Flag Resorts to NOTSoSubliminal Sex Advertising for L's
Caroline Letkeman
Page 16 is a full page advertisement for the L Rundowns. The graphic
image used to carry the message is a female silhouette, obviously made
to appear naked, arms raised. Four Photoshop "light beams" intersect
at and emphasize a Large "L" (as in "L's"). Two of the four beams
touch the silhouette, one ends at the woman's torso; another travels
across the woman's left groin directly to and highlighting the woman's
crotch, and continues across her right thigh.
<start fair use quote>
UNLEASH THE TWO-BILLION MEGAWATT OT THAT YOU ARE
FLAG-ONLY L's
THE L RUNDOWNS
YOU, your beingness, is so tremendous, actually, that the force and
power of this small 'you' can actually burn down mountains. If it
couldn't, why did they go to so much trouble to fix you so you can't?"
[sic] - LRH
The L Rundowns address your case from a totally OT viewpoint,
vaporizing vast barriers that have been ingrained in that case for a
very, very long time.
Born out of Ron's OT research in the early 70's, each L consists of
actions of such explosive power that they demand the laser precision
of the top trained auditors on the planet--Class XII Auditors.
[...]
DO THE L RUNDOWNS AND TAKE OFF LIKE A ROCKET TO OT
[contact information]
<end quote>
In HCOB 10 August 1982 OT MAXIMS © 1991 L Ron Hubbard Library, Hubbard
"scientifically" defines the power of a "thetan":
[~.~ = italicized]
<start fair use quote>
~ THE POWER (defined as light-year kilotons per microsecond) OF A
THETAN IS MEASURED BY NOTHING ELSE THAN THE DISTANCE (defined as
spherical spatial length) AROUND HIM IN HIS ENVIRONMENT THAT HE CAN
CONTROL.~ [sic]
And that ~is~ the power of a thetan; the totality of it, believe it or
not.
<end quote>
I remember hearing a "win" while in the cult of someone who
demonstrated this definition in clay. The definition itself is taught
as scientifically researched and valid, i.e., it is not a metaphor or
even hyperbole.
Scientology advertising has long played heavily on power complexes to
sell their scam. And now, as above, they are resorting to the sex
sells formula.
Has anyone observed Scientology using sex to sell its religious
services before?
Image posted to abs.
-----------------------------
Caroline Letkeman
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arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com
<caro...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
>
>Has anyone observed Scientology using sex to sell its religious
>services before?
>
sure, pretty bodies are routinely assigned to be placed in
publically visible positions in the org.....
Especially Division 6
The pretty bodies division
>Caroline Letkeman
>
>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
>
>------------------------------
Ferengi + Borg = Scientology
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
Cerridwen
"Caroline Letkeman" <caro...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
news:ldu1vugc92mm3st0k...@4ax.com...
> From Source Magazine 140 © 2002 CSFSO
>
> Page 16 is a full page advertisement for the L Rundowns. The graphic
> image used to carry the message is a female silhouette, obviously made
> to appear naked, arms raised. Four Photoshop "light beams" intersect
> at and emphasize a Large "L" (as in "L's"). Two of the four beams
> touch the silhouette, one ends at the woman's torso; another travels
> across the woman's left groin directly to and highlighting the woman's
> crotch, and continues across her right thigh.
Please stop reading Hubbard's stuff. Stop looking at Scientology
Books and Magazines. Go for a walk. Go do Wog things. Get away from
this stuff for a while and come back at another time.
It will all still be here but you might have a fresh perspective. I
know you will think this is some kind of attempt to get your from being
an effective critic but honestly, you are looking for and finding
things that don't exist. Please take a break.
Don't bother responding with Scieno speak. I am not interested.
--
Cerridwen
OSA Goon
"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who
disagree with you." --Prignillius
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats.htm
Magoo
"Cerridwen" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:YGSJGVW93759...@anonymous.poster...
>
>
> "Caroline Letkeman" <caro...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> news:ldu1vugc92mm3st0k...@4ax.com...
> > From Source Magazine 140 © 2002 CSFSO
> >
> > Page 16 is a full page advertisement for the L Rundowns. The graphic
> > image used to carry the message is a female silhouette, obviously made
> > to appear naked, arms raised. Four Photoshop "light beams" intersect
> > at and emphasize a Large "L" (as in "L's"). Two of the four beams
> > touch the silhouette, one ends at the woman's torso; another travels
> > across the woman's left groin directly to and highlighting the woman's
> > crotch, and continues across her right thigh.
>
>
>
> Please stop reading Hubbard's stuff.
Please stop sounding like OSA> How do you like it? Suggestion: Don't try to
"C/S" people on ARS>>>it really ~~doesn't~~work.
Stop looking at Scientology
> Books and Magazines. Go for a walk. Go do Wog things. Get away from
> this stuff for a while and come back at another time.
What is this...a locational via the Internet? "Go do Wog things"???
Jeeesh.....I suggest you go meet your neighbors, and find out who you really
are.
