Celtic Lands and the English
Felix The Cat
Every Celt is always complaining about every Saxon.
Yet we have all beat up on each other. Genocide is a pattern
of legend and nature. Look at the history of Tazmania if you
don't believe me.
I am of almost every race. I am a product of countless
invasions and arguments. I am Norse. I am Irish. I am
English. I am French. I am Italian. I am German and
Bavarian, I am Native American. I say;
"Let us make our peace, for my parents and ancestors surely
proved it possible. Got a problem? Go fuck each other.
Problem solved."
--
Felix The Cat ~ Ren
Elvis J.R. III
The ʸ cAbAl
Bulldata since 1989
Jim Bowery
Felix The Cat (fel...@goodnet.com) wrote:
: "Let us make our peace, for my parents and ancestors surely
: proved it possible. Got a problem? Go fuck each other.
: Problem solved."
Erocide is worse than genocide because it is more deniable.
Ask any artist, always keep a supply of pure colors on hand.
Dank featureless masses can be interesting on occasion, but not as the
end-state of a moral system.
Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
--
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
Change the tools and you change the rules.
Dawnwalker
FUCK is such a nice thing to say. its really to good a word to use as a
perjorative. mmmmm fuckfuckfuck
:P
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:43:38 -0700, Felix The Cat <fel...@goodnet.com> wrote:
>Every Celt is always complaining about every Saxon.
>
>Yet we have all beat up on each other. Genocide is a pattern
>of legend and nature. Look at the history of Tazmania if you
>don't believe me.
>
>I am of almost every race. I am a product of countless
>invasions and arguments. I am Norse. I am Irish. I am
>English. I am French. I am Italian. I am German and
>Bavarian, I am Native American. I say;
>
Igr...@mail.nsh.chisp.net
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:15:45 GMT, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
wrote:
>Erocide is worse than genocide because it is more deniable.
>
Having sex is worse than mass murder?? What?!?
>Ask any artist, always keep a supply of pure colors on hand.
Sure, because the artist is **creating** paintings, which means
colors, mixtures of colors. Humans also have different colors because
we are part of nature, which mixes colors.. (Unless, of course, you
somehow have, say, pink eyes, pink hair, pink teeth. If you don't,
then you yourself are not a pure color, are you?)
>Dank featureless masses can be interesting on occasion, but not as the
>end-state of a moral system.
>
I submit that any system that promotes or defends racism is immoral.
>Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
Improving them. :-)
>The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
Prove this or be laughed at. Give reputable citations or I (and,
probably, others) will dismiss you as an ignorant pretender.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
So long as the tools include facts and self-respect
Southwynde
Jim Bowery
Igr...@mail.nsh.chisp.net wrote:
: On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:15:45 GMT, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
: wrote:
: >Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
: Improving them. :-)
Sort of like turning Jews into ashes improved them? :-)
--
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
Paal-Eirik Filssunu
Karen McFarlin wrote:
> Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
> minglings. This is all to the good.
A Scandinavian boat-builder can
> produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
> something.
***I see, So that's the Long and Short of it then????***
"I love Pygmies! They taste so good on sticks!"-
Chief Kzamebele-Tatoyo, c.1897, German Togoland, West Africa
Karen McFarlin
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
Bowery) wrote:
> Felix The Cat (fel...@goodnet.com) wrote:
> : "Let us make our peace, for my parents and ancestors surely
> : proved it possible. Got a problem? Go fuck each other.
> : Problem solved."
>
> Erocide is worse than genocide because it is more deniable.
>
> Ask any artist, always keep a supply of pure colors on hand.
>
> Dank featureless masses can be interesting on occasion, but not as the
> end-state of a moral system.
>
> Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
> --
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
minglings. This is all to the good. A Scandinavian boat-builder can
produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
something.
There are no "pure colors". Humans belong to one huge extended family -
which probably had its origin in Africa.
Learn to live with it. Better yet - learn to love it!
Cairns: the last hairy Celto-Norse caveman.
James C. Woodard
At last, someone enters this thread with a sense of humor.
Jim
Paal-Eirik Filssunu wrote in message <6clnik$s0p$1...@gte2.gte.net>...
>Karen McFarlin wrote:
>
>> Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
>> minglings. This is all to the good.
>
>A Scandinavian boat-builder can
>> produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
>> something.
>
>
Harald and Gerda
>Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
>minglings. This is all to the good. A Scandinavian boat-builder can
>produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
>something.
>
>There are no "pure colors". Humans belong to one huge extended family -
>which probably had its origin in Africa.
Gee, what a tempting target. There is so much that comes to mind - so many
different ways to go with this. But hey, we've been up and down this road a
few too many times already.
But I just have to say this about the distictive illustration involving the
pygmy princess: Karen, you've been spending too much time in
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting your brain... lol
Steelfoot
loki
Harald and Gerda wrote: (after snipping any attributions that would
tell me who wrote this):
I'm presuming it was our dear Cairns that wrote the stuff at the top.
Now, Steelfoot, if you've gone and decided that our Cairns is a woman
just because he shares an account with one, you're dumber than I
thought.
It's gonna get interesting when he reads your reply.
Loki - ducking to get out of the way.
Harald and Gerda
loki wrote in message <34EF98B5...@inlink.com>...
>Harald and Gerda wrote: (after snipping any attributions that would
>tell me who wrote this):
>
>I'm presuming it was our dear Cairns that wrote the stuff at the top.
>
>Now, Steelfoot, if you've gone and decided that our Cairns is a woman
>just because he shares an account with one, you're dumber than I
>thought.
>
>It's gonna get interesting when he reads your reply.
>
>Loki - ducking to get out of the way.
Good for you Loki, duck - that's pretty much in keeping with your name-sake.
When someone corss-posts to a ng in which they are unfamiliar, and the name
appearing in the from field is that of a women, one would logically believe
that the cross-poster is a women.
Dumber than you think? I haven't seen any proof yet that you do think...
So, if some fellow by the name of Cairns wrote the original post, I say the
same to him. The post was obviously intended to be antagonistic. So Cairns :
Your spending too much time on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting
your brain...
Steelfoot
Jim Bowery
Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
: Bowery) wrote:
: > Ask any artist, always keep a supply of pure colors on hand.
: Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
: minglings.
... as well as demic isolations in environmewnts with strong selective
pressures as a result of biologically rapid migration out of Africa.
Edward O. Wilson (who Jared Diamond picked as his premiere reviewer on the
jacket sleeve of "Guns, Germs and Steel", states in his own book "On Human
Nature") that 50 generations is all that is required for substantial
environmental adaptation to take place at the genetic level. Jared
Diamond himself has claimed in his prior writings that the high phenotypic
variation among Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Ethiopian) that makes them
appear similar to the local populations is due less to interbreeding with
local populations than to genetic adaptation to the local environment.
While I disagree that such profound genetic adaptations are _that_ fast,
I must point out that even your own authorities are hardly consistent
with your premise.
It's all on a spectrum that can be shifted by technologies such as
transportation. Aboriginal demic isolation was much greater than it has
been since accounting systems and the wheel enabled vastly increased
mercantile activities between previously isolated demes.
Genes diffuse at a _rate_ and evolutionary adaptation takes place at a
_rate_. The result is there are _gradients_ upon which people sometimes
place boundaries (of varying utility) to designate "races" but more
importantly, there are "nations" -- centers of demic evolution where new
genes can be tested out by virtue of the fact that mutations tend to
be recessive and require inbreeding to be expressed.
: This is all to the good.
A sense of proportion is in order.
: A Scandinavian boat-builder can
: produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
: something.
Yes. They are of the same species. So are animals
: There are no "pure colors". Humans belong to one huge extended family -
: which probably had its origin in Africa.
Cavalli Sforza, LL, Menozzi, P, and Piazza, A, in their 1059 page 1994
opus "The History and Geography of Human Genes", disagree with "racial"
distinctions as having utility, but then go on to state that one of the
most urgent crises facing mankind is the loss of demic information as a
result of the post _1492_ technology diffusion that has greatly increased
the rate at which previously isolated demes are seeing genes diffuse into
their populations. This has given rise to the "Human Genetic Diversity
Project" which exists for the sole purpose of gathering as many samples of
these demic genotypes before they are wiped out. Unfortunately, many of
these peoples have seen Italians come around to them before with strange
new ideas -- ideas that say we are "all one in Christ" -- ideas that
resulted in decimation of their ancient peoples by trade and transport of
pathogenic moral systems, technologies, germs and, as even the academics
in "diversity means interbreeding" universities like Stanford are starting
to admit, human genes. As a result many of our most valuable
repositories of genetic diversity are not cooperating with the effort to
preserve the genetic heritage of their ancestors.
: Learn to live with it. Better yet - learn to love it!
: Cairns: the last hairy Celto-Norse caveman.
Some of the most enthusiastic proponents of Christianity were the Teutonic
Knights. The fact that northern peoples can be easily infected with "we
are all one and now go spread the word and (and our genes)" propaganda is
simply a consequence of one of the most important genetic adaptations to
the north: The ability to take on and follow seemingly insane and totally
unnatural moral systems and follow them to the gene-death of the
individual, usually after taking out many other tribes as well as his own
tribe.
This is known as "politics".
Jim Bowery
Errata:
Jim Bowery (jabo...@netcom.com) wrote:
: Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: : A Scandinavian boat-builder can
: : produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
: : something.
: Yes. They are of the same species. So are animals
of different breeds...
The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
Collin White
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
> Edward O. Wilson (who Jared Diamond picked as his premiere reviewer on the
> jacket sleeve of "Guns, Germs and Steel", states in his own book "On Human
> Nature") that 50 generations is all that is required for substantial
> environmental adaptation to take place at the genetic level.
<snip>
> While I disagree that such profound genetic adaptations are _that_ fast,
> I must point out that even your own authorities are hardly consistent
> with your premise.
Perhaps I'm being nerdy, but any first year ecology student could
tell you that changes in generic structure (adaptation) can occur in the
space of one generation. Spontaneous mutation, if affecting the right
genes, as well as environmental factors, such as predation and simple
geographic isolation can do this.
An example of a "substancial environmental adaptation" occuring in
one generation would be the Peppered Moths of England during the late
1800's. (re: industrial melanism) Though it is a strech from moths to
humans, similar pressures could result in similar phenotypic effects.
I would agree with your above statement from E.O., but only if
those 50 generations came and went in an isolated petri dish.
> Genes diffuse at a _rate_ and evolutionary adaptation takes place at a
> _rate_. The result is there are _gradients_ upon which people sometimes
> place boundaries (of varying utility) to designate "races" but more
> importantly, there are "nations" -- centers of demic evolution where new
> genes can be tested out by virtue of the fact that mutations tend to
> be recessive and require inbreeding to be expressed.
Again, perhaps I'm interjecting too much science for a religious
NG, but A) not all mutations recessive. In fact they are equally
dominant, recessive, or codominant. This, of course, depends upon what
genes or group of genes are being mutated; and B) Mutations can occur
during the S phase of celular DNA synthesis, during Interphase or
Metaphase of mitosis, as well as during almost any point during meiosis
I. There are others as well. My point is that all of this can happen in
a perfectly healthy individual, and thus is not necessarily the result of
inbreeding.
Collin White
Karen McFarlin
In article <6cogo5$j4d$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, "Harald and Gerda"
<doc...@winternet.com.removethis> wrote:
> So, if some fellow by the name of Cairns wrote the original post, I say the
> same to him. The post was obviously intended to be antagonistic. So Cairns :
> Your spending too much time on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting
> your brain...
>
> Steelfoot
Antagonistic to who? A white supremist? Who cares what they think, they're
a bunch of wankers? And what's this shite about alt.binaries whatever? Is
that where you're posting from? I don't see it in the headers.
The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
Cairns
loki
Harald and Gerda wrote:
> Good for you Loki, duck - that's pretty much in keeping with your name-sake.
There are other things about me in keeping with my name-sake. Nah,
you're not worth the effort.
> When someone corss-posts to a ng in which they are unfamiliar, and the name
> appearing in the from field is that of a women, one would logically believe
> that the cross-poster is a women.
