Lucas, Forgeries or not forgeries?
Peter Mackay
soli...@bigpond.com says...
> I don't normally read ozdebate but have been looking in and following
> since the cross posting in this little Peter Lucas melodrama.
>
> This has become a farce. For the past week or two, various rather
> unpleasant posts have been made, apparently from Peter Lucas, but
> while he seems quite content to lay claim to some of them, he denies
> making others. All of the posts, both those he denies and those he
> admits to, are of an equally obnoxious and crude quality.
>
> Now, up until the early hours of yesterday, the posts that he
> complains about, but of which he has yet to give a full listing, have
> always been from different sessions but all seeming to originate from
> gil.com.au. I am fully aware that they may have originated anywhere,
> but the headers all have different IP addresses, the ones Lucas admits
> to, having one set of addresses and the ones that he claims are
> forgeries having another. If he was doing it himself, he would have
> logged off and back on again in order to accomplish this.
>
> This morning, Lucas has denied several of the posts made early
> yesterday morning and responded to several others although, all the
> later posts, both those he admits, and those he denies, were made in
> the one session, both timewise and from the same dial-up IP address.
> Lucas made several posts, which he claims responsibility for, firstly
> from one dial-up host and then a few minutes later from another, both
> gil.com.au. In the second session, he claims that only some of the
> posts were his, the rest forgeries.
>
> How could a forger, in the early hours of the morning, given the
> normal time lag between posting and appearing on a news group, manage
> to read Lucas' initial posts, obtain the IP address and then forge
> posts with that same IP address that, even allowing for the posting
> time lag, appeared within minutes of the posts that Lucas claims were
> his own? Is this a forger with super powers? A psychic forger perhaps?
>
> To further thicken the plot, one of the supposed forged posts made
> reference to a binary file that Lucas had posted only a few minutes
> before, and since that particular binary file has personal details
> regarding Lucas and previous posts, it must have originated with
> Lucas, it couldn't have come from a supposed forger.
>
> I am not an expert in forgery tracking, I will leave that to people
> like Andre who obviously have expertise in those areas, but I have
> been around news groups for many years, and I cannot see how
> yesterday's posts could possibly be forgeries. I know that nothing is
> impossible but to do something like this would appear to take an
> enormously co-ordinated effort, both in time and technology. Would
> anyone capable of succeeding in such an endeavour consider Lucas to be
> worth an investment of that nature?
>
> I have been undecided up until now, but it appears to me that Lucas,
> for whatever strange reasons, is faking a supposed vendetta by a
> forger. Perhaps he is being sued for libel, his manner of posting
> makes that a serious possibility, and is creating a legal alibi, a
> forger to take the blame. Nothing else makes sense. This last offer of
> a cash reward seems to add flavour to an " I did everything possible
> to stop the man" type legal response to a lawsuit. Perhaps he was
> tired and forgot to log off and on again before sending yesterday's
> supposed forgeries.
>
> What do others think?
I think you are spot on. Cousin Peter is having difficulty in keeping
his lies straight. Me, I discovered it was a lot easier to tell the
truth ever since Mum locked me and my brother in different rooms and
questioned us over some atrocity until we were both telling the same
story.
Cousin Peter could always explain what the hell's going on, but don't
hold your breath.
peter terry
or else.
There are privacy laws.
<soli...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Alistaire
Nicholas Wright
peter terry wrote:
> Take your complaints straight to the police and insist that they investigate
> or else.
>
> There are privacy laws.
>
Unfortunately using the same name and/or email address as another person isn't
an invasion of privacy, the Police will not react to it unless some other law
has been broken, i.e., threats or deception for financial gain.
I have been involved in tracking people several times and the Police, although
sympathetic, aren't able to help when no crime has been committed. It would be
great if they could, but as they pointed out, they would spend all of their
times tracking internet mischief makers instead of catching criminals. They
informed a client that I had last year that they don't regard squabble between
usenet posters as crimes. Even if there were grounds for a defamation action,
that would be a civil matter with responsibility resting with the person
initiating the action. Peter, unfortunately, is not likely to garner assistance
from that source.
The unfortunate reality is that even if caught, the offender is not liable to
have anything more happen than the loss of an internet account. Peter could
bring a civil action against him/her but it is highly likely that he would get
little satisfaction, other than obtain a restraining order, and possibly be
liable for costs for both parties.
He has been annoyed, extremely so, but no crime has been committed against him.
This may change in the future, when harassment laws are modified to include
stress inducing behaviour and not simply threatening behaviour.
David
John Mares
"peter terry" <namb...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Take your complaints straight to the police and insist that they
investigate
> or else.
>
> There are privacy laws.