>
> It will all still be here but you might have a fresh perspective. I
> know you will think this is some kind of attempt to get your from being
> an effective critic but honestly, you are looking for and finding
> things that don't exist.
Errr she quoted a magazine,,,and now you're saying that doesn't exist?
Please take a break.
If anyone should take a walk, it sounds like it should be you.
>
> Don't bother responding with Scieno speak. I am not interested.
SLAT! Damn...there goes the ol puter screen again. C...what is your problem?
This is ...as many critics have said over and over, Usenet, and she can
respond in any language she wants. It's her "Comm cycle"...babe.
(Magoo ducks, awaiting Cerrwindies cranky response.... :)
Tory/Magoo!
X-OSA Volunteer
X-Scientologist after 30 years "in"
LaserClam
>From: Caroline Letkeman caro...@gerryarmstrong.org
>Date: 12/6/02 2:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <ldu1vugc92mm3st0k...@4ax.com>
>
>
>Scientology advertising has long played heavily on power complexes to
>sell their scam. And now, as above, they are resorting to the sex
>sells formula.
>
>Has anyone observed Scientology using sex to sell its religious
>services before?
Are you trying to get someone to find out that they are in a condition
of treason on the second dynamic?
Cerridwen
news:uH9I9.41033$vM1.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<snip>
Tory,
Of the many critics here you are the one that disappoints me
the most.
If you really cared about this woman you would help her to get away from
Scientology. I can't believe you can't see that she is drowning.
Call me OSA all you want. It won't help your friend Caroline.
Let me know when you are ready to break out of the second Truman Show
that you have found yourself in. I guess no body told you there was a
second door.
You may not be ready to do that just yet. Just like an Indoctrinated
Scientologist, you already know everything there is to know. Right?
--
Cerridwen
Magoo
"Cerridwen" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
> "Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:uH9I9.41033$vM1.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> <snip>
>
> Tory,
>
> Of the many critics here you are the one that disappoints me
> the most.
Ahhh sorry about that. How long were you in Scientology, C, and how far did
you get up the Bridge? Please fill me in, so I can get out my "Disappointed"
meter.
Sure...I may disappoint you. Considering the *crap* I've taken from people
here on ARS since I left....that rates about a ...mmmmm......2...so not bad,
really. All kidding aside, I'm doing my best to heal and strip off crap. If
you have some good suggestions, Please send them my way. Telling me how
disappointed you are is about as helpful as me telling you I don't like your
name. So?
>
> If you really cared about this woman you would help her to get away from
> Scientology. I can't believe you can't see that she is drowning.
Sorry....but first off, I don't read many posts, so I haven't AT ALL kept up
with what Caroline has written. So no, I am not noticing how she is
drowning. Secondly, in this post it seemed she was writing about an article
she read. How is that drowning? I need more information, vs opinion.
>
> Call me OSA all you want. It won't help your friend Caroline.
I never said it would.
>
> Let me know when you are ready to break out of the second Truman Show
> that you have found yourself in. I guess no body told you there was a
> second door.
I've actually broken through many since I left....way more than you'll
probably ever know. But if you ever get to LA.>>>or if you're in LA>>>call
me, and we'll talk.
Until, what people have told me and what I know is way more than you will
learn here.
>
> You may not be ready to do that just yet.
How patronizing.
Just like an Indoctrinated
> Scientologist, you already know everything there is to know. Right?
If I already knew everything,,,,I wouldn't be here. Shame on you for making
such a shitty statement. You disappoint me.
Tory/Magoo!
Warrior
Hi. First off I'd like to say I like you and the cheer you bring to a.r.s.
I also like your honesty and willingness to communicate in a civil manner.
I wanted to call you earlier today, but I don't have your current phone
number, or I would have called.
Mainly, I'm posting this to point out the following to you:
1) The individual who posted the message below (the one you replied
to) is not necessarily the same person who has previously as "Cerridwen".
2) As you are aware, certain individuals have forged postings using
others' names. I myself have been the target of thousands of "sporgeries"
made by individuals like James Rego and his associates. (By the way, I
never saw any evidence whatsoever that you made a single forged postings.)
3) Since the post below made by "Cerridwen" was made through an anon-
ymous remailer, there is *no* way to know *who* made the posting.
4) Since the posting is not signed by PGP, there is no way to verify
that the posting was made by the same individual who has previously used
that nickname.
5) In short, no one *except* for the poster him/herself knows if the
post was made by the same person or persons who have previously posted
as "Cerridwen".
6) The exception to the above (as far as who could really know) is the
person running the anonymous remailer through which the postings have
been made.
If you have any questions, please call me.
And if you don't, I'd still enjoy talking with you. :)
Carry on. In my opinion, you're doing fine!
All the best,
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.xenu.ca
In article <zdgI9.47136$hK4.4...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Magoo" says...
roger gonnet
"LaserClam" <lase...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
20021206225234...@mb-bj.aol.com...