Unless one actually read the sig at the end of the post.
> Dumber than you think? I haven't seen any proof yet that you do think...
That's fine. From what I can tell of your posts you don't have a brain
so you couldn't tell if I think or not anyway.
I notice that you use "women" as a singular. You do it twice so it's
not a typo. Interesting.
Loki
Karen McFarlin
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
Bowery) wrote:
>This has given rise to the "Human Genetic Diversity
> Project" which exists for the sole purpose of gathering as many samples of
> these demic genotypes before they are wiped out. Unfortunately, many of
> these peoples have seen Italians come around to them before with strange
> new ideas -- ideas that say we are "all one in Christ" -- ideas that
> resulted in decimation of their ancient peoples by trade and transport of
> pathogenic moral systems, technologies, germs and, as even the academics
> in "diversity means interbreeding" universities like Stanford are starting
> to admit, human genes. As a result many of our most valuable
> repositories of genetic diversity are not cooperating with the effort to
> preserve the genetic heritage of their ancestors.
I knew if I waited around long enough, and waded through all this
pseudo-scientific stuff, we'd get to the point! Yours is summed up in the
line, located above;
"repositories of genetic diversity are not cooperating with the effort to
preserve the genetic heritage of their ancestors".
Which translates as 'people are marrying outside their race'. Which in
turn implies that they are betraying their own heritage. (Sneaky little
nazis!) We'll have to chastize those naughty college kids!
I like the part about blaming it on the Romans! That's really an
interesting touch.
> Some of the most enthusiastic proponents of Christianity were the Teutonic
> Knights. The fact that northern peoples can be easily infected with "we
> are all one and now go spread the word and (and our genes)" propaganda is
> simply a consequence of one of the most important genetic adaptations to
> the north: The ability to take on and follow seemingly insane and totally
> unnatural moral systems and follow them to the gene-death of the
> individual, usually after taking out many other tribes as well as his own
> tribe.
Well then, I suppose it's too late to save us. My Celtic x40 greatgrandpa
married a Saxon girl and the bloodline became contaminated with (Yuck!)
Germanic blood. (Of course it had been contaminated much earlier, when one
of my x60 greatgrandma's became the love slave of some guy named Flavius
in the 5th Legion. Damned mongrel Romans!)
We're already "gene dead" then, aren't we? I mean, the Celt raped an
Italian who gave birth to mongrel who married an African who produced a
child who moved to Gaul and married a Syriac-Jewish Christian who was
half-Greek on his grandmother's side. Whew, let me see if I can follow
this...then the next coupling was that unfortunate incident with the Hun,
followed by Vikings...ah shit, I can't keep track! (God help us - let's
not even mention the Muslim occupation of Spain!)
I suppose I'll just have to live with it. (And here I thought I was just
an "American".
> This is known as "politics".
Indeed? It looks like sillyness to me.
Cairns
Karen McFarlin
> Errata:
>
> Jim Bowery (jabo...@netcom.com) wrote:
> : Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
> : : A Scandinavian boat-builder can
> : : produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
> : : something.
>
> : Yes. They are of the same species. So are animals
>
> of different breeds...
>
> The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
> accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
> their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
> geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
> --
Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
Cairns; and all his blond children.
(I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
loki
Karen McFarlin wrote:
> In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> Bowery) wrote:
> > The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
> > accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
> > their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
> > geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
> Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
> Cairns; and all his blond children.
>
> (I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
You know, I get a real kick out of these folks (not you Cairns) who
claim that it's all breeding. Good grief.
I can also trace at least one of my lines back to the year 800 or
thereabouts (I'd have to go look it up). I'll put my geneology up
against those folks any day. I'll bet I come out "more pure" than they
do (by their definition, not mine). Not that I give a damn either.
It's folks like them that frighten me. They also sadden me. What a
dull world theirs would be.
Loki
Harald Steelfoot
Karen McFarlin wrote in message ...
>In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
>Bowery) wrote:
>
>> Errata:
>>
>> Jim Bowery (jabo...@netcom.com) wrote:
>> : Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
>> : : A Scandinavian boat-builder can
>> : : produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell
you
>> : : something.
>>
>> : Yes. They are of the same species. So are animals
>>
>> of different breeds...
>>
>> The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
>> accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
>> their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
>> geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
>> --
>
>Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
>
That's funny. How much viking is actually in your blood?
>Cairns; and all his blond children.
>
>(I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
Then why all this nonsense in the first place? White supremist has nothing
to do with me or any of mine. Heritage and culture do. From your own words
they also appear important to you...
As far as the genetic concerns, people will argue that to death with no
intelligent conclusion.
I would answer the other issue here as well, rather than sending two posts
about this. Your post was antagonistic because it was somewhat frivilous -
and that it was intended to ruffle feathers. As was my original response.
Now that everyones feathers are ruffled, lets just let it die an ugly
death...
Frith
Steelfoot
Harald Steelfoot
loki wrote in message <34F06C5C...@inlink.com>...
>Harald and Gerda wrote:
>
>> Good for you Loki, duck - that's pretty much in keeping with your
name-sake.
>
>There are other things about me in keeping with my name-sake.
Like what? Sneaky trouble-maker?
> Nah, you're not worth the effort.
>
Your call...
Steelfoot
loki
Harald Steelfoot wrote:
>
> loki wrote in message <34F06C5C...@inlink.com>...
> >Harald and Gerda wrote:
> >
> >> Good for you Loki, duck - that's pretty much in keeping with your
> name-sake.
> >
> >There are other things about me in keeping with my name-sake.
>
> Like what? Sneaky trouble-maker?
As a matter of fact, yes. <grin> Actually my favorite gambit is to pit
my enemies against each other. I like that one a lot. Then there's not
being quite what I seem to be.
Actually, I'm better known for just getting rid of the past and starting
fresh. There's also the bit about stating that which no one else will
say. (You know, "The emperor has no clothes", that bit.)
> > Nah, you're not worth the effort.
> >
>
> Your call...
It stands. This is my last post on this subject.
> Steelfoot
Jim Bowery
Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
: Bowery) wrote:
: >This has given rise to the "Human Genetic Diversity
: > Project" which exists for the sole purpose of gathering as many samples of
: > these demic genotypes before they are wiped out. Unfortunately, many of
: > these peoples have seen Italians come around to them before with strange
: > new ideas -- ideas that say we are "all one in Christ" -- ideas that
: > resulted in decimation of their ancient peoples by trade and transport of
: > pathogenic moral systems, technologies, germs and, as even the academics
: > in "diversity means interbreeding" universities like Stanford are starting
: > to admit, human genes. As a result many of our most valuable
: > repositories of genetic diversity are not cooperating with the effort to
: > preserve the genetic heritage of their ancestors.
: I knew if I waited around long enough, and waded through all this
: pseudo-scientific stuff, we'd get to the point! Yours is summed up in the
: line, located above;
: "repositories of genetic diversity are not cooperating with the effort to
: preserve the genetic heritage of their ancestors".
: Which translates as 'people are marrying outside their race'. Which in
: turn implies that they are betraying their own heritage. (Sneaky little
: nazis!) We'll have to chastize those naughty college kids!
Actually, I was referring, quite specifically, to the reports that the
Stanford project is having trouble collecting genetic samples from
indigenous populations because the people (especially tribal elders)
are understandably suspicious.
: I like the part about blaming it on the Romans! That's really an
: interesting touch.
Blaming Christianity on the Romans? Well, it's true that it isn't
entirely their fault. The Jews were the primary source and beneficiaries
of Christianity.
Jim Bowery
loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
: Karen McFarlin wrote:
:
: > In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
: > Bowery) wrote:
: > > The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
: > > accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
: > > their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
: > > geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
:
: > Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
:
: > Cairns; and all his blond children.
: >
: > (I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
: You know, I get a real kick out of these folks (not you Cairns) who
: claim that it's all breeding. Good grief.
How do you translate "breeding is important" to "it's all breeding"?
..in particular when I've been saying that what is bred in to the northern
bloodlines is a peculiar susceptability to enculturation?
Jim Bowery
Collin White (col...@tiac.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
: > Edward O. Wilson (who Jared Diamond picked as his premiere reviewer on the
: > jacket sleeve of "Guns, Germs and Steel", states in his own book "On Human
: > Nature") that 50 generations is all that is required for substantial
: > environmental adaptation to take place at the genetic level.
: <snip>
: > While I disagree that such profound genetic adaptations are _that_ fast,
: > I must point out that even your own authorities are hardly consistent
: > with your premise.
: Perhaps I'm being nerdy, but any first year ecology student could
: tell you that changes in generic structure (adaptation) can occur in the
: space of one generation.
"can" and "do" are different concepts. Wilson's claim is clearly focused
on significant phenotypic changes actualy observed under the normal
variation in environmental pressures. He is somewhat beyond first year
ecology although when it comes to thought taboos, he does run into trouble
with his intellectual integrity.
The fact that evolutionary "noches" hit population from time to time
is important, but the overall rate of phenotypic change isn't equal
to the maximum rate.
: > Genes diffuse at a _rate_ and evolutionary adaptation takes place at a
: > _rate_. The result is there are _gradients_ upon which people sometimes
: > place boundaries (of varying utility) to designate "races" but more
: > importantly, there are "nations" -- centers of demic evolution where new
: > genes can be tested out by virtue of the fact that mutations tend to
: > be recessive and require inbreeding to be expressed.
: Again, perhaps I'm interjecting too much science for a religious
: NG, but A) not all mutations recessive.
Again, you aren't being unreasonable.
No one said "all mutations are recessive" anymore than anyone said
"the at maximum selective pressures it takes 50 generations for
significant phenotypic changes to evolve".
What is wrong with your reading comprehension?
: In fact they are equally
: dominant, recessive, or codominant. This, of course, depends upon what
: genes or group of genes are being mutated; and B) Mutations can occur
: during the S phase of celular DNA synthesis, during Interphase or
: Metaphase of mitosis, as well as during almost any point during meiosis
: I. There are others as well. My point is that all of this can happen in
: a perfectly healthy individual, and thus is not necessarily the result of
: inbreeding.
See the classic 1939 paper on the evolution of dominance by Fisher for a
much clearer picture than that painted by Mendell.
Further, and this is important to keep in mind when discussing "genes" the
molecular biological definition of "gene" is not the same as the classic
definition of "gene". The real genetic correlates of macroscopic
phenotypes are not single molecular genes, but systems of molecular genes
that tend to ride along with each other, not simply because they are
colocated and therefore avoid recombination, but because they coevolved
and tend to end up with each other despite recombination. This is all
the more reason to be concerned about ultimate value of randomly mixing
populations. Such mixes are important for experimental value, and far
lower risk than mutantions -- and they are also important for creating
kinship bonds between potentially hostile tribes -- but hybrid vigor goes
only so far. In the extreme cases, such as the mule, it goes for exactly
one generation.
Cara...@pop3.concentric.net
Karen McFarlin wrote:
> In article <6cogo5$j4d$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, "Harald and Gerda"
> <doc...@winternet.com.removethis> wrote:
snip of drivel with zero semantic content
> > Steelfoot
Snip of response to same
> The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
> all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
>
> Cairns
Ahh Lad, but it is a problem to those who only breed with family members due to a
fear of genetic contamination. perhaps that is the case with the individual(s) to
which you responded.
May your path be light and may Light be your Path
Rick Brewster (who is now living (?) in Vancouver Wa. and misses his beloved
Trinity Co as much as you would miss your habitat)
Jim Bowery
PJS (P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Why is this a "crisis"? A "disppointment" perhaps, if you're a geneticist, but
: calling it one of the most ugent crises facing mankind is surely 'enormous and
: disgusting hyperbole'?
You may think that irreplaceable genetic diversity is of value primarily
for its historic value to geneticists, but there are others who hold very
different opinions.
