderers from lawful execution. When I
posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
peter remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." Obviously,
peter feels that criminals murdered in prison have no relevance -- See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
PV
>w00f
>
dirtdog
wrote:
<of FW's latest strawman>
>It proves EXACTLY as I said -- that peter supports murderers murdering
>criminals in prison, if a greater number of murderers are _saved_ (ho ho ho)
>from execution.
>
>In fact, he doesn't give a shit if ALL criminals are murdered in prison, since
>he has stated that unless they are actually innocent they are IRRELEVANT.
>Only if they are "wrongly convicted" does he see them as _relevant_. He
>only cares about _saving_ (LOL) murderers from lawful execution. When I
>posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
>peter remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
>convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." Obviously,
>peter feels that criminals murdered in prison have no relevance -- See --
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
PV, this particular episode of undignified squirming from you in some
pitiful attempt to support your piss poor strawman is so contemptible
that any form of substantive response other than my wondering out loud
why the fuck you consider placing the word 'saved' between underscores
to be funny would be a waste of my time.
So tell me, FW, why the fuck do you consider placing the word 'saved'
between underscores to be funny?
w00f
Spike
<no...@m.please> blurted:
i'm sorry i banned him now. I so enjoyed showing him what a load of
shit he talked
A Planet Visitor
Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
hilarious, IMHO. Although you and peter would say that it is hilarious to
speak of criminals being _saved_ from MURDER by MURDERERS
in prison. In point of fact, peter has found those criminals murdered
in prison to be IRRELEVANT. As shown in the URL provided above.
_Apparently_ you _agree_ with that _conclusion_. _LOL_.
PV
>w00f
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:fq6v9vk1pnam0ll2e...@4ax.com...
>
>> >
>> What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
>
>Don't forget that YOU are the one that said murderers deserve to
>be murdered.
>
Actually I never said any such thing. I questioned the fact that YOU
presumed they deserved to be murdered. Hardly believing ANYONE
could presume they did. But you fooled me... since you certainly DO
believe they deserve to be murdered... but not executed. Go figure!
I have said that murderers are both not innocents and innocents depending
upon the framework of the acts they commit or the acts committed upon
them. They cannot be 'guilty murder victims,' because NO ONE
DESERVES TO BE MURDERED. All humans, including murderers
are INNOCENT MURDER VICTIMS when they are murdered. Of
course, in respect to the acts THEY COMMIT, they are guilty of
themselves committing murder, which in no way justifies them BEING
murdered. Or deserving to be murdered. Which is what YOU believe.
Since you have stated you believe their murders are justified, if a greater
number of their murderers can be _saved_ from execution.
I have ALWAYS considered murderers themselves as equally undeserved
of BEING MURDERED. While I first posted "NO ONE DESERVES
TO BE MURDERED," on May 30, 2001. For almost two years now...
EXACTLY THE SAME. And I have never wavered from that view.
Your problem is that you can find no words from me here, which
would refute that simple statement, without picking a few out from a
sentence and ignoring what is a certain negation of the words you
selectively pick out of a sentence meant in just the opposite sense.
Essentially trying to CHANGE a sentence from me, such as _NO ONE
DESERVES TO BE MURDERED_, into claiming I posted _ONE
DESERVES TO BE MURDERED_. You're a scheming, devious
liar, peter.
<pitiful lying insult clipped>
PV
A Planet Visitor
You didn't really ban me, spike... you simply wished that I was _put down_ --
MURDERED. Because my view is different from yours. That simply
demonstrates your hypocrisy. Save the murderer... but murder the person
who disagrees with you. You've managed to pull it off, spike. You are now
the most ignorant man on this planet. hi1k... you're in second place now.
ROTFLMAO.
PV
>-
> spike says -- murderers need to be saved. those who disagree with me
> need to be murdered.
>-
>Spike
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:08:01 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> >news:fq6v9vk1pnam0ll2e...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> >
> >> What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
> >
> >Don't forget that YOU are the one that said murderers deserve to
> >be murdered.
