Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Barney Fife
From:
The Babylonian Talmud
Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
London
The Soncino Press 1935
[Note: When you see something such as {3}, this means a numbered footnote
for further reference. Words and phrases in ( ) are as the appeared in
the Talmud, in ( )s. Doc Tavish]
<Yebamoth 60b on page 402 of above Talmud>:
It was taught: Rabbi Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the
age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is
said, "But all the women children that have not known man by lying with
him, keep alive for yourselves {3}" and Phineas {4} surely was with them.
And the Rabbis? {5}- (These were kept alive) as bondmen and bondwomen. {6}
If so, {7} a proselyte whose age is three years and one day {8} should
also be permitted!- (The prohibition is to be explained) in accordance
with Rabbi Huna. For Rabbi Huna pointed out the contradiction: It is
written "Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him {9}, but
if she hath not known, save her alive;" from this it may be inferred that
children are to be kept alive whether they have known or not known (a man); and,
on the other hand, it is also written, 'But all the women children, that have
not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves' {3}, but do not
spare them if they have known. Consequently {10} it must be said that Scripture
speaks of one {11} who is fit for cohabitation. {12}
Footnotes to above:
{3} Numbers 31, 18
{4} Who was a priest.
{5} How could they, contrary to the opinion of Rabbi Simeon b. Yohai,
which has scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young
proselyte?
{6} Not for matrimony.
{7} That according to Rabbi Simeon, Numbers 31, 18 refers to
matrimony.
{8} So long as she has "not known a man."
{9} Numbers 31, 17
{10} To reconcile the contradiction.
{11} I.e. one who had attained the age of three years and one day.
{12} Not one who had actually experienced it.
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The following was from a reply post and it further amplifies Jewish male
cravings for toddler females!
On 7 Jan 1998 , jher...@ix.netcom.com(Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote:
>Let's see. First the Rabbis point out that Simeon b. Yohai was talking
>through his yarmulke. Then they point out that the marriage to the said
>three-year-old girl need not be consummated immediately. This is
>supposed to prove approval of pederasty.
Does this suit you better?
<Sanhedrin 55b on page 376 in above Talmud>:
Rabbi Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and one day
may be acquired in marriage by coition... If she married a priest, she may
eat of terumah; {3}
[Coition means having the sex act and notice please that the age is at
three years and one day! I do not see any Brady Bill type of a waiting
period for consummation. Do you? Doc Tavish]
Footnote:
{3} As the law of an Israelite's (adult) daughter who married a
priest. But if she is less than three years old, although the
Kiddushin accepted on her behalf by her father is valid, yet since she is
sexually immature, the marriage cannot be consummated, and hence she is not
thereby enabled to eat the terumah.
The footnotes {3} and {4} for Sanhedrin 54b on Talmud volume page 371 say:
{3} At nine years a male attains sexual matureness.
{4} Lev. XVIII, 22 Thus the point of comparison is the
sexual matureness of woman is reached at the age of three.
Are you going to deny this as well? Come on now and face reality! If the
Talmud says "sexual matureness of woman is reached at the age of three" is
anyone going to believe what you said: "they point out that the marriage
to the said three-year-old girl need not be consummated immediately." If
she is considered to be sexually mature at the age of three then why would
any groom put off consummating the marriage?
Read the Footnote again (as shown above):
{3} As the law of an Israelite's (adult) daughter who married a
priest. But if she is less than three years old, although the
Kiddushin accepted on her behalf by her father is valid, yet since she is
sexually immature, the marriage cannot be consummated, and hence she is not
thereby enabled to eat the terumah.
Please note why the marriage can NOT be consummated- "if she is less than
three years old" and "since she is sexually immature, the marriage cannot
be consummated."
As a further note, if Jews didn't have hangups about sex with three year
old girls then why is this on the web?
http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/5757/achrei.html
(Link active January 28, 2004. Archived locally as: achrei)
SELECTED HALACHOS RELATING TO PARSHAS ACHREI
Hilchos Yichud: Rulings of HaRav Feinstein
By Rabbi Doniel Neustadt
[...]
HILCHOS YICHUD: RULINGS OF HARAV M. FEINSTEIN
This verse is cited by most of the early authorities as the Biblical
source for the halachos of yichud, the prohibition against a man being
alone in a secluded place with a woman. The laws of yichud are complex and
detailed and the opinions of the poskim are diverse and
contradictory. This discussion will focus exclusively on the rulings of
Harav Moshe Feinstien, one of the greatest halachic authorities of our
generation....
AT WHAT AGE DOES THE PROHIBITION OF YICHUD BEGIN AND END?
A man over thirteen is prohibited to be alone with a girl over three.
Under extenuating circumstances, it is permitted to be alone with a girl
till the age of seven (5).
A woman over twelve may not be alone with a boy over nine.
Footnote:
5 Oral ruling by Harav M. Feinstein (quoted in Children in Halachah pg.
40) based on the rational presented in Igros Moshe EH 4:65-12, where, in
the final analysis, Harav Feinstein is hesitant to permit this. He writes,
however, that he would not object to those who are lenient.
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As an added bonus here is oral sex (Cirumcision) on infant males by Rabbis:
(NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE ARE THESE BIZARRE TRADITIONS COMMANDED!!!)
http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/mohel.htm
(Archived locally as: talmudic_perversion)
(Click the link above to verify the contents and to see pictures
which appeared in The Jerusalem Post magazine)
Shabbath 19:2
They may perform on the Sabbath all things that are needful for circumcision:
excision, tearing, sucking [the wound], and putting thereon a bandage and cumin.
If this had not been pounded up on the eve of the Sabbath a man may chew it with
his teeth and then apply it.
The Mishnah
Translated by Herbert Danby
Oxford: Oxford University Press. 1933. pp. 116-117.
Shabbat 133B
II.1.
A. Suck [out the wound]:
B. Said R. Pappa, "A Surgeon who didn't suck out the wound - that is a source of
danger, and we throw him out."
C. So what else is new? Obviously, since we are prepared to desecrate the
Sabbath on that account, it is certainly dangerous not to do it!
D. What might you have supposed? That this blood is stored up. So we are
informed that it is the result of the wound, and in the status of a bandage and
cumin: Just as when one doesn't put on a bandage and cumin, there is danger, so
here, too, if one doesn't do it, there is danger.