It is abundantly clear that those who claim that "genes don't matter"
will never come to a meeting of the minds with those who claim that
"genes do matter". Cultural supremacists want to portray their beliefs
as universally true and define as "evil" those who disagree and merely
want to isolate themselves from what they see as the horrendous
consequences of the "universalist" belief system. The cultural
supremacists then proclaim that any attempt at true sovereign separation
is "supremacist" despite the fact that supremacy cannot exist without
comingling of differing populations -- the only situation in which one
population comes to determine the fate of another population by virtue of
their supposed "superiority".
The burning times could have been avoided were it not for precisely such
"witch hunts" that would not leave people alone -- but instead went after
them with a definition of "evil" that "justified" all manner of evil itself.
I do not hold you to be "evil" because you will not agree with my
valuation of genetic diversity.
I do, however, hold you as evil if you will not support the
self-determination of peoples, even when they do not adopt your particular
(and historically very peculiar) cultural values.
Jim Bowery
PJS (P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On 22/02/98 06:09, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
: <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
: > ... as well as demic isolations in environmewnts with strong selective
: > pressures as a result of biologically rapid migration out of Africa.
: > Edward O. Wilson (who Jared Diamond picked as his premiere reviewer on the
: > jacket sleeve of "Guns, Germs and Steel",
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Excellent book. Also nice and heavy for hitting racial supremacists with...
How about Jewish supremacists?
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"As we shall see, the peoples of northern Europe contributed nothing of
fundamental importance to Eurasian civilization until the last thousand
years; they simply had the good luck to live at a geographic location
where they were likely to receive advances (such as agriculture, wheels,
writing, and metallurgy) developed in warmer parts of Eurasia. In the
New World the cold regions at high latitude were even more of a human
backwater. The sole Native American societies to develop writing arose
in Mexico south of the Tropic of Cancer; the oldest New World pottery
comes from near the equator in South America; and the New World society
generally considered the most advanced in art, astronomy, and other
respects was the Classic Maya society of the tropical Yucatan and
Guatemala in the first millenium A.D."
-- Jared Diamond "Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies" p22
From the sleeve of the book:
"Jared Diamond, professor of physiology at the UCLA School of Medicine, is
the author of the best selling and award-winning "The Third Chimpanzee",
about which Diane Ackerman has written: "Wonderful,... Through insight
and illumination, Jared Diamond conducts his fascinating study of our
behavior and origins with a naturalist's eye and a philosopher's cunning."
Jared Diamond began his scientific career in physiology and expanded into
evolutionary biology and biogeography. He has been elected to the
American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Sciences,
and the American Philosophical Society, and has received a MacArthur
Foundation fellowship and the Burr Award of the National Geographic
Society. He has published over 200 articles in DISCOVER, NATURAL
HISTORY, NATURE and GEO magazines."
------------------------------------------------------------
What Mr. Diamond ignores are points such as:
* The earliest known uses of the wheel were from the Ukraine.
* The largest freestanding structures 7000 years ago were built by the
longhouse societies of the north.
* Metalurgic history had to be revised based on the copper alloy
discovered with the 5000 year old "Iceman" recently discovered in the
Swiss Alps (and the "Iceman"'s DNA more closely resembles modern
Norwegians than any other single demic group)
* Other metalurgic sites, such as the earliest known bronze-age sites
were colocated with the Tarim Basin culture -- a culture that is now
known to have been, at that time, occupied by horsemen who were 2 meters
tall in stature (including the women) and with hair and facial features
more reminiscent of north western europe than any other locale -- and
that it is this culture that is thought by some to have been the origin
of bronze technology in ancient chinese civilization.
In other words, Diamond doesn't simply extrapolate beyond the facts in
his slam against northern europeans and praise of "warmer parts of
eurasia" (by which he means places where Jews and their religions of
brotherhood of all mankind such as Christianity, Marxism and Political
Correctness came from -- religions they promote most effectively among
other populations but mysteriously fail to promote effectively within
their own) -- he flies in the face of known facts and refuses to
acknowledge reasonable and accepted diversity of academic opinion just
so that he can work his evils against his lay readership.
Jim Bowery
Cara...@pop3.concentric.net wrote:
: Ahh Lad, but it is a problem to those who only breed with family members due to a
: fear of genetic contamination. perhaps that is the case with the individual(s) to
: which you responded.
Code word for "inbred sister fucking red-neck hillbillies", right?
Talk about zero semantic content...
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking
about intermarriage at, say, the second or third cousin level.
The fact of the matter is the royal houses of Europe had a serious
problem with hemophillia after AFTER they started accepting the genes of
Ashkenazi Jewish wealth -- the only other population that had a
significant incidence of hemophillia.
Up until recently, the Hutterites did not suffer the fate of other
isolated populations like the Amish, and retained their original tribal
genetic makeup that originated hundreds of years ago among 20 to 30
individuals from Germany. Far from proving your point about the horrors
of inbreeding, the Hutterites are resented throughout the midwest and
south central Canada for being the most prosperous farmers in the region,
with the highest population growth rate of any northern european deme.
It is significant that another highly prosperous population that seems to
attract hostility, the Jews, is not so fortunate as they tend to
experience a higher rate of deliterious recessives expressing in their
population. But I don't see anyone going after either of these
JUDEOCHRISTIAN groups with a moral pick-axe...
Shez
In article <6cq07d$pm6$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, Harald Steelfoot
<sk...@assetmax.com.removethis> writes
>
>loki wrote in message <34F06C5C...@inlink.com>...
>>Harald and Gerda wrote:
>>
>>> Good for you Loki, duck - that's pretty much in keeping with your
>name-sake.
>>
>>There are other things about me in keeping with my name-sake.
>
>Like what? Sneaky trouble-maker?
>
>>
>
>Your call...
>
>
>
>
>
Keep this idiocy up and your likely to find out .......
--
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needlessly incendiary remarks should be ignored. All authentic
messages from this address will bear this disclaimer, although spoofed messages
may as well.
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lc...@neumedia.net
In article <karen-22029...@206.245.195.21>,
ka...@snowcrest.net (Karen McFarlin) wrote:
>
> In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> Bowery) wrote:
>
> > Errata:
> >
> > Jim Bowery (jabo...@netcom.com) wrote:
> > : Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
> > : : A Scandinavian boat-builder can
> > : : produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
> > : : something.
> >
> > : Yes. They are of the same species. So are animals
> >
> > of different breeds...
> >
> > accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
> > their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
> > geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
>
> Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
>
> Cairns; and all his blond children.
>
> (I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
>
Well, I'm truly impressed! I can only trace my father's line back 8
generations and that takes me back to the beginning of the eighteenth
century. 22 generations must take you back to...what? the 1400's?
lcruz
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Harald and Gerda
Shez wrote in message ...
>In article <6cq07d$pm6$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, Harald Steelfoot
><sk...@assetmax.com.removethis> writes
>>
>>
>Keep this idiocy up and your likely to find out .......
>
Implied threats here, implied threats there. Do you folks honestly believe
you have a monopoly on bolts from the blue? Regardless -
This is the stupidest effin pissin' contest I have ever been involved in. It
serves none of us well. I am through with it...
Steelfoot
loki
Harald and Gerda wrote:
> Shez wrote in message ...
> >Keep this idiocy up and your likely to find out .......
> Implied threats here, implied threats there. Do you folks honestly believe
> you have a monopoly on bolts from the blue? Regardless -
Actually, what I think Shez was referring to was my temper. I'm not
easily angered and I certainly don't go looking for fights but when one
presents itself to me, I don't back down.
You were baiting me. I was ignoring you. Let's leave it at that.
[snip]
> I am through with it...
Good.
Loki
PJS
On 21/02/98 18:50, in message <6co3rl$4gp$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, "Harald
and Gerda" <doc...@winternet.com.removethis> wrote:
> >Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
> >minglings. This is all to the good. A Scandinavian boat-builder can
> >produce a viable offspring with a pigmy princess. That ought to tell you
> >something.
> >
>
>
> >There are no "pure colors". Humans belong to one huge extended family -
> >which probably had its origin in Africa.
>
>
>
> Gee, what a tempting target. There is so much that comes to mind - so many
> different ways to go with this. But hey, we've been up and down this road a
> few too many times already.
>
> But I just have to say this about the distictive illustration involving the
> pygmy princess: Karen, you've been spending too much time in
> alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting your brain... lol
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Pygmies don't have royal families and therefore there is no such thing as a
pygmy princess.
PJS
> : Modern humans are the result of a myriad of blendings and genetic
> : minglings.
>
> ... as well as demic isolations in environmewnts with strong selective
> pressures as a result of biologically rapid migration out of Africa.
> Edward O. Wilson (who Jared Diamond picked as his premiere reviewer on the
> jacket sleeve of "Guns, Germs and Steel",
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Excellent book. Also nice and heavy for hitting racial supremacists with...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> states in his own book "On Human
> Nature") that 50 generations is all that is required for substantial
> environmental adaptation to take place at the genetic level. Jared
> Diamond himself has claimed in his prior writings that the high phenotypic
> variation among Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Ethiopian) that makes them
> appear similar to the local populations is due less to interbreeding with
> local populations than to genetic adaptation to the local environment.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Or ... er ... diet?
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>
> : There are no "pure colors". Humans belong to one huge extended family -
> : which probably had its origin in Africa.
>
> Cavalli Sforza, LL, Menozzi, P, and Piazza, A, in their 1059 page 1994
> opus "The History and Geography of Human Genes", disagree with "racial"
> distinctions as having utility, but then go on to state that one of the
> most urgent crises
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Why is this a "crisis"? A "disppointment" perhaps, if you're a geneticist, but
calling it one of the most ugent crises facing mankind is surely 'enormous and
disgusting hyperbole'?
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> facing mankind is the loss of demic information as a
> result of the post _1492_ technology diffusion that has greatly increased
> the rate at which previously isolated demes are seeing genes diffuse into
> their populations. This has given rise to the "Human Genetic Diversity
> Project" which exists for the sole purpose of gathering as many samples of
> these demic genotypes before they are wiped out. Unfortunately, many of
> these peoples have seen Italians come around to them before with strange
> new ideas -- ideas that say we are "all one in Christ" -- ideas that
> resulted in decimation of their ancient peoples by trade and transport of
> pathogenic moral systems, technologies, germs and, as even the academics
> in "diversity means interbreeding" universities like Stanford are starting
> to admit, human genes. As a result many of our most valuable
> repositories of genetic diversity are not cooperating with the effort to
> preserve the genetic heritage of their ancestors.
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Aha ... now you're becoming, shall we say, eccentric. Eccentricity bordering on
that depicted by Peter Cushing in a film called 'The Creeping Flesh', but
enough of that, for now...
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>
> : Learn to live with it. Better yet - learn to love it!
>
> : Cairns: the last hairy Celto-Norse caveman.
>
> Some of the most enthusiastic proponents of Christianity were the Teutonic
> Knights. The fact that northern peoples can be easily infected with "we
> are all one and now go spread the word and (and our genes)" propaganda is
> simply a consequence of one of the most important genetic adaptations to
> the north: The ability to take on and follow seemingly insane and totally
> unnatural moral systems and follow them to the gene-death of the
> individual, usually after taking out many other tribes as well as his own
> tribe.
>
> This is known as "politics".
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What are you, some sort of anarchist?
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>
> --
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
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..or some sort of survivalist? I think we should be told.
Jim Bowery
Collin White (col...@tiac.net) wrote:
<nit picking deleted>
: In fact they are equally
: dominant, recessive, or codominant. This, of course, depends upon what
: genes or group of genes are being mutated; and B) Mutations can occur
: during the S phase of celular DNA synthesis, during Interphase or
: Metaphase of mitosis, as well as during almost any point during meiosis
: I. There are others as well. My point is that all of this can happen in
: a perfectly healthy individual, and thus is not necessarily the result of
: inbreeding.
See the classic 1939 paper on the evolution of dominance by Fisher for a
much clearer picture than that painted by Mendell. In the classic
definition of "gene" still used by zoologists in describing the
phenotypes of populations, mutations _are_ typically recessive, and for
the reasons given by Fisher.
