European Parliament Supports 'Opt-In' for Commercial Email
Beebit
The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
mobile telephony in addition to email.
The 'opt-in' requirement for electronic mail will be in Article 13,
Paragraph 1 of the new Directive concerning the processing of personal
data and the protection of privacy in the electronic communications
sector which will enter into force following its publication in the
Official Journal. The Directive will guide the enactment of legislation
throughout the European Economic Area, which includes the 15 EU Member
States and European Free Trade Association members Norway, Iceland, and
Liechtenstein. EU Members Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece,
and Italy as well as EFTA member Norway had already implemented 'opt-in'
in their national legislation.
Further provisions in the same Article would allow companies to send
advertising via email for their own products or services of a similar
category to addresses which they had obtained in the course of a sale,
unless and until the customer has registered an objection. Customers
are to be given the opportunity to object "free of charge and in an easy
manner" both at the time the contact details are collected and with each
advertising message.
All in all, is an extremely welcome development, and should serve as an
example and inspiration for legislators in other territories. We are
absolutely delighted to see Parliament joining the Commission and the
Council in taking a stand to protect European consumers and network
users. It only remains to extend similar protection to corporate
citizens. This will probably have to be within the framework of other
legislation than that pertaining to the processing of "personal data".
~~~
The European Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email is an
all-volunteer, ad-hoc grouping of Internet users and professionals
dedicated to bringing about an end to an unethical practice by
technical and legislative means. http://www.euro.cauce.org/en/
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Dag Øien
Beebit <beebi...@euro.cauce.org> wrote:
> The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
> mobile telephony in addition to email.
Is this spam protection limited to consumers, or does it extend to
EU-EEA businesses as well?
Will there be any punishment or fines for spammers?
[)ag (/)ien
Christian Feldhaus
> Is this spam protection limited to consumers, or does it extend to
> EU-EEA businesses as well?
From what I have read about this, it primarily applies to "natural
persons". See Art. 13 (Unsolicited Communications) of the directive:
http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/01/st15/15396en1.pdf
> Will there be any punishment or fines for spammers?
Since this is an EU directive, not an EU regulation, it needs to put
into law by the member states. In Germany, for example, we currently do
not have any dedicated anti-spam laws ...
Christian
wbe
'til now. Was there anything that convinced the EP that could be used to
sway the U.S. government to favor opt-in?
-WBE
NoJags Neil
<wbe @ubeblock.psr.com.invalid (Winston Edmond)> wrote in message
news:ydsn49e...@UBEblock.psr.com...
Lobbying. I personally sent messages to all "my" MEPs (due to the stupid PR
system the UK uses to elect MEPs you don't have a single one). The trick
with lobbying is to do more of it than the businesses and corporations that
have an interest in keeping spamming.
Christian Feldhaus
> Is this spam protection limited to consumers, or does it extend to
> EU-EEA businesses as well?
From what I have read about this, it primarily applies to "natural
persons". See Art. 13 (Unsolicited Communications) of the directive:
http://register.consilium.eu.int/pdf/en/01/st15/15396en1.pdf
> Will there be any punishment or fines for spammers?
Since this is an EU directive, not an EU regulation, it needs to put
Peter Ibbotson
news:iqhbfukvfo1oti8ug...@4ax.com...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
> mobile telephony in addition to email.
Flying pig airways are pleased to annouce the depature of flight PIG001 from
Brussels
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Steve Linford
wbe @ubeblock.psr.com.invalid (Winston Edmond) wrote:
> Was there anything that convinced the EP that could be used to
> sway the U.S. government to favor opt-in?
Just a sec... {{{Hey Ian, you can switch off the spam-forwarding to
all those pro-spam Euro MPs, it worked!}}}... uhm, no, nothing I can
think off ;-)
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Steve Linford
The Spamhaus Project
http://www.spamhaus.org
Angel
>The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
>Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
>mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
>defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
>mobile telephony in addition to email.
<snip>
I heard this on the radio this afternoon. My collegues wondered what I was so
excited about. :-)
Angel
Till M Ruessmann
No wonder that Telco shares are falling and falling. Spam was the only
hope to use up this vast spare fibre capacity :-)
Rodrigo Calvo de No
"Beebit" <beebi...@euro.cauce.org> schreef in bericht
news:iqhbfukvfo1oti8ug...@4ax.com...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
> mobile telephony in addition to email.