> >
> >From: Caroline Letkeman caro...@gerryarmstrong.org
> >Date: 12/6/02 2:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <ldu1vugc92mm3st0k...@4ax.com>
> >
>
>
> Are you trying to get someone to find out that they are in a
condition
> of treason on the second dynamic?
Did you observe that indeed, most scienos (and more specifically, all
those really negaged and being parents of children) are in such a
"condition" because of the cult's treason against themselves?
r
roger gonnet
"arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com" <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> a
écrit dans le message de news: 3df0fd06....@news.verizon.net...
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:25:48 +0100, Caroline Letkeman
> <caro...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Has anyone observed Scientology using sex to sell its religious
> >services before?
> >
>
> sure, pretty bodies are routinely assigned to be placed in
> publically visible positions in the org.....
uhm, no, bodies are in the -- SHOP-- . Did you forget the correct
hubbie's language re orgs?
roger
An Metet
>"Caroline Letkeman" <caro...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
>news:ldu1vugc92mm3st0k...@4ax.com...
>> From Source Magazine 140 © 2002 CSFSO
>> Page 16 is a full page advertisement for the L Rundowns. The graphic
>> image used to carry the message is a female silhouette, obviously made
>> to appear naked, arms raised. Four Photoshop "light beams" intersect
>> at and emphasize a Large "L" (as in "L's"). Two of the four beams
>> touch the silhouette, one ends at the woman's torso; another travels
>> across the woman's left groin directly to and highlighting the woman's
>> crotch, and continues across her right thigh.
>Please stop reading Hubbard's stuff. Stop looking at Scientology
>Books and Magazines. Go for a walk. Go do Wog things. Get away from
>this stuff for a while and come back at another time.
>
>It will all still be here but you might have a fresh perspective. I
>know you will think this is some kind of attempt to get you from being
>an effective critic but honestly, you are looking for and finding
>things that don't exist. Please take a break.
>
>Don't bother responding with Scieno speak. I am not interested.
I was eating a chicken dinner and reading the magazine when I turned a page
and saw the advertisement. Chicken to chickie. One beam to her torso.
Another to her crotch.
I couldn't stop chewing.
It was devilish.
Caroline's on to something.
ExScn
> Are you trying to get someone to find out that they are in a condition
>of treason on the second dynamic?
I really don't expect any sort of rational reply to this, but I'll try
anyway.
You have been universally dismissed as someone who is trying to run
some sort of 'Black Dianetics/Scientology' with your painfully
dumb-ass questions, but you have intimated in one of your very rare
'originations' that it is all about 'Missed Witholds'.
For example you postulated in one of these posts that all drug
addiction problems were caused entirely by this W/M/WH stuff.
So, are all these repetitive 'auditing questions' your heroic attempt
to pull witholds/missed witholds and so cure ars of its suppressive
attempts to avoid being found out as the the criminal entity that all
enlightened minds know it to be ?
Enquiring minds want to know just how mind-mangled you are, that's all
:)
Cerridwen
>
> "Cerridwen" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
> news:VH2IZLIS3...@anonymous.poster...
> > "Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:uH9I9.41033$vM1.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Tory,
> >
> > Of the many critics here you are the one that disappoints me
> > the most.
>
> Ahhh sorry about that. How long were you in Scientology, C, and how
far did
> you get up the Bridge? Please fill me in, so I can get out
my "Disappointed"
> meter.
Like you I was in Scn for 30 years. I am also an "OT". I have posted
Anon since early 2001. I was here lurking when you were posting as
Magoo the Scientologist and I have followed your posts since then.
I post anon as I am not interested in becoming one of "Scientology's
fair game victims" {tm}or a full time professional victim. I like the
fact that I have my life back and can come here to ars and post data
about Stats and other information I receive about the C of S.
Ars to me is a ~newsgroup~ not a self help group or a group where
dysfunctional ex Scientologists should congregate and put
their "victimization" all over the place.
>
> Sure...I may disappoint you. Considering the *crap* I've taken from
people
> here on ARS since I left....that rates about a ...mmmmm......2...so
not bad,
> really
I know, I've seen it. You have taken a lot of crap from many people.
But there are others here that care about you quite a bit.
All kidding aside, I'm doing my best to heal and strip off crap. If
> you have some good suggestions, Please send them my way. Telling me
how
> disappointed you are is about as helpful as me telling you I don't
like your
> name. So?
My suggestion is to never stop looking at the Scn indoctrination. I
know you work on getting this stuff stripped away. I read your posts,
and I see when you realize that you have been running their crap on
yourself. It's been very helpful and enlightening to read those types
of posts.
There are a handful of Ex- Scientologists here that all pretty much
repeat the same PR line. That line is " Don't DO OSA's work." Now on
first thought, that makes a whole lot of sense. But then looking a bit
deeper, I have come to realize that it's not a good strategy at all if
it means that one is not able to criticize other critics or speak
freely.