The discussion of "genes" is so hobbled by taboos, it is genuinely tragic
when additional confusion is foisted on the field by the experts
themselves, but the molecular biological definition of "gene" is not the
same as the classic definition of "gene". The real genetic correlates of
macroscopic phenotypes are not single molecular genes, but systems of
molecular genes that tend to ride along with each other, not simply
because they are colocated and therefore avoid recombination, but because
they coevolved and tend to end up with each other despite recombination.
This is all the more reason to be concerned about ultimate value of
randomly mixing populations. Such mixes are important for experimental
value, and far lower risk than mutantions -- and they are also important
for creating kinship bonds between potentially hostile tribes -- but
hybrid vigor goes only so far. In the extreme cases, such as the mule, it
(hybrid vigor) goes for exactly one generation.
Jim Bowery
Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
: Bowery) wrote:
: > their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
: > geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
: Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
"Albion's Seed" has a section on the Norse origin of Quakers, and the
resemblance of their meeting halls to the great halls of the Vikings.
As someone with predominantly Quaker heritage, I can also tell you
that my Quaker relatives were "Scots Irish" folk who looked more like
the big hulking Danish Viking types than most of the people I see
dressed up for various Asatru gatherings.
Their "silent" meetings are actually not "silent" but more akin to the
Sumbel, where there is no "preacher" but rather each individual stands up
and speaks from the heart. The Quakers call it "the inward light".
I call it, the ancestral kin fetch.
: Cairns; and all his blond children.
: (I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
I see, so you consider ancestry important for your family but not for the
rest of us.
You must get along with Jews famously, or should I say infamously?
Karen McFarlin
>
> You know, I get a real kick out of these folks (not you Cairns) who
> claim that it's all breeding. Good grief.
>
> I can also trace at least one of my lines back to the year 800 or
> thereabouts (I'd have to go look it up). I'll put my geneology up
> against those folks any day. I'll bet I come out "more pure" than they
> do (by their definition, not mine). Not that I give a damn either.
>
> It's folks like them that frighten me. They also sadden me. What a
> dull world theirs would be.
>
> Loki
800! Now I've got genaeological envy! Oh well, I'll just have to keep
digging. Hope I don't find any more Vikings in there!
*/;)>
Cairns
Karen McFarlin
> Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
> : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> : Bowery) wrote:
>
> : I like the part about blaming it on the Romans! That's really an
> : interesting touch.
>
> Blaming Christianity on the Romans? Well, it's true that it isn't
> entirely their fault. The Jews were the primary source and beneficiaries
> of Christianity.
The Jews have been blamed by Christians for the death of Christ and have
been savagely persecuted since that time. I fail to see how they've
benefitted from "christianity"!
Cairns
Derrick Parfitt
On 22 Feb 1998 17:56:19 GMT, ka...@snowcrest.net (Karen McFarlin)
wrote:
>In article <6cogo5$j4d$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, "Harald and Gerda"
><doc...@winternet.com.removethis> wrote:
>
>> So, if some fellow by the name of Cairns wrote the original post, I say the
>> same to him. The post was obviously intended to be antagonistic. So Cairns :
>> Your spending too much time on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting
>> your brain...
>>
>> Steelfoot
>
>Antagonistic to who? A white supremist? Who cares what they think, they're
>a bunch of wankers? And what's this shite about alt.binaries whatever? Is
>that where you're posting from? I don't see it in the headers.
>
>The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
>all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
>
>Cairns
Get the hel out of alt.religion.asatru.
___________________
Derrick Parfitt
derr...@erols.com
Derrick Parfitt
Get the hel out of alt.religon.asatru you bunch of wannabees.
___________________
Derrick Parfitt
derr...@erols.com
Igr...@mail.nsh.chisp.net
On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:23:00 GMT, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
wrote:
>Igr...@mail.nsh.chisp.net wrote:
>: On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:15:45 GMT, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
>: wrote:
>
>: >Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
>
>: Improving them. :-)
>
>Sort of like turning Jews into ashes improved them? :-)
Nope. Quite a bit like crossing two strains of a crop or a valuable
animal species to bring about improvement But, of course, one must
have the requisite humility to realize that the species in question
(humans) CAN be improved. Some persons happen to believe
(desperately!) that *their* particular ethnic sub-group is already
perfect, and all other sub-groups are inferior. Sound familiar?
BTW, don't you find it odd to be defending racism by the results of
previous racial genocide?
Jim Bowery
Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
: Bowery) wrote:
: > Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: > : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
: > : Bowery) wrote:
: >
: > : I like the part about blaming it on the Romans! That's really an
: > : interesting touch.
: >
: > Blaming Christianity on the Romans? Well, it's true that it isn't
: > entirely their fault. The Jews were the primary source and beneficiaries
: > of Christianity.
: The Jews have been blamed by Christians for the death of Christ and have
: been savagely persecuted since that time. I fail to see how they've
: benefitted from "christianity"!
You ignore the fact that Jews flourished exactly where Christianity spread.
Kin altruism and reciprocal altruism are the two primary organizing
principles in evolution. They correspond roughly to the principles of
Christianity (or any universal religion) and Judaism (or any tribal
religion) respectively, or to socialism and capitalism respectively.
The sine qua non of kin altruism/Christianity/socialism is that it works
only within tribal societies -- that is -- relatively small, genetically
related populations with common cultural values that are not at odds with
such a familial structure. These are societies in which the evolutionary
definition of "kinship" is operative. They, however, cease being as
effective in dealing with other tribes due to the fact that they no longer
possess reciprocal altruism as a morally consistent tool due to their
moral constraints. (In societies where honor is everything, such
impossible moral systems can be particularly devistating.)
Introduction of other tribes or populations to a Christianized tribe
results in a rise of "defection" in the game theoretic situation called
"the prisoner's dilemma" -- a situation in which cooperation benefits
everyone but in which a greedy individual can benefit at the expense of
those who treat them as kin. As a result, defection spreads among a
population that relies on kin altruism/Christianity/socialism as soon as
that society becomes pluralistic. In such a situation, Christianity's kin
altruistic morals and socialism's humanitarian ideals fail to activate,
within the defector, the sense of kin altruism these morals and ideals are
supposed to elicit -- and which they do tend to elicit within more
isolated tribal societies. Instead, they incentivize further defection.
Reciprocal altruism/intertribalism/capitalism relies on keeping accounts
for past interactions within what is known as the "iterated prisoner's
dilemma" -- so that a "tit for tat" strategy may be followed to keep
defection in check. This can be made relatively stable in the presence of
genetic pluralism.
When Christ said the new law was "love thy neighbor as thy self" and was
to replace the Jewish custom of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a
tooth", he was reserving to the more tribalistic (and supremacist)
religion of Judaism the keys to inter-tribal or inter-national trade
during a period of encroaching pluralism. Christianity required the
tribes to the north to engage in kin altruism alone, despite the fact
that, increasingly, they found themselves interacting with and in the
presence of tribes who were not their kin -- tribes who were not morally
constrained to practice only kin altruism and could therefore also, when
dealing with outside tribes, invoke the more workable reciprocal altruism.
As a result these southern tribes came to dominate inter-tribal trade and
finance even as the more northern nonChristian tribes increasingly turned
to aggressive violence, typified by the Viking Era and the rise of the
Germanic War Gods (the Aesir), in a tit-for-tat reaction to the
encroaching defection created by the JudeoChristian meme/gene complex.
It is interesting to note two things here:
1) The inter-tribal Silk Road of the north apparently operated effectively
prior to the introduction of Christianity, and did not require the intense
degree of account-keeping that resulted in written literacy in the south.
2) The Sephardim, who did not participate in the northern expansion of
Judaism and Christianity until after the Spanish Inquisition, spent most
of their prior history among southern tribes -- tribes who apparently were
not so morally bound to practice kin altruism even when it was unworkable
-- for among those southern tribes, the Jewish tribes failed to flourish
the way their Jewish kin did who went north immediately subsequent to the
Diaspora. This is evidence of a greater susceptibility among northern
peoples to the morals and ideals of Christianity, Marxism and political
correctness (the most modern form of debilitating and exploitable
over-extended kin-altruism).
It's clear that Judaic faith is tribal despite the claims to the
contrary. Y-chromosome analysis shows, in fact, that the Cohen's (a type
of Rabbi) are a very strict patrilineal group, and this observation is
predicted from the strictures around marriage of Cohens. There are other
such laws within Judaic culture that give substance to phrases such as
"members of the tribe".
So the real question isn't whether the Judaic faith is the "real
culprate" in the "Christianization" process, but why should it have been
that two faiths:
1) Antitribal Christianity, preaching intertribal kin altruism
2) Tribal Judaism, preaching intertribal reciprocal altruism
cohabited the same lands subsequent to the Diaspora with the correlations
between genes and faiths so strong that one was, and indeed still is,
virtually a predictor of the other?
Could it have had anything to do with the fact that the antitribal faith
originated with the tribal group that kept its tribal identity?
If not, why not?
Further, why would that same tribal group be, today, so heavily
influential in the modern replacements for religious indoctrination
commonly called "political correctness" in mass media and academia --
preaching antitribal, over-extended kin-altruistic morals once again?
Finally, why is it such a "sin" to ask such questions?
KidElf
suppose they didnt kill the deformed and mentally ill either
--
KidElf
lam...@morgan.net wrote in message ...
>
>> >
>> >: >Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
>> >
>> >: Improving them. :-)
>> >
>> >Sort of like turning Jews into ashes improved them? :-)
>
> This event is proven to not have happened. If one is a historian
>exposing the Holohoax for the fraud that it is in most countries
>of Europe, it equals a healthy prison term.
>
>
>
>>
>> Nope. Quite a bit like crossing two strains of a crop or a valuable
>> animal species to bring about improvement But, of course, one must
>> have the requisite humility to realize that the species in question
>> (humans) CAN be improved. Some persons happen to believe
>> (desperately!) that *their* particular ethnic sub-group is already
>> perfect, and all other sub-groups are inferior. Sound familiar?
>>
>> BTW, don't you find it odd to be defending racism by the results of
>> previous racial genocide?
>
>
>Listen, HISTORY is perverted today. In 1986, the U.S.A., supported
>Saddam Hussein and gave him biological/chemical weapons to fight
>Iran. Today, after years of destroying the Iraqi economy, the USA
>declares them the enemy.
>
> Regarding "racial genocide," please visit the terrorist state of
>Israel. They whine, bitch, and complain what the Germans did to
>them for a few short years in the 1940's. Haven't one noticed that
>the Israeli concentration camps have imprisoned Palestinians for
>decades now?
>
>
>
Osiris
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
> You may think that irreplaceable genetic diversity is of value primarily
> for its historic value to geneticists, but there are others who hold very
> different opinions.
Then, by all means, let them only have sex with whatever ethnic group
they happen to be a part of. Why bother the rest of us with it?
The cultural
> supremacists then proclaim that any attempt at true sovereign separation
> is "supremacist" despite the fact that supremacy cannot exist without
> comingling of differing populations -- the only situation in which one
> population comes to determine the fate of another population by virtue of
> their supposed "superiority".
Groups can "comingle" without having sex, thus contaminating your
precious gene pool so your argument kind of falls apart here.
**snip the incredibly ridiculous "burning times" heart string puller**
> I do, however, hold you as evil if you will not support the
> self-determination of peoples, even when they do not adopt your particular
> (and historically very peculiar) cultural values.
Who's not supporting self determination? It seems that YOU are saying
that people should only hop in the sack with the right kind of person and
that makes YOU the one who is opposed to self determination. We have no
problem with anyone mixing with whomever they choose. Feel free.
--
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Osiris
> : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> : Bowery) wrote:
> : > The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
> : > accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
> : > their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
> : > geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
>
> : Well, I'm convinced! Friends don't let friends marry Vikings.
>
> "Albion's Seed" has a section on the Norse origin of Quakers, and the
> resemblance of their meeting halls to the great halls of the Vikings.
>
> As someone with predominantly Quaker heritage, I can also tell you
> that my Quaker relatives were "Scots Irish" folk who looked more like
> the big hulking Danish Viking types than most of the people I see
> dressed up for various Asatru gatherings.
