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Classic repost on what Jews really think of Non-Jews and what they teach about
Non-Jews in general! THEIR OWN WORDS PEOPLE!!!

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From: Geva...@aol.com (Gilad J. Gevaryahu)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:25:34 -0400
Subject: More on Aleinu

>This comment from Yeshaya Halevi brings to mind the interpretation I heard
>of this additional phrase (which, incidentally, appears in ALL siddurim in
>Israel).
>
>The word "velarik" in the phrae "she'hem mitpalelim le hevel velarik" is in
>fact gematria. Change the Resh and the Kuf (200 and 100 respectively) for
>the single letter Shin (300) and you have - Yeshu.

"va'rik" has a double meaning in Hebrew; both vanity and spit in
addition to the Gimatria of Jesus. Indeed Jews used to spit when they
said this sentence with the thinking that they spat on
Jesus. Christianity via the censorship was very adamant to cut off this
sentence from the tefilah. The Yiddish expression "Er kummt tsum
oysshpayen" [he comes for the spitting] meant that the person came late
to shul, to the part when one spits (i.e., Aleinu).

Muslims asseted that "hevel" [in the same sentence] is in Gimatria the
numerical value of Muhamad, but the counting is off by 36.

Gilad J. Gevaryahu

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"The sentence "she'hem mishtachavim lahevel varik umitpalelim le'el lo yoshia"
was erased [by the censor] from most sidurim in the Middle Ages, and lately
found its way back into many sidurim. The line was censored because of the
gematria of "varik." "varik" [vav, reish, yod, kuf=316] and so is Jesus [yod,
shin, vav=316]. The Christians thought that the Jews spit at Jesus, since 'rok'
means also spittle, and it was customary to spit on the ground during the
recitation of this tefila. The double meaning, that is Jesus in gematria, and
spittle in Hebrew had to do, according to some, with the spitting on the ground
at that word. The Yiddish expression "er kummt tsum uysshpayen" means "he comes
at the spitting" that is, to describe someone who arrived at the service as late
as the concluding of the tefila at 'aleinu.' See EJ 2:555-558."
-- Gilad J. Gevaryahu

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From: Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz <sabba...@owings-mills.aim-smart.com>
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:12:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Aleynu - the censored verse

> From: Paul Shaviv <sha...@netaxis.ca>
> Surely the explanation of why the verse was censored out of Aleynu is
> much simpler? It is stretching credibility to assume that the censors
> were masters of gematria (although some censors in some places were
> Jewish converts to Christianity).. The phrase "el el lo yashia" ([They
> worship] 'a god who does not save'] is clearly a too-close pun between
> yashia and Yoshua(=Jesus). The spitting is more likely a contemptuous
> gesture by the 'mitpallelim'; the pun is surely the cause for the
> censorship.

The Art Scroll commentary on Aleinu says that a meshumad in 1399
informed the church authorities about the gematriya and that is when the
problem began. I do not think that it was necessarily the Yiddish pun
that was in mid but the gamatriya connection the "nothingness". The
last part of the phrase could have been taken to mean idols, but the
gematriyah made it clear that "y'shu" (and the Roshei Teivot connection
to the spelling is deliberate) was meant.

Said the fox to the fish, "Join me ashore" | Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz
Jews are the fish, Torah is our water | Zovchai Adam, agalim yishakun

~~END~~

http://www.shirhadash.org/rabbi/hhd5757/yomkippur.html
(Link still active May 25, 2003. Archived locally as: yomkippur)
On Other Faiths
Yom Kippur, 5757

Rabbi Melanie Aron

Early this summer, there was a good bit of controversy when the Southern Baptist
Convention announced its "Resolution on Jewish Evangelism". The Baptists voted
to dedicate a portion of their budget to conduct a mission to the Jews,
including hiring missionaries in predominantly Jewish areas, and buying time on
television and on the radio.

[...]

While I don't believe that chosenness in the 1990's is the red flag that it was
in earlier generations, I still feel that we can stress our uniqueness and value
without denigrating the beliefs of others. I am proud that our prayerbook takes
matters a step further, and speaks of the contribution of all religions, in the
words of our Sabbath morning service, "We give thanks for the sages and teachers
of all faiths who have brought many to a deeper understanding of You and Your
will. "(Gates of Prayer Page 322 ).

The traditional Aleinu also suffered from this problem. In earlier times it
included the words: vehem mishtachavim lahevel varek "They bow down to things of
emptiness, without worth"-accompanied, during the enlightened medieval era, by
spitting. The traditional Aleinu still retains a sense of Jewish particularity
about which I am ambivalent- shelo asanu kegoye ha-aratzot velo samanu
kemishpachot haadamah- God who did not make us like the other nations, nor place
us as the families of the earth."

~~END~~

Notice the "Rabbi" stated: "They bow down to things of emptiness, without
worth"-accompanied, during the enlightened medieval era, by spitting. The
traditional Aleinu still retains a sense of Jewish particularity about which I
am ambivalent- shelo asanu kegoye ha-aratzot velo samanu kemishpachot haadamah-
God who did not make us like the other nations, nor place us as the families of
the earth."