> >
> Actually I never said any such thing. I questioned the fact that YOU
> presumed they deserved to be murdered.
Bollocks.
you stated that innocents deserved to be saved, and that
murderers dont deserve to be saved.
Having made that statement, you presented victims as being
'innocent', deliberately concealing their crimes.
Why? because you thought that they 'deserved' to be murdered.
I exposed your hypocrisy, and you have tried to make out that
this proves I agree with what you said. But I always said the
exact opposite of you. I always said that NO ONE DESERVES
TO BE MURDERED. And you disagreed for a time, before
trying to claim that you sdaid it first.
flip flop
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
news:k677av8g7nertn3d7...@4ax.com...
>
> In fact, he doesn't give a shit if ALL criminals are murdered in prison,
since
> he has stated that unless they are actually innocent they are IRRELEVANT.
> Only if they are "wrongly convicted" does he see them as _relevant_.
It is interesting to note PV's reply to my statement
"anyone murdered in prison is guilty of being murdered."
Apparently, to PV, NOBODY is innocent, if they are murdered.
The fact of being murdered itself makes tyhem guilty, and therefore
they deserved to be murdered. Whether wrongly convicted or not,
they are "guilty of being murderd" It seems that EVERY victim
deserves it. Innocent, guilty, he doesn't give a damn.
Note: PV tries to justify this disgusting concept by claiming
that he was quoting me when he said that. I challenge him to
produce my words that he was quoting.
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
news:0fk9av03h33idfolo...@4ax.com...
> Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
> hilarious, IMHO.
Which shows once again how little PV values human life,
how iopposed he is to the saving of murderer's lives. How
he doesn't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
See, Peeves, I want to save their lives, you don't. On your
own admission.
Spike
<no...@m.please> blurted:
and another one spots Fuckwitt's lies
Rev. Don Kool
Peter Morris wrote:
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote...
>>Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
>>hilarious, IMHO.
> Which shows once again how little PV values human life,
> how iopposed he is to the saving of murderer's lives. How
> he doesn't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
>
> See, Peeves, I want to save their lives,
More admission from the murderer lovers that guilt or innocence is not
part of their equation. To them nothing matters but the life of the
proven murderer. They say to Hell with Justice and to Hell with the
victims. Happily the murderer lovers are ignored as the lunatic fringe
they have proven themselves to be and proven mass murderers like Juan
Chavez are justly executed by The Great State. Now his 12 innocent
victims will finally be able to rest in peace. If Justice prevails,
proven rapist and murderer Robert Charles Ladd will be joining Chavez in
Hell this evening. God Bless America. Amen.
Yours in Christ,
Don
--
*************************** Q: How many frenchmen does it take
* Rev. Don McDonald, SCNA * to defend Paris?
* Baltimore, MD * A: No one knows, it's never been tried.
***************************
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/oldno7/TheFrench.mpg
Reluctant Yamaha YZF-R1 Owner
Spike
<old...@comcast.net> blurted:
>
>
>Peter Morris wrote:
>> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote...
>
>>>Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
>>>hilarious, IMHO.
>
>> Which shows once again how little PV values human life,
>> how iopposed he is to the saving of murderer's lives. How
>> he doesn't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
>>
>> See, Peeves, I want to save their lives,
>
> More admission from the murderer lovers that guilt or innocence is not
>part of their equation.
typical yank. you don't give a fuck who you murder
Rev. Don Kool
Spike wrote:
> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
>>Peter Morris wrote:
>>>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote...
>>>>Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
>>>>hilarious, IMHO.
>>>
>>>Which shows once again how little PV values human life,
>>>how iopposed he is to the saving of murderer's lives. How
>>>he doesn't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
>>>
>>>See, Peeves, I want to save their lives,
>>
>> More admission from the murderer lovers that guilt or innocence is not
>>part of their equation.