>
> Their "silent" meetings are actually not "silent" but more akin to the
> Sumbel, where there is no "preacher" but rather each individual stands up
> and speaks from the heart. The Quakers call it "the inward light".
>
> I call it, the ancestral kin fetch.
>
> : Cairns; and all his blond children.
>
> : (I can trace my father's line back 22 generations.)
>
> I see, so you consider ancestry important for your family but not for the
> rest of us.
>
> You must get along with Jews famously, or should I say infamously?
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
>
As someone who has just picked up this thread, I must say I'm somewhat
confused. I'm American which almost automaticly means I am a "mutt". I
can also trace at least part of my heritage at least all the way back to
the 1200s. So why the big deal with "racial purity"? Genes, like all
things in nature, change, evolve, and adapt. Things are not meant to
stay the same.
--
Osiris (who can proudly claim relationship with William Wallace but
isn't worried about "purity")
Jim Bowery
Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
: > You may think that irreplaceable genetic diversity is of value primarily
: > for its historic value to geneticists, but there are others who hold very
: > different opinions.
: Then, by all means, let them only have sex with whatever ethnic group
: they happen to be a part of. Why bother the rest of us with it?
Well, let's take for example the telecommunications act of 1934
which placed the monopoly on the broadcast airwaves in the hands
of the same ethnic mafias that originated JudeoChristianity out
of the Mediterranean, and then ask ourselves what the impact of
that cultural bias has been over the last half century.
And that _is_ just one example.
Jim Bowery
Igr...@mail.nsh.chisp.net wrote:
: Nope. Quite a bit like crossing two strains of a crop or a valuable
: animal species to bring about improvement But, of course, one must
: have the requisite humility to realize that the species in question
: (humans) CAN be improved.
Oh, I thought the way new strains of hybrids were usually developed
was by intensive inbreeding for new characteristics with an
occasional outcross -- and then once you have the desired
characteristics expressed in your pure strains, you hybridize them
to expres hybrid vigor. Oh, and you don't use your hybrids as seed...
(You're talkin to an Iowan, mister.)
Jim Bowery
Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
: the 1200s. So why the big deal with "racial purity"? Genes, like all
: stay the same.
Oh, so let's just take all the animals, plants and pathogens from all
ecosystems and mix them all up and see what the fuck happens?
Been there. Done that.
Jim Bowery
: > is "supremacist" despite the fact that supremacy cannot exist without
: > comingling of differing populations -- the only situation in which one
: > population comes to determine the fate of another population by virtue of
: > their supposed "superiority".
: Groups can "comingle" without having sex, thus contaminating your
: precious gene pool so your argument kind of falls apart here.
Can and do are different concepts. Do you think that turning
young children over to Aryan Nations for upbringing would be just
hunkey dorey as long as A.N. didn't physically or emotionally abuse
the children and kept them entertained and passing all the basic
skills tests?
Many of us see the upbringing of children as far more vital a piece
of the puzzle than even "genes don't matter" people like you do --
for we recognize that indeed genes, in the case of northern europeans,
matter least of all -- that we are more plastic and pliable as
youth and are therefore far more vulnerable to biologically destructive
enculturation.
If you go to the seminars by guys like Warren Farrell, you'll see the
highest concentration of aging blonde women anywhere outside of north
hollywood smack houses. Meanwhile, we see their more morally nimble
"sisters" from the Mediterrean beating a hastey retreat to Orthodox
Judaism and other, more socially acceptable, modes of "traditionalism"
right after having spent their youth enjoying the view of young blond men
of the boomer generation sodomizing each other in covens and dying of AIDS.
Did northern europeans really need urban Jeweses like Abzug, Steinem,
Friedan, Dworkin, Adler, Starhawk, and on and on, telling them what
"gender justice" is anymore than Euopean pagans needed Rome and the
Levant telling them what morality was via JudeoChristianity?
: **snip the incredibly ridiculous "burning times" heart string puller**
So you don't think the burning times happened?
: Who's not supporting self determination? It seems that YOU are saying
: that people should only hop in the sack with the right kind of person and
: that makes YOU the one who is opposed to self determination. We have no
: problem with anyone mixing with whomever they choose. Feel free.
Free to choose, after being put through TV's Jewish/Italian propaganda
machine along with academia's politically authorized curricula designed
at places like the University of Chicago -- that "teacher of teachers".
No thanks.
Let me pay my taxes to people who I can go exterminate without it being
called "genocide".
Jim Bowery
Igr...@mail.nsh.chisp.net wrote:
: Nope. Quite a bit like crossing two strains of a crop or a valuable
: animal species to bring about improvement But, of course, one must
: have the requisite humility to realize that the species in question
: (humans) CAN be improved.
I thought the way new strains of hybrids were usually developed
was by intensive inbreeding for new characteristics with an
occasional outcross -- and then once you have the desired
characteristics expressed in your pure strains, you hybridize them
to expres hybrid vigor. Oh, and you don't use your hybrid seed
as breeding stock... you cash in on hybrid vigor.
(You're talkin to a Scotts Irish Iowan, mister.)
Terry Schmidt
I refuse to give in to your facts, my mind is made up, dictated by nature. Look
at the spread of trees, bushes , grasses and you find your answer. As much as you
want to be politically correct, nature as you will see, marches to a different
drummer.
Jim Bowery wrote:
> --
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
--
My real email address is < schmidt at smartt dot com >
She Devil With A Modem
In article <karen-22029...@206.245.195.18>,
Karen McFarlin <ka...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
>Bowery) wrote:
>
>> Blaming Christianity on the Romans? Well, it's true that it isn't
>> entirely their fault. The Jews were the primary source and beneficiaries
>> of Christianity.
>
>The Jews have been blamed by Christians for the death of Christ and have
>been savagely persecuted since that time. I fail to see how they've
>benefitted from "christianity"!
What I fail to see is why anyone on alt.religion.asatru should give
an airborne coital act about any of this crapola. Kindly move this
thread to alt.religion.christian.roman.jewish.bowery.paranoia or
something, willya? It really has not one thing to do with the Nordic
Gods.
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Shez
In article <N.022398....@morgannet.morgannet>, lam...@morgan.net
writes
>
>> >
>> >: >Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
>> >
>> >: Improving them. :-)
>> >
>> >Sort of like turning Jews into ashes improved them? :-)
>
> This event is proven to not have happened. If one is a historian
>exposing the Holohoax for the fraud that it is in most countries
>of Europe, it equals a healthy prison term.
I am also a historian, and your theorys are
hogwash. not even worth refutting, do some research instead of
fantasising how you want history to be.
>
>>
>> Nope. Quite a bit like crossing two strains of a crop or a valuable
>> animal species to bring about improvement But, of course, one must
>> have the requisite humility to realize that the species in question
>> (humans) CAN be improved. Some persons happen to believe
>> (desperately!) that *their* particular ethnic sub-group is already
>> perfect, and all other sub-groups are inferior. Sound familiar?
>>
>> BTW, don't you find it odd to be defending racism by the results of
>> previous racial genocide?
>
>
>Listen, HISTORY is perverted today. In 1986, the U.S.A., supported
>Saddam Hussein and gave him biological/chemical weapons to fight
>Iran. Today, after years of destroying the Iraqi economy, the USA
>declares them the enemy.
>
> Regarding "racial genocide," please visit the terrorist state of
>Israel. They whine, bitch, and complain what the Germans did to
>them for a few short years in the 1940's. Haven't one noticed that
>the Israeli concentration camps have imprisoned Palestinians for
>decades now?
>
>
>
--
Shez
In article <6cqleq$nd2$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, Harald and Gerda
<doc...@winternet.com.removethis> writes
>
>
>Implied threats here, implied threats there. Do you folks honestly believe
>you have a monopoly on bolts from the blue? Regardless -
>
>
>Steelfoot
>
>
Goodbye thanks for all the fish...
Shez
>> Loki
>
>800! Now I've got genaeological envy! Oh well, I'll just have to keep
>digging. Hope I don't find any more Vikings in there!
>
>*/;)>
>
>Cairns
Vikings what will your mate Angus say, he will disown you dear....and
watch your back he is very handy with that axe....
Shez
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
<jabo...@netcom.com> writes
>: >
>: > Blaming Christianity on the Romans? Well, it's true that it isn't
>: > entirely their fault. The Jews were the primary source and beneficiaries
>: > of Christianity.
>
>: The Jews have been blamed by Christians for the death of Christ and have
>: been savagely persecuted since that time. I fail to see how they've
>: benefitted from "christianity"!
>
>You ignore the fact that Jews flourished exactly where Christianity spread.
snipped rubbish.
steelclaw
> 800! Now I've got genaeological envy! Oh well, I'll just have to keep
> digging. Hope I don't find any more Vikings in there!
>
> */;)>
>
> Cairns
Why should you?
Where does it say that our genetic ancestry determines who we are? I can
trace my line back to English, Germanic, and Celtic lines...but,
personally, I don't care. It's who *I* am that determines my life. I
wasn't born into Druidry or part of a pure line of Celts...it's my soul
that makes me who I am and where it's been...not where my great great great
great great grandfather was when he was a child. Yea, that is a part of
me, but over that many generations it's just a fragmented mess now.
If genetic lines is how you people determine how worthy a person is (as in
a status symbol), fine, disreguard me...it's not like it's never been done
before. I just don't understand what the big deal is. Can any of you
honestly explain it to me?
Aurian
aur...@arn.net
Karen McFarlin
In article <34f0fce1...@news.erols.com>, derr...@erols.com (Derrick
Parfitt) wrote:
> >The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
> >all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
> >
> >Cairns
>
>
>
> ___________________
> Derrick Parfitt
Get the hell out of alt.pagan! Or have you forgotten Clontarf and Largs?
(We had to clean all that Norseman off our claymores - whew, what a mess!)
Cairns
Karen McFarlin
In article <MPG.f5b36ddf...@news.interconnect.net>,
osi...@bcni.net (Osiris) wrote:
> In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
> > Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
> > : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> > : Bowery) wrote:
> > You must get along with Jews famously, or should I say infamously?
> > --
As a matter of fact, I get along with Jews just find - it's nazis I can't stand.
Cairns
Osiris
> : the 1200s. So why the big deal with "racial purity"? Genes, like all
> : things in nature, change, evolve, and adapt. Things are not meant to
> : stay the same.
>
> Oh, so let's just take all the animals, plants and pathogens from all
> ecosystems and mix them all up and see what the fuck happens?
>
> Been there. Done that.
Have you now? That must have been interesting. What were you smoking at
the time? BTW in case you didn't notice, a good majority of the animals
which are capable of breeding with each other have; a good many plants
have; and whatever else you wish to mix which is mixable has. The world
didn't fall apart. If you're going to discuss/debate, at least do away
with the fantasy extremist nightmare pictures. Pure fantasy doesn't help
your cause any. I never said what you imply. I said let things follow
their course as they naturally will whether you like it or not.
> --
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
Such an intelligent sig to end such blather with. How sad.
>
--
Osiris
Osiris
> This event is proven to not have happened. If one is a historian
> exposing the Holohoax for the fraud that it is in most countries
> of Europe, it equals a healthy prison term.
Proven? Whoa, did you actually say this? You just swallow that
propaganda whole, don't you? Don't even chew. It must be ignorance
because we wouldn't want to accuse you of being intentionally dishonest,
would we?
Osiris
> : precious gene pool so your argument kind of falls apart here.
>
> Can and do are different concepts. Do you think that turning
> young children over to Aryan Nations for upbringing would be just
> hunkey dorey as long as A.N. didn't physically or emotionally abuse
> the children and kept them entertained and passing all the basic
> skills tests?
Would I turn my child over to Aryan Nimrods to raise? Not on your life.
But hey! More power to ya. You were the one talking about self
determination, weren't you?
**snip a whole lot of paranoid gobbledy-goop**
> : **snip the incredibly ridiculous "burning times" heart string puller**
>
> So you don't think the burning times happened?