"Don't Do OSA's work" should mean, don't out people, don't give osa
personal information about people that could harm them, don't talk
about strategies to expose C of S crap so that they are forewarned.
That's what Don't DO OSA's WORK means. It does not mean "Don't
criticize other critics" or "Don't speak freely".
If one critic is saying something that is wrong, stupid, a lie or any
thing that is irresponsible, they should be taken to task for it.
Because THAT IS HOW IT WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD. In the Scn world one
does not criticize other Scientologists, they don't criticize
the "leaders". I don't think we should have that same kind of mindset
here. Criticism is bad in Scn. In the real world critical thinking
and criticism in general is accepted and even considered a valuable
tool.
Of course one doesn't have to be rude and obnoxious when criticizing
but that is the nature of usenet and nothing is going to change it. IF
Ex's don't want to be criticized or taken to task for what they posts
then they should leave. They should NOT cry about how they
are "Scientology's fair game victims" {tm} and no one should say
anything mean to them.
God that is soooo Scnish of them. Can you see that?
It is my belief that if some is going to post here, and they
post a kooky bullshit post, then they should be called on it. Just
because they have decided to be a professional long term victim of
scientology doesn't mean they have carte blanche to say
what ever they want.
Don't be offended but I really think you need to relook over this issue
of freedom of speech and "Doing OSA's Work" and any Scn programming you
may still be operating on. Freedom of peech, including the Freedom to
Criticize others is far more important than worrying about
OSA's programs.
My view on it is FUCK OSA'S STATS AND THEIR PROGRAMS I will say what I
want to say when I want to say it and I don't give a shit about them.
They no longer control what I say and I resent efforts by you and
others to control what I or others here say.
I know your reasons because trying to control communication and
criticism is "for a good cause" but honestly Tory, I no longer agree
with that kind of mindset.
> >
> > If you really cared about this woman you would help her to get away
from
> > Scientology. I can't believe you can't see that she is drowning.
>
> Sorry....but first off, I don't read many posts, so I haven't AT ALL
kept up
> with what Caroline has written. So no, I am not noticing how she is
> drowning. Secondly, in this post it seemed she was writing about an
article
> she read. How is that drowning? I need more information, vs opinion.
She posted the picture of the ad she was referring to on abs. Go take
a look Caroline is looking for and finding secret hidden messages in
things that don't exist. She has given a lot of years to Scn. They have
taken away her daughter. She is now hooked up with a guy who fancies
himself as King of "Scientology's fair game victims" {tm}
and he obviously enjoys that status. In the meantime, Caroline posts
reports of seeing hings that aren't there. It's time to take a walk,
which is not ONLY something Scientologists do. Normal people do that
do, to get away from stuff that is bad for them.
>> >
> > Let me know when you are ready to break out of the second Truman
Show
> > that you have found yourself in. I guess no body told you there
was a
> > second door.
>
> I've actually broken through many since I left....way more than
you'll
> probably ever know.
I am sure that is true.
But if you ever get to LA.>>>or if you're in LA>>>call
> me, and we'll talk.
> Until, what people have told me and what I know is way more than you
will
> learn here.
I'm sure.
> >
> > You may not be ready to do that just yet.
>
> How patronizing.
>
> Just like an Indoctrinated
> > Scientologist, you already know everything there is to know. Right?
>
> If I already knew everything,,,,I wouldn't be here. Shame on you for
making
> such a shitty statement. You disappoint me.
Part of getting rid of the Scn Indoc is to be willing to admit you have
been wrong and also willing to look at beliefs you hold firmly in
place. You've done a lot of that, just don't get stuck in a rut like
many of the other ex's here who still have big chunks of he Indoc but
are cluelessly unaware of it and resent others for pointing it out to
them and accuse others of "doing OSA's work" when it is pointed out.
--
Cerridwen
OSA GOON
ExScn
(Cerridwen) wrote:
>I post anon as I am not interested in becoming one of "Scientology's
>fair game victims" {tm}or a full time professional victim. I like the
>fact that I have my life back and can come here to ars and post data
>about Stats and other information I receive about the C of S.
>Ars to me is a ~newsgroup~ not a self help group or a group where
>dysfunctional ex Scientologists should congregate and put
>their "victimization" all over the place.
Ahhh.. the new Golden Era of Criticism :)))
> "Don't Do OSA's work" should mean, don't out people, don't give osa
>personal information about people that could harm them, don't talk
>about strategies to expose C of S crap so that they are forewarned.
>That's what Don't DO OSA's WORK means. It does not mean "Don't
>criticize other critics" or "Don't speak freely".
Sounds fairly obvious to me. I wonder how come so many have trouble
grappling with this concept ?
>If one critic is saying something that is wrong, stupid, a lie or any
>thing that is irresponsible, they should be taken to task for it.
Oooohhh ! You're treading on some legendary (in their own minds)
critics' toes now, Cerri !
>Because THAT IS HOW IT WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD.
Alas, I fear many of the posters here know not of what you speak.