The Talmud of Babylonia: An American Translation
Translated by Jacob Neusner
Number 275. Volume II.E: Shabbat Chapters 18-24.
Program in Judaic Studies Brown University
Atlanta: Scholars Press. 1993. p. 45.
[The brackets in the quotes below are in the texts quoted.]
"There are three stages required for the performance of a ritually correct
circumcision in Jewish law: the removal of the foreskin; the tearing of the
underlying membraene so as to expose the glans completely; and the sucking away
of the blood, m'tsitsah." Roger V. Pavey. The Kindest Cut of All. Bognor Regis,
W. Sussex: New Horizon. 1981. pp. 87-88.
"The method to be adopted is laid down thus: 'One excises the foreskin, [that
is] the entire skin covering the glans, so that the corona is laid bare.
Afterwards, one tears with the finger-nail the soft membrane underneath the
skin, turning it to the sides until the flesh of the glans appears. Thereafter,
one sucks the membrane until the blood is extracted from the [more] remote
places, so that no danger [to the infant] may ensue; and any circumciser who
does not carry out the sucking procedure is to be removed [from his office].' .
. . The operation itself, then, consists of three distinct acts: the excision of
the prepuce; the laceration of the mucous membrane covering the glans; and the
sucking of the blood from the interior of the wound." Immanuel Jakobovits.
Jewish Medical Ethics: A Comparative and Historical Study of the Jewish
Religious Attitude to Medicine and Its Practice. New York: Bloch Publishing
Company. 1959. pp. 193-194.
"The baby cried, blood flowed on to his penis and - as the rabbi had predicted -
Graham [the godfather] did not faint. The rabbi then bent over the baby and
sucked the wound. I know this sounds awful, but it is part of the Jewish
tradition. It's supposed to help the healing." Jack Shamash. "My Son on the
Cutting Edge." Independent (London), no. 3,797 (Thursday, December 17, 1998): p.
R8.
"And what of the practice of sucking the bleeding penis? While condemning the
procedure, some physicians contend that it was used to stop bleeding.47 Not only
is there little evidence for this theory, but it was also a largely ineffective
method. Furthermore, even in antiquity, surgeons had better methods to stop
bleeding, such as pressure, instruments, and medication.48 According to Dr. H.
Speert (1953), Maimonides 'staunchly supported this procedure [sucking the
bleeding penis] as a prophylactic measure against inflammation.'"49 Edward
Wallerstein. Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy. New York: Springer
Publishing Company. 1980. p. 160.
"mezizah -- Hebrew term for the third step in the Jewish circumcision ritual, in
which the mohel applies his mouth to the freshly circumcised infant's penis and
sucks up the first drops of blood. In more recent times this procedure has been
carried out via a tube, as infections, venereal disease, and tuberculosis,
sometimes resulting in the death of the infant, have occurred due to
contamination of the wound. Most Jewish circumcisors today have eliminated this
step from the circumcision ritual. Critics have attributed sadistic and
homosexual implications to this practice, while defenders claim that this was
simply all that was known during ancient times to stop the bleeding." Rosemary
Romberg. Circumcision: The Painful Dilemma. South Hadley, Massachusetts: Bergin
& Garvey, Publishers, Inc. 1985. p. 395.
"The traditional practice of metzitzah b'peh, which has its roots in the
earliest history of the Jewish people and has survived unchanged to the present
time, should be viewed with great respect. It is spoken of very positively in
the Jewish literature on circumcision both as an essential part of the ritual
and as a health measure which prevents infection and promotes healing." Henry C.
Romberg, M.D. Bris Milah: A book about the Jewish ritual of circumcision.
Jerusalem/New York: Feldheim Publishers. 1982. pp. 57-58.
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More on Jewry's perverse practice of sucking the wound:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=8yXi5.1071%24031.35255%40typhoon2.ba-dsg.net&rnum=2
From: "Michael" <Mic...@universalway.org>
Subject: Historical Complications of Circumcision
Date: 2000/08/05
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(Archived locally as: ComplicationsCircumcision)
Excerpt
On page 214 of "The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia" (Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia, Inc., 1939), the following is found;
"The circumcision rite consists of the following: 1. milah, cutting off the end
of the upper prepuce; 2. periah, baring the glans by tearing or cutting the
tender lower prepuce and pushing it behind the glans; 3. metzitzah, the sucking
of the wound, to staunch the blood, by means of the mouth, as practiced in
earlier times, or by means of a suction cylinder or other modern methods in more
recent times."
On page/column 572 in Volume V of "Encyclopedia Judaica" (Keter Publishing
House, 1971), the following is found;
"The next stage is the performance of mezizah ('suction'). This has led to much
controversy in recent years. Throughout the ages this was done by suction by the
mouth in order, according to Maimonides, to remove the blood from the distant
parts of the wound (Maim. Yad, Milah, 2:2). It was the recognized method of
disinfection at the time. A mohel who refrained from performing it was
considered to be endangering the life of the child, and had to be debarred from
practice. Toward the middle of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century
cases of syphilis, tuberculosis, and diphtheria occurring in infants were
ascribed to infection from mohalim using this method of suction. This has been
contested by a few Jewish doctors, and some communities still follow the
original practice. The Paris Consistoire abolished mezizah in 1843."
On page 167 of "Encyclopedia of Judaism" (Jerusalem Publishing House, Ltd.,
1989), the following is found;
"The circumcision itself takes only a few seconds, and is performed by a
circumciser (mohel). Formerly the blood was drawn orally by the mohel but now an
instrument is used."
An interesting addition is found on page/column 570-571 in Volume V of the
aforementioned "Encyclopedia Judaica";
"In 1843 the clerical leaders of the reform movement in Frankfort sought to
abolish circumcision among their adherents; the controversy concerning its
necessity in Judaism lasted for 20 years and eventually spread to America. They
based their objections to circumcision on five reasons: (1) It was commanded to
Abraham and not to Moses. It is not distinctive of Israel since it is also
practiced by descendants of Ishmael; (2) It is mentioned only once in the Mosaic
law; it is not repeated in Deuteronomy; (3) Moses did not circumcise his own
son; (4) The generation of the desert was not circumcised; (5) There is no
initiation of daughters into Judaism. All these were answered by Orthodox
rabbinical authorities. To counter this agitation, Leopold Zunz wrote his essay
on circumcision (Gutachten ueber die Beschneidung, Frankfort, 1844). Today, most
Reform Jews have their children circumcised."
