Dr. Dobb's Tcl-URL! - weekly Tcl news and links (Sep 10)
Stuart Cassoff
*Exploring Expect*, "It's an invaluable resource . . ." Also note-
worthy: Darren New's counsel that, "Chances are, if you describe
the problem you're trying to solve, rather than the solution you
think is right, you will get advice on a better way to solve your
problem", and Keith Vetter's report that, "I just deleted 67 files,
and replaced them with 3 Tcl scripts. The 3 Tcl scripts do twice
as much, never core, are ten times easier to maintain and are
completely cross-platform. Praises must go to BWidget too."
Exciting news, threads have officially arrived: In a
brilliant 4th quarter turnaround, David Graveraux makes the
completion and hands off to Zoran Vasiljevic. Looks like he's
running for a touchdown folks!
Threads announcement thread:
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=4f091f6a7b2d3062
Threads discussion threads:
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=ec7d32316069e9fb
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=51c2f9eea119cd60
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=e758cc542b91f134
Threads home:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10894&release_id=51364
Plus discusion on [thread::exit] vs. [thread::unwind] and
shared variables.
How to multiple assign? Let me count the ways. Tip #57 &
#58 - multiple assign is again discussed. How would *you*
do it?
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=b6e0af2f43c11865
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=1e277b9a63884e5a
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=6404c96ec10e02a2
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=3B936074.8D08728E%40cs.man.ac.uk&prev=/groups%3Fnum%3D25%26hl%3Den%26group%3Dcomp.lang.tcl%26safe%3Doff%26start%3D175%26group%3Dcomp.lang.tcl
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=Vn2l7.1162%24bB1.47237%40news.cpqcorp.net&prev=/groups%3Fnum%3D25%26hl%3Den%26group%3Dcomp.lang.tcl%26safe%3Doff%26start%3D125%26group%3Dcomp.lang.tcl
Thoughts on Tcl's syntax and the classic double deref debate.
One of my favorite discussions/arguments, good insights about
the parser's point of view.
http://groups.google.com/groups?rnum=31&thl=1127439909,1131846512,1131721668,1131486191,1131480702,1131292625,1131265405,1130909890,1131477448,1130989425,1130806287,1130514579
Which language better? Why RPG, of course. Others seem to
think differently. Simple question, interesting answers.
http://groups.google.com/groups?rnum=31&thl=1127439909,1131846512,1131721668,1131486191,1131480702,1131292625,1131265405,1130909890,1131477448,1130989425,1130806287,1130514579
"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" -- Steve Wright
These are important issues. Are Tcl resources too spread out? Sound
off! Central repository is discussed.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=f1f32967456cb1ba
Online Tcl cookbook is announced.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=1a46aff55b78baec
Self installing unix executables. Hey! Installer! Leave my
files alone! (apologies to Pink Floyd)
http://groups.google.com/groups?rnum=1&thl=0,1125702091,1125671451,1125653889,1125477476,1125414171,1125365740,1125330459,1125598114,1125578294,1125544001,1125518492
Order of evaluation. Left, right, up, down? Very interesting
observations on evaluation and parsing.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=74cb89c1e1784f2d
TkGS continues to advance. A truly noble and arduous effort.
Help this guy out, the realization of this project will allow Tcl
to make a quantum leap forwards! Now with more font goodness!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tkgs&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=pgpmoose.200109041119.3032%40non.non.net
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkgs/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tkgs&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=pgpmoose.200109041119.3032%40non.non.net
Paper or plastic? Tip #55: Package Format for Tcl Extensions is
discussed.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=e25115762820f136
News Flash: Man loses files - claims it to be a 'good thing'!
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=dea49a787f918f25
When is .29 not .29? Why is a raven like a writing desk?
Only one of these questions gets answered in:
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=fbe5a186ec0e8567
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=5eaa111b54330dc2
Whoo hoo! Borland's back in the fray! Tcl only for now, Tk on
the way. Compilers remaining to be supported: mingw32 (native)
and lcc.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=39888ae4fabebd7b
Laurent Duperval needed his memory refreshed (must be dynamic)
re:memory release. "Where does my memory go? I forgot."
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=cedf94ebb86ef521
On a related thread, how Tcl handles objects in memory and
possible improvements.
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=c8c663585009ebae
Public Tcl and Expect training is available.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=public+training&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=WZOl7.242%24x01.34789%40news.pacbell.net
Public, not free: "All courses are US$500 per day per student."