> It is my belief that if some is going to post here, and they
>post a kooky bullshit post, then they should be called on it. Just
>because they have decided to be a professional long term victim of
>scientology doesn't mean they have carte blanche to say
>what ever they want.
Hey, hey ! Just a minute ! Gerry's graduated from victim to Prophet
of God now and being a certified loon and saying whatever you want is
part of a prophet's job description - just ask Roland if you don't
believe me.
>Part of getting rid of the Scn Indoc is to be willing to admit you have
>been wrong and also willing to look at beliefs you hold firmly in
>place. You've done a lot of that, just don't get stuck in a rut like
>many of the other ex's here who still have big chunks of he Indoc but
>are cluelessly unaware of it and resent others for pointing it out to
>them and accuse others of "doing OSA's work" when it is pointed out.
Again, so very simple but beyond so many.
I know I'm butting in on your 'comm' with Magoo, but I think that so
much of what you have to say is so valuable I can't help myself.
Did you used to post as 'Unindoc' or something similar ? I confess
didn't read many of those but what I did read seems similar to your
current posts.
Best Regards
Thomas Gandow
ExScn wrote:
> Enquiring minds want to know just how mind-mangled you are, that's all
> :)
>
Hey Cerridwen, ExScn, NomenNescio it's You who is a little bit
mind-mingled.
Your game is over, triple poster of the month.
But ptsc still knows:
"Starshadow isn't OSA, Diane isn't OSA, Cerridwen isn't OSA, I'm
not OSA, every single person who disagrees with Gerry Armstrong
isn't OSA, and only a lunatic would even be making these
accusations in the first place."
Every single person?
Cerridwen is not only two single persons.
I wonder who of the Goon Squad is next exposed by Caroline as a
troll.
TG
>
Steve Holroyd
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, in article <pi84vu8m7bpefa2kr52u5j2nev8c0dl7me@4ax.c
om>, ExScn <no...@thnx.net> writes
>On 7 Dec 2002 15:27:43 -0000, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header
>(Cerridwen) wrote:
>
>>I post anon as I am not interested in becoming one of "Scientology's
>>fair game victims" {tm}or a full time professional victim. I like the
>>fact that I have my life back and can come here to ars and post data
>>about Stats and other information I receive about the C of S.
>>Ars to me is a ~newsgroup~ not a self help group or a group where
>>dysfunctional ex Scientologists should congregate and put
>>their "victimization" all over the place.
>
>Ahhh.. the new Golden Era of Criticism :)))
>
>> "Don't Do OSA's work" should mean, don't out people, don't give osa
>>personal information about people that could harm them, don't talk
>>about strategies to expose C of S crap so that they are forewarned.
>>That's what Don't DO OSA's WORK means. It does not mean "Don't
>>criticize other critics" or "Don't speak freely".
>
>Sounds fairly obvious to me. I wonder how come so many have trouble
>grappling with this concept ?
>
Because they want to control the opinions that people express on this
newsgroup? Because they want to make certain people beyond criticism?
Because they want to use the threat of the OSA bogeyman to silence
dissent?
>>If one critic is saying something that is wrong, stupid, a lie or any
>>thing that is irresponsible, they should be taken to task for it.
>
>Oooohhh ! You're treading on some legendary (in their own minds)
>critics' toes now, Cerri !
>
Hmmm. Are you talking about the arrogant and egotistical Gerry
Armstrong, chairman and CEO of the Gerry Armstrong Corporation (no doubt
located at suite 100, Gerry Armstrong tower, Gerry Armstrong Plaza,
Armstrongville)?
>>Because THAT IS HOW IT WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD.
>
>Alas, I fear many of the posters here know not of what you speak.
>
>> It is my belief that if some is going to post here, and they
>>post a kooky bullshit post, then they should be called on it. Just
>>because they have decided to be a professional long term victim of
>>scientology doesn't mean they have carte blanche to say
>>what ever they want.
>
>Hey, hey ! Just a minute ! Gerry's graduated from victim to Prophet
>of God now and being a certified loon and saying whatever you want is
>part of a prophet's job description - just ask Roland if you don't
>believe me.
>
Is that the same Gerry Armstrong who sticks a pencil in each nostril and
gibbers on about "pretended stupidity" (and other really, really,
really, really, really weird stuff)?
>>Part of getting rid of the Scn Indoc is to be willing to admit you have
>>been wrong and also willing to look at beliefs you hold firmly in
>>place. You've done a lot of that, just don't get stuck in a rut like
>>many of the other ex's here who still have big chunks of he Indoc but
>>are cluelessly unaware of it and resent others for pointing it out to
>>them and accuse others of "doing OSA's work" when it is pointed out.
>
>Again, so very simple but beyond so many.
>
>I know I'm butting in on your 'comm' with Magoo, but I think that so
>much of what you have to say is so valuable I can't help myself.
>
Same here.
>Did you used to post as 'Unindoc' or something similar ? I confess
>didn't read many of those but what I did read seems similar to your
>current posts.