The Rabbi is stating if you worship Jesus then "[you] bow down to things of
emptiness, without worth" and he is also saying in essence non-Jews
are less in God's eyes than Jews with his words: "God who did not make us like
the other nations, nor place us as the families of the earth."

New addition December 18, 2003:

http://www.tbe.org/2003/rabbi/OnlineLibrary/NewYear5764.htm
(Archived locally as: JewsSpitAtJesus)
New Year 2003 / 5764 Sermons
<< Return to the Rabbi's Online Library
Day 1 | Day 2 | Kol Nidre | Yom Kippur
Rosh Hashanah

[...]

That’s the power of this prayer, and that’s why today this prayer is as popular
as ever. People rise for it at the end of every service, no matter if the
synagogue is Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist or New Age, and
even those Jews who attend synagogue infrequently are as familiar with this
prayer as they are with any other. It is a high point of the High Holidays.
Heschel said that prayer is meaningless unless it is subversive, unless it seeks
to overthrow the forces of falsehood, and that is what this prayer does. Heschel
also said, “One who has not prayed has not fully lived.” And, I may add, one who
has not prayed the Aleynu has not fully prayed.

Undoubtedly some Jews did see the offending verse as a secret dig at
Christianity, especially since the word “varik,” “emptiness,” has the same
numerical value as the Hebrew name for Jesus, “Yeshu.” Sefardic Jews still
include this verse in their liturgy, and some Hasidic groups have revived it,
incorporating an old custom of spitting when reciting the word “varik,” which
also means “spittle.” In light of the devastation of the Crusades, this prayer
became increasingly popular, in part, to give Jews a secret and safe way of
expressing their rage against their oppressors, a liturgical punching bag of
sorts. Even as this verse has been excised time and time again by censors,
Jewish communities have found ingenious ways to sneak it back in.

So the Aleynu is a paragon of protest, but Jews have found other ways to smash
idols... [S]ubversiveness is nothing new to Judaism, the people who gave the
world Spinoza, Marx and Freud. It’s no accident. The genius of our people stems
from our ability to challenge every sacred cow – and never to be afraid... <END>

The phrase: "[S]ubversiveness is nothing new to Judaism" is most likely one of
the reasons why Jesus said what he said to the Juadaized Jews of his day with
these words: "You belong to your father, the devil.. When he lies, he speaks his
native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44

COMPARE WHAT YOU HAVE READ SO FAR TO THE FOLLOWING:
(Again in the words of Jews themselves.)

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Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
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Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT

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Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought (In Their Own
Words Series) Date: 2001-11-29

http://www.shamash.org/tanach/tanach/commentary/oxford-judaism/capitalism-communism
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[Edited for brevity by Doc Tavish]

This section is from the document '/Jewish Lists/oxford-judaism/930810'.

From shm...@chochma.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 10 12:53:29 1993
To: Jewis...@chochma.demon.co.uk, OxfordS...@chochma.demon.co.uk,
An...@chochma.demon.co.uk
Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought

Dear Oxford-Judaism Subscribers,

Behold... the latest essay. This one is an unedited one about the
medium you are using to access these thoughts... computers, as well
as communism and capitalism. All comments are of course welcome.

All the best,

Shmuley

********************************************************

[...]

The Individual vs. the Community

Perhaps most importantly, the Torah discusses communism. It is
contrasted with the evils of capitalism. But first let us digress for
a moment to discover what capitalism and communism might really mean.

How could one sum up the whole of human history and existence in a
single idea? For me, the human condition is primarily characterised
by the struggle between the self and the community. When we are born,
we feel at one with the world: when the room is cold it feels as
though the whole universe is cold, when we are hungry we think the
whole of creation is hungry, and when we are loved we feel that
everything is loved. It is only through the process of learning how
to cope with the world that we come to see ourselves as disconnected
from those people and things which surround us. We learn to
categorise and we learn to separate, and in doing so we learn to be
selfish. The rest of our lives is the journey back to feeling part of
a community, but through choice and not unawareness, through
knowledge, not ignorance.

It is not surprising that the journey to community is a difficult
one. We are afraid to be alone, but are unwilling to depend on other
people. We like ourselves more than anyone else, but we feel guilty
if we are discovered behaving selfishly. I like the social benefits I
get from living in Britain (free higher education, the welfare state,
the National Health Service), but I don't actually enjoy paying my
taxes.

The major political systems of the world express this internal
struggle: reduced to an almost absurd essence, capitalism thinks that
the community is served by focusing on the individual, communism
thinks the individual is served by putting the rights of the
community first.

Of course, this struggle was not discovered by Marx: he was simply
the one who expressed it for the modern secular world. Thousands of
years before, the Bible had focused on this issue.

[...]

