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Tommy

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Nov 21, 2003, 4:38:10 PM11/21/03
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What the hell is wrong with the SPLC? Check out the website. No mention of
the Jewish terrorist groups a la ADL - JDL

The Host of Hate
Harold C. Turner, 41 | NORTH BERGEN, N.J.
www.halturnershow.com

Just when some thought that the modern white supremacist movement had
adopted the calmer language of scientific racism, along came Hal Turner. A
belligerent, foul-mouthed talk show host, Turner is the maestro of radio
hate ? a man who rants about a "Portable Nigger Lyncher" machine,
"faggots," "savage Negro beasts," "bull-dyke lesbians" and "lazy-ass
Latinos ... slithering across the border." And that is just the beginning.

According to a profile in his local newspaper, The (Bergen County, N.J.)
Record, Turner was born in Jersey City and raised in Ridgefield Park. He
served a 10-month stint in the Marines, was honorably discharged, and went
to work as a driver and sales manager for a moving company. Later, he sold
commercial property.

Turner got involved in politics as well, serving as a Republican
committeeman in Hudson County, the North Jersey coordinator for white
nationalist Pat Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign, and manager of the
1997 gubernatorial campaign of Libertarian Murray Sabrin.

As early as 1994, he was defending racism, holding a rally for New York
radio talk show host Bob Grant, who had been fired from his show for making
racist comments about blacks. In the late 1990s, Turner often called in to
local radio shows as "Hal from North Bergen," telling their hosts things
like, "The problem with police brutality is that cops don't use it enough."

In 2000, Turner sought the local Republican nomination for Congress, and was
enraged when GOP leaders instead supported Theresa de Leon, a dark-skinned
Hispanic who was the chief financial officer for New York's Legal Aid
Society and the mother of 10 children. It was at this moment that Turner
had a reported "epiphany," deciding the system was rigged against white men
and abandoning all ties to the mainstream.

Not long after, he started up "The Hal Turner Show," renting time on
shortwave radio maverick Allan Weiner's WBCQ, located in Monticello, Maine.

Building up a substantial audience and paying for the five-nights-a-week,
two-hour show with advertising and donations, he became a favorite of many
on the radical right, including several in the neo-Nazi National Alliance*.
After neo-Nazi World Church of the Creator* leader Matt Hale was arrested
in late 2002 for allegedly soliciting the murder of a federal judge, Turner
openly supported Hale.

"I don't think killing a federal judge in these circumstances would be
wrong," he said, referring to the judge's ruling against Hale's group in a
copyright dispute over its name. "It may be illegal, but it wouldn't be
wrong."

Early in 2003, Turner told The Record, federal agents from the Secret
Service and the U.S. Marshals Service questioned him about statements made
on the air. Also in early 2003, Turner joined a neo-Nazi rally held in
front of the Southern Poverty Law Center. In June, he was at the Aryan
Nations* World Congress in Idaho, where rainy weather prevented his planned
outdoor on-site broadcasts.

In recent months, however, Turner has repeatedly told his listeners he was
gravely ill and begged for donations to pay his creditors. But he has never
said what his disease was, and his many skeptics have noted that his
"illness" seems to worsen when bills come due at month's end.

Sara Salzman

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Nov 21, 2003, 4:57:52 PM11/21/03
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In article <1621836.2eKZ3QzxT6@FreeBSD>, Tommy <To...@NotForMail.com>
wrote:

Thanks for pointing out what a piece of slime Turner is! You've done a
real service! Now everyone can understand what a liar he is.

Sara

--
-My name is not "Fatbury Scumbag" you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name call
is all a pathetic loser like you has! You have yet to prove me wrong
you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!
-I don't rely on personal attacks as my means of posting and
the bulk of my posts prove so! You can't discern the difference.
BTW my name is not Fatboy you stupid kike.
--Scott Bradbury, who completely misses the irony of the above

Tommy

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Nov 21, 2003, 5:00:11 PM11/21/03
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Sara Salzman wrote:


> Thanks for pointing out what a piece of slime Turner is! You've done a
> real service! Now everyone can understand what a liar he is.
>
> Sara
>

Cite those lies.