>
>
> typical yank. you don't give a fuck who you murder
Actually here in the United States (the greatest country on the face of
the Earth, BTW) those who "don't give a fuck" who they murder are
punished with the just Death Penalty as God intended.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Spike
<old...@comcast.net> blurted:
>
>
>Spike wrote:
>> "Rev. Don Kool" wrote:
>>>Peter Morris wrote:
>>>>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote...
>
>>>>>Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
>>>>>hilarious, IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>Which shows once again how little PV values human life,
>>>>how iopposed he is to the saving of murderer's lives. How
>>>>he doesn't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
>>>>
>>>>See, Peeves, I want to save their lives,
>>>
>>> More admission from the murderer lovers that guilt or innocence is not
>>>part of their equation.
>>
>>
>> typical yank. you don't give a fuck who you murder
>
> Actually here in the United States (the
worst
> country on the face of
>the Earth, BTW) those who "don't give a fuck" who they murder are
>punished with the just Death Penalty as God intended.
so when are you gonna execute george bush then?
>
> Happy to have cleared things up for you,
> Don
-
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:0fk9av03h33idfolo...@4ax.com...
>
>> Because presuming that murderers must be _saved_ from execution, is
>> hilarious, IMHO.
>
Quite true -- presuming that murderers MUST NEVER be
executed, is a hilariously stupid, and immoral idea, IMHO.
The concept of abolition strikes me as a bit immoral.
Although I will not judge the methods of other countries.
I view many of the Muslim laws as immoral, but I do not
presume to apply my moral code to them. The last I heard
I am still entitled to an opinion here. And there is nothing
wrong with a claim that I would view my society as immoral
(in my opinion) if it believed it MUST save EVERY murderer
from execution. And IMHO, believing that ALL murderers
MUST be saved from execution, given the very high murder
rates existing in the U.S. is counterproductive to saving
innocent lives. But of course, _saving innocent lives_ doesn't
concern you... if you believe a greater number of the lives
of murderers can be saved from execution.
>Which shows once again how little PV values human life,
Actually, it shows how MUCH I value human life. The life of
the true victim. The murder victim. The one you consider
_irrelevant_.
>how iopposed he is to the saving of murderer's lives. How
>he doesn't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
>
You are the only one who has ever said that those murdered in
prison are irrelevant. I would NEVER presume that a murder
victim is irrelevant. Your words --
When I posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
you remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
The fact is you cannot STAND that I continue to provide PROOF
that YOU don't give a damn when one is murdered in prison.
Because YOU see those murder victims as IRRELEVANT.
>See, Peeves, I want to save their lives, you don't. On your
>own admission.
ROTFLMAO. Yet, you want to save murderers from execution so
they can murder prisoners. And you find those murders of prisoners
to be irrelevant. Your words --
"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
You've never wanted to save ANY lives, peter... unless it was the life
of a murderer from the just and lawful DP. But you'd cheer with glee
when they are murdered by other murderers in prison. Then... you
presume they DESERVE it. I swear, if they sold tickets to those murders
I can imagine you queuing up the night before. Only murderers sentenced
to the DP concern you, peter. Because you want to save them, so they
can murder each other in prison. Because all prisoners are IRRELEVANT
to you.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:tfo9av0lrcnbcvv0m...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:08:01 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please>
>wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>> >news:fq6v9vk1pnam0ll2e...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> What surprises me is that you would support murderers murdering.
>> >
>> >Don't forget that YOU are the one that said murderers deserve to
>> >be murdered.
>> >
>> Actually I never said any such thing. I questioned the fact that YOU
>> presumed they deserved to be murdered.
>
>Bollocks.
>
I have never understood why you felt that way, peter. It is a continual
source of perplexity to me, that you so hate criminals that you find their
murders in prison to be irrelevant. Yet so sympathize with their murderers
that you expect those murderers to escape the just punishment SOCIETY
has determined they deserve for committing murder upon murder.
Sympathizing with murderers who first murder non-criminals, placing them
in the very punishment you support... a non-DP punishment, then finding
the SUBSEQUENT murders they commit on prisoners to be irrelevant.
When I posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
you remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
Can you ever explain WHY you feel that the murder of guilty prisoners in prison
are irrelevant to you?