Was that what I said? You'll notice that I left my comment in so that
this can be determined. What I said was that your attempt to pull the
burning times into this was pathetic "let's try to yank at the heart
strings" nonsense. And gee, I thought that was pretty clear.
> Free to choose, after being put through TV's Jewish/Italian propaganda
> machine along with academia's politically authorized curricula designed
> at places like the University of Chicago -- that "teacher of teachers".
Jewish/Italian propaganda? Man is your head screwed on too tight. Well,
even if it were so, if you cannot continue to make up your own mind after
watching a television program (or gods forbid don't watch the damn
thing), that isn't my fault. I'm not the one with such a weak will.
What a bleak world you inhabit.
>
> No thanks.
>
> Let me pay my taxes to people who I can go exterminate without it being
> called "genocide".
And a violent streak too? Should we begin examining your childhood to
see just where you lost the screws?
> --
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
Yes, I know I've been warned away from this guy, but he's just TOO
amusing.
Larry Caldwell
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>,
jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) wrote:
> The point being that breeding is important. No where was this more
> accepted than in the ancient Norse tribes who would pride themselves on
> their geneologies -- traditions that lived on in the meticulous
> geneological records kept by the Quakers and Mormons.
Here's hoping that some member of your family manages to breed up,
then. How long has your line been burdened with this unfortunate
strain of cretinism? Your community must be a compassionate one
to help you survive this long. I understand why no woman would
want to breed with you, but perhaps you can find some unsuspecting
stranger to impregnate your sister.
All the best, and I hope she's not too ugly.
-- larry
Jim Bowery
Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
: In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
: > Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
: > : **snip the incredibly ridiculous "burning times" heart string puller**
: >
: > So you don't think the burning times happened?
: Was that what I said? You'll notice that I left my comment in so that
: this can be determined.
And you'll notice I asked a question leaving it open for you to determine
what you meant.
: What I said was that your attempt to pull the
: burning times into this was pathetic "let's try to yank at the heart
: strings" nonsense. And gee, I thought that was pretty clear.
You still haven't answered my question.
: > Free to choose, after being put through TV's Jewish/Italian propaganda
: > machine along with academia's politically authorized curricula designed
: > at places like the University of Chicago -- that "teacher of teachers".
: Jewish/Italian propaganda? Man is your head screwed on too tight.
And JudeoChristianity originated in Rome and the Levant because, oh,
I don't know... those NAZIS did it, right? And we just won't talk
about mafia origins of Hollywood because, well, that would violate
J Edgar "call me Mary, Lansky does" Hoover's policy that made mentioning
the "mafia" a firing offense during the very years that the
Telecommunications Act of 1934 was in effect letting the New World
Vatican recapture the "lost sheep" of the Protestant Reformation.
: Well,
: even if it were so, if you cannot continue to make up your own mind after
: watching a television program (or gods forbid don't watch the damn
: thing), that isn't my fault. I'm not the one with such a weak will.
: What a bleak world you inhabit.
We were discussing children.
: >
: > No thanks.
: >
: > Let me pay my taxes to people who I can go exterminate without it being
: > called "genocide".
: And a violent streak too? Should we begin examining your childhood to
: see just where you lost the screws?
Yeah, me and guys like Thomas "the tree of liberty must be refreshed with
the blood of patriots and tyrants every few generations" Jefferson.
Jim Bowery
PJS (P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On 23/02/98 07:00, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
: <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
: > Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
: > : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
: > : > The cultural
: > : > supremacists then proclaim that any attempt at true sovereign separation
: > : > is "supremacist" despite the fact that supremacy cannot exist without
: > : > comingling of differing populations -- the only situation in which one
: > : > population comes to determine the fate of another population by virtue of
: > : > their supposed "superiority".
: >
: > : Groups can "comingle" without having sex, thus contaminating your
: > : precious gene pool so your argument kind of falls apart here.
: >
: > Many of us see the upbringing of children as far more vital a piece
: > of the puzzle than even "genes don't matter" people like you do --
: > for we recognize that indeed genes, in the case of northern europeans,
: > matter least of all -- that we are more plastic and pliable as
: > youth and are therefore far more vulnerable to biologically destructive
: > enculturation.
: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Classic Nazi doctrine.
Oh really? I didn't know the Nazis got ANYTHING right! What is the
reference?
Jim Bowery
Osirus wrote:
: with the fantasy extremist nightmare pictures. Pure fantasy doesn't help
: their course as they naturally will whether you like it or not.
The only "pure fantasy" here is your belief that "things follow their
course as naturally they will" when humans are inventing and deploying
things like cargo ships and mass media.
Such irresponsibility is, however, typical of the childlike Christian.
Jim Bowery
PJS (P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On 23/02/98 07:00, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
: <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
: > "gender justice" is anymore than Euopean pagans needed Rome and the
: > Levant telling them what morality was via JudeoChristianity?
: The seductive and corrupting "Urban Jewess" myth - more classic Nazi doctrine.
Seductive? Not on your life.
Corrupting... yes.
Jim Bowery
PJS (P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: On 22/02/98 21:44, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
: <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
: > You ignore the fact that Jews flourished exactly where Christianity spread.
: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Not true. Jews were continually expelled en masse from just about every
: mediaeval Christian kingdom. They prospered more in the Islamic world until the
: present century's conflict over Palestine put a stop to that.
Why do Ashkenazi Jews outnumber Sephardic Jews 10 to 1?
Shez
In article <N.022498.175832.44@winwaed>, PJS <P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk>
writes
>On 22/02/98 23:09, in message <N.022398....@morgannet.morgannet>,
>
>
>> > >
>> > >: >Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
>> > >
>> > >: Improving them. :-)
>> > >
>> > >Sort of like turning Jews into ashes improved them? :-)
>>
>> exposing the Holohoax for the fraud that it is in most countries
>> of Europe, it equals a healthy prison term.
>
>Now the mask falls to the floor, revealing a familiar visage with a moustache
>beneath ...
>
a little toothbrush shaped one...(chuckle)
Shez
In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
<jabo...@netcom.com> writes
>PJS (P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: On 23/02/98 07:00, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
>: > Did northern europeans really need urban Jeweses like Abzug, Steinem,
>: > Friedan, Dworkin, Adler, Starhawk, and on and on, telling them what
>: > "gender justice" is anymore than Euopean pagans needed Rome and the
>: > Levant telling them what morality was via JudeoChristianity?
>: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>: The seductive and corrupting "Urban Jewess" myth - more classic Nazi doctrine.
>
>Seductive? Not on your life.
>
>Corrupting... yes.
>
>
Osiris
> : with the fantasy extremist nightmare pictures. Pure fantasy doesn't help
> : your cause any. I never said what you imply. I said let things follow
> : their course as they naturally will whether you like it or not.
>
> The only "pure fantasy" here is your belief that "things follow their
> course as naturally they will" when humans are inventing and deploying
> things like cargo ships and mass media.
>
> Such irresponsibility is, however, typical of the childlike Christian.
Number one, where is this childlike christian? What's the matter, have
to invent enemies now? Number two, the inventions of the human race ARE
part of the natural order. They, like ANY other natural factor simply
add to the flow. And they WILL follow whatever course they follow
whether you like it or not, so you're really accomplishing nothing. The
"pure fantasy" is in your thinking that we should stagnate and no longer
evolve and adapt just because you have a narrow mind. I notice that you
habitually only respond to part of a post. What's wrong, the whole
thing too much for you to handle at one time?
> --
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.
>
--
Osiris
>
> : The seductive and corrupting "Urban Jewess" myth - more classic Nazi doctrine.
>
> Seductive? Not on your life.
>
> Corrupting... yes.
And your true colors show through. You are a bigot and a supremacist.
You may not be a nazi, but you are in the same camp. Anyone who would
take a race of people and insist that they all share a collective
evilness or any such thing is WELL down the road to foolishness and
beyond. This makes ANYTHING you say difficult to listen to without
laughing at best.
loki
Jim Bowery wrote:
> Yeah, me and guys like Thomas "the tree of liberty must be refreshed with
> the blood of patriots and tyrants every few generations" Jefferson.
Yeah, I think you're just the type of tyrant he was referring to.
Loki
loki
Jim Bowery wrote:
>
> Gyp...@netcom.com> <34F369E2...@inlink.com>
> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services
> Distribution:
>
> loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
> would oppose the peaceful separation of peoples of different ideas into
> independent sovereignties.
>
> I do not accept the authority of people like yourselves although I do
> accept your right to live with others of your kind without paying taxes or
> tribute to me and those like me -- and enjoy/suffer the consequences. If
> you cannot accord me and those like me similar respect for our desire for
> self-determination then you are the tyrant.
Nah, if you want to go off and form your own country that's your
business. Just don't go trying to take over mine.
Loki
Laura Geyer
Jim Bowery wrote:
>
> Cara...@pop3.concentric.net wrote:
> : Ahh Lad, but it is a problem to those who only breed with family members due to a
> : fear of genetic contamination. perhaps that is the case with the individual(s) to
> : which you responded.
>
> Code word for "inbred sister fucking red-neck hillbillies", right?
>
> Talk about zero semantic content...
>
> But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking
> about intermarriage at, say, the second or third cousin level.
>
> The fact of the matter is the royal houses of Europe had a serious
> problem with hemophillia after AFTER they started accepting the genes of
> Ashkenazi Jewish wealth -- the only other population that had a
> significant incidence of hemophillia.
I hate to jump into an argument in the middle, especially when I never
actually saw the original post, but I can't pass this up. Unless you are
talking about another incidence of Hemophilia, it has pretty much been
shown conclusively that the problems with this disease which effected
the Royal houses of Europe, including the Romanov's, though the last
century, originated as a novel mutation in Queen Victoria. Like most
genetic diseases hemophilia has actually arisen in the population
numerous times independantly. At any rate it had nothing to do with any
input of genetic material from Ashkenazi Jews.
I agree with your overall point however (I snipped the stuff about the
Hutterites, but it was well taken). Inbreeding is not necessarily a bad
thing-lots of other species do it on a regular basis with no apparent
problem. It only raises the likelihood that any deleterious recessives
will find a mate and become homozygous-but those recessive genes have to
be present to begin with. More often than not this increased risk is
seen as ample justification for people's "ick" factor, without any real
consideration of the facts.
Sincerely,
L. Geyer
PJS
On 22/02/98 20:37, in message <34f0fce1...@news.erols.com>, Derrick
Parfitt <derr...@erols.com> wrote:
> On 22 Feb 1998 17:56:19 GMT, ka...@snowcrest.net (Karen McFarlin)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6cogo5$j4d$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, "Harald and Gerda"
> ><doc...@winternet.com.removethis> wrote:
> >
> >> So, if some fellow by the name of Cairns wrote the original post, I say the
> >> same to him. The post was obviously intended to be antagonistic. So Cairns
> :
> >> Your spending too much time on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting
> >> your brain...
> >>
> >> Steelfoot
> >
> >Antagonistic to who? A white supremist? Who cares what they think, they're
> >a bunch of wankers? And what's this shite about alt.binaries whatever? Is
> >that where you're posting from? I don't see it in the headers.
> >
> >The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
> >all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
> >
> >Cairns
>
>
> Get the hel out of alt.religion.asatru.
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ooh, careful, your mask is slipping . . .
PJS
On 22/02/98 21:44, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
<jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
> Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
> : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> : Bowery) wrote:
>
> : > Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
> : > : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com (Jim
> : > : Bowery) wrote:
> : >
> : > : I like the part about blaming it on the Romans! That's really an
> : > : interesting touch.
> : >
> : > Blaming Christianity on the Romans? Well, it's true that it isn't
> : > entirely their fault. The Jews were the primary source and beneficiaries
> : > of Christianity.
>
> : The Jews have been blamed by Christians for the death of Christ and have
> : been savagely persecuted since that time. I fail to see how they've
> : benefitted from "christianity"!
>
PJS
PJS
On 23/02/98 07:00, in message <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, Jim Bowery
<jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
> Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
> : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
> : > The cultural
> : > supremacists then proclaim that any attempt at true sovereign separation
> : > is "supremacist" despite the fact that supremacy cannot exist without
> : > comingling of differing populations -- the only situation in which one
> : > population comes to determine the fate of another population by virtue of
> : > their supposed "superiority".