Sara Salzman

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Nov 21, 2003, 6:22:50 PM11/21/03
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In article <1118980.82t1odxIkY@FreeBSD>, Tommy <To...@NotForMail.com>
wrote:

Well, for one thing, tell us about his "grave illness."

Reginald H. C. McTavish

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Nov 21, 2003, 11:24:11 PM11/21/03
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:57:52 -0700,
<catamont-8F7FB5...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

> Now everyone can understand what a liar he is.

Speaking of liars:

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=ucjrrvsatpjlgbemn...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT Reported to
CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! R_1121
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Subject: Day Two: The $10,000 Challenge to Ken McVay aka Re: Harold Covington &
Scott Bradbury: The Blubberbury Twins (V2.0 R_1119)
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&selm=3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v84aek0qsbfhb5eul8%404ax.com
Subject: Test this, David Michael aka Ken McVay's "Edeiken-v-Bradbury.C1" Is
Filled With Lies and Perjury...
Message-ID: <3bmv4vc9u4kh2qs4v...@4ax.com>

Now go do what you do best pig- go fist your big fat ass!

>
>Sara

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Fist Fucking
:
By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
Says so right on the label.
We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
Your mileage may, of course, vary.
Perrrfect
--
It never rains under my umbrella
~~End~~

Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
In article <3hg9a1$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lant...@aol.com (L
Antoniou) wrote:
> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding. If you read all
> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
> all fingers together. What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position. Of course, you go
> on to say *exactly that*.
In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
impart my own (limited) experience. <END>
Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
and "fisting" herself!
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7vvg67%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known Literary
Works and Opinions
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
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Tavish

Roger

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Nov 21, 2003, 11:57:41 PM11/21/03
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Reginald H. C. McTavish wrote
in message <r6ptrvs5ajh16jtgs...@4ax.com>:

>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:57:52 -0700,
><catamont-8F7FB5...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>> Now everyone can understand what a liar he is.

>Speaking of liars:

And look who shows up -- the Shame of Belleville, IN!

>Now go do what you do best pig- go fist your big fat ass!

Sure am glad tSoB doesn't resort to personal attacks...

>>Sara

>Sara Salzman aka Sara "The Fist" Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> did post:
>From: ssch...@infinet.com Sara Schwartz
>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>Subject: Fist Fucking
>:
>By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
>Says so right on the label.
>We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
>Your mileage may, of course, vary.
>Perrrfect

And this is a problem because ... ?

Sara Salzman

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Nov 22, 2003, 12:03:02 AM11/22/03
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In article <r6ptrvs5ajh16jtgs...@4ax.com>,

Reginald H. C. McTavish <RHCMc...@TAVISH-CENTRAL001.NET> wrote:


>
> Now go do what you do best pig- go fist your big fat ass!

I sure am glad Mr. Bradbury doesn't engage in personal attacks.

It is a shame, though, that he doesn't understand anatomy.

Reginald H. C. McTavish

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Nov 22, 2003, 4:27:17 PM11/22/03
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:38:10 -0500, <1621836.2eKZ3QzxT6@FreeBSD> Tommy
<To...@NotForMail.com> wrote:

>What the hell is wrong with the SPLC?

The founder of SPLC, Morris Dees, is an adulterer, pervert, fellatioist, and an
apparent child molester!

I.E.

http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/dees1.htm
http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/dees2.htm
(Links active November 16, 2003. Archived locally as: dees1 [and] dees2)
Also available as a PDF file:
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/MorrisDeesDivorcePapers.pdf
(Archived locally as: MorrisDeesDivorcePapers)

IN THE ALABAMA COURT OF CIVIL APPEALS

MAUREENE BASS DEES )
)
Appellant, )
)
-vs- ) CASE NO. CIV. 2114
)
MORRIS S. DEES, )
)
Appellee. )

---------------------------------------------------------------------

ON APPEAL FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF
MONTGOMERY COUNTY, ALABAMA