A Jewish Approach to Communism

Still, Abarbanel's comments on the nature of Capitalism as evil must
make us think again about the typical Jewish reaction to Communism.
Since Marxism has often taken the form of an extremely G-dless
totalitarian tool, it has been easy to dismiss such an ideology as
something that Judaism could never embrace.

However, G-dlessness is not a necessary characteristic of Communism.
Communism can even be described as a moral alternative to the
material excesses of Capitalism. To cite a contemporary Jewish
example: there are many kibbutzim in Israel who live by the standards
of economic collectivism, while religious kibbutzim uphold the banner
of Jewish observance. On the other hand, many kibbutzim are not only
non-religious but even violently anti-religious, such as the
Shomer-Haztair movement. The fact that a community in Israel adopts
the kibbutz way of life does not force a person in either direction,
and the adoption of Communism is not necessarily linked to atheism
either.

[...]

The Failure of Communism

The most common response in the west has been that the answer lies
simply in the failure of Communism. Communism failed, therefore
Capitalism must be right.

According to Capitalism, what led the Soviet Union to its final
collapse more than any other reason was the complete failure of its
economic system. The Soviet economy, industry, harvest, and produce
were all in a shambles. People simply got tired of walking into a
store in which all the shelves were empty. The reason for this
complete breakdown was surely the lack of impetus and motivation on
the part of the workers. When each is paid according to what the need
is and not according to how much he or she produces, it becomes
foolish to put in a harder day's work than one's fellow. 'Why should
I? Will my family benefit as a result of being a more devoted
employee? Will that family vacation that I have always dreamed about
become any more of a reality?' The people could see that the ideals
of Marx had not been achieved, and were dissatisfied. So the Soviet
Union stagnated, whereas western materialism flourished- at least for
those empowered economically.

Lubavitch as a Socialist Collectivist System

The standard capitalist approach is vastly incomplete and even
un-Jewish because it assumes, as its basic premise, that people can
only be motivated by reason of material gain...

...This seems to be the kind of thing that Judaism should be
encouraging everyone to do, not just Chassidim. Instead of having
Capitalism ingrained into our religion, surely Judaism could have
set up a system whereby everyone is paid according to their needs,
while encouraging everyone to exert themselves to the utmost in
order to bring about a better world?

[...]

The lure of money

The Torah is obsessed with the notion that we must strive to better
the world in which we live and improve the lot of humankind itself.
But it could have made non-material gains much more of a priority if
it had removed the distracting motivation of financial compensation,
and support for a capitalist economic system, from the picture.

[...]

Prematurely perfect

Communism is not wrong, because the ideals of sharing and community
are right; nor is it an inherently unG-dly regime, as we have seen in
the case of the kibbutzim... ...The problem with communism is that,
although we can imagine a perfect communist state in which wealth is
distributed evenly and fairly, the mechanisms that achieved this would be
impersonal.

<END>

Remember that another Jewish group made apologia for communism too and
here is what I am talking about:

Jewish Communist Sympathy and Identification With Communists
From Chabad Lubavitch Cyberspace Website

In Their Own Words Series

All "searches" in this post were made using:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
(Links active February 11, 2001)

http://www.chabad.org/shavuos/besht.html
Baal Shem Tov
Happy Birthday, Baal Shem Tov! by Tzvi Freeman, author of "Bringing Heaven
Down to Earth - 365 Meditations of the Rebbe" Vivo Icon Listen to stories
of the Baal Shem Tov. Requires Vivo Plugin The Lubavitch Library...

Excerpt: " By the way, that year -- 1848 -- also occupies a central place
in the secular calendar. It was called the "year of revolutions" in
Europe, the most significant year in the fall of the old order. And
another major work by a very different Jewish author was published: The
Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/update/odysseys/episode.008.htm
My Life with the Online Hasidim
Rabbi Perl was ecstatic: "Can you imagine? Five children! I found five
Jewish children!" Photo/Graphic/Quote: Donna Gaines: "I needed to stand in
a traditional synagogue again, to be where women and men are separated...

Excerpt: " Lighting Shabbes candles I felt a connection to all Jewish
women in the world. I was grasping for the roots of what my parents,
Jesus, Marx, Freud, Hannah Arendt, and Lenny Bruce had given me. In his
discussion of machinery and modern industry in Volume I of Capital, Marx
contends that technology in and of itself is neutral; in the hands of the
artisan, a machine is a tool and embodies a certain type of "dearness."
Within capitalist production, where the aim is profit maximization, the
machine is imbued with an evil nature."

http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/7princip.htm
The Seven Principles of Faith and Divine Service for a Non
Just as each of the 613 commandments of the Torah given to the Jewish
people at Sinai possesses an inner dimension, so does each of the seven
Noachide laws possess an inner dimension. These are the seven
principles...