>
> : Groups can "comingle" without having sex, thus contaminating your
> : precious gene pool so your argument kind of falls apart here.
>
> Can and do are different concepts. Do you think that turning
> young children over to Aryan Nations for upbringing would be just
> hunkey dorey as long as A.N. didn't physically or emotionally abuse
> the children and kept them entertained and passing all the basic
> skills tests?
>
PJS
> Friedan, Dworkin, Adler, Starhawk, and on and on, telling them what
> "gender justice" is anymore than Euopean pagans needed Rome and the
> Levant telling them what morality was via JudeoChristianity?
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The seductive and corrupting "Urban Jewess" myth - more classic Nazi doctrine.
PJS
On 23/02/98 19:19, in message <karen-23029...@206.245.195.65>, Karen
McFarlin <ka...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
> In article <34f0fce1...@news.erols.com>, derr...@erols.com (Derrick
> Parfitt) wrote:
> > >The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
> > >all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
> > >
> > >Cairns
> >
> >
> > Get the hel out of alt.religion.asatru.
> >
> > ___________________
> > Derrick Parfitt
>
> Get the hell out of alt.pagan! Or have you forgotten Clontarf and Largs?
>
> (We had to clean all that Norseman off our claymores - whew, what a mess!)
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There weren't any Claymores in those days. And some Norsemen fought on both
sides, and some Gaels fought on both sides. Man-in-the-Pub history...
Jim Bowery
loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
: Jim Bowery wrote:
: > Yeah, me and guys like Thomas "the tree of liberty must be refreshed with
: > the blood of patriots and tyrants every few generations" Jefferson.
: Yeah, I think you're just the type of tyrant he was referring to.
And I would assert you are the tyrant in this situation for it is you who
would oppose the peaceful separation of peoples of different ideas into
independent sovereignties.
I do not accept the authority of people like yourselves although I do
accept your right to live with others of your kind without paying taxes or
tribute to me and those like me -- and enjoy/suffer the consequences. If
you cannot accord me and those like me similar respect for our desire for
self-determination then you are the tyrant.
--
Jim Bowery
: >
: > : The seductive and corrupting "Urban Jewess" myth - more classic Nazi doctrine.
: >
: > Seductive? Not on your life.
: >
: > Corrupting... yes.
: And your true colors show through. You are a bigot and a supremacist.
: You may not be a nazi, but you are in the same camp. Anyone who would
: take a race of people and insist that they all share a collective
: evilness or any such thing is WELL down the road to foolishness and
: beyond.
You deleted the list of INDIVIDUALS who arise from a "race" (your term,
keep that in mind) who serve the genetic self interest of that "race" at
the expense of others -- albeit without conscious intent to do so. Many
other such individuals arise in various groups throughout history. This
does not make an entire people evil for allowing such indivduals to arise
from their numbers. It does, however, require that those people respect
the desire of the victims to distance themselves, WITH FULL SOVEREIGNTY,
from their victimizers -- and this moral obligation exists REGARDLESS OF
THE AGREEMENT OVER PERCEPTION/IDEOLOGY AS A RESPECT FOR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
You, by opposing the sovereign separation of people who you believe to
have the wrong 'ideas' about 'genes' are violating their basic human
rights. They are not violating yours by holding those beliefs or by
existing in their own sovereignty and enjoying or suffering the
consequences of those ideas.
You are a tyrant.
Jim Bowery
: > : with the fantasy extremist nightmare pictures. Pure fantasy doesn't help
: > : your cause any. I never said what you imply. I said let things follow
: > : their course as they naturally will whether you like it or not.
: >
: > The only "pure fantasy" here is your belief that "things follow their
: > course as naturally they will" when humans are inventing and deploying
: > things like cargo ships and mass media.
: >
: > Such irresponsibility is, however, typical of the childlike Christian.
In your refusal to accept responsibility for your status as an adult
human being -- a being capable of creating and comprehending technology
and many of its most important consequences.
: Number two, the inventions of the human race ARE
: part of the natural order. They, like ANY other natural factor simply
: add to the flow.
Yeah, the flow, man...
Start rowing.
Derrick Parfitt
This thread has nothing to do with Celtic lands, the English, or
pagan/heathen religion. It shold be dropped as people are just
reacting on emotion now. There is no use to this discourse.
___________________
Derrick Parfitt
derr...@erols.com
Derrick Parfitt
On Wed, 25 Feb 98 01:54:49 GMT, P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk (PJS) wrote:
>On 22/02/98 20:37, in message <34f0fce1...@news.erols.com>, Derrick
>Parfitt <derr...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22 Feb 1998 17:56:19 GMT, ka...@snowcrest.net (Karen McFarlin)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6cogo5$j4d$1...@blackice.winternet.com>, "Harald and Gerda"
>> ><doc...@winternet.com.removethis> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, if some fellow by the name of Cairns wrote the original post, I say the
>> >> same to him. The post was obviously intended to be antagonistic. So Cairns
>> :
>> >> Your spending too much time on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica. It's rotting
>> >> your brain...
>> >>
>> >> Steelfoot
>> >
>> >Antagonistic to who? A white supremist? Who cares what they think, they're
>> >a bunch of wankers? And what's this shite about alt.binaries whatever? Is
>> >that where you're posting from? I don't see it in the headers.
>> >
>> >The fact remains that all the humans on this planet can cross-breed with
>> >all the other humans on this planet. Is there a problem here?
>> >
>> >Cairns
>>
>>
>> Get the hel out of alt.religion.asatru.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>ooh, careful, your mask is slipping . . .
>
What mask is slipping?
___________________
Derrick Parfitt
derr...@erols.com
Karen McFarlin
In article <MPG.f5b36ddf...@news.interconnect.net>,
osi...@bcni.net (Osiris) wrote:
> >
> > "Albion's Seed" has a section on the Norse origin of Quakers, and the
> > resemblance of their meeting halls to the great halls of the Vikings.
I've read the book. It doesn't say that the Quakers were all Norsemen, it
says that the area of the strongest Quaker influence was in the Midlands
area that once was part of the Danelaw. Derby was a Viking fort. Bakewell,
not far away, was a fortified borough of the Middle Angles (c.950). The
same area had a considerable population of surviving Celts and was also
the area in which the Romans had a base.
So the people of the central midland, Derbyshire, etc., are mixed with
Celto-Romans, Angles (who intermarried with Celts), and Danes. I know
about this place because I have kinsmen from the area (Bakewell, Sheldon,
Ashford, Monyash.)
> > As someone with predominantly Quaker heritage, I can also tell you
> > that my Quaker relatives were "Scots Irish" folk who looked more like
> > the big hulking Danish Viking types than most of the people I see
> > dressed up for various Asatru gatherings.
The Scots-Irish came mainly from the Western Lowlands of Scotland and thus
came from the population of ancient Strathclyde. They were mostly of South
Pictish and British stock. Very little Viking there. Again, I have
ancestors who settled Antrim and Londonderry and they went to Ireland from
Lanark, Glascow, and Ayrshire.
> > : Cairns; and all his blond children.
> > I see, so you consider ancestry important for your family but not for the
> > rest of us.
Wrong! Pride of ancestry is a good thing. Racism isn't. I married a woman
from my own "tribe" in part because we both shared a cultural identity
(not just Anglo-Scottish, but Ozark and Appalachian.) But that doesn't
mean I hate or fear people from other races. I've met good folks (and
wankers) in all colors. Hating people because of their skin color is just
plain silly.
So if you want to marry other "Aryans" go ahead. No skin off my nose. But
you can't expect humanity in general to go along with your program for
racial purity.
> > You must get along with Jews famously, or should I say infamously?
What is it with you people and the Jews? I mean, do you really think all
the Jews in the world are out to get you or something? That they're all
"in on *it* together"? (Whatever *it* is!)
Next you'll start talking about that notorious forgery "The Protocols of
the Elders of Zion" and lose all credibility what-so-ever.
Cairns
Pope Ellegon
Jim Bowery <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote in article
> And I would assert you are the tyrant in this situation for it is you who
> would oppose the peaceful separation of peoples of different ideas into
> independent sovereignties.
So what about us who have the idea that everyone is human, and we can get
along anyway?
There's an old saying you might find interesting, Jimmler. "Why hate
someone for what group they're in when you can normally find so many good
reasons to people individually?"
Nexx
Osiris
> Organization: Netcom On-Line Services
> Distribution:
>
> loki (lo...@inlink.com) wrote:
> : Jim Bowery wrote:
>
> : > Yeah, me and guys like Thomas "the tree of liberty must be refreshed with
> : > the blood of patriots and tyrants every few generations" Jefferson.
>
> : Yeah, I think you're just the type of tyrant he was referring to.
>
> would oppose the peaceful separation of peoples of different ideas into
> independent sovereignties.
And you insist on inventing things no one has said. No one has said you
can't go off and live with "your own kind" in fact many of us would
prefer it. As far as sovereignties go, you have to take that up with
whatever nation you propose to steal the land from. It is your idiot
notion that everyone else should go along with your ideas that is
objected to. Go, do what you want. Just don't expect others to agree
with you or encourage you.
Osiris
> : this can be determined.
>
> And you'll notice I asked a question leaving it open for you to determine
> what you meant.
You asked an idiot question which didn't even come into play. Just admit
it, you tried a stupid ploy and it didn't work.
>
> : What I said was that your attempt to pull the
> : burning times into this was pathetic "let's try to yank at the heart
> : strings" nonsense. And gee, I thought that was pretty clear.
>
> You still haven't answered my question.
Only if you're an idiot.
>
> : > Free to choose, after being put through TV's Jewish/Italian propaganda
> : > machine along with academia's politically authorized curricula designed
> : > at places like the University of Chicago -- that "teacher of teachers".
>
> : Jewish/Italian propaganda? Man is your head screwed on too tight.
>
> And JudeoChristianity originated in Rome and the Levant because, oh,
> I don't know... those NAZIS did it, right? And we just won't talk
> about mafia origins of Hollywood because, well, that would violate
> J Edgar "call me Mary, Lansky does" Hoover's policy that made mentioning
> the "mafia" a firing offense during the very years that the
> Telecommunications Act of 1934 was in effect letting the New World
> Vatican recapture the "lost sheep" of the Protestant Reformation.
1) Judeochristianity didn't originate in Rome Einstein. 2)And no one
said we couldn't talk about anything. We were just having difficulty
talking through the laughing fir caused by your paranoid delusions.
Sorry Gestapo but neither the jews nor the catholics (and please make up
your mind just which ones you think are in charge over there since there
ARE two different groups) are CONTROLING things in Hollywood or anywhere
else in the media. Your kind has spouted this nonsense for years and
it's not more true now than it was when you started.
>
> : Well,
> : even if it were so, if you cannot continue to make up your own mind after
> : watching a television program (or gods forbid don't watch the damn
> : thing), that isn't my fault. I'm not the one with such a weak will.
> : What a bleak world you inhabit.
>
> We were discussing children.
No, we were discussing people. We were discussing people having sex and
making their own choice with a free will and self determination.
> Yeah, me and guys like Thomas "the tree of liberty must be refreshed with
> the blood of patriots and tyrants every few generations" Jefferson.
At least Jefferson was paranoid about the English, people he was at war
with. He had cause and it was in the name of FREEDOM, something you
wouldn't understand. What's your excuse. Life so boring you have to
invent enemies?
Osiris
> : In article <jaboweryE...@netcom.com>, jabo...@netcom.com says...
> : > Osirus wrote:
> : > : with the fantasy extremist nightmare pictures. Pure fantasy doesn't help
> : > : your cause any. I never said what you imply. I said let things follow
> : > : their course as they naturally will whether you like it or not.
> : >
> : > The only "pure fantasy" here is your belief that "things follow their
> : > course as naturally they will" when humans are inventing and deploying
> : > things like cargo ships and mass media.