---------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------
BRIEF OF APPELLANT
------------------
MAURY SMITH
JULIA S. WATERS
CHARLES M. CROOK
Attorneys for the Appellant

OF COUNSEL:
SMITH, BOWMAN, THAGARD,
CROOK & CULPEPPER
P.O. Box 78
Montgomery, Al 36101
Telephone: (205) 834-6500

ORAL ARGUMENT REQUESTED
------------------------

TABLE OF CONTENTS
PAGE
----

STATEMENT OF THE CASE ........................................ 4
THE ISSUES ................................................... 4
STATEMENT OF THE FACTS ....................................... 5

H. Morris' Sexual Appetite ............................... 12
F. Charlie Springman ................................. 14

------------------------------------------------------------

H. Morris' Sexual Appetite

Later in the marriage he repeatedly told [his wife] of
women that he had sexual intercourse with during the marriage (R. 354).
He said further that he enjoyed trying to turn on gay people and he
expressed a desire to have an experience with a gay (R. 354).
Early in the marriage, Morris gave [his wife] a book on "Open Marriage"
and started encouraging her to have sexual intercourse with other men
(R. 419-420). During the year or so after they were married, Maureene
became aware that her husband was having an affair with a woman name
Becky Logan (R. 458). During the same period, she began receiving
anonymous telephone calls concerning her husband and a black woman
in town (R. 459).
A. Dianne Hicks. In his deposition, Morris admits that in
the spring of 1973 (Morris depo. p. 27), or during the summer of
1973 (Morris depo. p. 25), he had an affair with Dianne Hicks, a
Mobile lawyer who was working for the Southern Poverty Law Center
(Morris depo. p. 25). He had sex with her during a canoe trip down
the Tallapoosa River (Morris depo. p.25), and also in Brewton where
they were working together on a trial (Morris depo. p. 26-27).
B. Cathy Bennett. in the fall of 1974, Morris brought to
the family home in Mathews a girl named Cathy Bennett who was a
psychologist who had worked with Morris on several cases (R. 284).
She stayed in their home in Mathews for about a week, during which
time they had Bobby Kennedy there as a guest (R. 285). Maureene was
suspicious of her husband's relationship with this girl (R. 286),
and later Morris admitted having an affair with her (R. 1325).
Morris told Mrs. Dees that his affair with her was over in December,
1974, But she later found that he and Cathy continued to conduct an
affair in Atlanta where Morris lived for a period during the Jimmy
Carter campaign (R. 287, 291).
C. Judith Rogers. in the fall of 1977 (R. 1344), Morris
and Maureene held a Little Theatre party at their home, attended by
Dr. Rogers, a Montgomery physician, and his wife Judith, who is a
criminal psychologist (R. 292, 1344, 1345). During the party Morris
admits that he took Judith into a back room of his house, while the
party was going on, and had intercourse with her (R. 1344, 293).
D. Deborah Levy. In the spring of 1976, Morris invited to
the house Deborah Levy who worked for the American Civil Liberties
Union in New York, and the man with whom she lived in New York,
Michael Gaas (R. 299, 303). The Southern Poverty Law Center was
considering starting a magazine in opposition to the death penalty,
and Morris was interviewing Deborah Levy for the job of running the
magazine (R. 301). She was not hired for the job, but she and her
boyfriend did visit the Dees home in Mathews for several days on two
different occasions (R. 301). in August, 1976, Morris and Maureene
took them on a canoe trip down the river (R. 202-203). After
supper, they had all gone to bed in sleeping bags, when Maureene
woke up and found Morris and Deborah naked, having sex on the
sandbar (R. 306). Morris turned to Maureene and insisted that she
have sex with the other man. (R. 306). Later Maureene went back to
sleep and woke up shortly before dawn, and found Morris and Deborah
having intercourse again right next to her (R. 307). While having
intercourse with Deborah, Morris leaned over and kissed Maureene (R.
308).

[...]