Pray tell me Peter Terry, which privacy laws are being broken in any of
this. Peter insisting that the Police do *anything* is way outside the
realms of being wise.
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Nicholas Wright
peter terry wrote:
> Take your complaints straight to the police and insist that they investigate
> or else.
>
> There are privacy laws.
repost:
My last post got zapped by my (business) partner because I was mucking about. He
takes life very seriously.
Nick (and although I don't like Lucas, and would prefer that David didn't help
him, I do know what I am talking about.)
Peter Mackay
Yeah, this gels with my experience, and those of others, no doubt.
Without a very specific and very explicit threat, or some other obvious
wrong-doing like using a pinched credit card for serious spending, the
police are reluctant to touch such a case, despite what the legislation
might say. They don't have the skilled manpower, they know that
gathering evidence will be difficult and expensive, and they know that
the likely penalty will be minimal. It's like having your mailbox stolen
- the cops have better things to do, and I can't say as I blame them. I
wish that our society were of such a nature that trivial crimes were the
worst we had.
Civil matters are a different thing, and it's on the balance of
probabilities, but against that you have the effort of gathering
evidence and the need to spend money to bring the case to a hearing.
Cousin Peter talks of $3 000, but that would be spent very quickly with
any serious lawyer, especially one specialising in computers who knows
what they are talking about.
If his posts are being forged, and this can be a very frustrating and
stressful experience, then he's really got Buckley's of finding out who.
Is it worth $3 000 to stop a bit of stress on UseNet? Probably not -
take a headache tablet, point out the forgeries as they occur and gather
evidence for a complaint to the ISP.
As others have pointed out, the chance of detection and conviction is
very low, if indeed any laws have been broken.
And, as others have suggested, it could be Cousin Peter playing a game,
claiming that others are forging his posts, so as to be able to deny
making any specific post.
Whatever, it's grand entertainment.
The Great Shark Hunt
Peter Mackay wrote in message ...
<snipped>
>
>Whatever, it's grand entertainment.
Indeed - of the Laurel & Hardy kind.
Peter Mackay
gift...@zahn.net says...
> And please,let us not forget that this is only Usenet. A person is
> damaged only to the degree that he wishes to participate. "There are no
> victims, only volunteers."
Two factors against defamation: The first is that the person purportedly
being defamed has exactly the same ability to respond to the same
audience. It's not like complaining to your friends that the Sydney
Morning Herald has besmirched your name and knowing that there are tens
of thousands of people who only get one side of the story. Nope, you can
set the record straight quick as winking.
Second is that if you enter a forum where you are likely to be abused,
then you bear some of the responsibility. It's like starting a political
argument in a pub - you're likely to be defamed. And your parents.
Peter Mackay
non...@btinternet.co.uk says...
Yeah, but what else do we get here? Shining wits tend to steer clear.
Instead we get the other sort.
Cruiser
soli...@bigpond.com was heard to utter these now infamous words in
alt.ozdebate......
<SNIP>
> What do others think?
>
I think the best thing for Mr Lucas to do is to leave Usenet completely
for a couple of months, then return using a different pen name. Perhaps
his time away could be filled with lessons in good manners & respecting
others.
Hey it's better than what others have come up with :-)
--
'Cruiser 2002
I'm a firm believer of the principle "if you don't like it, fuck off".
Typhoid, alt.ozdebate, 14/01/02
Thurston Phoremost
Bzzt, sorry.
If the forger and Lucas are posting to the same news server, it is
quite possible for Lucas to recieve, and respond a few minutes later
to, the forger's post.
<snip>
> > What do others think?
Mackay says :-
> I think you are spot on.
Thurston says :-
Maybe not.
Thurston.
Barbara
"Cruiser" <cru...@auscruiser.homeip.net> wrote in message
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>
> I think the best thing for Mr Lucas to do is to leave Usenet completely
> for a couple of months, then return using a different pen name. Perhaps
> his time away could be filled with lessons in good manners & respecting
> others.
>
> Hey it's better than what others have come up with :-)
Leopard-spots
an impossability
Personally I think his ego has just grown so big, it has split into 2
personalities.
Greg
soli...@bigpond.com wrote:
> To further thicken the plot, one of the supposed forged posts made
> reference to a binary file that Lucas had posted only a few minutes
> before, and since that particular binary file has personal details
> regarding Lucas and previous posts, it must have originated with
> Lucas, it couldn't have come from a supposed forger.
>
> I am not an expert in forgery tracking, I will leave that to people
> like Andre who obviously have expertise in those areas, but I have
> been around news groups for many years, and I cannot see how
> yesterday's posts could possibly be forgeries. I know that nothing is
> impossible but to do something like this would appear to take an
> enormously co-ordinated effort, both in time and technology. Would
> anyone capable of succeeding in such an endeavour consider Lucas to be
> worth an investment of that nature?