It is noted here that in the "New Standard Encyclopedia of Judaism" (Facts on
File, Inc., 1992), no mention at all is made of the mezizah, and it will be
observed that the more modern the reference edition used, the less that is
disclosed about the practice of the mezizah. However, all of the above
information is easily found in the reference section of most libraries, and
furthermore, an Internet search on "mezizah" and/or "metzitzah" will easily
uncover the cherished association and continued use of this practice by some
Orthodox Jewish communities.
The conclusion in the matter is that the "mezizah" is the stage of circumcision
where the mohel places his mouth on the baby's penis and sucks the blood from
the wound. And while many of the sects of Judaism claim to no longer use the
mezizah, it is clear that this stage was performed by all sects for at least a
millennia, and in fact, is still performed in some Orthodox sects (by some
people who condemn homosexuality as a sin punishable by death -
http://www.universalway.org/Foreign/judaism-homo.html#DeadGays ), all of which
identifies the original nature of the ritual upon which the modern operation is
based...
"judaism-homo.html#DeadGays" archived locally as: judaism_homos)
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Even more on the Jewish perversion of "sucking the wound":
http://www.act-now.org/discuss/
This Discussion Group is moderated by a group of Mohel's
associated with ACT to whom you can post questions
you may have about circumcision.
http://www.act-now.org/discuss/_disc1/00000111.htm
(Link has expired but has been cached at:
http://www.christianlinks.com/forums/archive/topic/26879.html
Archived locally as: 26879) [Low and behold- they used an Official Doc Tavish
Post! Nice to know people are paying attention!]
What Are The Details Of "Mezizah," The Practice Of Sucking The Blood From The
Circumcision Wound?
From: Pat
Date: 10/19/99
Time: 2:32:54 AM
Comments
On a web page listing "Serious Complications Of Circumcision"
(http://faculty.washington.edu/gcd/DOC/foreskin.html), they mentioned
"Tuberculosis - via Mezizah, the practice of sucking the blood from the
circumcision wound, the mohel gives the disease to the infant."
(Archived locally as: washEDUforeskin)
What, exactly, are the details of this "Mezizah"?
And how prevalent through this obviously unsanitary practice is the spread of
tuberculosis and other diseases and infections?
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http://www.faem.com/debate/a0809am.htm
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[...]
"As for the bris milah (circumcision), there is no masturbation of the child. In
some Orthodox circles, the mohel, after the cutting, will fill his mouth with
wine, suck on the wound, and then spit out the wine and blood mixture in his
mouth. This is done to stanch the blood flow and disinfect the wound -- not for
sexual reasons. Most mohels no longer do this." Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D. 9
August 2000
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http://www.torahcc.org/mishna/23-1-00/friday.htm <(Link now expired)
The above web page was archived at this link:
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(Link active January 28, 2004. Archived locally as: 23-1-00)
Torah Community Connection
Misha Yomit Program
Week 9 - Friday - 28 Jan. 2000
{...]
SHABBAT: CHAPTER 19: MISHNA 2
One may do all the needs of circumcision on Shabbat: one may circumcise, and
tear, and suck, and put on it a bandage and cumin. If he did not grind before
Shabbat, he may chew with his teeth and he may put. If he did not mix wine and
oil before Shabbat, he may put this by itself and this by itself...
Kehati
This mishnah lists the needs of circumcision which may be performed on Shabbat.
One may do all the needs of circumcision on Shabbat: one may circumcise -
circumcising and cutting the foreskin, and tear - the thin membrane under the
foreskin, which the mohel tears to reveal the corona, and suck - out a small
quantity of blood to cleanse the wound and put on it a bandage and cumin - a
type of plant, used for medicinal purposes.
<END>
Essentially the same text as shown above which now has an expired link:
http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=786
(Archived locally as: JewGates786)
Gates to Jewish Heritage
Regulations and Stories About Circumcision
[...]
The vast majority of Talmudic material dealing with circumcision is found in the
tractate Shabbat. The discussions focus on what aspects of the circumcision may
be done when the eighth day of a male child's life hits on Shabbat. Circumcision
(as we shall see later) supercedes all prohibitions of Shabbat. The Mishnah and
the Talmud go into great detail about circumcision, which defines for us what
the circumcision operation consisted of. It's the only place in the Talmud where
we get this information.
Shabbat 133a:
MISHNAH. WE PERFORM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF CIRCUMCISION ON THE SABBATH.
WE CIRCUMCISE, (Cut off the foreskin)
UNCOVER [THE CORONA],(Peri'ah: Splitting the membrane and pulling it down)
SUCK [THE WOUND]...
Our sages now discuss each step of the circumcision:
Shabbat 133b-134a
GEMARA: Consider: He [the Tanna] states them all [separately]: what is ALL THE
REQUIREMENTS OF CIRCUMCISION to include?
It is to include that which our Rabbis taught: He who circumcises, as long as he
is engaged in the circumcision, he returns both for the shreds [of the corona]
which invalidate the circumcision and for those which do not invalidate the
circumcision.
The circumciser, from now on called the mohel, must do a clean job and can "fix
things up" so long as he does it as part of the ceremony.
Once he has withdrawn, he returns on account of the shreds which invalidate the
circumcision, but not for the shreds which do not invalidate the circumcision.
The text goes into a discussion about who the anonymous Tanna is who made this
ruling. I shall spare you...
Our Rabbis taught: The penis must be trimmed, and if one does not trim it, he is
punished with karet.
He has cut on Shabbat (something forbidden...) without fulfilling the mitzvah of
circumcision. He is therefore guilty of breaking Shabbat, a crime whose
punishment is karet.
The Talmud asks a fascinating question.
Who (is responsible)?
R. Kahana said: The surgeon.
R. Papa demurred 禅he surgeon'!
he can say to them, 選 have performed half of the precept: You perform half of
the precept.'