> : >
> : > Such irresponsibility is, however, typical of the childlike Christian.
>
> In your refusal to accept responsibility for your status as an adult
> human being -- a being capable of creating and comprehending technology
> and many of its most important consequences.
>
> : Number two, the inventions of the human race ARE
> : part of the natural order. They, like ANY other natural factor simply
> : add to the flow.
>
> Yeah, the flow, man...
>
> Start rowing.
You know? When you start in with the rascist nonsense, you pretty well
start with the label of "moron" in my book. You now have the honor of
cementing yourself firmly in that position. You know nothing about me
and I've said nothing of my actions in any way in these posts but you
know I am irresponsible? That would be funny if it weren't for the fact
the you are foolish enough to believe it. Then you edit my posts so that
you can make childish comments completely ignoring what is actually said.
Finally, you show the typical approach of those who know they don't have
a leg to stand on: you choose to edit out and ignore anything you can't
answer as if doing so makes it less real. I stepped into this because
your simple-mindedness was amusing. Thank you. You have provided many
laughs. You have also proven my point on your inability to truly
complete thoughts unless they are based in hatred and fear.
Osiris
> keep that in mind) who serve the genetic self interest of that "race" at
> the expense of others -- albeit without conscious intent to do so. Many
> other such individuals arise in various groups throughout history. This
> does not make an entire people evil for allowing such indivduals to arise
> from their numbers. It does, however, require that those people respect
> the desire of the victims to distance themselves, WITH FULL SOVEREIGNTY,
> from their victimizers -- and this moral obligation exists REGARDLESS OF
> THE AGREEMENT OVER PERCEPTION/IDEOLOGY AS A RESPECT FOR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
Look again Einstein. You were asked a question which had NOTHING to do
with individuals. You answered that question. Your answer supported my
statement.
>
> You, by opposing the sovereign separation of people who you believe to
> have the wrong 'ideas' about 'genes' are violating their basic human
> rights. They are not violating yours by holding those beliefs or by
> existing in their own sovereignty and enjoying or suffering the
> consequences of those ideas.
When have I opposed a separation? By all means, go. Take as many of
your white sheeted brothers and sisters with you as you like. Where are
you going to get the land? Surely you aren't fool enough to think that
you deserve it. That you have a "right" to possess your own sovereign
nation and someone should just give it to you.
>
> You are a tyrant.
And you are a fool for insisting that others are doing things which they
are not and for refusing to read what is right in front of you.
Jim Bowery
Karen McFarlin (ka...@snowcrest.net) wrote:
: In article <MPG.f5b36ddf...@news.interconnect.net>,
: osi...@bcni.net (Osiris) wrote:
: > >
: > > "Albion's Seed" has a section on the Norse origin of Quakers, and the
: > > resemblance of their meeting halls to the great halls of the Vikings.
: I've read the book. It doesn't say that the Quakers were all Norsemen,
Norse Origins isn't the same as "Quakers were all Norsemen". Here's a
quote (actually of a quote from Barbour, "The Quakers in Puritan England"):
"... in the central region of the North, the Pennine moorland, where
Quakerism was strongest, the villages were mainly Norse in origin and
name, and Norse had been spoken there in the Middle Ages. From the
Norsemen came the custom of moots, orassemblies in the open at a
standing-stone or hilltop grave, which may have influenced Quakers' love
for such meeting places. The Norse custom was individual ownership of
houses and fields: the Norman system of feudal manors imposed in the
twelfth century was always resented."
: > > As someone with predominantly Quaker heritage, I can also tell you
: > > that my Quaker relatives were "Scots Irish" folk who looked more like
: > > the big hulking Danish Viking types than most of the people I see
: > > dressed up for various Asatru gatherings.
: The Scots-Irish came mainly from the Western Lowlands of Scotland and thus
: came from the population of ancient Strathclyde.
That's true of my father's side more than my mother's side. My mother's
side, however was almost entirely Quaker, not Presbyterian, and most
strongly self-identified as Scots-Irish.
Here's the source of confusion as far as I've been able to put it together:
The Strathclydes were very unhappy with the Crown at about the same time
as the Quakers, and for a couple of generations, they found themselves
retreating to the same areas, with some Quakers making their way via
Ulster to the new world. (Yes I am, myself, of "mixed" heritage, not to
mention the high probability that I have about 1/16 native Vinnland blood
from Cheroke/Osage due to the Appalachian settlement on my father's, but
of peoples who had been coevolving ever since the Aesir/Vanir truce,
with a Vinnlandic outcross -- all of whom the JudeoChristian mafias and
their puppets considered "mindless savages").
: They were mostly of South
: Pictish and British stock. Very little Viking there. Again, I have
: ancestors who settled Antrim and Londonderry and they went to Ireland from
: Lanark, Glascow, and Ayrshire.
Hael the Brythians O'Strathcutha!
: Wrong! Pride of ancestry is a good thing. Racism isn't. I married a woman
: from my own "tribe" in part because we both shared a cultural identity
: (not just Anglo-Scottish, but Ozark and Appalachian.) But that doesn't
: mean I hate or fear people from other races.
And I do? You should see the people I work with and ally with some
time. They know I am very concerned for the future generations of people
like ourselves, but they also know that I don't hate or fear them --
I merely don't think the cultural identity that you hold so dear
is sustainable when the moral territory of other, less tolerant and
broad-minded, people is winning the day in places like Washington DC,
Moscow and Peking -- although I'll admit, Moscow and Peking are getting
better while Washington DC is getting worse.
: I've met good folks (and
: wankers) in all colors. Hating people because of their skin color is just
: plain silly.
And refusing to read what other people repeatedly so you can again
spew prejudice at them while denouncing prejudice is just plain silly.
: So if you want to marry other "Aryans" go ahead. No skin off my nose. But
: you can't expect humanity in general to go along with your program for
: racial purity.
First, I don't identify "races" as being "pure" to begin with. I use
the word "deme". You, your wife and I are part of the Strathclyde deme.
I am at the boundary of that deme with the Danish deme. If there were
problems with Danish folk and our folk, I should be the first to seek
negotiated settlement, and failing that, the first to die defending folks
such as you and your wife. Likewise on the other side of that boundary.
That is the proper place of hybrid vigor in the cosmopolitain world of
cargo ships and mass media. But understand I am hardly much of a hybrid
compared to those first children of the early Vanir/Aesir marriages, not
only because the Strathclyde migrations north out of Africa were early,
as were those of the Danes, but because the amount of time that has
passed in isolated coevolution has been so great that the degree of
coadaptation creates less pathogenic potential.
A Vinnlandic example of something like this in the making on a very small
scale are the Melungeons -- a "tri-racial isolate" of black, cherokee and
Scots Irish just two counties over from my patrilineal stomping ground.
The Melungeons were on their way to becoming a new deme, having drawn
genes from a fairly small subpopulation of each of its originating demes,
and inbreeding long enough to dump some of the deliterious recessives
that normally stay hidden in more Africanized demes due to dominance.
Unfortunately, they didn't stay isolated long enough to really become a
people, and are now scattering abroad. This is even more tragic when you
consider the suffering a people must endure as they inbreed immediately
after hybridization with more dominant demes and the unleashing of hidden
genetic problems. Such investments are extraordinarily valuable to all
of humanity, for they are what create diversity. To throw them away at
the demands of moral systems such as those which identify separatism with
evil is the bane of our existence.
The closest thing to a "race" I identify with are peoples who migrated
north with the receeding of the last iceage -- and that includes a pretty
wide swath -- but I don't believe that "race" as it is thus defined, is
the proper way to establish national boundaries. Smaller groups, like
the Strathclydes, are the most proper boundaries of moral territory,
honor and sovereignty.
I'm sorry you don't see the dangers to the Strathclydes. I expect your
descendants will suffer immensely as a result. This isn't a matter of
hating or fearing other "races" or even other demes -- but of
understanding human limitations in the face of technological progress.
Hubris comes before a fall -- and our pagan ancestors, with their
unbridled hospitality and Christian tolerance (as opposed to
Christian hypocrisy for Christ taught tolerance and even love of
those who spitefully use us) exhibited the hubris that led to
our loss of identity and culture.
: What is it with you people and the Jews? I mean, do you really think all
: the Jews in the world are out to get you or something? That they're all
: "in on *it* together"? (Whatever *it* is!)
I've responded more than adequately to the Jewish question, but I will
say this, I don't consider the dynamics of JudeoChristianity to be a
conspiracy of men, but rather a program of genes.
: Next you'll start talking about that notorious forgery "The Protocols of
: the Elders of Zion" and lose all credibility what-so-ever.
You wish. Go do a dejanews search on jabo...@netcom.com and keyword
"Protocols".
Jim Bowery
Osiris (osi...@bcni.net) wrote:
: And you insist on inventing things no one has said. No one has said you
: prefer it.
Sorry, you can't get off the hook that easily when you are paying
taxes to a regime that has shown a pattern of favoritism toward
some demes while attacking others.
: As far as sovereignties go, you have to take that up with
: whatever nation you propose to steal the land from.
And who did *they* steal land from?
: It is your idiot
: notion that everyone else should go along with your ideas that is
: objected to.
Now who is hallucinating around here?
Jim Bowery
Laura Geyer (lge...@oeb.harvard.edu) wrote:
: > The fact of the matter is the royal houses of Europe had a serious
: > problem with hemophillia after AFTER they started accepting the genes of
: > Ashkenazi Jewish wealth -- the only other population that had a
: > significant incidence of hemophillia.
: I hate to jump into an argument in the middle, especially when I never
: actually saw the original post, but I can't pass this up. Unless you are
: talking about another incidence of Hemophilia, it has pretty much been
: shown conclusively that the problems with this disease which effected
: the Royal houses of Europe, including the Romanov's, though the last
: century, originated as a novel mutation in Queen Victoria.
I'll accept, with mild skepticism, a study that actually sequences the
gene and shows it to be a mutation independent of the Ashkenazi allel.
But with the history of court Jews in Europe, Cromwell, Disraeli and the
Rothschilds leading up to Queen Victoria, combined with the unique and
high incidence of hemophillia among Ashkenazi I see a reasonable case for
outcross aftermath. The continual mockery of Victoria's sexual ethic by
American Jews in Hollywood and the sexual liberationist subculture
(Hefner, Goldstein ent al) is also suggestive of a pervasive genetic
attitude toward European Royalty by court Jews.
Pope Ellegon
Osiris <osi...@bcni.net> wrote in article <
> > This event is proven to not have happened. If one is a historian
> > exposing the Holohoax for the fraud that it is in most countries
> > of Europe, it equals a healthy prison term.
>
> Proven? Whoa, did you actually say this? You just swallow that
> propaganda whole, don't you? Don't even chew. It must be ignorance
> because we wouldn't want to accuse you of being intentionally dishonest,
> would we?
Yes, it has been proven. Just like its been proven that cigarettes cause
absolutely no damage and are non-addictive. By the same people, too, I
believe <g>
Nexx
Pope Ellegon
Jim Bowery <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote in article
> : >Guess what we're doing to our pure colors these days?
> : Improving them. :-)
> Sort of like turning Jews into ashes improved them? :-)
Personally, I always thought turning racists into fertilizer improved them.
To paraphrase Mark Twain: If you could cross a racist with a piece of
shit, it would improve the racist but demean the shit.
Osiris
> taxes to a regime that has shown a pattern of favoritism toward
> some demes while attacking others.
I beg your pardon. I can get off ANY hook I am not a part of. What?
Now I'm supposed to withhold my taxes and suffer the consequences because
YOU feel oppressed. You go to jail; I'm not going for you.
>
> : As far as sovereignties go, you have to take that up with
> : whatever nation you propose to steal the land from.
>
> And who did *they* steal land from?
From the people before them as is well established and unargued. So are
you now saying you're going to take up arms and make war so you can have
your own little piece of land? How noble. *sv*
>
> : It is your idiot
> : notion that everyone else should go along with your ideas that is
> : objected to.
>
> Now who is hallucinating around here?
On what? And I notice you still choose to ignore things you cannot
easily answer.