>
> I have been undecided up until now, but it appears to me that Lucas,
> for whatever strange reasons, is faking a supposed vendetta by a
> forger. Perhaps he is being sued for libel, his manner of posting
> makes that a serious possibility, and is creating a legal alibi, a
> forger to take the blame. Nothing else makes sense. This last offer of
> a cash reward seems to add flavour to an " I did everything possible
> to stop the man" type legal response to a lawsuit. Perhaps he was
> tired and forgot to log off and on again before sending yesterday's
> supposed forgeries.
>
> What do others think?
>
> Alistaire
Peter Lucas doesn't have a mortgage on this kind of stuff. Couple of
typical examples in one post from one of our resident righties:-
"Pacific Solution is not working the lefties bark, here you go shitheads"
"LEFTIE FUCKHEADS"
"Now admit you are dumb shitheads"
Mild by his normal standards too.
Cruiser
alt.ozdebate......
>
LOL.... Let's hope it stops now, otherwise we'll have yet *another*
Peter Lucas saying that these two are both forgers, and that he's the
real Peter Lucas....
3rd Party
106149.news.dfncis.de:
You need a reason for your ego to grow. H edoesn't have one.
Barbara
> Some time ago, upon some distant planet in a yet uncharted galaxy,
>
> Peter Lucas saying that these two are both forgers, and that he's the
> real Peter Lucas....
He could also dob himself in to himself & claim his own $3,000
Cruiser
alt.ozdebate......
>
Cruiser
Mi Welch was heard to utter these now infamous words in
alt.ozdebate......
>
> >Peter Lucas saying that these two are both forgers, and that he's the
> >real Peter Lucas....
>
> you not respond to my emails?
>
Ummm, I think it's me......
What emails? I remember one before Chrissy, but I replied to that...
were there more??
<checks server - nope>
<checks laptop - nope>
<checks desktop - nope>
<checks other desktop - nope>
I'll check the work server & desktop tomorrow...... Which email address
did you send to??
Barbara
"Craig Mi Welch" <craigr...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:04:11 +1000, "Barbara"
> <bobbar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >He could also dob himself in to himself & claim his own $3,000
>
> himself by himself.
Then of course he could buy another awesome jumpsuit & do a tandem jump with
himself.
Cruiser
Mi Welch was heard to utter these now infamous words in
alt.ozdebate......
>
> himself by himself.
>
Perhaps he'd get a JP to do that :-)
Cruiser
alt.ozdebate......
>
> >> you not respond to my emails?
>
> >Ummm, I think it's me......
>
>
Ummm..... <leaves room, comes back with JP>
<JP> Yup, it's him
<JP leaves>
>
> As in your posts ... but here's the email (subject: IFF)
>
> Cruiser wrote:
>
> > > >IFF is used in all aircraft, whether military, commercial or civilian
> > >
> > > I've twice said in the newsgroup that this is not so. You've not
> > > replied. Do you now agree with me?
> > >
> >
> > No.
>
> On what do you base your assertion?
>
> Shall I give you an example of a commercially registered aircraft
> that does not have IFF?
>
Never got that one.... I think
<JP Nope, never seen that one>
Shaddap.
OK, I'll bite......
(I suppose it's an UltraLight, right?)
Lea B
"Barbara" <> wrote ...
> "Craig Mi Welch" <> wrote ...
> > "Barbara" wrote:
> >
> > >He could also dob himself in to himself & claim his own $3,000
> >
> > Then he might sue himself for the money. And for defamation of
> > himself by himself.
>
> Then of course he could buy another awesome jumpsuit
< snip >
ROFL !
We never did get the pic in binaries .....
oh, too funny <wipes tear>
Lea B
"Craig Welch" <> wrote ...
> "Lea B" <> wrote:
>
> >> > >He could also dob himself in to himself & claim his own $3,000
> >> >
> >> > Then he might sue himself for the money. And for defamation of
> >> > himself by himself.
> >>
> >> Then of course he could buy another awesome jumpsuit
> >
> >< snip >
> >
> >ROFL !
> >We never did get the pic in binaries .....
> >
> >oh, too funny <wipes tear>
>
oh yes - now I remember: pink & yellow, right ?
Horry admired the 'codpiece' IIRC.
My stomach flips.
Cruiser
>
> >OK, I'll bite......
>
> >(I suppose it's an UltraLight, right?)
>
> VH-JAV (I own the latter).
>
And they would be......?? (Helicopters, 2 seaters, 6 seaters, turboprop,
jet, single engine, multi engine, seaplane......)