Excerpt: " When a non-Jew does possess a sense of affinity towards Jews,
he merits inspiration from the source of the soul of Israel. He becomes
motivated to be a good person in all of his relations to his fellow man
and to devote his life to the service of G-d. The rectification of the
non-Jewish world in general depends upon the inspiration and insight which
it receives from the Jewish people. In accordance with the principle of
clarification, as defined in Kabbalah, one can always deduce or extract a
spark of good from within the context of evil. The major non-Jewish
religion of Western culture believes in an individual Jew and worships him
as god. This is certainly a great transgression (of the fourth Noachide
commandment defined above). Nonetheless, from this evil we can deduce a
principle of good. The true rectification of the non-Jewish world will
come when it will recognize the Divinely ordained purpose of the Jewish
people to enlighten the world and bring about universal peace and
prosperity..."

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/leap/09end/24.htm
part.04
And yet, they failed! Of the hundreds of millions `devotees' to all these
faiths and causes, only a tiny fraction are truly faithful to them. The
overwhelming majority are self-deluding hypocrites: they take from...

Excerpt: "Believer: Secondly, they did succeed---to the extent that they
do concur with the essence of man and of creation. Communism, despite its
flaws and corruptions, has had a profound effect on our sense of social
justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it perpetrated
and justified, played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan
world, the concepts (though much adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and
non- corporeal G-d and of a messianic end-goal to existence."

http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/life.html
CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life
The idea of everlasting life is rather appealing to most folks. A somewhat
primal yearning seemingly tugs at us to somehow reclaim that certain
something which Adam and Chava lost when they sunk their teeth into...

Excerpt: " And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed, IF:
hypothetical speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of
futility - the socio-historical situation speaks for itself in the
archives of Jewish history) the righteous Jews of the Second Temple period
had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there would never have
risen a religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through
the observance of the Sheva Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be
attained as promised by Hashem to Noach, the resulting fabrication that
everlasting life could come only through belief and worship of a human
being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the teaching
concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life,
had been forced into hiding by the vicious persecution of the Jews, and
the new covenant of Christianity was but a pagan attempt to replace the
eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach."

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Subject: GALILEE FLOWERS By Israel Shamir - February 25, 2001 _ R 2..
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EXCERPT (Click link to read entire archive! It is good too!)

1: Interview with the Lubavitcher Rebbe
http://www.chabad.org/miracle.htm
Torah the answers to their struggles and concerns. Throughout his years
of leadership, beginning in 1950, the Rebbe, in his inimitable style,
applied the depths of Torah scholarship to virtually every area of
life.... (18K)

Excerpt: " This afternoon we heard a lecture by Dr. Block in which he
explained that a Jew has a Divine spark. He didn't say explicitly, but he
intimated that only a Jew has this Divine spark but a non-Jew does not. Is
this so? To illustrate from the body again. Each part has its own
function: the brain to think, the heart to feel, and the legs to carry one
about. So the mission of a Jew in life is to transform the physicality of
the world into spiritual, divine. The non-Jew has a different purpose and
therefore the two do not have the same Divine spark."

2: Insights to Passover Haggadah
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/update/files/g3.htm
The word "Seder" means order. Everything we do tonight, must be done in
proper order. The Holy revelations on Pesach night are similar to the
Divine revelation at the time of Yetzias Mitzraim. Hashem wants the
Kedusha... (31K)

Excerpt: " ANSWER: In order to avoid assimilation our sages instituted
certain ordinances. Among them is the prohibition to drink wine which is
handled by a non-Jew. Throughout history the world has endeavored to
physically annihilate us. Many efforts have been made to detach us from
Hashem and Torah and thus destroy us spiritually. We lift the cup of wine
to indicate that thanks to our adherence to the command of not mingling
with the world by "drinking wine" in their company, we averted their every
effort to destroy us."

(Special Note from Doc Tavish: The Jewish Talmud even elaborates on the
above with this passage: "Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a
Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all
Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us
openly." Jewish Talmud You all can see how the writings complement each
other!)

3: Wellsprings
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/exodus/006/w7.htm
And those who repose in the dust will arise and sing." Sichos In English
22 Shvat, 5755 THREE INTERPRETATIONS THREE CATEGORIES OF MITZVOS
On the verse: [1] "These are the judgments which you shall place before
them,"... (27K)

Excerpt: " With regard to eidus, and surely with regard to chukim, there
is no need to forewarn against approaching non-Jewish judges, for it is
plainly obvious that non-Jewish judges do not share any connection to
these matters. Their rulings depend on human intellect, and they have no
connection to subjects which transcend human intellect."

4: The Chassidic Dimension
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/003/w2.htm
The Midrash comments: "While Avraham was traveling in Aram Naharayim.
he observed the inhabitants eating, drinking and acting frivolously and
wantonly. He said: 'I wish to have no part in this land.' When he
arrived... (18K)

Excerpt: " In the book " In The Ladder Up (Building Block No. 6)" it was
explained that Jews have a neshamah. This is the functional difference
between Jews and non-Jews. There is no Jew alive, no matter how he denies
his Judaism, who has not felt an affinity for another Jew which he cannot
explain. We can describe the neshamah. It is explained in Tanya that the
neshamah is a part of HaShem enclothed in the nefesh (soul) of a Jew. This
is the specific difference between Jews and non-Jews. Jews have a
neshamah, Gentiles do not."