Very nice. Now, somebody tells the Korean spammers who keep sending me up to
20 emails per day...
R.
Rob Mitchell
> The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
> mobile telephony in addition to email.
Hmmm, it is interesting that someone told me last night on the phone
essentially the opposite, that the EP had "legalized" spam & made it
"illegal" for any ISP to block another. I see now that that person was
probably wrong.
Rob
--
Spamhausen aren't "companies," they're dot-bombs.
(Inspired by Karen H.)
rob...@bonomi.invalid
Peter Ibbotson <spa...@ibbotson.co.uk> wrote:
>"Beebit" <beebi...@euro.cauce.org> wrote in message
>news:iqhbfukvfo1oti8ug...@4ax.com...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>> The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
>> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
>> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
>> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
>> mobile telephony in addition to email.
>
>
>Flying pig airways are pleased to annouce the depature of flight PIG001 from
>Brussels
>
"Dateline Brussels -- Porcine Aviation announces the establishment of direct
service between Warsaw and Bejing."
Not all pigs are flying, but a Poland-China is in the air.
<groan>
Mikelo Obliviemo
<rcalvoNO...@in-your-dreams.nl> skribis:
>> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
>> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
>> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
>> mobile telephony in addition to email.
>
>Very nice. Now, somebody tells the Korean spammers who keep sending me up to
>20 emails per day...
You never need to see those. For your .deliver file:
grep -Eiq 'charset="?(euc-kr|ks_c_5601-1987|ISO-2022-KR|big5)' \
$HEADER && \
echo "|/usr/local/libexec/nmh/lib/rcvstore +spam_auto" && \
exit
grep -Eiq '^<meta.*charset="?(euc-kr|ks_c_5601-1987|ISO-2022-KR|big5)' \
$BODY && \
echo "|/usr/local/libexec/nmh/lib/rcvstore +spam_auto" && \
exit
Of course there is no need to put it temporarily in a special folder
(here named spam_auto). Modify to suit.
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Beebit
> In article <iqhbfukvfo1oti8ug...@4ax.com>,
> Beebit <beebi...@euro.cauce.org> wrote:
>
> > The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
> > Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
> > mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
> > defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
> > mobile telephony in addition to email.
>
> Is this spam protection limited to consumers, or does it extend to
> EU-EEA businesses as well?
The Directive is based on the Data Protection Directive which protects only
natural persons. A work-around for corporate entities is to give only
'personal' email addresses rather than 'role' addresses. That way even if
Fred Bloggs happens to be the Sales Manager, if a spammer scraped
fbl...@example.com from the corporate website, that spammer could be done
for mishandling personal data without the data subject's knowledge or consent.
The same would not happen with in...@example.com.
> Will there be any punishment or fines for spammers?
This would depend on the national legislation. In Italy for example, someone
shopped a spammer to the 'Garante' (Data Protection Authority) who ordered the
spammer to pay the victim something on the order of EUR 500.
B.
John Asdf
news:ufcfiae...@corp.supernews.com
I did the same to all my conservative MEP's - didn't think I would get
much
of a response from Cashman's lot. The stupid muppet voted first against
then
for the proposal I asked him to support (as did many other MEPs) - which
then resulted in it being thrown out.
He mailed me, congratulating himself for having got the proposal (which
I wanted him to support) thrown out.
about his actions.
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Nils Zonneveld
Only 20? Lucky you!
Nils
Nils Zonneveld
If they are young blond, tall and cute, a spanking on their bare ass.
Unfortunately most spammers are old Korean farts and not worth a
spanking at all.
Nils
Angel
leading questions. See, cops are use to being cross examined
on the stand.
> Complainers love to call the police. Many of them wish
> deeply that there was some kind of viable net-police.
>
Remember, there is no law against any DOS attacks at all,
unless it is a government computer.
> Just in case we decide to move towards PGP, my public key
> is attached below.
>
> ... HipCrime
>
I guess we will all start encrypting certain messages, but
the question is which PGP? Are you using PGP 5.0 for Win95?
-JG
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NoJags Neil
civil)?
I predict that the Cabal would become more and more like the Kooks,
due to a facet of animalistic human nature that keeps dynamic
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It would be an interesting experiment.
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wbe
> > are already working.