Where are they kept? (I'm assuming Caboolture, or perhaps Archerfield)
When are you gonna take us for a flight in one??
:-)
replies via email I think.
Phoenix
>
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:07:27 +1100, "Lea B" <l...@ijustdontcare.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> > >He could also dob himself in to himself & claim his own $3,000
> >> >
> >> > Then he might sue himself for the money. And for defamation of
> >> > himself by himself.
> >>
> >> Then of course he could buy another awesome jumpsuit
> >
> >< snip >
> >
> >ROFL !
> >We never did get the pic in binaries .....
> >
> >oh, too funny <wipes tear>
>
>
> Craig
me too I missed it
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personality? what personality!
Peter Lucas
> since the cross posting in this little Peter Lucas melodrama.
>
> This has become a farce. For the past week or two, various rather
> unpleasant posts have been made, apparently from Peter Lucas, but
> while he seems quite content to lay claim to some of them, he denies
> making others. All of the posts, both those he denies and those he
> admits to, are of an equally obnoxious and crude quality.
"equally obnoxious and crude quality"??
So you're just another alter-ego of the forger, I see.
Otherwise, why would *anyone* go to as much trouble as you seem to have,
researching *all* the posts/headers etc, to then make your rather lengthy
summation on the 'facts'?
The *facts* are:
1) Someone is fraudulently using my name and email address
2) I have offered $3,000 to anyone who can give information leading to the
arrest and conviction of the forger.
If you have the ability to track the forger, do so. If not, your inane
speculation is nothing but a waste of bandwidth.
AN;Droing Yenous china bare VH-AST
"Peter Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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| .
| <soli...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
| news:gefq8ukoq938rku3r...@4ax.com...
| > I don't normally read ozdebate but have been looking in and following
| > since the cross posting in this little Peter Lucas melodrama.
| >
| > This has become a farce. For the past week or two, various rather
| > unpleasant posts have been made, apparently from Peter Lucas, but
| > while he seems quite content to lay claim to some of them, he denies
| > making others. All of the posts, both those he denies and those he
| > admits to, are of an equally obnoxious and crude quality.
|
| "equally obnoxious and crude quality"??
|
| So you're just another alter-ego of the forger, I see.
| Otherwise, why would *anyone* go to as much trouble as you seem to have,
| researching *all* the posts/headers etc, to then make your rather lengthy
| summation on the 'facts'?
|
| The *facts* are:
| 1) Someone is fraudulently using my name and email address
| 2) I have offered $3,000 to anyone who can give information leading to the
| arrest and conviction of the forger.
|
Yes I know who it is. Just post your address and I will deliver the
evidence, personally, but may bring along a few friends. Just listen for
the motorbikes as we drive by.
Peter Lucas
> Craig Welch wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:07:27 +1100, "Lea B" <l...@ijustdontcare.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> > >He could also dob himself in to himself & claim his own $3,000
> > >> >
> > >> > Then he might sue himself for the money. And for defamation of
> > >> > himself by himself.
> > >>
> > >> Then of course he could buy another awesome jumpsuit
> > >
> > >< snip >
> > >
> > >ROFL !
> > >We never did get the pic in binaries .....
> > >
> > >oh, too funny <wipes tear>
> >
> > I kept it for the archives.
So now you're keeping photos of men for your "archives", hey? Some would
deem that a bit queer....... not that there's anything wrong with that!!
Peter Lucas
> But would he represent himself in court??
>
> Perhaps he'd get a JP to do that :-)
You been leaning on your shovel, beside the road, in the full sun without
your hat on again?
Peter Lucas
"Barbara" <bobbar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Do you two realise how pathetic you sound? Do you two realise how *obsessed*
you are with me? But...... I suppose, people always obsess about things they
either want to be, or can't have. Maybe I should feel flattered?
*YUCK*!!!! I think not!!
Having some toothless crone and a fat factory worker obsessing about
me........ Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
Peter Lucas
I don't see you putting up your hand as having the intellect/capability to
claim the $3,000, and yet you scoff at it!
More fool you!
Peter Lucas
> Some time ago, upon some distant planet in a yet uncharted galaxy,
> soli...@bigpond.com was heard to utter these now infamous words in
> alt.ozdebate......
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > What do others think?
> >
>
> I think the best thing for Mr Lucas to do is to leave Usenet completely
> for a couple of months, then return using a different pen name.
Something that you idiots from ozdebate would love dearly to happen?
Bad news, bucko! :-)
>Perhaps
> his time away could be filled with lessons in good manners & respecting
> others.
Tell that to your scumbag mates, as well.
> Hey it's better than what others have come up with :-)
But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
Peter Lucas
"Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message
And you are the 'shining' example.