>
>Best Regards
>
>
- --
SteveH
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Diane Richardson
<gan...@dialogzentrum.de> wrote:
>
>
>ExScn wrote:
>
>
>> Enquiring minds want to know just how mind-mangled you are, that's all
>> :)
>>
>
>Hey Cerridwen, ExScn, NomenNescio it's You who is a little bit
>mind-mingled.
>Your game is over, triple poster of the month.
Grabdough is hallucinating. That's not surprising; when Grabdough's
Prophet of God (R) commands him to hallucinate, he kowtows and
hallucinates. Too bad Gradough's Prophet of God has nothing to do
with Christianity, though.
>But ptsc still knows:
>
>"Starshadow isn't OSA, Diane isn't OSA, Cerridwen isn't OSA, I'm
>not OSA, every single person who disagrees with Gerry Armstrong
>isn't OSA, and only a lunatic would even be making these
>accusations in the first place."
>
>Every single person?
>Cerridwen is not only two single persons.
That's what Your Prophet of God (R) has spoken so that's the delusion
You spout, Grabdough.
>I wonder who of the Goon Squad is next exposed by Caroline as a
>troll.
Your Prophet of God (R), the Gerroline Unit, has not exposed anyone,
Grabdough. But since You are incapable of doubting Your Prophet
of God (R), You will incomprehendingly mouth the words Your Prophet
of God (R) places in Your mouth.
>TG
What ever happened to the First Commandment, Grabdough? If
you've never read it, it's the one that says "Thou shalt have no other
gods before Me."
Diane Richardson
ref...@bway.net
ExScn
<gan...@dialogzentrum.de> wrote:
>ExScn wrote:
>
>
>> Enquiring minds want to know just how mind-mangled you are, that's all
>> :)
>>
>
>Hey Cerridwen, ExScn, NomenNescio it's You who is a little bit
>mind-mingled.
>Your game is over, triple poster of the month.
<sigh, sigh, sigh>
How is that alleged critics like Gandow are so god-awful ignorant ?
It's as though he's been barred from acquiring any sort of reality
based know-how, let alone anything as complex as the internet. Is his
cult some Hamish offshoot ?
It's as though OSA employed guys him to come here just to to discredit
critics.
Hell, now I'm starting to think like Loony Lerma, Phrenetic Phil Scott
& Lapyappy Lynn.
But just where do morons like Gandow come from ?
(Okay, somewhere in Germany I know, but did Bob Minton actually go
looking for him , or was he specifically bred stupid ?)
>But ptsc still knows:
>
>"Starshadow isn't OSA, Diane isn't OSA, Cerridwen isn't OSA, I'm
>not OSA, every single person who disagrees with Gerry Armstrong
>isn't OSA, and only a lunatic would even be making these
>accusations in the first place."
Yes, this everybody with even a slim grasp on sanity knows. Why are
you repeating it ?
>Every single person?
>Cerridwen is not only two single persons.
>
>I wonder who of the Goon Squad is next exposed by Caroline as a
>troll.
I think Caroline would be battling to expose as much as her ankles,
but you continue to expose yourself as a total loon. You really need
to find another vocation Rev, one that doesn't require critical
thinking or anything to do with them 'puter things.
Steve Holroyd
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, in article <3DF23706...@dialogzentrum.de>,
Thomas Gandow <gan...@dialogzentrum.de> writes
Yeah, but didn't she also "expose" some other people based on her
inability to understand the traceroute information displayed in
VisualRoute?
- --
SteveH
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Deana Holmes
news:3DF23706...@dialogzentrum.de:
> I wonder who of the Goon Squad is next exposed by Caroline as a
> troll.
<snort>
Care to tell us who your supervisor is, Reverend Grabdough. And a phone
number and snail mail address. I think it's important to let this person
know that you're supporting a kook who violates copyright and engages in
sleazy defamation.
Deana M. Holmes
mir...@sonic.net
ExScn
<Ste...@excise-this.Almery.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, in article <pi84vu8m7bpefa2kr52u5j2nev8c0dl7me@4ax.c
>om>, ExScn <no...@thnx.net> writes
>>Sounds fairly obvious to me. I wonder how come so many have trouble
>>grappling with this concept ?
>>
>Because they want to control the opinions that people express on this
>newsgroup? Because they want to make certain people beyond criticism?
>Because they want to use the threat of the OSA bogeyman to silence
>dissent?
Well, you may think that but I couldn't possibly say such a thing :)
>Hmmm. Are you talking about the arrogant and egotistical Gerry
>Armstrong, chairman and CEO of the Gerry Armstrong Corporation (no doubt
>located at suite 100, Gerry Armstrong tower, Gerry Armstrong Plaza,
>Armstrongville)?
Mmmm. Does he have a twin brother ?
>Is that the same Gerry Armstrong who sticks a pencil in each nostril and
>gibbers on about "pretended stupidity" (and other really, really,
>really, really, really weird stuff)?