R. Papa is no longer talking about a circumcision which takes place on Shabbat!
He's talking an adult who is commanded to circumcise himself. He's hired a
surgeon. The surgeon does 3/4 of the job; the surgeon has broken no laws which
deserve punishment; he just hasn't finished the job!
Rather said R. Papa: An adult.
The adult who is uncircumcised must finish the task or receive karet.
R. Ashi demurred: Of an adult it is explicitly stated, and the uncircumcised
male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, [that soul shall be
cut off from his people]?
R. Ashi notes, reasonably, that the situation being discussed isn't an adult
circumcision; it's a circumcision which takes place on Shabbat.
Rather said R. Ashi: In truth it means the surgeon:
If he came at twilight on the Sabbath, and they warned him, 惣ou have no time,
(to do a really good job)' but he insisted, 選 have time:"
So he performed it but had not time [to complete it]. Thus the net result is
that he [merely] made a wound (on Shabbat!), hence he is punished with karet.
WE SUCK OUT. R. Papa said: If a surgeon does not suck [the WOUND], it is
dangerous and he is dismissed...
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Notice the Jews refer to the Talmud for the bizarre practice whereas the Old
Testament aka Torah commands no such perverse ritual! I challenge anyone to cite
scripture from the Books of Moses in the Old Testament or Torah which commands
such perversion!
The Talmudic Traditions are what Jesus denounced daily!
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Still even more on the perverted Jewish tradition which God did not command:
Special Note: This is a real hoot and it is from a Mohel himself!
http://www.emoil.com/supplies.htm
(Archived locally as: penisSUCKINGjew)
Supply List and Bris Instructions
SUPPLIES:
Kosher sweet grape wine (no Blackberry or Cherry) or kosher grape juice
Kiddush cup or wine glass
6 disposable diapers
3 cloth diapers (or burp cloths)
2-1 oz. tubes of Bacitracin (with or without zinc or aloe; no Neosporin or
Triple Antibiotic ointment, please)
1 box of 3"x 3" sterile gauze pads
2 pillows -- standard size
2 standard size pillowcases (any color; no satin, please)
Yarmulkas (kipot) for the participants; yarmulka (kipah) for the baby (optional)
For the bris set up, a small table (waist height) and two chairs are needed.
(The baby does not go on the table.)
<<Tavish comment September 26, 2003: Yarmulkes are like beanies little kids used
to wear on their heads years ago except they don't have whirlygigs/propellors on
them.>>
ALSO:
1. The Hebrew/Jewish (Yiddish, Ladino, etc.) names of the father, mother and
baby are needed for the ceremony. Also, is the father or mother of the baby
descended paternally from a Kohen or Levi? (A naming ceremony is part of the
Brit Milah ceremony.)
2. Please do not feed the baby about one and half-hours before the brit milah.
The baby can be fed right after the ceremony.
3. To reduce the baby's discomfort, he may suck on a gauze pad dipped in wine
before (if needed) and after the Brit Milah ceremony.
4. A Brit Milah takes place on the eighth day during the daylight hours only.
The day of birth counts as day one. Please confirm the date, time and location
of the Brit Milah with the mohel before informing your guests. Also, please make
sure no one else in the family is making arrangements with another mohel.
5. A Brit Milah can be postponed at any time (including the day of the ceremony)
if there is any question about the health of the baby. Normal physiological
jaundice is normal and does not delay the Brit Milah.
6. Dress the baby simply for the ceremony. A gown, stretchy or kimono is fine;
please avoid outfits with many small buttons.
7. A minyan (quorum of ten) is preferred, but not required. Godparents are
optional.
8. It is suggested that kosher food (not kosher-style) be ordered so all of the
guests may partake of the seudat mitsvah (festive meal). The food is served
after the ceremony.
9. Please, no photography or videotaping is permitted while the baby's diaper is
off or if the Brit Milah occurs on a Shabbat or Jewish holiday.
HONORS:
The five main honors, in order of appearance are
(1)(Kvater and/or Kvaterin)--someone to bring the baby into the room where the
ceremony is taking place.
(2)(Kise shel Eliyahu)--someone to place the baby on the Chair of Elijah and to
take him from the Chair of Elijah.
(3)(Sandek)--someone to hold the baby during the circumcision.
(4)(Amidah le-berakhot)--someone to hold him during the Naming and
(5)(Kvater and /or Kvaterin)-- someone to take the baby out of the room.
Traditionally, it is the parents of the baby who give out the honors at the
bris. Both men and women are included in the ceremony. I recommend that parents
distribute select honors in a meaningful way, rather than pass the baby around
just to include a lot of people.
The honor of bringing the baby into the room at the beginning of the ceremony
and/or taking him out at the end is given traditionally to a couple who do not
yet have children, or the grandmothers of the baby can be given this honor--both
together or one at a time. If this is the first boy for the parents, the
paternal grandfather of the baby holds for the bris and the maternal grandfather
of the baby holds for the Naming portion of the ceremony. (If one grandfather
has already served as a sandak previously, he can defer to the other
grandfather.) Placing the baby on the Chair of Elijah and carrying him from
Elijah's chair are honors that can be given to other relatives. There are many
more permutations and possibilities (older siblings, stepparents,
great-grandparents, etc.), so the best thing to do is prepare a list of those
people whom you would like to include in the ceremony. The mohel can help you
decide the best way to distribute the honors.
BERAKHOT (BLESSINGS):
Father (after the mohel performs the Brit Milah): "Barukh Atah Adonai Elohenu
melekh ha-olam, asher kideshanu be- mitsvotav ve-tsivanu le-hakhniso bivrito
shel Avraham ovinu."
"Blessed are You, Lord our God, king of the universe, who has sanctified us with
His commandments and commanded us to enter him [the baby] into the covenant of
Avraham our forefather."
<<Tavish comment September 26, 2003: You claim to be following God's
Commandments yet your bizarre ritual is based primarily on the Traditions and
Commandments of Men. 99% of what you do is not in the Torah or Old Testament at
all.>>
[...]
I look forward to sharing your simkha. As your son enters the covenant, so may
he enter the world of Torah, the wedding canopy, and a life of good deeds.
Cantor Philip L. Sherman, Certified Mohel
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Need I say more?
Tavish
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Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3eca1da9.53949669%40tavish-central.net&rnum=1
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) R_0520
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:21:17 GMT
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Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
in message <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>:
>Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
HTH
Sergey Romanov
It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others. Ask Mr. Google!