> >
> > ... HipCrime
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: S.P. <s...@pgh.org>
> > > To: hipc...@pgh.org
> > > Cc: ISP_Ratings <bou...@earthlink.net>; Dr.G <d...@pgh.org>;
> > da...@jetcafe.org; cl...@pgh.org; 0...@pgh.org; 8...@pgh.org; a...@pgh.org;
> > bou...@pgh.org; da...@pgh.org; go...@pgh.org; r...@pgh.org;
scum...@pgh.org
> > > Subject: Compuserve hunts the Rogue Canceller. Latest post
> > > Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 8:30 AM
> > >
> > > Here is the latest post
Steve Linford
disagree. A fundamental tenet of spiritual belief is the
interconnectedness of life and the relevance of all paths to a truth. Free
speech and the ability to self-determine are essential to this process, and
we can tell from history that the effort we put into this evolution will be
appreciated by our grandchildren.
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Todd-Slayer of Spamdragons
>aside.
No can do.
>Even Dr. G talks about how he could care less about USENET.
>
>For now, I will assume for the sake of harmony that someone forged the
>post in question. But perhaps, by gentle persuasion, you can convince
>Dr. G to devote his valuable time and energy to bringing along HipCrime
>and the other hacks, for this time, there seems to be some real
>momentum.
Now you see there's an area that I've reservations about. I can
see it's utility and perhaps necessity but it does bother me a bit.
>Let's just put this issue aside from now. If it was not for the
>newsgroup, I could have cared less about it in the first place.
Well I care when someone does it to me. Hopefully it was
an isolated incident and we can nip it in the bud.
>BTW, I have never seen a time when you were so well read at nanau.
>You and Dave have done some damage to the cabal, and they know
>that lurkers and newbies are reading you. Lewis and Sam must have
>been working together, trying to bait you into losing your cool,
You're right about Sam--he followed up on me again last night
immediately. He's got some type of mechinism that alerts him
because he does it day and
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howdy,
>> And anything you do need to know I will tell you personally
>> on a telephone conversation, which is the MOST secure medium of all.
>
>Well, no. The -most- secure medium is the air gap between a mouth
>and ear in the himilayas. :)
In a society without trust, what is secure? How about we all meet for a
party in Austin, Tx?
>>> I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking
>>> which is still an attack).
>>> So you folks have fun. :)
>> What happened to your shades?
>
>I only use them when I drive.
Fuck, you have to in California. If the glare doesn't knock your eyes out
the flashing red and blue lights will.
take care,
SRP
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Dag Øien
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G <d...@pgh.org> writes:
> On Wed, 6 May 1998, Dave Hayes wrote:
>> Igor Chudov @ home <ich...@Algebra.Com> writes:
>> > Wrong, Kook is not a derogatory term but just a noun.
>> Eh? "Noun" is a superset of "derogatory term".
> "superset?" isn't that a programming term?
No
Beebit
> hour. This has been going on for months, and indicates that our
> opponents have some kind of organization to flame any Freedom Knight no
> matter what they post, in an effort to discourage follow-ups from
> newbies or lurkers.
>
> Tietjens can say whatever he wants--he is one of the biggest assholes
> on USENET. However, I am growing tired of seeing these cabal flame
> artists getting away with what they are doing. Therefore, lets not
> hesitate to flame Tietjens, Guy Polis and Sam whenever we see them
> flaming a Freedom Knight, and always stand up for each other no matter
> what, so that for every flame they make, we flame back--but in a
> scolding way, so that we stay above personal attacks.
>
> I send this post along to you all. There is no reason on earth for
> Tietjens outburst--he can say what he wants--but his bullshit will no
> longer go unanswered once I begin posting from Dejanews next week with
> the S.P.@pgh.org address.
>
> SP
>
KOOL! Just let us know when to start; I will not post anything
from any pgh.org address until then.
-JG
> -------------------------------
> >From - Tue May 05 19:53:42 1998
> Path:
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> From: u...@reply-to.header (Rich Tietjens, Secret Master of the Internet
> Cabal)
> Newsgroups:
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> Subject: Re: Do We Really Hate Each Other?
> Followup-
wbe
> run rampant and without harassment. This would also create a huge
> market for hipcrime's cancelbot. Anarchy will reign on USENET, and
> that's the best thing we can do for it.
>
> SP
>
> > Steve
>
Let's just get the fucking programs to work before we start
thinking what we can do with them.