G. Morris' Step-Daughter. Holly Buck, Maureene's daughter
by a previous marriage, is eighteen years old (R. 728). She was
seven years old when her mother and Morris married, and she has
lived with them in the house at Mathews from then until the
separation (R. 728). Holly testified that, in the summer of 1977,
Morris attempted to molest her in the following incident (R. 729):
One night Maureene and Morris were sitting drinking wine and
discussing a case Morris was trying. She was with them. Around
eleven or twelve o'clock Maureene went to bed and Holly stayed up
with Morris discussing the case. Morris kept offering Holly wine,
some of which she accepted. At Morris' suggestion, they went
outside to the pool, and he suggested that they go for a swim, but
Holly was tired and declined (R. 731). She went to her room and
then went into the bathroom. Looking out the window, she saw Morris
in the bushes beside the bathroom window looking in (R. 731). She
said "Morris, is that you", but he said nothing and ran away (R.
732). Two months later, she was asleep one night and Morris entered
her room from Ellie's room, through the bathroom. He was in his
underwear and he sat on the bed where Holly was lying on her stomach
facing away from the door. He touched her on the back and woke her
up. He told her that he had brought her a present, and he presented
her with a vibrator. He plugged it in and said he had brought it to
her. He proceeded to rub it on her back and said, "Let me show you
how to use it" (R. 733). She said that's not necessary, but he
started to place it between her legs when she raised he voice and
said no loudly. He then took the vibrator and left (R. 734). All
he had on was a pair of bikini underwear shorts (R. 734). About two
hours later, she had fallen back asleep and he came back in (R.
735). He brought the vibrator with him, plugged it in and said
again, "Let me show you how to use it." He tried to show her again
by putting it between her legs, but she raised her voice again and
he stopped. He took it and left (R. 635). She did not tell her
mother about this incident until the separation when they moved out
of the Mathews house in the spring of 1979 (R. 736).

<<Tavish comment: Do the math-- Morris Dees' stepdaughter was under aged at the
time he made his molesting advances on her. If Holly Buck was 18 at the time of
the divorce then she was definitely under aged when Morris Dees tried to molest
her.>>

[...]

F. Charlie Springman (homosexual). On August 11, 1978,
Maureene and Morris' tenth anniversary, they were having dinner at
the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C., and afterward had drinks in
the bar (R. 333, et seq). In the bar, they saw Charlie Springman,
who Maureene knew as a Regional Coordinator for the National
Endowment of the Arts (R. 335). She had told Morris that Springman
was gay, but Morris had never met him. When they saw him in the
bar, Morris suggested inviting him over for a drink (R. 335). After
a while, to Maureene's surprise, Morris suggested that Charlie come
up to the room with them (R. 336). In the room, they drank wine and
talked, and Morris unbuttoned his shirt to the waist (R. 336).
Charlie tried to leave several times but Morris wouldn't let him (R.
337). Finally Morris proposed that Charlie spend the night with
them (R. 337). Mrs. Dees protested, and put on her robe and
nightgown to go to bed (R. 337-338). Soon Charlie and Morris were
in the bed naked, with Maureene in the middle with her gown on (R.
338-339). Springman and Morris hugged and kissed, and Morris tried
to get Charlie to have relations with Maureene, but Springman was
physically unable to because he was not interested (R. 340). In
fact, no one made any effort to have sex with Mrs. Dees during this
incident (R. 341). Springman kissed Morris' penis, and in fact,
Morris complained that he bit him and that it hurt (R. 340). Morris
kissed Springman on Springman's penis (R. 341).

<END>

Need I say more?
Tavish

--Nizkor.Org Director, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Archived locally as: pedo_McVay)
Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: John_Confirms)
(For the record this child porn apologist is funded by B'nai Brith
as shown here: http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
B'nai Brith must condone pictures of "naked children" too!)

Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG-- does he
not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a person who
would say in general regarding child porn: "I am weary of seeing the
issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and
around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, ... and
fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
(Archived locally as: ChickenHawk_McVay)
Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
alone with your children?

The Nizkor Project aka Ken McVay
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada

Does anything else need to be said other than the only way for Ken McVay to view
those pictures of naked children on the NET is for him to have downloaded them!
THAT IS FACT!!


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