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <aa65b046.04012...@posting.google.com>:
>Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d995818467ba8a15...@news.teranews.com>...
>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>> in message <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>:
>> >Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
>> You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
>> the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
>It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
>It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
>carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others. Ask Mr. Google!
But haven't you heard? *None* of the Shame of Belleville's post have
*ever* been refuted.
Zie will tell you so zirself.
</sarcasm>
Gassen Burnham
On the contrary, this post goes directly to the root of why
anti-Semitism exists, ie: jews bring it upon themselves by practicing
the perversions described by the above quote from the Talmud.
Barney Fife
rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
>Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d995818467ba8a15...@news.teranews.com>...
>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>> in message <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
>>
>> You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
>> the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
^^^^^^
My name is not fatboy you Child of the Devil!
Can't refute what I post so you insult me- how Pharisee like of you!
BTW what I posted has everything to do with the "Holocaust" because it shows
what the people are like who are making most of the claims!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
>> HTH
>
>It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
I have responded to you- you liar!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: Czar and Family Bored S_0123--Tavish's BIG CHANCE to have an
actual debate--he better not run away this time!
Message-ID: <9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:12:20 GMT
>It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
>carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others.
Name call is not refuting me! What I posted stands on its own and I take note
you didn't attempt to refute it!
>Ask Mr. Google!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0ohf105q9ksqhdfsd...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Bestiality and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out With Three
Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <0ohf105q9ksqhdfsd...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:54:31 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial...
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>On 28 Jan 2004 15:03:39 -0800, <aa65b046.04012...@posting.google.com>
>rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
>>Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d995818467ba8a15...@news.teranews.com>...
>>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>> someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>>> in message <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>:
>>> >Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
>>> You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
>>> the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
>My name is not fatboy you Child of the Devil!
>Can't refute what I post so you insult me- how Pharisee like of you!
Except that it *has* been refuted, and yet you continue you spew it
all over Usenet. How obsessive of you, fatboy!
>BTW what I posted has everything to do with the "Holocaust" because it shows
>what the people are like who are making most of the claims!
Even if what you claim is true, it has no impact whatever on the
historical facts of the Holocaust.
>>> HTH
>>It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
>I have responded to you- you liar!!
No, you have ignored his points and simply repeated your lies.
>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>Subject: Re: Czar and Family Bored S_0123--Tavish's BIG CHANCE to have an
>actual debate--he better not run away this time!
>Message-ID: <9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com>
>Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:12:20 GMT
>>It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
>>carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others.
>Name call is not refuting me! What I posted stands on its own and I take note
>you didn't attempt to refute it!
Nor has Harry called you any names is his refutation.
>>Ask Mr. Google!
Not that it will make any difference to the Most Impotent Liar on
Usenet, the Shame of Belleville -- blubberbury.
Jason James
"Gassen Burnham" <gassen...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2403f93b.04012...@posting.google.com...
Whay a tool. Has it occurred to this brainiac that the like all old
manuscripts the Bible has some strange stuff in it? No, 'cause that would
deflate the 'point' he's trying to make.
Jason
Sergey Romanov
> >It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
>
> I have responded to you- you liar!!
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> Subject: Re: Czar and Family Bored S_0123--Tavish's BIG CHANCE to have an
> actual debate--he better not run away this time!
> Message-ID: <9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com>
> Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:12:20 GMT
Again, this is another case of Idiotavish's demonstrable lie, since
his bullshit has been refuted by me long ago:
And it is to this posting he didn't respond.
> >It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
> >carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others.
>
> Name call is not refuting me! What I posted stands on its own and I take note
> you didn't attempt to refute it!
Why, Harry Katz did it.
http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=356DB4D2.A2A307A6%40mci.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=357CB75E.FAD2ECC0%40mci.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A050E0C.D09E9437%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A0E468D.ED80F2FA%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A20B8F1.81EE2916%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
Stephen Bayzik
news:2403f93b.04012...@posting.google.com...
> On the contrary, this post goes directly to the root of why
> anti-Semitism exists, ie: jews bring it upon themselves by practicing
> the perversions described by the above quote from the Talmud.
You are a degenerate Jew Hater.
======================
Barney Fife
<b08e6b77dc0e2898...@news.teranews.com> Roger <roger@ . > wrote:
>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
> in message <ka3i101qi15fct32t...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On 28 Jan 2004 15:03:39 -0800, <aa65b046.04012...@posting.google.com>
>>rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
>
>>>Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d995818467ba8a15...@news.teranews.com>...
>
>>>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>>> someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>>>> in message <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>:
>
>>>> >Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
>
>>>> You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
>>>> the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
>
>>My name is not fatboy you Child of the Devil!
>>Can't refute what I post so you insult me- how Pharisee like of you!
>
>Except that it *has* been refuted, and yet you continue you spew it
>all over Usenet.
It hasn't been refuted. Diversions, personal attacks, and name calling is NOT
refutation.
> How obsessive of you, fatboy!
My name is not fatboy you krema klinker!
>>BTW what I posted has everything to do with the "Holocaust" because it shows
>>what the people are like who are making most of the claims!
>
>Even if what you claim is true, it has no impact whatever on the
>historical facts of the Holocaust.
Anyone who has learned about Jews and how they lie know it has everything to do
with it! How you handle verifiable documented facts proves your kind are not to
be trusted with matters 60 years old!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
Subject: Bestiality and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out With Three
Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <0ohf105q9ksqhdfsd...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:54:31 GMT
>>>> HTH
>
>>>It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
>
>>I have responded to you- you liar!!
>
>No, you have ignored his points and simply repeated your lies.
Not true and anyone reading the archive below will see who the liars are!!
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>>Subject: Re: Czar and Family Bored S_0123--Tavish's BIG CHANCE to have an
>>actual debate--he better not run away this time!
>>Message-ID: <9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com>
>>Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:12:20 GMT
>
>>>It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
>>>carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others.
>
>>Name call is not refuting me! What I posted stands on its own and I take note
>>you didn't attempt to refute it!
>
>Nor has Harry called you any names is his refutation.
NOT TRUE!!
