Mail and wrap 72 char ?
Joakim Wendel
input to 72 characters per line, not sure i had it do this before but i
sortof recall the marker going by itself earlier ...
All help appreciated !
J.
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Dan Lowe
> I seem to be unable to find howto make Mail.app automatically wrap my
> input to 72 characters per line, not sure i had it do this before but i
> sortof recall the marker going by itself earlier ...
> All help appreciated !
Mail uses the x-flowed format, it wraps the actual message text sent out to
something like 72 or 75 characters, but when you view it in Mail.app (or in
something else that understands x-flowed) it will wrap to the window width.
IOW if you're worried about offending people on text clients who care about
line length, don't worry about it.
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Joakim Wendel
Dan Lowe <d...@ingeni.us> wrote:
> Joakim Wendel <nore...@bostreammail.net> wrote:
> > I seem to be unable to find howto make Mail.app automatically wrap my
> > input to 72 characters per line, not sure i had it do this before but i
> > sortof recall the marker going by itself earlier ...
> > All help appreciated !
>
> Mail uses the x-flowed format, it wraps the actual message text sent out to
> something like 72 or 75 characters, but when you view it in Mail.app (or in
> something else that understands x-flowed) it will wrap to the window width.
>
> IOW if you're worried about offending people on text clients who care about
> line length, don't worry about it.
Thank's for replying !
No i was sending a little piece i was hoping to get published as an
article in a newspaper and when i got it back as quoted reply i saw that
it was a total mess wrap wise :(
(not very important but it's easier to read when not a mess)
Is the "x-flow" something you can turn off ?
Btw i write this post in MT-Newswatcher and it automatically wraps at 72
characters, brilliant feature ...
John Hill
> I seem to be unable to find howto make Mail.app automatically wrap my
> input to 72 characters per line, not sure i had it do this before but i
> sortof recall the marker going by itself earlier ...
> All help appreciated !
Mail.app seems to have a mind of its own when it comes to line lengths.
I've experienced situations in which the normal wrap-to-window is
suddenly suspended in favour of wrap-to-something-else, as though there
was a format rule in operation with tabs and margins. I can't see any
way of defeating this (except, in some cases, going to plain text and
then back again).
This can arise partway through a message, especially if it contains
quoted text chunks.
It doesn't seem to happen in plain text format, BTW, but sometimes when
answering e-mails it's convenient to answer in the format received.
If there is a ruler there, I'd like to find it!
As an experiment, try formatting some text with tabs in it in TextEdit
and pasting the result into Mail.app. - the formatting is preserved, and
is different from pasting the same text containing tabs into Mail.app as
plain text.
I'm still having problems with the new Apple concept of WYSIWYG in which
changing the width of a window can affect the point size of the text
that is printed.
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Dan Lowe
>
> No i was sending a little piece i was hoping to get published as an
> article in a newspaper and when i got it back as quoted reply i saw that
> it was a total mess wrap wise :(
> (not very important but it's easier to read when not a mess)
That doesn't necessarily have to do with how they got it. What you read
was generated by their mail software, not Mail.app.
When dealing with plaintext it wraps at 70-some characters and uses
x-flowed. Really what that means is that the message is marked as x-flowed
in the headers (Content-Transfer-Encoding, I think), and any line which is
supposed to be joined to the line following ends with a space. Lines which
aren't supposed to join to the next line don't have the trailing space.
Clients that understand x-flowed know what to do; those that don't are fine
too, since they just have regular lines, and don't really care that the
space at the end is there.
> Is the "x-flow" something you can turn off ?
Not as far as I know.
Note that this is when dealing in plaintext composition. I'm not sure how
things are handled when using rich text since I don't use it.
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Joakim Wendel
Dan Lowe <d...@ingeni.us> wrote:
Great reply TY!
So what you are saying is that if i want to know how my plain text
messages look when i send them i'll have to use something like BBEdit
and wrap the text to 70 and then cut and paste it to Mail.app ?
It makes sense but isn't very convenient ...
Dan Lowe
>
> So what you are saying is that if i want to know how my plain text
> messages look when i send them i'll have to use something like BBEdit
> and wrap the text to 70 and then cut and paste it to Mail.app ?
> It makes sense but isn't very convenient ...
Is where the line breaks are critically important, or do you just care that
they wrap at a conservative length?
If the former, then yes, you would probably need to edit outside Mail.app.
If the latter, just use Mail.app and don't worry.
You can see how Mail.app behaves by sending yourself an email with it, then
view the raw message (Cmd-Opt-u).
-dan
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Joakim Wendel
Dan Lowe <d...@ingeni.us> wrote:
> Joakim Wendel <nore...@bostreammail.net> wrote:
> >
> > So what you are saying is that if i want to know how my plain text
> > messages look when i send them i'll have to use something like BBEdit
> > and wrap the text to 70 and then cut and paste it to Mail.app ?
> > It makes sense but isn't very convenient ...
>
> Is where the line breaks are critically important, or do you just care that
> they wrap at a conservative length?
>
> If the former, then yes, you would probably need to edit outside Mail.app.
>
> If the latter, just use Mail.app and don't worry.
>
> You can see how Mail.app behaves by sending yourself an email with it, then
> view the raw message (Cmd-Opt-u).
>
> -dan
(They are in Swedish...)
example 1)
What i want, preferrably automatic:
Jag såg att Bjurströms artikel fortfarande ligger ute på nätet och
fräter, vad kan man göra så att "folk" inte börjar tro att det är
sanningar han skrivit ? (Jag kikade också in på den något förvirrade
"chatten" om konstmusik).
example 2)
How it looks on the recievers end:
Hej Tony !
Jag såg att Bjurströms artikel fortfarande ligger ute på nätet och
fräter,
vad kan man göra så att "folk" inte börjar tro att det är sanningar han
skrivit ?
(Jag kikade också in på den något förvirrade "chatten" om konstmusik).
example 3)
Cmd-Opt-u:
Hej Tony !
Jag s=E5g att Bjurstr=F6ms artikel fortfarande ligger ute p=E5 n=E4tet =
och=20
fr=E4ter,
vad kan man g=F6ra s=E5 att "folk" inte b=F6rjar tro att det =E4r =
sanningar han=20
skrivit ?
(Jag kikade ocks=E5 in p=E5 den n=E5got f=F6rvirrade "chatten" om =
konstmusik).
It seems that my option is to use BBEdit for a working 70 wrap then to
paste it in Mail ...
TY for the help !