I think so, but I admit I got swamped in all the double negatives and
couldn't work out whether he was actually admitting to be as stupid as
we all know he is, but in fact was being cunningly stupid in his
OSA-thwarting diablolical plan to (stupid as it was) merely pretend to
be stupid and so cleverly throw them off the scent.
Hey - I just cut and pasted that - I don't pretend to know what it
means. It probably translates well in Aramaic, and reads better on
clay tablets.
>>I know I'm butting in on your 'comm' with Magoo, but I think that so
>>much of what you have to say is so valuable I can't help myself.
>
>Same here.
Another Cerri fan :) She will be pleased. 'they still like me, they
still like me'
Cerridwen
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
--------------------------------------------------------
"Steve Holroyd" <Ste...@excise-this.Almery.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:t1npKIAW...@almery.demon.co.uk...
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, in article <3DF23706...@dialogzentrum.de>,
> Thomas Gandow <gan...@dialogzentrum.de> writes
> >
> >
> >ExScn wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Enquiring minds want to know just how mind-mangled you are, that's
all
> >> :)
> >>
> >
> >Hey Cerridwen, ExScn, NomenNescio it's You who is a little bit
> >mind-mingled.
> >Your game is over, triple poster of the month.
> >
> >
> >But ptsc still knows:
> >
> >"Starshadow isn't OSA, Diane isn't OSA, Cerridwen isn't OSA, I'm
> >not OSA, every single person who disagrees with Gerry Armstrong
> >isn't OSA, and only a lunatic would even be making these
> >accusations in the first place."
> >
> >Every single person?
> >Cerridwen is not only two single persons.
> >
> >I wonder who of the Goon Squad is next exposed by Caroline as a
> >troll.
>
> Yeah, but didn't she also "expose" some other people based on her
> inability to understand the traceroute information displayed in
> VisualRoute?
Bingo!
She should hook up with Virginia and Mike. Both Caroline and Virginia
like to "expose" people and both Mike and Gerry speak directly to a
higher power.
--
Cerridwen
Triple Agent/Cunning OSA GOON.
Starshadow
Just when I was thinking insanity reigns, some sanity descends.
Thanks, all. Thanks, Cerridwen.
---
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow KoX, Sp4, and now on a "cult critic's" hate page
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/goon-squad-follies.html
for the High Crime of Disagreeing with self-made cult victim Gerry
Armstrong and Caroline Letkeman.
For the real truth about cults go to www.xenu.net
Warrior
>
>Yeah, but didn't she also "expose" some other people based on her
>inability to understand the traceroute information displayed in
>VisualRoute?
In a manner of speaking, yes. But Caroline quickly realized her error
when I politely pointed it out to her. She's learned a lot more about
this subject since then -- June 2001. We all make mistakes now and then.
Caroline is capable of admitting she's made a mistake and learning from
it. Compared to her understanding of it now, she was a relative newbie
on the subject back then.
I had the nerve to tell her she had made a mistake, but I never felt the
need to be abusive towards her for her crime of being human.
Mark Bunker
wrote:
KR time for Deana M. Holmes.
-----------------------------------------------------------
"You have got to have my permission to reproduce my post *anywhere*.
Failure to get that permission will cause me to go to Rev. Grabdough's
superiors in Germany. Trust me, you don't want that to happen."
---- Deana M. Holmes stomps her feet and threatens a minister
-----------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Robertson
"ExScn" <no...@thnx.net> wrote in message
news:8me4vukgtq3ujq0eg...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:59:34 +0100, Thomas Gandow
> <gan...@dialogzentrum.de> wrote:
>
> >ExScn wrote:
> >
> >> Enquiring minds want to know just how mind-mangled you are, that's
all
> >> :)
> >>
> >Hey Cerridwen, ExScn, NomenNescio it's You who is a little bit
> >mind-mingled.
> >Your game is over, triple poster of the month.
>
> <sigh, sigh, sigh>
>
> How is that alleged critics like Gandow are so god-awful ignorant ?
> It's as though he's been barred from acquiring any sort of reality
> based know-how, let alone anything as complex as the internet. Is his
> cult some Hamish offshoot ?
Hamish? Perhaps a Scottish offshoot of an offshoot?
> It's as though OSA employed guys him to come here just to to discredit
> critics.
> Hell, now I'm starting to think like Loony Lerma, Phrenetic Phil Scott
> & Lapyappy Lynn.
Good thing you didn't include Zinj in the above cast. I've been racking
my brain for a suitable alliterative pejorative for him but can't think
of anything.
> But just where do morons like Gandow come from?
Just being helpful, but if I wanted to find him I'd try looking in the
Berlin phonebook for the Sect Commissioner of the Berlin-Brandenburg
Church. Though if you do contact him, be warned that although he calls
himself a Christian, he regularly breaks the 11th Commandment, "Thou
shalt not capitalize possessive pronouns."
> (Okay, somewhere in Germany I know, but did Bob Minton actually go
> looking for him , or was he specifically bred stupid ?)
