Keeping Right
Bob Hoey
>To draw a parallel, during a bear-off, a player will habitually roll his dice
>on
>the left side of the board, even though the rules clearly state that the
>player may
>only roll on the right. In this situation, most people would allow it after
>asking
>the opponent's permission, and a tourney director would be a fool to argue
>with the
>two of them. The opponent, however, who hasn't provided permission for this,
>may
>not comment, and allow the practice to continue for several games. In a crucial
>game, however, the player rolling on the left rolls a joker, and the opponent
>takes
>this opportunity to object .
>
>How would you rule on this?
BH> As a tournament director, I frown on people rolling on the left side, even
when permission has been obtained. We have made specific reference to this in
our published rules at various tournaments and these references stipulate that
if a player wants to roll on his opponents side of the board, permission may be
granted but that it does not carry over to subsequent games. If ongoing
permission is sought, that permission must be in writing. I especially
encourage my friends to never ask for permission and I make it a habit to
refuse permission when it is requested of me. In short, I consider it to be a
bad habit and to be fraught with potential for a serious disagreement and
disruption of a tournament.
About 20 years ago, I recall that a hot player from Syracuse was at the
Thousand Islands Tournament and was playing a much less experienced player.
The player saw that his opponent was rolling on the wrong side of the board,
right from the beginning and said nothing about it until the player rolled a
killer roll, upon which the more experienced player announced that the roll was
invalid and must be rolled again on the correct side of the board. Of course
the Tournament Director was summoned and the ruling properly went in favor of
the more experienced player. It was clear that the experience player was
preying upon the naiveté of the lesser player and although he prevailed in the
ruling, he lost the respect of most of the other players in the tournament,
including myself. I agreed with the ruling but considered the player to be an
asshole for not setting the newbie straight in the first part of the first
game.
Karma rules. I understand that after moving first to Boston and then to the
West Coast, this guy was the victim of a real backgammon cheating scandal that
involved magnetic dice and knee pads.
>
Rodrigo Andrade
>I understand that after moving first to Boston and then to the
>West Coast, this guy was the victim of a real backgammon cheating scandal
that
>involved magnetic dice and knee pads.
Whoa! That would make a nice "60 Minutes." Do you mind sharing the story?
RODRIGO
Julian Hayward
Bob Hoey <Bob_...@mlsonline.com> writes
>
>BH> As a tournament director, I frown on people rolling on the left side,
>even
>when permission has been obtained. We have made specific reference to this in
>our published rules at various tournaments and these references stipulate that
>if a player wants to roll on his opponents side of the board, permission may be
>granted but that it does not carry over to subsequent games. If ongoing
>permission is sought, that permission must be in writing. I especially
>encourage my friends to never ask for permission and I make it a habit to
>refuse permission when it is requested of me. In short, I consider it to be a
>bad habit and to be fraught with potential for a serious disagreement and
>disruption of a tournament.
One backgammon server supplies a client which rolls on the left... just
imagine every move being complained over... 8-)
--
Julian Hayward 'Booles' on FIBS jul...@ratbag.demon.co.uk
+44-1344-640656 http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/
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VSG
Julian Hayward schrieb in Nachricht ...
>In article <fc.003e902500d718753b...@mlsonline.com>,
>Bob Hoey <Bob_...@mlsonline.com> writes
>>
>>BH> As a tournament director, I frown on people rolling on the left side,
I'm trying to see why throwing on the left can be objectionable.
Surely it makes no odds which side the dice are thrown. Or is it a traditional
thing.
regards
Alan Webb
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Kit Woolsey
: I'm trying to see why throwing on the left can be objectionable.
: Surely it makes no odds which side the dice are thrown. Or is it a traditional
: thing.
Three reasons:
1) If you and your opponent are rolling in the same area, there could be
some confusion if you roll before he has picked his dice up and the dice
get mixed, your dice hit his hand, etc.
2) Suppose your dice jump over the center of the board and land on the
other side (or suppose you forget and roll on the other side). Is it a
legal roll? There are far fewer disputes when it is specified just where
the dice have to land to make it a legal roll.
3) It's the rules (and 1) and 2) show the reason it's the rules).
Kit
Julian Hayward
<kwoo...@netcom.com> writes
>
>1) If you and your opponent are rolling in the same area, there could be
>some confusion if you roll before he has picked his dice up and the dice
>get mixed, your dice hit his hand, etc.
>
your dice to some crooked ones...
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Julian Hayward 'Booles' on FIBS jul...@ratbag.demon.co.uk
+44-1344-640656 http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/
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Alan Webb
Kit Woolsey schrieb in Nachricht ...
>VSG (vsg...@t-online.de) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>: I'm trying to see why throwing on the left can be objectionable.
>
>: Surely it makes no odds which side the dice are thrown. Or is it a
traditional
>: thing.
>
>
>Three reasons:
>
>some confusion if you roll before he has picked his dice up and the dice
>get mixed, your dice hit his hand, etc.
>
>other side (or suppose you forget and roll on the other side). Is it a
>legal roll? There are far fewer disputes when it is specified just where
>the dice have to land to make it a legal roll.
>
>3) It's the rules (and 1) and 2) show the reason it's the rules).
>
>Kit
Good points Kit, perhaps I'm a bit naieve when it comes to the shananigans
and mind games players can (and probably do) get up to in the heat of high
pressure tournament matches.
regards
Alan Webb