Here is how Harry Katz refuted what I posted. Compare his refutation to what I
actually posted and anyone with objectivity will see it was no refutation!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u1in5torofaecj03ldl0cftpb16gcm5rpn%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: An Example of How Nizkor Archives Private Citizens' "Public Posts" as
Jeffrey Calls Them
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:48:07 -0600
Message-ID: <u1in5torofaecj03l...@4ax.com>
>>>Ask Mr. Google!
>
>Not that it will make any difference to the Most Impotent Liar on
>Usenet, the Shame of Belleville -- blubberbury.
The lurkers know who the liars are!
My "Maxim Concerning Debate"- Originally written in a letter to Liberal
Radio Talk Show Host Jim Hightower:
"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking
the truth and the hecklers not being able to prove their point
other than scorn or ridicule.
Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead
attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the
public's attention away from the message!
I will tell you a secret and I hope that you learn from it!
This is my original- "If I hear something being debated pertaining
to a subject that I am not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I
examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling
the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar always
attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the
opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in FACT.
Tavish
Barney Fife
gassen...@dodo.com.au (Gassen Burnham) wrote:
And what is strange they don't deny I am quoting actual Talmud texts- rather
they claim I'm not interpreting them correctly! I hardly say a thing other than
make an observation or two! Anyone with basic reading comprehension can see what
those texts teach. I gave all links too to the supplemental materials as well.
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0ohf105q9ksqhdfsd...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Bestiality and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out With Three
Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <0ohf105q9ksqhdfsd...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:54:31 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
Message-ID: <f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT
I hope the people of Christendom start seeing these anti-Christ Children of the
Devil for what they are. I am sickened to death to see them claim those perverts
are the Chosen Ones of God when they and they alone have committed the
unforgivable sin and still do!
Tavish
How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa96oaav%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.smart1.net&rnum=7
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <34c17d0f....@news.smart1.net>
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Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536l51ag%404ax.com&rnum=10&filter=0
Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
Message-ID: <u626vv814v0dt9raq...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ncu5gvoc1nga0k933sgt0sbtglrv1nlb4e%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Communist Holocaust Has Killed Over 100 Million People
Message-ID: <ncu5gvoc1nga0k933...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Jul 2003 15:33:38 GMT
Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
<attribution>
>>>>> >Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
>>>>> You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
>>>>> the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
>>>My name is not fatboy you Child of the Devil!
>>>Can't refute what I post so you insult me- how Pharisee like of you!
>>Except that it *has* been refuted, and yet you continue you spew it
>>all over Usenet.
>It hasn't been refuted. Diversions, personal attacks, and name calling is NOT
>refutation.
Nor is that the basis of Harry's refutation.
>> How obsessive of you, fatboy!
>My name is not fatboy you krema klinker!
Whatever, fatboy. Deposited my $10k in escrow yet?
>>>BTW what I posted has everything to do with the "Holocaust" because it shows
>>>what the people are like who are making most of the claims!
>>Even if what you claim is true, it has no impact whatever on the
>>historical facts of the Holocaust.
>Anyone who has learned about Jews and how they lie know it has everything to do
>with it!
So, your claim is that every historian that has ever written on the
Holocaust has been a Jew? Are you even going to try to support this
lie?
And speaking of lies, no news from Pennsylvania today *again*. When
are you going to get off your fat butt and file that complaint?
>How you handle verifiable documented facts proves your kind are not to
>be trusted with matters 60 years old!
... ignoring that your rants are not verifiable, documented *or*
facts...
>>>>It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
>>>I have responded to you- you liar!!
>>No, you have ignored his points and simply repeated your lies.
>Not true and anyone reading the archive below will see who the liars are!!
Of course, that's not the post to which I refer...
>>>>It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
>>>>carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others.
>>>Name call is not refuting me! What I posted stands on its own and I take note
>>>you didn't attempt to refute it!
>>Nor has Harry called you any names is his refutation.
>NOT TRUE!!
>
>Here is how Harry Katz refuted what I posted. Compare his refutation to what I
>actually posted and anyone with objectivity will see it was no refutation!
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u1in5torofaecj03ldl0cftpb16gcm5rpn%404ax.com&rnum=4
That's *your* post, not Harry's, and doesn't even reference the
refutation to which we refer.
>>>>Ask Mr. Google!
>>Not that it will make any difference to the Most Impotent Liar on
>>Usenet, the Shame of Belleville -- blubberbury.
>The lurkers know who the liars are!
Yep, they sure do fatboy.
>The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
>to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
>typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in FACT.
You mean like the fact that you have *yet* to escrow my $10k, or the
fact that you still haven't grown the balls to file that complaint?
The fact that you take credit for driving Wendy Edeiken out of
business, despite the fact that she is every bit as much a member of
the Shaklee team as she was then? The fact that you "won" the lawsuit
you keep whining about wanting to have refiled? Or maybe the facts
contained in the Findings of Fact which remain in force?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>On 29 Jan 2004 03:53:10 -0800, <2403f93b.04012...@posting.google.com>
>gassen...@dodo.com.au (Gassen Burnham) wrote:
>>Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d995818467ba8a15...@news.teranews.com>...
>>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>> someone claiming to be Barney Fife wrote
>>> in message <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>:
>>> >Classic Repost from May 6, 2001
>>> You misspelled "Classic distortions having nothing whatever to do with
>>> the historical facts of the Holocaust" above, fatboy.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>On the contrary, this post goes directly to the root of why
>>anti-Semitism exists, ie: jews bring it upon themselves by practicing
>>the perversions described by the above quote from the Talmud.
>And what is strange they don't deny I am quoting actual Talmud texts- rather
>they claim I'm not interpreting them correctly!
Nope. The refutation contains both proof that you have quoted
forgeries and that you have misinterpreted what actually *is* there.
Filed that complaint yet?
Barney Fife
rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
>Barney Fife <barney_fife@mayberry01net> wrote in message news:<ka3i101qi15fct32t...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>> >It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
>>
>> I have responded to you- you liar!!
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
>> Subject: Re: Czar and Family Bored S_0123--Tavish's BIG CHANCE to have an
>> actual debate--he better not run away this time!
>> Message-ID: <9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com>
>> Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:12:20 GMT
>
>Again, this is another case of Idiotavish's demonstrable lie, since
>his bullshit has been refuted by me long ago:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=aa65b046.0401250812.50ad2fab%40posting.google.com
>
>And it is to this posting he didn't respond.