Peter Lucas
"peter terry" <namb...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Take your complaints straight to the police and insist that they
investigate
> or else.
>
> There are privacy laws.
Good idea, I'm going to call the Fed's in the morning and see what they say.
Peter Lucas
"Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message
> I think you are spot on. Cousin Peter is having difficulty in keeping
> his lies straight. Me, I discovered it was a lot easier to tell the
> truth
*Good* joke mackay!!
Now...... is it you that lives at 132 Blamey Cres, Campbell, ACT, 2612 ??
Or will you lie about that one *again*? Just bear in mind I do have a scan
of a document with your signature on it, and this is the address you give at
the top.
You have been a liar and a fraud from Day1, mackay. All your pathetic
bullshit and blustering is only going to influence those with an IQ the same
as yours (which BTW, corresponds with your shoe size).
Oh, BTW, try not to be so pathetic as to crosspost to rec.skydiving........
you'll only get your arse kicked *again*, like you did last time you tried
it!! :-)
Peter Mackay
Cousin Peter is listening for the black helicopters. And now I
understand why he thought I got his address from hacking into One
Nation's database. He wasn't game to put his own address on his party
membership application - he put his girlfriend's!
Big man!
All that talk about owning a riverside mansion was so much hot air.
And perhaps he can tell us why he was discharged from the army. He was
in the SAS, sure, but when a back injury stopped him from parachuting,
he was no good for special forces anymore.
All that undercover work he claims he did infiltrating left-wing
organisations to gain intelligence for One Nation, another load of
rubbish?
You know what we'll get back in return. No answers. Just a tirade of
redneck abuse.
Cruiser
Welch was heard to utter these now infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
> >jet, single engine, multi engine, seaplane......)
>
>
Kewl..
> >Where are they kept? (I'm assuming Caboolture, or perhaps Archerfield)
>
> Both at Sunshine Coast Airport, but one normally lives in the
> Northern Territory.
>
Not too far away.
> >When are you gonna take us for a flight in one??
>
> When you pay my fuel bill!
>
lessee.. ~$1.50 / litre for about 200 litres.... $300
hmmmm
or did you mean your monthly fuel bill?
Denis Wright
> > There are privacy laws.
> Good idea, I'm going to call the Fed's in the morning and see what they say.
And they said.....?
Denis
One Fed, two Feds. Plurals just add s. How hard is that for anyone with
an IQ of over 20 to understand?
John Mares
"Denis Wright" <dwr...@mutz.une.edu.au.invalid> wrote in message
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> Peter Lucas <sky...@earthling.net> wrote:
>
> > > There are privacy laws.
>
> > Good idea, I'm going to call the Fed's in the morning and see what they
say.
>
> And they said.....?
My guess: "Fuck off loser!"
Just a guess of course :)
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Denis Wright
> I think the best thing for Mr Lucas to do is to leave Usenet completely
> for a couple of months, then return using a different pen name.
But you don't understand. This IS Mr. Lucas's life! His only way of
getting kicks appears to be to perform in paranoid melodramas with
himself at the centre, bring in a few other characters by baiting them,
and then set up scenarios in public forums which feature himself. He
craves and demands to be noticed, any way he can. Please don't ask him
to give it up. Why else would he exist, in his cloak of many colours?
It's the perfect way for him to be as naughty a boy as he likes, because
it's always the wicked, mysterious forger who is there to take the
blame.
Just look at his usenet history, for god's sake!
Denis
Peter Lucas
"M. Andre Mandrake of the MOUL" <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:09:07 +1000, at alt.ozdebate, "Peter
> Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> claimed:
Why?
>and give
> me the two sets of headers.
Why?
Peter Lucas
> I will take him under my wing with the alias "Lucas
> Indentured to the MOUL" and none of you will notice
Sorry, Mouly old mate, but I have had this same email address for the better
part of 8 years, and I have *always* had my name up on top of my post.
I stand behind what I say, I speak my mind........ and to hell with anyone
who doesn't like it!
>as most
> of our posts are deleted by the weak-minded.
That should be *posted*.
Peter Lucas
Cruiser
Welch was heard to utter these now infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
> >>
> >>
> >lessee.. ~$1.50 / litre for about 200 litres.... $300
> >
> >hmmmm
> >
> >or did you mean your monthly fuel bill?
>
>
OK, so long as you guarantee not to use any for a month :-)
Cruiser
Wright was heard to utter these now infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
Yeah I know his history....
Thought it was worth a go though.
Dion!
Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I quote:
>But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do for a
crust Lucas?
Dion M.
"Move along, nothing to see here."
Dyna Soar
"Craig Welch" <cr...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:55:02 GMT, Cruiser
> <cru...@auscruiser.homeip.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> When you pay my fuel bill!