So far, I have tested Stalingrad and NewsAgent and neither of
them worked. I have not tested Brest because I have no instruction
for loading or commands.
We have to stop putting the cart before the horse.
-JG
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howdy,
>> I do not want to know about any -attack-. I am a man of peace, as
>> some of you know.
>
>indeed Dave, you are our Titular head, and you must not know anything.
He's our Head Titularity.
>And anything you do need to know I will tell you personally
>on a telephone conversation, which is the MOST secure medium of all.
>
>> I'm not going to stop one either (that would be counter-attacking
>> which is still an attack).
>>
>> So you folks have fun. :)
>
>What happened to your shades?
Probably the lawyers confiscated them ;)-~
The only use for PGP is encrypting bong hits for transfer over the new
Internet superfreewaydingusbuttmunchcolonicsuperchute.
Attacks serve a strategic goal, rather than a tactical one; the only
tactical goal is to hold ground.
take care,
SRP
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If anybody wants to see Berolist,
Mike Salim has a copy here.
-JG
On Tue, 5 May 1998, Dr.G wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> (re: BeroList)
>
> > > I have never heard of that, but any listserver will do.
> > > Do you have that in stock?
> >
> > I have placed a copy in /tmp/BeroList-2.3.5.tar.gz
> >
> > regards
> > Mike
> >
>
> 10-4. I will have some of my hacks check it out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -John
>
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Subject: Re: Dave?/Re: BeroList
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From: Dave Hayes <da...@jetcafe.org>
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G <d...@pgh.org> writes:
>> Never heard of beroList, but majordomo can be made reasonably secure.
>> Dave?
I've never heard of berolist either.
NoJags Neil
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Subject: Re: Chain of Command
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:04:59 +0530
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Hi Hacks ...
Tend to agree with the idea that the list should be PGP'd.
Once we start any kind of "attacks", the law enforcement
people will start trying to locate us. It has happened to
me before, and we fully expect it to happen again.
Complainers love to call the police. Many of them wish
deeply that there was some kind of viable net-police.
Just in case we decide to move towards PGP, my public key
is attached below.
... HipCrime
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> From: S.P. <s...@pgh.org>
> To: Spinoza Ray Prozak <pro...@anus.com>
> Cc: Igor Chudov <ich...@Algebra.Com>; Dr.G <d...@pgh.org>; 0...@pgh.org;
8...@pgh.org; a...@pgh.org; bou...@pgh.org; da...@pgh.org; hipc...@pgh.org;
r...@pgh.org; scum...@pgh.org; cl...@pgh.org
> Subject: Chain of Command
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 12:21 AM
>
> Spinoza Ray Prozak wrote:
> >
> > howdy,
> >
> > >If no one else
wbe
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"S.P." <s...@pgh.org>
Subject: Re: NewsAgent v0.03
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remember to CUT all non-pgh.org
addresses in all replies.
On Sat, 9 May 1998, HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote:
> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:49:31 +0530
> From: "HipCrime International, unLtd." <hipc...@mobsters.com>
> To: "Dr.G" <d...@pgh.org>
> Cc: ISP_Ratings <bou...@earthlink.net>, da...@jetcafe.org, cl...@pgh.org,
> go...@pgh.org, r...@pgh.org, scum...@pgh.org, "S.P." <s...@pgh.org>,
> Spinoza Ray Prozak <pro...@anus.com>
> Subject: NewsAgent v0.03
>
> Hi Hacks ...
>
> There's NewsAgent (v0.03) now at the usual location.
>
I hope this works. The old one did not work.
Will this one overwrite the old files when it installs?
> It's got some more little bug fixes, and a password
> and registration screen. It's in time-limited demo
> mode, and'll work for 5 executions before requiring
> a password.
>
> The registration screen displays your unique five digit
> "system ID", so if you download it and want a password,
> just Email that number to me. There's no charge (yet),
> but let's continue the discussion of making this int
Dag Øien
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To: "S.P." <s...@pgh.org>
From: ISP_Ratings <bou...@earthlink.net>
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S.P. wrote:
>
>Steve,
>
> I see you are kicking some ass here in Austin over Texas.net. It is a
>pleasure to discover what I always thought--that you would find a great
>deal of support outside of the cabal strongholds. We love you down here
>in Texas, and I'm looking forward to helping everyone get netabuse.org
>up.