>you stated that innocents deserved to be saved, and that
>murderers dont deserve to be saved.
>
I've said many times that innocents deserve to be saved. It would be
absurd to argue otherwise. However; that means nothing in an absolute sense,
if saving one innocent results in the murder of many innocents. I believe
that greater number of innocents deserve to be saved. But, I've never
said that murderers DON'T deserve to be saved from either murder
or execution. IMHO, many murderers DO deserve to be saved from
execution, and provided alternate penalties, other than L wop, if the
murder they commit does not support them deserving to be executed, or
if my society determines that rehabilitation is possible.
You will not find any implication from me that NO murderer deserves
to be saved from execution. In fact, my society executes only a minuscule
number of those convicted of murder. And my agenda is the continuation
of the DP by my society, with modifications that I support, but not it being
abolished. Thus I hardly argue that murderers do not deserve to be saved.
Many do deserve to be shown mercy and saved from execution, because
the murders they commit, and the behavior they have demonstrated are
not sufficiently elevated to deserve execution. There are many kinds of
murders committed by murderers for which I believe the DP is not
deserved. I have on many occasions stated the various murders for which
I believe society should CONSIDER execution, and for which I believe
it should not. For one place, back in 2001 - See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=GaQX7.224966%24oj3.39103819%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
In which I disagree with another retentionist. Something you would
NEVER do with another abolitionist. Instead you only know how
to SLURP... SLURP...SLURP... looking for a crutch for your agenda.
Even if the you are sucking up to a racist.
I obviously oppose the execution of the insane, or retarded, and fully
believe the Supreme Court should rule that the execution of those
who are minors (under 18) at the time of the commission of the murder
should be abolished.
You continue to be confused as to the DIFFERENCE between the
lawful DP and unlawful murder. You being from Europe, I fully
understand that your ability to differentiate between lawful execution
for murder, and murder itself does not exist. Since Europe has a
history of not bothering with the law when executing. Here in the
U.S., since our creation under a Constitution, we have a thing called
a trial, a required unanimous verdict of twelve members of our
society, a requirement for aggravating circumstances associated
with the murderer, an agreed upon sentence, and an extensive due
process. We even created a moratorium on that penalty because
of various flaws we saw in it, and then reestablished it in a more
responsible manner Post-Furman. Europe has seldom bothered with
what they consider such tawdry procedures when they wish to
execute, but also does not bother to even make it a penalty, thus
appearing very _moral_, while awash in anonymous graves of
the innocent. :-(
>Having made that statement, you presented victims as being
>'innocent', deliberately concealing their crimes.
>
Umm.. ALL "victims" are innocent. One cannot be a "guilty victim."
That's another one of the problems you have since you believe some
criminals DESERVE to be murdered. They do not. NO ONE DOES.
Once again... being European I can see how you might believe that
victims can actually be guilty of something or other, thus justifying their
MURDER in your eyes.
>Why? because you thought that they 'deserved' to be murdered.
>
Actually if you look at your own words, you will find that you
believe they 'deserve' to be murdered, if a greater number of their
murderers can be saved from execution -- Your words --
"Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
and also your words --
"I dont dispute that plenty of people *deserve* to be killed. See
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=39B0FD46.D8441BD3%40lineone.net
>I exposed your hypocrisy, and you have tried to make out that
>this proves I agree with what you said. But I always said the
>exact opposite of you. I always said that NO ONE DESERVES
>TO BE MURDERED. And you disagreed for a time, before
>trying to claim that you sdaid it first.
>
ROTFLMAO...
Actually that is another of your pathetic lies. The very first time the
phrase appears in ANY of YOUR posts, is when you LEFT in that
comment that I had provided in MY post to you. See -
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5dqd9%24li2%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
That post of yours was dated -- 2002-02-25. And believe it or
not, you went almost a full year until you again left my phrase in..
Not until 2003-01-29!!