Who, who, who, who whoooooooo let the procs out? Andreas
Kupries moves memchan to SourceForge. Announce:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=announce&start=10&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=20&selm=pgpmoose.200109022143.22499%40non.non.net
http://memchan.sourceforge.net
Csaba Nemethi is on a roll. Multi-entry widget package mentry 2.1;
widget callback package Wcb 2.6; Multi-column listbox package
Tablelist 1.5
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=multi&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=8&selm=pgpmoose.200109022150.22756%40non.non.net
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=multi&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=9&selm=pgpmoose.200109022146.22601%40non.non.net
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=announce&start=10&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=18&selm=pgpmoose.200109022148.22684%40non.non.net
http://www.nemethi.de
Andres Garcia: Workin' the web. TclCurl 0.8 Getleft 0.11.3
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=getleft&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=pgpmoose.200109041112.2855%40non.non.net
http://personal1.iddeo.es/andresgarci/getleft/english/index.html
http://personal1.iddeo.es/andresgarci/tclcurl/english/
Peter G. Baum ventures into the lair of the Gnomes. gnocl 0.0.5
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=gnocl&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=pgpmoose.200109081847.1728%40non.non.net
http://www.dr-baum.net/gnocl/
Harald Kirsch's rule based execution package updated. Rule the
world! bras 1.3.0
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=bras&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=1&selm=16990fa4.0109090922.5d139d41%40posting.google.com
http://wsd.iitb.fhg.de/~kir/brashome/
Todd M. Helfter puts polish on the already sparkling Oratcl.
Oratcl 3.3
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=oratcl&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=4&selm=9nbfpn%24s51%242%40mozo.cc.purdue.edu
http://oratcl.sourceforge.net
Stefan Finzel gives us handy 'programming helper' packages.
Thanks. sgxTools
http://groups.google.com/groups?th=e73bdc10f8724b4c
http://www.osn.de/user/finzel/html/sgxTools.html
See echoes of the same in the Simple Library
http://mini.net/tcl/525
Jean-Luc Fontaine updates the ultra-cool moodss. Version 18.6
should be able to monitor the galaxy! :) moodss 14.5
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=moodss&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=8&selm=pgpmoose.200106260945.9122%40non.non.net
http://jfontain.free.fr/
Miguel Sofer lives life in the fast lane with bytecode compiler
enhancements. S4
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=announce&start=20&hl=en&group=comp.lang.tcl.*&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=21&selm=3b8fd8f7%240%2493662%248e9e3842%40news.atx.net
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tclengines/
Everything you want is probably one or two clicks away in these pages:
The "Welcome to comp.lang.tcl" message by Andreas Kupries
http://www.purl.org/net/tcl-welcome
Larry Virden maintains a comp.lang.tcl FAQ launcher
http://www.purl.org/NET/Tcl-FAQ/
Brent Welch maintains "The Tcl Developer Xchange", a highly
organized resource center of documents and software with
provisions for individuals to "set up a link to your software
and update ... as you release new versions."
http://tcl.activestate.com/resource/
The Xchange sponsor also keeps info to convince your boss Tcl
is a good thing
http://tcl.activestate.com/scripting/
The Tcl'ers Wiki is a huge, dynamic, collaboratively edited repository
of documentation, examples, tutorials and pontifications on all things Tcl.
http://purl.org/thecliff/tcl/wiki/0.html
For the ideal overview of the topics about Tcl most likely to
interest a newcomer, see "Arts and Crafts ..."
http://mini.net/tcl/969.html
NeoSoft has a comp.lang.tcl contributed sources archive
http://www.neosoft.com/tcl/contributed-software/
Cameron Laird tracks many Tcl/Tk references of interest
http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/comp.lang.tcl/
Cetus Links maintains a Tcl/Tk page with verified links
http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_tcl_tk.html
Google Groups archives comp.lang.tcl.announce posts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcl_announce/
Previous - (U)se the (R)esource, (L)uke! - messages are listed here:
http://purl.org/thecliff/tcl/url.html
--in principal. In spring 2001, though,
http://www.ddj.com/topics/tclurl/
http://tcl.activestate.com:8004/tclurl/
are more consistently up-to-date. A fourth possibility is
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&as_q=+Tcl-URL!&as_ugroup=comp.lang.tcl
Suggestions/corrections for next week's posting are always welcome.
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David Gravereaux
> Whoo hoo! Borland's back in the fray! Tcl only for now, Tk on
> the way. Compilers remaining to be supported: mingw32 (native)
> and lcc.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?th=39888ae4fabebd7b
Add OpenWatcom to the list, too. It isn't ready for release yet, but I'm
working on the makefile stuff for it now in prep. I just opened a branch on CVS
for the work, 'daves-mk-branch' pulled off the HEAD just 2 days ago regarding
experiments in a common 'makefile.win' for launching all the native make tools
that come with each toolset ('cept for mingw, which should stay using the TEA
style).
http://www.openwatcom.org/index.html
http://www.borland.com/bcppbuilder/freecompiler/
http://www.q-software-solutions.com/lccwin32/
http://www.mingw.org/
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David Gravereaux <davy...@pobox.com>
Tomasoft Engineering, Hayward, CA
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