Well Texas has some very nice people--good recruiting ground by
the way--several of the posters would do nicely in the news.admin.*
arena.
> However, this Sam bastard is starting to agravate me. I don't know,
>Steve. I want to flame the bastard--but that will only make the
>situation worse. He is stalking everyone of your posts--trying to get
>people to not read you. It isn't working.
I never read him--but I note two things about him. Like you pointed
out before he must have some type of alarm set up because he follows
up on my posts obsessively usually within less than an hour after
I send them off--day and night. That's an extreme obsession or someone
being paid. The other thing is that he doesn't crosspost in general
to the relevant groups--for example he'll take out the texas groups on
the thread in Texas to stay on secure turf meaning he's very insecure
and quite afraid of being flamed. So flame away--just crosspost the
shit out of him.
He's worth his weight in gold--seriously--I almost feel like I should
be paying him.
I'm way behind in email and life in general so excuse time lags.
Didn't want to let the Austin thing slip.
Steve
>
> SP
>
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From - Tue May 05 20:07:01 1998
Beebit
> da...@jetcafe.org, cl...@pgh.org, 0...@pgh.org, 8...@pgh.org, a...@pgh.org,
> bou...@pgh.org, da...@pgh.org, go...@pgh.org, r...@pgh.org,
> scum...@pgh.org
>
> HipCrime International, unLtd. wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dr. G...
> >
> > This means my work-dialup might get canned.
>
> If someone could get hold of IRS Agent, then you could find all the best
> resources to proxy and post through, and to spoof.
IRSagent is Animal Protection League.
You can also try
> opening a 30 day throw-away account with your telephone company, as they
> are a telco, and cannot communicate with cabal members like Compuserve
> did. Also, if you are going to beta-test NewsAgent, test it on a test
> group--that way, no one will complain to your ISP, and the cabal will
> not even know you are at work for some time. Don't beta test on
> news.admin groups or the ones you chose, if you wish to keep a low
> profile.
>
> Also, make sure that Compuserve doesn't disclose your account info to
> the cabal, as they will hunt you wherever you go on the net. Call
> Compuserve and demand that they keep your info private, tell them, as
> you have been threatened recently, and will hold them responsilbe if
> info is released. Or, jus
wbe
'til now. Was there anything that convinced the EP that could be used to
sway the U.S. government to favor opt-in?
-WBE
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Dag Øien
> The European Parliament has decided to accept the Council's Common
> Position which would require senders of advertisements by "electronic
> mail" to have the recipient's prior consent. "Electronic mail" is
> defined broadly enough so as to include text messaging systems based on
> mobile telephony in addition to email.
Is this spam protection limited to consumers, or does it extend to
EU-EEA businesses as well?
Will there be any punishment or fines for spammers?
[)ag (/)ien
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NoJags Neil
<wbe @ubeblock.psr.com.invalid (Winston Edmond)> wrote in message
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> 'til now. Was there anything that convinced the EP that could be used to
> sway the U.S. government to favor opt-in?
> -WBE
Lobbying. I personally sent messages to all "my" MEPs (due to the stupid PR
system the UK uses to elect MEPs you don't have a single one). The trick
with lobbying is to do more of it than the businesses and corporations that
have an interest in keeping spamming.
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rosignol
Nils Zonneveld <ni...@nzonneveld.demon.nl> wrote:
Filter by character set. I have my email software toss anything with
'euc-kr' in the headers into the trash. Haven't seen any Korean spam
since I did it.
--
al Qaeda delenda est
Dag Øien
rosignol <rosi...@nwlink.com> wrote:
> Filter by character set. I have my email software toss anything with
> 'euc-kr' in the headers into the trash. Haven't seen any Korean spam
> since I did it.
It's a bit more difficult to filter out spam from your countrymen,
rosignol.
I really look forward to the day the US takes proper legislative action
against their spammers.
90+ % spam in my mailbox is way too much. Most of it is american, hardly
anything is european.
[)ag (/)ien
The CO
"Dag Řien" <fre...@oien.net> wrote in message
news:fredag-AF4F79.23290404062002@localhost...
Yeah. I've had exactly 11 Oz relevant spams in 2 years, including the T3 -
Direct dimwits that are setting
new standards for spammer stupidity by sueing someone for complaining about
them.