(Special Note from Doc Tavish: The usage of the term "Nefesh" is meant to
claim that only Jews have a "divine soul" as shown here:
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/cjso/ChaiTimes/v2.2/Intermarriage.txt
(Link active for verification 2/24/2001) "There is no Intermarriage!
by Sam Kochman... ..., people must understand the difference between a Jew
and a non-Jew. There is one difference between a Jew and a non-Jew. A Jew
has a Nefesh, a divine soul, which a non Jew does not have. This soul is
part of G-d and this is what makes us Jews, not how many mitzvahs we do or
how good a person we are. The divine union of marriage is between
Nefeshot(two souls). When a Jew "marries" a non-Jew this union cannot
occur because there are not two souls to combine." Their very own words
people-- NOT mine!)

[...]

9: Wellsprings
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/009/w7.htm
Divine service of every Jew. To summarize in brief: a) divine service
involves work, not leisure; b) achdus, unity, is the first stage in these
efforts; and c) the success of these endeavors, and our source of
strength... (21K)

Excerpt: " This points to a difference of a larger scale between Jews and
non-Jews. Even while a Jew is involved with material concerns, he is
living on two planes simultaneously. Not only is he involved with the
material concerns of this world, he shares a connection to the spiritual
truth of the World to Come."

10: Torah Studies - Adaptation of Likutei Sichos
http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/011/w2.htm
Yosef sustained his father and brothers." In light of the above, our Sages
interpret the verse: "Who leads the flock of Yosef," to mean that all the
people of Israel are known by the name Yosef, for it was he who... (18K)

Excerpt: " During this week every Jew will experience the commencement for
the year of the process of golus. Golus, by definition, is an evil. When a
Jew is without his roots, estranged from his spiritual base he experiences
golus. For most Jews today, golus is the time when, engulfed by his
non-Jewish environment, he succumbs to some sort of assimilation or
compromise of his Jewishness.

[Tavish comment: Notice that golus aka evil is compared to a non-Jewish
environment!]

There are still even more! The page has a link to go to:
"Hits 11-20 of a potential 733 hits."
These are only the first of 733 Hits!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/feb98view.html
CB"N - ViewPoint: February 1998

"Although the Jews are prohibited from speaking out against idolatry in
lands outside the land of Israel, we must keep in mind that this is our
land, that these are our people. The Bible is full of stories about what
happens to Gentile lands that do not enforce the prohibition of idolatry.
Why don't we direct our energies on doing something about the idolatry
within our own land? Christianity clearly violates the two primary Laws of
the Torah, that of idolatry and blasphemy. We need to take action. We need
to go on the offensive. We need to strive to establish courts that uphold
all of the Laws of Noah, not just a few of them. And maybe then, when the
Church is too busy trying to save its own idolatrous skin to worry about
converting the Jews, will they have the time to do other things, such as
teach us the Sheva Mitzvot."

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Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website

In Their Own Words Series

All "searches" in this post were made using:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
(Links active February 11, 2001)

If anyone thinks I am making a stretch accusing Jewish teachings of being
bigoted then just use this simple test: substitute Jew or Jewish with
white and non-Jew with non-white. We don't want two standards do we?

Using Keywords in the search engine: non-Jew bread
We get these examples among others:

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/008/w10.htm
The Parted Curtain - 52 steps to Fullfilment
And Yaakov sent messengers." (32:4) QUESTION: Rashi comments: "Malachim
mamash" Actual angels." What right did Yaakov have to use Hashem's angels
as his messengers? ANSWER: In the final pesukim of the previous
parshah,...

Excerpt: " ANSWER: From the fact that a non-Jew hates a Jew, a new halacha
was formulated. If two Jews are eating a meal, one eating meat and the
other dairy, they are not to share one table because they may exchange
some of their food. However, a Jew and a non-Jew are permitted to share a
table, even if one is eating meat and the other is eating dairy. The
reason is that the non-Jew hates the Jew and there will not be any
exchange of food between them."

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/leviticus/009/w6.htm
Insights to Geula
Discover Moshiach" is available in printed format with art clipings. Ideal
for use in School and Home. It is suitable for children and adults. Buy
your own printed version from Rabbi Bell * Electronic version is... (6K)

Excerpt: " The Parsha tells us that Eretz Yisroel is especially holy
during the sh'mita year. Nevertheless, the food which grows may be fed to
non- Jews. If it is so holy, why may it be given to them?"

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/numbers/008/w10.htm
Homily's in Q&A Format on the Weekly Torah Portion
And Balak saw all that Israel had done to the Amorite.And Balak was king
of Moav at that time." (22:2,4) QUESTION: Why isn't he referred to as
"king" in the first pasuk? ANSWER: Balak was not actually the king of...