That was your reply to my slam dunk of you as the archive above (and below)
chronicles!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
You only repeated the same failed spin doctoring like a needle stuck in a groove
of a skipping record!
My material stands on its own merit and no amount of Jewish Chutzpa, dodges, or
personal attack will refute it!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=7nm1101091fuib1ja...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Czar and Family Murdered v2.0a S_0123
Message-ID: <7nm1101091fuib1ja...@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Jan 2004 09:10:06 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536l51ag%404ax.com&rnum=10&filter=0
Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
Message-ID: <u626vv814v0dt9raq...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
>> >It is also notable that all of Idiotavish's claims about Talmud were
>> >carefully deconstructed by Harry Katz and others.
>>
>> Name call is not refuting me! What I posted stands on its own and I take note
>> you didn't attempt to refute it!
>
>Why, Harry Katz did it.
>
>http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=356DB4D2.A2A307A6%40mci.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
>http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=357CB75E.FAD2ECC0%40mci.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
>http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A050E0C.D09E9437%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
>http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A0E468D.ED80F2FA%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
>http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A20B8F1.81EE2916%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
All of the above are typical means of your type's replies. You butcher the
original post to change the original intent and then you liars comment on YOUR
versions of what we post!
I gave a classic example too!
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u1in5torofaecj03ldl0cftpb16gcm5rpn%404ax.com&rnum=4
Subject: An Example of How Nizkor Archives Private Citizens' "Public Posts" as
Jeffrey Calls Them
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:48:07 -0600
Message-ID: <u1in5torofaecj03l...@4ax.com>
That is how Harry Katz refutes me!
Honest people see the Pharisee method too!
Tavish
Sergey Romanov
> On 29 Jan 2004 11:36:56 -0800, <aa65b046.04012...@posting.google.com>
> rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
>
> >Barney Fife <barney_fife@mayberry01net> wrote in message news:<ka3i101qi15fct32t...@4ax.com>...
> >
> >
> >> >It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
> >>
> >> I have responded to you- you liar!!
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
> >> Subject: Re: Czar and Family Bored S_0123--Tavish's BIG CHANCE to have an
> >> actual debate--he better not run away this time!
> >> Message-ID: <9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com>
> >> Date: 25 Jan 2004 11:12:20 GMT
> >
> >Again, this is another case of Idiotavish's demonstrable lie, since
> >his bullshit has been refuted by me long ago:
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=aa65b046.0401250812.50ad2fab%40posting.google.com
> >
> >And it is to this posting he didn't respond.
>
> That was your reply to my slam dunk of you as the archive above (and below)
> chronicles!
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=9r1710hvf8qsqc1tb...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
You lie again. You still didn't respond to my refutation of your lies:
> >Why, Harry Katz did it.
> >
> >http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=356DB4D2.A2A307A6%40mci.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
> >
> >http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=357CB75E.FAD2ECC0%40mci.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
> >
> >http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A050E0C.D09E9437%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
> >
> >http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A0E468D.ED80F2FA%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
> >
> >http://groups.google.com.ru/groups?selm=3A20B8F1.81EE2916%40earthlink.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
>
> All of the above are typical means of your type's replies. You butcher the
> original post to change the original intent and then you liars comment on YOUR
> versions of what we post!
All of the above refutes your lies about Talmud. Still no response
from you for these particular postings.
€ R.L. Measures
rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
> Barney Fife <barney_fife@mayberry01net> wrote in message
news:<8p7j105eah47at5ll...@4ax.com>...
> > On 29 Jan 2004 11:36:56 -0800,
<aa65b046.04012...@posting.google.com>
> > rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov) wrote:
> >
> > >Barney Fife <barney_fife@mayberry01net> wrote in message
news:<ka3i101qi15fct32t...@4ax.com>...
> > >
> > >
> > >> >It is notable that Idiotavish still haven't responded to me.
> > >>
> > >> I have responded to you- you liar!!
> > >>
> > >>...
> > All of the above are typical means of your type's replies. You butcher the
> > original post to change the original intent and then you liars comment
on YOUR
> > versions of what we post!
>
> All of the above refutes your lies about Talmud. Still no response
> from you for these particular postings.
** You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Talmud. Is there any advice
therein regarding wives top-mounting their husbands? thanks.
--
€ R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org. + in adr = spam trap
vis...@ar.com
wrote:
[clip]
> I will tell you a secret and I hope that you learn from it!
>This is my original-
I LOVE THIS !!!!!
>"If I hear something being debated pertaining
>to a subject that I am not cognizant of, therefore impartial, I
>examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling
>the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar always
>attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the
>opposing premise!"
> Tavish
This is common knowledge but have never seen it stated so well.
Gassen Burnham
VOILA!!!! Dopey has had a catharsis!
Instead of brainlessly denying that the Talmud carries these
nauseating perversions, he now admits them and tries to say it's all
okay because 'the Bible has some strange stuff in it'!
Perhaps your sickening attempt at dismissing the seriousness of
pederasty would be more credible if you could point out the 'strange
stuff' in the Bible that rivals the Talmuds support of child
molestation?
No 'cause that would inflate the point you are trying to deflate.
Gassen Burnham
Gassen Burnham
Why thank you, sir.
Stephen Bayzik
> Why thank you, sir.
Your welcome.
What about your own (Christian) back yard?
Matthew 27: 23-26
Let see how good you circumlocution skills.
--
Stephen Bayzik
SeaWolf
I would like to read some of this stuff for myself!
"Gassen Burnham" <gassen...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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Yitzchak Goodman
Rabbinic Sources Refuting Anti-Semitic Lies and Deception
Part 1: Relations with a Minor
The Rabbis of post-Biblical generations
made legally binding decrees. In the
Talmud, the Rabbis will often
state that something is permitted by Torah law
and the reader will be expected to know
that the act in question is Rabbinically forbidden.
The Talmud is also prone to discuss one
narrowly defined point of law at a time.
As a result, although the Talmud contains source
material for many practical rulings, it is
difficult to use the Talmud to determine
the practical ruling in any given case.
The best way to determine how the Sages of
the Talmud actually rule is to consult one
of the later codifications of Jewish law.