My first use of that phrase was --
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=hvhR6.350857%24o9.55260859%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
That post of mine was dated -- 2001-05-30
Jesus, peter... EIGHT MONTHS before you even LEFT MY WORDS
IN, in one of your posts. Please provide the post of yours that
you now claim pre-dates 2001-05-30, when it is proven in my words.
Or else admit you are a liar. Be a man. Not a coward.
>flip flop
You are just announcing what we all already know you are famous for, peter.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:k677av8g7nertn3d7...@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> In fact, he doesn't give a shit if ALL criminals are murdered in prison,
>> since
>> he has stated that unless they are actually innocent they are IRRELEVANT.
>> Only if they are "wrongly convicted" does he see them as _relevant_.
>
>
>It is interesting to note PV's reply to my statement
>
>"anyone murdered in prison is guilty of being murdered."
>
Are you dreaming again... or just providing the usual lie? You appear
to quote me, yet the words you quote do not exist in my posting history.
url:http://www.google.com/groups?as_epq=anyone%20murdered%20in%20prison%20is%20guilty&safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_ugroup=alt.activism.death-penalty&as_uauthors=planet&lr=&hl=en
If you think anyone BELIEVES you, you are mistaken. Because you
NEVER provide google references to your claims, or when you do,
they are exposed for providing obvious distortions.
>Apparently, to PV, NOBODY is innocent, if they are murdered.
LOL.... you lying sack of shit. There is NO SUCH THING as a
_guilty victim_. All victims are by definition innocent of being
victimized. And that obviously includes being murdered. EVERYBODY
is innocent, in respect to BEING MURDERED.
>The fact of being murdered itself makes tyhem guilty, and therefore
>they deserved to be murdered.
I always knew that was your view... and you now confirm it. Finally...
> Whether wrongly convicted or not,
>they are "guilty of being murderd" It seems that EVERY victim
>deserves it. Innocent, guilty, he doesn't give a damn.
>
You have simply stated your view. I do give a damn about those
murdered. EVERY ONE of them. But I don't give a damn if they
are innocent or convicted criminals when they are MURDERED.
Because -- In my words -- NO ONE DESERVES TO BE
MURDERED. Neither innocent or the most depraved serial
murderer DESERVES to be murdered. Thus, it doesn't make
a damn to me WHO they were. At the time they are murdered
they are _innocent victims_. All of them. While you have stated
that some DO deserve to be murdered -- Your words --
"I dont dispute that plenty of people *deserve* to be killed. See
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=39B0FD46.D8441BD3%40lineone.net
And when I pointed out your words in another post, you then
LIED and hysterically DENIED having said them, and tried to
accuse me of making that comment -- see
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=QMze8.230390%24Gb1.36018928%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
All in all, you're a pretty disgusting example of an abolitionist, peter.
No one likes a liar.
>
>Note: PV tries to justify this disgusting concept by claiming
>that he was quoting me when he said that. I challenge him to
>produce my words that he was quoting.
>
Ummm. that would be when you stated 1) that criminals murdered
in prison are irrelevant, and 2) you support their murder if a greater
number of their murderers can be saved from execution -- Your
words -- 1) When I posted the number of murders committed by
murderers in prisons, you remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one
sigle one of the victims wrongly convicted? Because if not, it has
no relevence whatsoever." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
2) "Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small
number of other criminals does not make sense, to me." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
PV
>
>
Spike
blurted:
you keep digging yourself deaper don't you? Nazi fuckwitt
A Planet Visitor
SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... spike is _looking for a friend_. But
as he did with hooking up with a racist, in Ol' Racist Nev... he now
hopes to hook up with a liar.
Only peter has ever expressed a desire for murderers to be murdered,
spike. I have always said -- NO ONE DESERVES TO BE MURDERED.