Excerpt: " In an effort to prevent the Jewish people from intermarrying,
the Sages have forbidden the oil, bread and wine of non-Jews (Shabbat
17b). The word "shefi" - "alone" - is an acronym for "shemanan" - "their
oil" - "pitan" - their bread - and "yeinan" -"their wine." Consequently,
"vayeilech shefi" - he went the route of "shefi" - advising Balak to
invite the Jews to their festivities, where they would partake of
non-Jewish oil, bread and wine."

http://www.mabak.org/Havienu/html/beis_med/prhal/ph-26.html
T'VILAS KEILIM
Which vessels require immersion? The material of the vessel Electrical
appliances Eating in a Jewish restaurant or hotel 7. Disposable vessels
Who can perform the immersion? Source The Torah, in reference to the...

Excerpt: " The requirement of immersion applies to any vessels acquired
from a non-Jew, even when these are new, so long as they are to be used
with food. "Use with food" includes not only utensils in which the food is
served and eaten, but also in or with which the food is prepared, provided
the food is in its final state in this utensil. In regard to utensils
which are used in preparation of the food before this stage, such as
kneading troughs or knives used for ritual slaughter, there are differing
opinions. Hence, they should be immersed, but without a brocho."

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/rambam/daily/Day-092-104/DAY-095.htm
DAY-095
The Torah lists all the non-kosher birds that are not to be eaten.
Research of that list has shown some common characteristics between the
birds that are forbidden as food. Almost all the prohibited birds are
hunters....

Excerpt: " The Torah tells us that some types of food are just not right
for us. Our Neshamah is, in a sense, "allergic" to these foods. The
Neshamah of non-Jews are not affected by eating these foods."

NOTE: Neshamah is the soul and Jews teach that only Jews have Divine Souls
which non-Jews do not have!

LOOK!

Using Keywords in the search engine: Neshamah non-Jew
We get these examples among others:

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/genesis/003/w2.htm
The Chassidic Dimension
The Midrash comments: "While Avraham was traveling in Aram Naharayim. he
observed the inhabitants eating, drinking and acting frivolously and
wantonly. He said: 'I wish to have no part in this land.' When he
arrived...

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/02/19.htm
Tanya (Regular Year): 19 Iyyar
Yetzer Hara also come to love G-d. And for this one must first meditate on
the contents of the blessings of the Shema, which describe the
self-nullification of the angels and other creatures. Thus, the
blessings...

Excerpt: " It is therefore impossible to say that "You have chosen us"
refers to Jewish souls, for there can be no comparison between Jewish and
non- Jewish souls, inasmuch as a Jew's soul (13) "is truly part of G-d
Above.""

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/08/12.htm
Tanya (Regular Year): 12 Mar Cheshvan
Vitebsk (or Horodok), who had settled in the Holy Land in 1777. It
concludes by rousing them to the mitzvah of tzedakah in general, and
particularly of maintaining the family of R. Mendel. The Alter Rebbe is
here...

Excerpt: " [This alludes to the Chayah of the tzaddik, the soul-level
which is even loftier than the soul-level called Neshamah, and which
infuses the followers of the tzaddik with a transcendent mode of
life-force which enables them to withstand challenges from non-Jewish
(i.e., unholy) sources."

http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/lowliness.htm
Lowliness - A Home for G-d
When asked to explain the difference between a Jew and a non-Jew, the
Lubavitcher Rebbe would often answer that a Jew is essentially a giver,
whereas a non-Jew is essentially a receiver. All of the stages of the...

Excerpt: " It is thus the ultimate purpose of the non-Jewish world to
create a most pleasant home for the Jewish people and to arouse them to
descend and enter in full the context of lower reality. So will the Jewish
soul bring redemption and salvation to all reality, and so will the Jewish
home become the sanctuary of G-d. We thus conclude with the thought that
the rectified relation of Jew to non-Jew is almost as one of husband to
wife. The wife, continually serving as a devoted helpmate, experiences her
existential lowliness and dependence on her husband, while the husband
senses the ultimate origin of the soul of his wife, as preceding his
own.."

DID YOU ALL NOTICE THE ROLE OF "HELPMATES" JEWS ASSIGN US? Tavish

http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/NJsoul.htm
The Jewish Soul and the Non-Jewish Soul
Kabbalah teaches that every human soul possesses a full array of ten
sefirot, or spiritual powers. The first three spiritual powers are
intellectual in nature while the following seven are emotional in nature.
In...

Excerpt: "The Jewish Soul and the Non-Jewish Soul The Jewish Soul and the
Non-Jewish Soul In the Jewish, Divine soul, the three powers of the
intellect are its primary motivating force. In the soul of the non-Jew,
the seven emotive powers are its primary motivating force. In the innate
state of the non-Jewish soul the three intellectual powers are
subordinate, and serve the earthbound desires of the seven emotive
powers."