> >> >>
> >> >lessee.. ~$1.50 / litre for about 200 litres.... $300
> >> >
> >> >hmmmm
> >> >
> >> >or did you mean your monthly fuel bill?
> >>
> >> Yes, that would be nice.
>
> >OK, so long as you guarantee not to use any for a month :-)
>
> airport refueller ran out of Avgas!
Real choppers don't use Avgas.......
--
Dyna.
sacul
"Dion!" <m...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3c90881e...@news.ozemail.com.au...
> At or around Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:09:00 +1000, a person using the alias of
"Peter
> Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I
quote:
>
> >But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
>
> Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do
for a
> crust Lucas?
>
Subject: Re: DV , shared parenting and another SF lie by the Family (sic)
Court.
Newsgroups: aus.politics, alt.child-support
View this article only
Date: 2001-02-26 05:56:05 PST
And what is stopping the guys from taking out a DV order? Nothing.
I did.
I took out a DV order against my now ex wife. I'm 6'2", ex-SASR, spent 15
years in the Army, worked as a 'bouncer' in the roughest pubs in Townsville,
Ingham, Mt. Isa for 11 years and yet here i was in court, getting a DV order
against this woman half my size. Why? Because I have the same rights as she
does. I have the right to be able to go about my daily business without
copping any abuse from her, or from anyone.
Peter Mackay
says...
> At or around Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:09:00 +1000, a person using the alias of "Peter
> Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I quote:
>
> >But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
>
> Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do for a
> crust Lucas?
He's a sperm donor.
Phoenix
He is a professional Usenet Sledger
Peter Mackay
cr...@pacific.net.sg says...
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:16:38 GMT, Peter Mackay
> <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote:
>
>
> >> Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do for a
> >> crust Lucas?
> >
> >He's a sperm donor.
>
He's actually a fantastic lover.
Entirely self-taught, as Benny Hill would say.
Dechucka
> .
> "M. Andre Mandrake of the MOUL" <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
> news:3c9b6dcb...@moul.org.au...
>
> > I will take him under my wing with the alias "Lucas
> > Indentured to the MOUL" and none of you will notice
>
> Sorry, Mouly old mate, but I have had this same email address for the
better
> part of 8 years, and I have *always* had my name up on top of my post.
But not a legit e-mail addresss under it
> I stand behind what I say, I speak my mind........ and to hell with anyone
> who doesn't like it!
fine
>
>
>
>
>
>
Peter Mackay
says...
No. Death threats are *never* acceptable.
Peter Lucas
"Giftzwerg" <gift...@zahn.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.16f9ef941...@news.zahn.net...
> In article <_KKj8.2324$523.1...@ozemail.com.au>, sky...@earthling.net
> says...
> >
> > "M. Andre Mandrake of the MOUL" <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
> > news:3c9a6d95...@moul.org.au...
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > >and give
> > > me the two sets of headers.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
> >
Yes I do. And I also have an extra $2,000 bonus if it turns out to be
mackay!
Peter Lucas
"Peter
> Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I
quote:
>
> >But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
>
> Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do
for a
> crust Lucas?
It's not sledging........ he is a roadworker. He has admitted to building
roads.
And as anyone will attest, we have *all* seen what roadworkers are like!
But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn business,
boy!
Peter Lucas
"Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message
Yep, just like my great-great grandaddy was!!
(From another post......................)
Here's the story behind why the 'slug' maintains that I'm his cousin.
mackay maintains that he had a relative (great-great grandmother?)called
Elizabeth who married someone called Lucas.
My reply to him was............
"I've had a look back thru' my family tree. As ashamed as I am to admit it,
he could be right. We could actually be cousins. My great-great-grandfather
had a perchant for using the services of prostitutes after his wife had
died. He was known to be a bit of a stud and got a few of the pro's
pregnant. According to the family, he was able to get most of the
pregnancies 'terminated' so as not to burden his legitimate offspring with
troublesome bastards in the future. Which was a good thing because during
his 'travels' he managed to pick up a case of syphyilis, which he passed
onto his 'service providers'. Obviously, in light of mackays findings, he
didn't succeed with a termination in the case of this part of the 'family
tree'. Apparently, one of the pro's named Elizabeth was so taken with my
g/g/granddad that when he went off and left her for a younger, prettier pro
(apparently, she was a bit of a dog who had managed to 'seduce' my
g/g/granddad when he was drowning his sorrows on the anniversary of his
wifes death) she went and married some loser with the same name as my
g/g/grandad, so her baby would grow up with it's daddies name!! (Once they
had the best, they had to settle for seconds....... too bad!!)