I believe I've said it in about 114 different posts, dating back to May 30,
2001, almost two years ago. But peter's words, in four different instances
(plus others of course, but four is sufficient) show his desire for murderers
to be murdered, if their murderers can be saved from execution --
1) When I posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
peter remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." Obviously, he
feel that criminals murdered in prison have no relevance to him -- See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
2) "Executing hundreds of criminals to save the lives of a small number of other
criminals does not make sense, to me." You see how he finds those who are
murdered in prison as meaningless if he can SAVE their murderers? See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
3) "I dont dispute that plenty of people *deserve* to be killed." It would
seem that peter is the one who WANTS them killed. And notice that he
doesn't really care if they are murderers or not... he finds "plenty of people"
deserve it. See
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=39B0FD46.D8441BD3%40lineone.net
4) ""It has to be said four out of seven of the victims of these murders were
criminals." peter sees criminals as meaningless in respect to their being murdered
in prison, thus his determination to insure everyone KNOWS they were
criminals. You see peter BELIEVES in the term _guilty victim_. He doesn't
see all victims of murder as innocent. He believes their past crimes mean they
DESERVED it. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9f3lht%24fqm%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
PV
>
>-
>spike says -- "i suggested that you should be put down."
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ri7u9vom0rleat0756bgu0ddgjvhkstklu%404ax.com
>-
>Spike
Spike
blurted:
>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:20:38 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
yeah lick your own ass fuckwitt
>spike is _looking for a friend_. But
>as he did with hooking up with a racist, in Ol' Racist Nev... he now
>hopes to hook up with a liar.
nah you fucking rancid scrote. I agree with him because i happen to
agree with him
>
>Only peter has ever expressed a desire for murderers to be murdered,
>spike.
bollocks sicko. you would yank as you pulled the switch you filthy
murdering scum
>I have always said -- NO ONE DESERVES TO BE MURDERED.
>I believe I've said it in about 114 different posts, dating back to May 30,
>2001, almost two years ago. But peter's words, in four different instances
>(plus others of course, but four is sufficient) show his desire for murderers
>to be murdered, if their murderers can be saved from execution --
>
So you are an aboloshonist now?
>1) When I posted the number of murders committed by murderers in prisons,
>peter remarked uncaringly -- "Was even one sigle one of the victims wrongly
>convicted? Because if not, it has no relevence whatsoever." Obviously, he
>feel that criminals murdered in prison have no relevance to him -- See --
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a55to2%24eoo%241%40lyonesse.netcom.net.uk
I don't give a fuck for your internet shortcuts. I know how easy you
find it to twist people's words especially mine so if you think i am
gonna give a fuck for your shortcuts where you somehow fabricate lies
from other people's words then go and suck your dong you mad goat
>
aw i can be doing no more with ya
Desmond Coughlan
wrote:
{ snip }
> SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... spike is _looking for a friend_.
Oh dear, FuckWit _is_ ... sorry, 'IS' (sic*) relying a lot on FuckWit
Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 65, the 'SLURP [sic]' gimmick, isn't he !?
url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/65.html
* ROTFLMAO !!!!
{ snip remainder of FW claiming victory in the face of a savage
hammering at spike's hands }
---
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
Yamaha YZF-R1
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
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>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:32:29 +0200
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Dolly Coughlan Jr, the legend continues!
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
A Planet Visitor
>On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 06:57:02 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>blurted:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:53:49 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>>>news:k677av8g7nertn3d7...@4ax.com...
>>>
<some clipping>
Yes... peter certainly does. I think I proved that rather conclusively.
But he keeps trying to lie his way out of his own words.
>-
>spike says -- "why don't you string up the unemployed or ill!"
PV
>-
>Spike
Dolly Coughlan Jr
>ubject: Re: I thought this group.......
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:32:29 +0200
>
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:27:05 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... spike is _looking for a friend_.
>
>Oh dear, FuckWit _is_ ... sorry, 'IS' (sic*) relying a lot on FuckWit
>Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 65, the 'SLURP [sic]' gimmick, isn't he !?
>
>url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/65.html
>
>* ROTFLMAO !!!!