Using Keywords in the search engine: non-Jew divine soul
We get these examples among others:

http://www.chabad.org/miracle.htm
Interview with the Lubavitcher Rebbe
Torah the answers to their struggles and concerns. Throughout his years of
leadership, beginning in 1950, the Rebbe, in his inimitable style, applied
the depths of Torah scholarship to virtually every area of life.... (18K)

http://www.chabad.org/gopher/weekly/Archives/lchaim.w1/5755/1/344.htm
L'Chaim 344 - Vayeishev 5755
Greeks attempted to impose their culture on others. However, their aim was
not to eradicate indigenous cultures, but rather to Hellenize and
assimilate them. Thus, the Greeks were willing to recognize the Torah,...

Excerpt: " The Jew, even while living in the physical world, is intimately
connected to both the physical and spiritual realms, whereas the non-Jew
has no true attachment to spiritual matters."
Excerpt: " I trust, indeed I am quite confident, that this "wild" Project
will bring forth G-d's blessings in a correspondingly "wild" and
extraordinary measure, so that the Project will be implemented and
completed much sooner than expected, and that it will serve as a living
testimony to the vitality and strength of our Jewish people transcending
all limitations and bounds; living testimony to Jews and non-Jews alike."

EVERYONE READ THE LAST SENTENCE IN THE QUOTED EXCERPT BELOW!! THIS IS WHAT
JEWS ENVISION FOR NON-JEWS AND AFTER YOU ALL READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN READ
WHAT I ATTACHED FROM THE BOOK OF ISAIAH! Tavish

http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/sincerity.htm
Sincerity - I am Abraham s Servant
Jew is a son of G-d whereas a non-Jew is intended to be a servant of G-d.
Although a Jew in essence is always a son, when he does not merit (to
manifest the essence of his Divine soul) he is also referred to as a...

Excerpt: " As mentioned above, a Jew is a son of G-d whereas a non-Jew is
intended to be a servant of G-d. Although a Jew in essence is always a
son, when he does not merit (to manifest the essence of his Divine soul)
he is also referred to as a servant. Though in relation to Jewish
consciousness this is definitely a fall, in relation to creation as a
whole, it serves a most positive purpose. As we have seen above, the Jew
must show the way to the non-Jew. When the Jew assumes the state of
servant he inspires the non-Jew to rise to the same calling, to become a
servant of G-d. With the advent of Mashiach, all non-Jews will willfully
serve (the Divine purpose of) the Jewish people."

The Lubavitcher Yids are spelling it out when the Jewish Messiah comes
then: ".. all non-Jews will willfully serve (the Divine purpose of) the
Jewish people."

HERE IS ISAIAH:

Isaiah 60: 9-12, 16 ;61:5,6,9 (English-KJV)

Isaiah 60
9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to
bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the
name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath
glorified thee.
10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings
shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour
have I had mercy on thee.
11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut
day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles,
and that their kings may be brought.
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea,
those nations shall be utterly wasted.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the
breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and
thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Isaiah 61
5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the
alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the
Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in
their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring
among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are
the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

WHETHER BY THEIR JUDAISM OR BY THEIR COMMUNISM-- JEWS ENVISION HAVING
NON-JEWS AS THEIR SERVANTS!!

When will non-Jews stop worshipping these anti-Christs and see them for
what they are? My admonition to all the lemmings who adore the Jews-- stop
being a blind dupe-- stop worshipping the anti-Christs who look down upon
you and will NEVER look upon you as equals! They have not changed-- you
have changed. You believe that there exists a Judeo-Christian unity but
the Jew doesn't and NEVER has!

ADMONITION TO CHRISTIANS:

If you think that it is God's will to have a partnership with Judaism
while embracing Christianity then consider:

1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you
have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be
many antichrists."

1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that
Jesus is the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those
who are trying to mislead you!"

1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God
by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as
having come in the flesh originates with God, but every inspired
expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God,
Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired expression which you
have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."

2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world,
persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is
the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not
bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a
greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his
wicked works."

That last sentence which says: "For he that says a greeting to him is
a sharer in his wicked works." is pretty strong advice!

Doc Tavish

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Newton Joseph

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Mar 1, 2004, 2:12:59 AM3/1/04

Sam Drucker

An apt desciption of you.

Schizophrenia and Christian Fundamentalism
By Newton Joseph
This is a Definition of Schizophrenia and some of its symptoms.
Schizophrenia bears an uncanny resemblance to 'Christian fundamentalism'.
These are not my own definitions; They are snipped from recognized medical
sites and medical encyclopedia.

Definition
Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by
withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and
hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional,
behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with
dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and is
caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.

Symptoms
Delusions
Delusions are false beliefs that are deeply entrenched and
clearly not based in reality and are not consistent with cultural beliefs or
the persons' level of intelligence and life experiences. Persons cling to
these believes even after the believes are shown to be false.

These false beliefs may be very difficult for family or friends
to understand, since they do not make sense. Again, a delusion seems as real
to the person as a belief grounded in reality.