So if mackay has a syphylitic pro called Elizabeth as a g/g/grandmother,
then yes, we may just be cousins!! (Maybe the hereditary syphyilis would
account for the mental instability??) But either way, our family had decided
to disown that side of the 'family' a looooooong time ago. No-one wants to
have a bunch of syphylitic, drunken losers hanging around, do they??"
Peter Lucas
"Phoenix" <ros...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:3C9097A1...@ozemail.com.au...
> "Dion!" wrote:
> >
> > At or around Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:09:00 +1000, a person using the alias
of "Peter
> > Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I
quote:
> >
> > >But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
> >
> > Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do
for a
> > crust Lucas?
> >
> > Dion M.
> >
> > "Move along, nothing to see here."
>
> He is a professional Usenet Sledger
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I don't get paid for telling it like it
is....... unfortunately!
sacul
>
> But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn business,
> boy!
You have already told us so why get all coy now
In case you have forgotten what you do here it is
Cruiser
Lucas was heard to utter these now infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
> >
> > >But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
> >
> > Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you do
> for a
> > crust Lucas?
>
> It's not sledging........ he is a roadworker. He has admitted to building
> roads.
For once & for all Lucas, I am *not* a road worker. I am employed by a
company that is involved in the construction of roads, yes, and I am
involved in the construction of the Inner City Bypass, the Nundah Bypass
& the Chinderah Bypass in Northern NSW, as well as other projects.
The company I work for also employs mechanics, secretaries, engineers,
designers, accountants, storemen & others. Do you mean to tell me that
they are all roadworkers as well?
> And as anyone will attest, we have *all* seen what roadworkers are like!
>
> But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn business,
> boy!
>
I think it is. Your very quick to point out the shortcomings of other
people & what they do (and screwing that up royally), so I think it only
fair that you tell us what you do for a crust.
Put up or shut up, boy!
Dion!
Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I quote:
>It's not sledging........ he is a roadworker. He has admitted to building
>roads.
He's not a roadworker ... and pray tell, how does one person build a road? You
halfwit.
>And as anyone will attest, we have *all* seen what roadworkers are like!
Have we? I don't know ...
>But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn business,
>boy!
Something to be ashamed of then eh? Dole bludger perhaps?
Dion!
(Power systems engineer)
Phoenix
Well Dion, being on the dole is nothing to be ashamed of and not all on
the dole are 'bludgers' perhaps Mr Mackay can shed some light on how Mr
Lucas earns a crust?
Dyna Soar
> "Dion!" wrote:
> >
> > Something to be ashamed of then eh? Dole bludger perhaps?
> >
>
>
Methinks you protest too much or read into a post something that isn't there!
I read Dion's comments as applying to "Dole Bludgers" not "people on the dole".
Most people are able to differentiate between the two.
--
Dyna.
Dion!
Phoenix <ros...@ozemail.com.au> was placed on the record as saying, and I quote:
>Well Dion, being on the dole is nothing to be ashamed of and not all on
>the dole are 'bludgers'
Hey, don't put words into my mouth! The dole serves a useful purpose for those
who are unemployed ... I have nothing against unemployed people (heck, it
happens to everyone at some stage) ... and yes, it is nothing to be ashamed of.
Its those who abuse the dole system (and who are generally referred to as 'dole
bludgers' for that reason) that I am referring to. Perhaps Lucas is one of
those people ...
AN*Dro_pYnus PANDorYous VH-GST
What you will give $2,000 to yourself?
I tell you what, give me $1,000 and I will take Mckay in to see Constable
P.J. O'Reilly where he will spill his beans and confess, to be sure. You
can then send the rest to the SAS benevolent fund.
Peter Lucas
"Dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sUck8.2951$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> "Peter Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:P0Tj8.2394$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > .
> > "M. Andre Mandrake of the MOUL" <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
> > news:3c9b6dcb...@moul.org.au...
> >
> > > I will take him under my wing with the alias "Lucas
> > > Indentured to the MOUL" and none of you will notice
> >
> > Sorry, Mouly old mate, but I have had this same email address for the
> better
> > part of 8 years, and I have *always* had my name up on top of my post.
>
> But not a legit e-mail addresss under it
Yes, it *is* a legit address. Far more so than a Hotmail address. I've had
it for the better part of 7 or 8 years. A simple Google check would tell you
that.
It is a *permanent* address....... you know the type, if I change ISP's I
still have the same address? And as for legit....... people are paying for
the addresses now.
>
> > I stand behind what I say, I speak my mind........ and to hell with
anyone
> > who doesn't like it!
>
> fine
Cool.
Peter Mackay
>
> "Peter Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:CPgk8.3005$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> | .
> | "Giftzwerg" <gift...@zahn.net> wrote in message
> | news:MPG.16f9ef941...@news.zahn.net...