The Reverend Gandow or Bob Minton?
Best wishes
Andrew Robertson
'I had the nerve to tell her she had made a mistake, but I never felt
michael pattinson
> From Source Magazine 140 © 2002 CSFSO
>
> Page 16 is a full page advertisement for the L Rundowns. The graphic
> image used to carry the message is a female silhouette, obviously made
> to appear naked, arms raised. Four Photoshop "light beams" intersect
> at and emphasize a Large "L" (as in "L's"). Two of the four beams
> touch the silhouette, one ends at the woman's torso; another travels
> across the woman's left groin directly to and highlighting the woman's
> crotch, and continues across her right thigh.
There are only two letters different between PR and PORN, and the cult
uses any buttons it can find to spur clams into shelling-out their
valuables for the "unknown beneficiaries" of the Scientology
enterprise.
Anything at all that gives money to Scientology is considered to be
"ethical business activities", even when they get caught (like Reed
Slatkin). They disown the person but keep the money and the afterglow
of the dying embers of lives ruined by their greed.
M.
****************************
> <start fair use quote>
>
> UNLEASH THE TWO-BILLION MEGAWATT OT THAT YOU ARE
>
> FLAG-ONLY L's
> THE L RUNDOWNS
>
> YOU, your beingness, is so tremendous, actually, that the force and
> power of this small 'you' can actually burn down mountains. If it
> couldn't, why did they go to so much trouble to fix you so you can't?"
> [sic] - LRH
>
> The L Rundowns address your case from a totally OT viewpoint,
> vaporizing vast barriers that have been ingrained in that case for a
> very, very long time.
>
> Born out of Ron's OT research in the early 70's, each L consists of
> actions of such explosive power that they demand the laser precision
> of the top trained auditors on the planet--Class XII Auditors.
>
> [...]
>
> DO THE L RUNDOWNS AND TAKE OFF LIKE A ROCKET TO OT
>
> [contact information]
> <end quote>
>
> In HCOB 10 August 1982 OT MAXIMS © 1991 L Ron Hubbard Library, Hubbard
> "scientifically" defines the power of a "thetan":
> [~.~ = italicized]
>
> <start fair use quote>
> ~ THE POWER (defined as light-year kilotons per microsecond) OF A
> THETAN IS MEASURED BY NOTHING ELSE THAN THE DISTANCE (defined as
> spherical spatial length) AROUND HIM IN HIS ENVIRONMENT THAT HE CAN
> CONTROL.~ [sic]
>
> And that ~is~ the power of a thetan; the totality of it, believe it or
> not.
> <end quote>
>
> I remember hearing a "win" while in the cult of someone who
> demonstrated this definition in clay. The definition itself is taught
> as scientifically researched and valid, i.e., it is not a metaphor or
> even hyperbole.
>
> Scientology advertising has long played heavily on power complexes to
> sell their scam. And now, as above, they are resorting to the sex
> sells formula.
>
> Has anyone observed Scientology using sex to sell its religious
> services before?
>
> Image posted to abs.
>
>
> -----------------------------
Rene Descartes
> From Source Magazine 140 © 2002 CSFSO
>
> Page 16 is a full page advertisement for the L Rundowns. The graphic
> image used to carry the message is a female silhouette, obviously made
> to appear naked, arms raised. Four Photoshop "light beams" intersect
> at and emphasize a Large "L" (as in "L's"). Two of the four beams
> touch the silhouette, one ends at the woman's torso; another travels
> across the woman's left groin directly to and highlighting the woman's
> crotch, and continues across her right thigh.
>
> Caroline Letkeman
HA HA!! I can see it now. Someday they could potentially promote
that the use of their rundowns can be used intead of Viagra! And
that the results will be even better!!
Sorry I just had to throw that one in!
RD00
ExScn
<a...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>"ExScn" <no...@thnx.net> wrote in message
>Hamish? Perhaps a Scottish offshoot of an offshoot?
Hehe :)
Tilman Hausherr
<7p36vug6r7veioio8...@4ax.com>:
>In <jic5vukp3jfgtf0v1...@4ax.com>, Mark Bunker
><mbunk...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:17:36 GMT, Deana Holmes <mir...@sonic.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Thomas Gandow <gan...@dialogzentrum.de> wrote in
>>>news:3DF23706...@dialogzentrum.de:
>>>
>>>> I wonder who of the Goon Squad is next exposed by Caroline as a
>>>> troll.
>>>
>>><snort>
>>>
>>>Care to tell us who your supervisor is, Reverend Grabdough. And a phone
>>>number and snail mail address. I think it's important to let this person
>>>know that you're supporting a kook who violates copyright and engages in
>>>sleazy defamation.
>>>
>>>Deana M. Holmes
>>>mir...@sonic.net
>>
>>KR time for Deana M. Holmes.
>
>Ya, she needs to disclose who her employer is, her business address, and
Does she even have a job? Something that goes beyond the art of flipping
a burger or cleaning a windshield?
Tilman
--
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