Specific Delusions
Bizarre delusions are hallucinations consisting of two or more
voices conversing with each other or of a single voice affecting a person's
behaviors or thoughts.
. Unworthy Said: - "How do I know God has said anything? I have
heard him speak in an audible voice".
. Phoenix said: - "As I was going about my daily task, the Lord
spoke to me...."
Hallucinations
People with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations. That
is, they may hear, see, feel or smell things that are not there. Just as in
a dream, where fantastic events can not be distinguished from real events,
hallucinations can not be distinguished from real events. Thus, the
hallucination of a voice talking is perceived in the brain just like a real
person talking.

Discussions about their objective truth or plausibility of the
hallucinations are not valuable. The experience is true and very vivid to
the patient and has to be accepted as such. Attempts to "set the person
straight" result in resistance, tension, and bad feelings.

Hallucinations are false perceptions or unreal apparitions. They
do not correspond to the stimuli that is present and have no basis in
reality. You have to remember that what is an hallucination in one culture,
is not in another.

'Ray of light' believes he can fly around outside of his
physical body.

disorganized speech or behavior
A person with schizophrenia may have disorganized speech or
behavior; so that what they do or say does not make much sense.

Read any post made by 'Young'.

Preoccupations
These are fixed ideas, not necessarily false (like delusions)
but overvalued. That means they take on extraordinary importance and take up
an inordinate amount of thought time.

One idea often returns and returns. Frequently it is a worry
about doing the right thing or doing it well or doing it in time.
Characteristically, the worry grows and becomes unrealistic. A common
sequence of events is for the worry to take up so much of a person's time
that the "right thing" does not get done and its not being done is then
attributed to the bad motives of others. Or it may be rationalized as God's
wish.

These kinds of explanations sound odd to others but to the
patient they seem warranted. He does not understand why others see them
merely as "excuses." To him they explain the facts better than any other
explanation he can think of.

Sometimes these preoccupations have a mystifying character to
them. They seem to require puzzling over and decoding. The schizophrenic
patient spends much time in this kind of activity and that is why he thinks
he has solved mysteries that others haven't, since they have spent no time
at it.

Denial of illness
Some individuals are able to admit to themselves that they could
ever be deficient or vulnerable in any way. Most illnesses that start in
late adolescence tend to be denied because adolescence is a time when
deficiencies are hard to accept. The problem of illness denial is that it
makes treatment impossible. This is true of all illnesses that require
treatment and is not specific for schizophrenia. Since lack of treatment in
schizophrenia can have serious consequences, families need to be especially
firm about this.

Schizophrenic Symptoms are continuous and persistent

Secondary symptoms (Mechanisms patients may develop to cope with
fundamental symptoms).

Hallucinations, Paranoid ideation, Grandiosity. argumentative,
Superiority complex, inappropriate laughter.

This describes chic-n-little perfectly. chic even types
"*laughin*" at the end of many sentences regardless of the absence of humor.

Sam Drucker

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Mar 1, 2004, 11:46:53 AM3/1/04

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 07:12:59 GMT, <%nB0c.1790$Zo6...@twister.socal.rr.com>
"Newton Joseph" <drnj...@socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Sam Drucker
>
> An apt desciption of you.
>
> Schizophrenia and Christian Fundamentalism
> By Newton Joseph
> This is a Definition of Schizophrenia and some of its symptoms.
>Schizophrenia bears an uncanny resemblance to 'Christian fundamentalism'.

Keep hanging yourself you dumb Jew. I post what you Rabbis teach and in their
own verifiable words and now you are trying toproject your mental illness on
tome! WEON'T WORK AND I HOPE EVERYONE READING THIS TAKES NOTE!!!

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Subject: Jews Spitting on Jesus During Aleinu (In Their Own Words Series)
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Date: 13 Jun 2003 17:34:27 GMT

~~Psychoanalysis Conceived by Jew and Used as Mind Control by Marxists~~
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Subject: The Soviet Art of Brainwashing-- A Synthesis of the Russian Textbook
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:28:27 -0500
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Subject: Soviets Abused Psychiatry To Repress Their Opposition (UPGRADED) V2.1
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http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/~garea/freud.html
(Link active July 10, 2003, Archived locally as: psychEDU_freud)
Biography of Sigmund Freud
Sigmund Freud was the father of psychology. Freud began his education in
1873 at the University of Vienna. He went to medical school and spent much time
studying physiology and neurology...
In 1902 he was appointed associate professor at the University of Vienna
and he founded the Vienna Psychoanalytic Society... There were major divisions
in the field while Freud and his followers tried to promote psychoanalysis
outside of Vienna.... <END>
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/freud/freud01.html
(Link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: loc_freud)
Sigismund Schlomo Freud was born on May 6, 1856, in the small town of
Freiberg, now part of the Czech Republic... The city was a hothouse for radical
innovations in politics, philosophy, the arts, and sciences... Many have
investigated and speculated about the role of religion in Freud's thought.
Born into a Jewish family with religious roots, Freud would live a secular
life while continuing to identify himself as a Jew... <END>

Have a good day you Khazir Pharisee!

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