>
As I remarked in my other post... You may call anything you wish one
of those silly gimmicks you have constructed... you may hide behind that
phony facade that everyone can see, if you choose to do so. But that
doesn't change in the slightest bit the fact that it is ALL you have. And
it certainly demonstrates you have spent a great deal of time erecting that
wall, that impotent refuge from the truth, in order to avoid the actual
issues offered. But at a certain point you become only a laughable
caricature. Some realize it sooner... some later. But eventually everyone
sees it. It only works for so long, before everyone recognizes that it is
your choice to ignore the actual content of whatever words were posted,
and to slink away with your tail between your legs, calling that content
a gimmick because of your inability to mount any other response. Using
the word 'gimmick,' and creating an elaborate, but flimsy 'Maginot line,'
defense -- static, immobile, ineffective, sterile. Nothing more than a
wall you erect to avoid those words, because you recognize that your
intellect is not sufficiently endowed to offer any other defense.
Again, do not take this as an insult, 'brain tumor bob,' but as simply
the obviously feeble help I hope to provide for you, in this obviously
ineffective forum, so you can see yourself as others see you.
>{ snip remainder of FW claiming victory in the face of a savage
> hammering at spike's hands }
>
Little wonder that you'd feel that way, 'brain tumor bob.' Your views
and his meld perfectly... he suggests that the unemployed or ill be
strung up... see
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=5i0o9v87694eb6p57jsaodlhd9k85l30kc%404ax.com
You agree with that concept, finding murderers provide a benefit for
our species, in the way of _culling the herd_. Since in response to
the question as to the benefit murderers provide... you answered
"I feel that everyone has 'value', or 'benefit' to our species." And,
of course, murderers DO MURDER. See --
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=IhBra.34484%24U17.660647%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
PV
>---
>'brain tumor bob' Coughlan
Honest Nev
> >On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:27:05 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >wrote:
> >
> >{ snip }
> >
> >> SLURP... SLURP... SLURP... spike is _looking for a friend_.
> >
> >Oh dear, FuckWit _is_ ... sorry, 'IS' (sic*) relying a lot on FuckWit
> >Patented Gimmick (TM) n° 65, the 'SLURP [sic]' gimmick, isn't he !?
> >
> >url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/65.html
> >
> >* ROTFLMAO !!!!
> >
> As I remarked in my other post... You may call anything you wish one
> of those silly gimmicks you have constructed... you may hide behind that
> phony facade that everyone can see, if you choose to do so. But that
> doesn't change in the slightest bit the fact that it is ALL you have. And
> it certainly demonstrates you have spent a great deal of time erecting that
> wall, that impotent refuge from the truth, in order to avoid the actual
> issues offered. But at a certain point you become only a laughable
> caricature. Some realize it sooner... some later. But eventually everyone
> sees it. It only works for so long, before everyone recognizes that it is
> your choice to ignore the actual content of whatever words were posted,
> and to slink away with your tail between your legs, calling that content
> a gimmick because of your inability to mount any other response. Using
> the word 'gimmick,' and creating an elaborate, but flimsy 'Maginot line,'
> defense -- static, immobile, ineffective, sterile. Nothing more than a
> wall you erect to avoid those words, because you recognize that your
> intellect is not sufficiently endowed to offer any other defense.
In other words... Gimmick n° 101 (the 'I don't have any gimmicks' gimmick) [1].
Now fuck off, you racist scum.
Yrs,
N. Fitzherbert, esq.
[1] patent pending.
A Planet Visitor
LOL... Again leaving everything in to show that Ol' Racist Nev imitates
both 'bob' and spike. Ol' Racist Nev -- Leaving in everything, unable to
comprehend what _clipping_ means, then providing a one-line insult
containing NOTHING but empty, meaningless drivel. How typical... and
how sad for abolition. :-(
Luckily for me... all three - 'brain tumor bob,' spike and Ol' Racist Nev --
don't have one sound thought... nor one legitimate argument... between all
three of them. Thus, even I, with my pitifully inadequate abilities, find
them to be as easy to swat as meat flies feeding on beef. And find them
to be just as disgusting. With all three having suggested that I be murdered.
PV
> Ol' Racist Nev
> Ol' Racist Nev says -- Jews aren't born Jews... they choose to BE Jews.