The following uses either the Code of Maimonides
or the Shulchan Aruch. Although that material
is mostly omitted here, the commentaries
printed in the standard Hebrew editions
of Maimonides provide references to
the relevant portions in the Talmud.
In Hilchot Ishut 3:19 (Based on Kiddushin 41a)
Maimonides states that although a father can have
his daughter betrothed when she is a minor by Torah law,
"mitvat chachamim le'adam shelo yekadeish adam bito keshehi
ketana . . ." "It is a commandment of the Sages
for a man not to have his daughter married when
she is a minor . . . " See Hilchot Ishut 3:21 that a person
who effects kiddushin (betrothal) through intercourse
with a woman of any age receives [Rabbinic]lashes.
Hilchot Ishut 1:4: "Anyone who has relations with
a woman [of any age] for the sake of
harlotry and without betrothal is given
lashes from the Torah . . ."
******************************************
"One [a male] who has relations with a male
or who causes a male to have relations with
him--once penetration has occurred, if
they are both adults, they are both executed
by stoning, as it says (Leviticus 18:22)
"Do not lie with a male"--whether one is the active
or passive participant. If one participant
is a minor of nine years old and one day
or older, the adult, whether the active or passive
participant, is stoned and the minor
is exempt. If the minor is nine years
old or less, they are both exempt.
However, it is proper for the court
to give the adult lashes since he had
relations with a male, even one less than
nine years old."
(Maimonides, Hilchot Isurei Biah 1:14)
The Maggid Mishnah [loc. cit] comments here:
"The matter of 'lashes for rebellion'
[the term for Rabbinic lashes] was
already explained that it is like all
such cases where the ruling is 'exempt
but forbidden.'"
*********************************************************
Part 2: Theft or Robbery of a Gentile
Any one who steals, even the worth of a penny,
violates the commandment "You shall not
steal" (Leviticus 19:11) and is required to
make restitution. It doesn't matter whether one steals
the money of a Jew or the money of a Gentile."
(Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 348:2)
"It is forbidden to rob or withhold money, even the smallest amount,
whether from a Jew or a Gentile . . ." (Shulchan Aruch,
Choshen Mishpat 360:1)
*************************************************************
Part 3: Ethics Concerning Gentiles in General
". . . it appears to me that in regard to respect and honor
and also in regard to charity, a resident alien is to be treated
as a Jew, for behold, we are commanded to sustain them
as Deuteronomy 14:21 states: "[You may not eat any animal
that has not been properly slaughtered . . .] give it to
the resident alien in your gates that he may eat it."
Though our Sages counseled against repeating a greeting to them,
that statement applies to idolators and not resident aliens.
[However,] our Sages commanded us to visit Gentiles when ill,
to bury their dead {just as we are responsible to bury}
Jewish dead, and support their poor together with Jewish
poor for the sake of peace. Behold, [Psalms 145:9] states:
"G-d is good to all and His mercies extend to all His works"
and [Proverbs 3:17] states "Its ways are pleasant and all
its paths are peace." (Maimoides, Hilchot Melachim 10:12,
R. Tauger's translation--Moznaim 1987--with my interpolation
between curly braces.)
Hope you enjoyed it,
Yitz
Gassen Burnham
> Is there a Talmud on line that can be read or downloaded!
> I would like to read some of this stuff for myself!
>
You could try this site:
Eb Dawson
yitz...@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman) wrote:
>Subject: Re: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Distorts V2.0 S_0201
I made no distortion and you are a liar BUT what can one expect from the very
people whom Jesus referred to as the Children of the Father of Lies?
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
--Devilish Satanic Liars and enemies of Christ and all men identified--
CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL (BELIAL) IDENTIFIED:
John 8:
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..
<<When Jews lie and repeat their lies they are only mimicking their Father who
is the Devil aka The Father of Lies. Hence they are of the Dark Force rather
than being of Light or Truth. Just watch Jews and how they operate and the
heritage of Satan and his Spirit operating in them becomes readily apparent. God
is Love and Jews are Hateful or Hostile toward all men (Jews do have love among
themselves though!). 1 Thessalonians 2: 14 For you, brothers, became imitators
of God's churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your
own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, 15 who
killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God
and are hostile to all men.>>
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Having any sympathy for the anti-Christ offspring of Belial (aka Lucifer) is
having SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL (who is their proud father who inspires them)-
which is at its core demonic and un-Christian! King James Version cited below:
Judges 20:13 "Now therefore deliver us the men, the children of Belial, which
are in Gibeah, that we may put them to death, and put away evil from Israel."
2 Corinthians 6:15 "And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath
he that believeth with an infidel?"
http://www.belial.org/enbib/whois.htm (Archived locally as: belial_whois)
"...the ruler of all these newly-made demons was the Prince of Evil, known as
(among other things) Satan, Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. The fallen angels,
who earlier had worked hard for God, became pure, independent and the foremost
enemies of the Christians."
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
Message-ID: <u626vv814v0dt9raq...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ncu5gvoc1nga0k933sgt0sbtglrv1nlb4e%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Communist Holocaust Has Killed Over 100 Million People
Message-ID: <ncu5gvoc1nga0k933...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Jul 2003 15:33:38 GMT
Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
_______________________________________________________________________________
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <krrs10h105h7eea40...@4ax.com>:
>On 1 Feb 2004 21:59:37 -0800, <c338b5c0.04020...@posting.google.com>
>yitz...@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Distorts V2.0 S_0201
>I made no distortion and you are a liar BUT what can one expect from the very
>people whom Jesus referred to as the Children of the Father of Lies?
Name call is all you have, since you cannot refute what was posted,
huh, fatboy?
Where's the proof that my $10k has been deposited in escrow?
Yitzchak Goodman
> On 1 Feb 2004 21:59:37 -0800, <c338b5c0.04020...@posting.google.com>
> yitz...@lycos.com (Yitzchak Goodman) wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Distorts V2.0 S_0201
>
> I made no distortion and you are a liar BUT what can one expect from the very
> people whom Jesus referred to as the Children of the Father of Lies?
Since you have posted a supposed quote from something
called "Libbre David" countless times, perhaps you
would like to tell us what "Libbre David" is?
Yitz