I get nothing from Taiwan anymore, we now filter that in toto. I can't
filter Korea entirely for 'political' reasons here.
The rest are either from the US or trying to flog something in the US (like
most of the korean crap).
Geoff in Oz
rosignol
Dag Øien <fre...@oien.net> wrote:
> In article <rosignol-79D50A...@corp-radius.supernews.com>,
> rosignol <rosi...@nwlink.com> wrote:
>
> > Filter by character set. I have my email software toss anything with
> > 'euc-kr' in the headers into the trash. Haven't seen any Korean spam
> > since I did it.
>
> It's a bit more difficult to filter out spam from your countrymen,
> rosignol.
I manage.
> I really look forward to the day the US takes proper legislative action
> against their spammers.
Already have, in wa.us. Trying to obscure the originating address of a
commercial email is an offense here, punishable by a fine of ~$100 or so
per message.
> 90+ % spam in my mailbox is way too much. Most of it is american, hardly
> anything is european.
Trade you my co.uk/.fr/.fx/.nl/.es/.be spam for your .com/.net spam.
Nils Zonneveld
"Dag Řien" wrote:
>
> In article <rosignol-79D50A...@corp-radius.supernews.com>,
> rosignol <rosi...@nwlink.com> wrote:
>
> > Filter by character set. I have my email software toss anything with
> > 'euc-kr' in the headers into the trash. Haven't seen any Korean spam
> > since I did it.
>
> It's a bit more difficult to filter out spam from your countrymen,
> rosignol.
>
> I really look forward to the day the US takes proper legislative action
> against their spammers.
>
Mmmz, I still have to see things happen. I think it's going to be very
difficult to regulate and catch spammers.
> 90+ % spam in my mailbox is way too much. Most of it is american, hardly
> anything is european.
>
I would say my spam consists out of:
50% USA
40% Korea
10% Rest
Nils
Nils Zonneveld
rosignol wrote:
> Trade you my co.uk/.fr/.fx/.nl/.es/.be spam for your .com/.net spam.
>
Maybe that would be appriopriate. Look at this for instance.
From: "Denice Blaker" <rootosr...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Your PRESIDENT needs you NOW!
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:19:16 -1700
What interest should I have in spam like "Your PRESIDENT needs you
NOW!", while I don't have any president? Our silly spammer could have
known that since he's mailing to a .nl domain, people over here don't
have a bloody president.
Directed spamming? Maybe we could sell our services to spammers :-)
Nils
Gordon
> Our silly spammer could have
> known that since he's mailing to a .nl domain, people over here don't
> have a bloody president.
>
Want ours?
Bill
You do realize that leaves Dick Cheney as president?
Bill
Patricia A. Shaffer
I have just this single e-mail address, posted unmunged for ~7 years
Of the 726 spams, addressed to me, caught in Postini filters for March,
by language breakdown:
63% China/Korea
0.04% French, German, Spanish, Italian
36.96% English
Monthly summary for 2002 of the Total spams (filtered out or delivered):
January 379 12.23/day average
Ferbuary 236 8.43/day average
March 369 11.90/day average
April 504 16.80/day average
May 757 24.40/day average
As of June 4th (yesterday), total spams for month was 107, which is a
26.75/day average ...
If it weren't for the POSTINI filters, I'd have been buried by spam last
month. While filtering may be equivalent to JHDing, I do LART what gets
through the filters.
--
Patricia
ra...@swva.net ra...@pandora.orbl.org
Proud Citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia
"Anti-spammers are the immune system of the Internet." CDR M. Dobson
"The issue is consent, not content." Crosscut
Help Outlaw spam! <http://www.cauce.org>
peter
rosignol <rosi...@nwlink.com> stated: -
does anyone know how to configure Demon Turnpike to kill Korean spam as
I too have around 20 a day
thanks in advance
please e-mail me off list if it is too much bandwidth -
Peter
--
peter
Morely Dotes - I am not SPEWS
<Set mode="Dangerfield">
Take my President - please!
</mode>
--
Want SPEWS-filtered and SBL-filtered email?
http://www.spamblocked.com/index.html
Fight spam! Help Joey McNichol!
http://t3-v-mcnicol.ilaw.com.au/
Paulo Alexandre Rocha
> Trade you my co.uk/.fr/.fx/.nl/.es/.be spam for your .com/.net spam.
What's .fx?
Apart from that, I'll trade mine gladly.
And I support hard measures against spammers, like exile in the Aleutian
islands, with no access to outside communication, except messages in
bottles (OK, some beaches in the Pacific might get spammed, but I guess
it's worth the price). If the Alaskans object (I would), we can always
try one of those Russian islands in the Arctic, which, beside desolate,
are also radioactive.
--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
Bill
morelydot...@spamblocked.com says...
> In article <3CFDCE66...@ids.net>, Gordon <fla...@ids.net> wrote:
> >
> >Nils Zonneveld wrote:
> >
> >> Our silly spammer could have
> >> known that since he's mailing to a .nl domain, people over here don't
> >> have a bloody president.
> >
> >Want ours?
>
> <Set mode="Dangerfield">
> Take my President - please!
> </mode>
>
>
Substitute Henny Youngman for Dangerfield.
Bill
rosignol
<3c02a1da04a42d9585f...@mygate.mailgate.org>,
"Paulo Alexandre Rocha" <ska...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "rosignol" <rosi...@nwlink.com> wrote
>
> > Trade you my co.uk/.fr/.fx/.nl/.es/.be spam for your .com/.net spam.
>
> What's .fx?
Overseas French possessions.
> Apart from that, I'll trade mine gladly.
> And I support hard measures against spammers, like exile in the Aleutian
> islands,
Too comfy. Not enough polar bears.
> with no access to outside communication, except messages in
> bottles (OK, some beaches in the Pacific might get spammed, but I guess
> it's worth the price). If the Alaskans object (I would), we can always
> try one of those Russian islands in the Arctic, which, beside desolate,
> are also radioactive.
Now you're talking....
Till M Ruessmann
"rosignol" <rosi...@nwlink.com> wrote in message
news:rosignol-D73984...@corp-radius.supernews.com...
What is worse than spamming? Talking about it.
What is worse than talking about spamming? talking about talking about
spamming. Ad inf.
Morely Dotes - I am not SPEWS
Must I? Can't they take him, too?
Bill
> In article <MPG.176800252...@news.oco.net>, Bill <spam...@tinlc.lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> >
> >In article <fnqL8.116441$ux5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>,
> >morelydot...@spamblocked.com says...
> >> In article <3CFDCE66...@ids.net>, Gordon <fla...@ids.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Nils Zonneveld wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Our silly spammer could have
> >> >> known that since he's mailing to a .nl domain, people over here don't
> >> >> have a bloody president.
> >> >
> >> >Want ours?
> >>
> >> <Set mode="Dangerfield">
> >> Take my President - please!
> >> </mode>
> >
> >Substitute Henny Youngman for Dangerfield.
>
> Must I? Can't they take him, too?
>
>
>
I think they did already.
Bill
Nicholas Whyte
> In article <ydsn49e...@UBEblock.psr.com>,
> wbe @ubeblock.psr.com.invalid (Winston Edmond) wrote:
>
> > Was there anything that convinced the EP that could be used to
> > sway the U.S. government to favor opt-in?
>
> all those pro-spam Euro MPs, it worked!}}}... uhm, no, nothing I can
> think off ;-)
Actually if you look at the text of the debate from last week (on the
European Parliament site, check plenary session from 29 May) it's
quite clear that the spam-forwarding to pro-spam Euro-MPs did not work
at all. The same ones who spoke against "opt-in" last time around
spoke on the same lines this time; Cashman particularly bitterly:
"Mr President, I want to deal with two issues; one is data retention
and the other is opt-in, opt-out. First of all, opt-in, opt-out. I
have to say, it is absolutely appalling, in any arena of politics, to
set expectations which cannot be met. The whole idea of opt-in has
been put forward as the solution to end spam. Let me put this on the
record. The Commission's proposals on opt-in will not stop one iota of
spam whatsoever. Spammers do not abide by laws or regulations. They
operate offshore and if we want to drive SME's, the so-called engine
of the new economy, out of the EU, then this is the way to do it."
So in fact, forwarding spam to Cashman and his ally Cappato achieved
nothing except a waste of bandwidth. However thanks to our lobbying of
MEPs whose minds were not so firmly made up, with the help also of
pressure from the governments of the EU member states, enough of those
who had previously gone with the flow changed their minds.
Nicholas