> | > You don't have $3000, do you?
> |
> | Yes I do. And I also have an extra $2,000 bonus if it turns out to be
> | mackay!
> |
>
> What you will give $2,000 to yourself?
>
> I tell you what, give me $1,000 and I will take Mckay in to see Constable
> P.J. O'Reilly where he will spill his beans and confess, to be sure. You
> can then send the rest to the SAS benevolent fund.
I don't think I could resist that sort of interrogation for long! Going
on past run-ins with Constable O'Reilly. <what I can remember of them,
anyway>
Cousin Peter, if he really wanted to catch the forger, could do as I'm
about to do. Some time ago Cousin Peter entered into an undertaking,
duly registered with the Canberra Magistrates Court, not to respond to
my posts on UseNet. Some time later I found that he had broken that
undertaking in a post made in rec.skydiving, and as everyone may see, he
has broken that undertaking repeatedly recently, including some of the
posts he says are forgeries.
Now, I'm about to blow the dust off the old court documents and ask that
the court sub-poena documents from Cousin Peter's ISP showing who made
these posts in apparent breach of the undertaking signed by him and
witnessed in court. I'll also ask for the same thing as regards other
posts coming from the same ISP under other names. I'll also ask for the
payment details of this account. And the terms of service. And a few
other things relevant to identification of the poster and what he is
able to do using his account.
Cousin Peter will have a chance to oppose this, but he'll have to front
up here in Canberra and he'll have to have a very good reason to do so.
Once I know that he breached his undertaking, I'll then ask for
proceedings in the original court case to be resumed, and I can't see
any reason why the court won't order him to desist from the same
activities he personally undertook to desist from a couple of years ago.
Of course he is at liberty to travel to Canberra and oppose these
proceedings, and I shall listen to his explanations with some interest.
I'll then go to his ISP with clear evidence that he breached their terms
of service. I'll approach earthlink with the same details.
I'll also go to the Australian Federal Police with the evidence and ask
them to initiate criminal proceedings against Cousin Peter.
The interim, not the end result, but the interim result, will be that
Cousin Peter will find himself removed from his ISP and earthlink. He'll
have his house searched and his computer(s) seized along with any
removable media. He'll have to surrender any firearms he owns and he'll
be placed under bail conditions that keep him off the Internet.
And then we'll see how the criminal case goes. As a first offender, he
probably won't get a severe penalty, but the magistrate will certainly
be swayed by examining the material that Cousin Peter has written. If he
elects to be heard by a judge and jury, then the jury will be very
interested in the same material. And of course the range of penalties
available to a judge is much greater than for a magistrate.
Cousin Peter will be well advised to seek legal representation, good
legal representation. And he may then say goodbye to his house if he has
one, because the cost of being defended by Jack Pappas in a criminal
trial will bankrupt any normal person.
Cousin Peter may approach me privately to see what it will take to stop
me from going ahead with this, and I will listen to any presentations he
may make with an open mind. As regular readers of canb.general will
know, I'm receptive to anything that involves lifting the tone of
discussion, and I'm happy to recognise that people, including myself,
can go too far down the tit-for-tat road.
At the very least I will ask for a public apology on his part and we'll
then publicly bury the hatchet.
If not, then within a fairly short time we'll all know who the forger
is. If it *isn't* Cousin Peter, then I'll happily approach him for my
$3000 reward.
Stay tuned for more news on this.
Cousin Peter, the ball's now in your court (so to speak) and from where
I sit, you are snookered.
Peter Lucas
"Cruiser" <cru...@auscruiser.homeip.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.16fc4c2fcfff7f5d9896e7@news-server...
> Some time ago, upon some distant planet in a yet uncharted galaxy, Peter
> Lucas was heard to utter these now infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
> > >
> > > >But it does show your roadworker mentality, unfortunately.
> > >
> > > Since you like sledging people based on their occupation, what do you
do
> > for a
> > > crust Lucas?
> >
> > It's not sledging........ he is a roadworker. He has admitted to
building
> > roads.
>
> For once & for all Lucas, I am *not* a road worker.
Rather defensive, aren't you, darren?
>I am employed by a
> company that is involved in the construction of roads, yes, and I am
> involved in the construction of the Inner City Bypass, the Nundah Bypass
> & the Chinderah Bypass in Northern NSW, as well as other projects.
So........ let me see if I get this right. You work for a company that
builds roads, you are involved in the *construction* of roads......... but
you're *not* a roadworker?
> The company I work for also employs mechanics, secretaries, engineers,
> designers, accountants, storemen & others. Do you mean to tell me that
> they are all roadworkers as well?
Have any of them admitted to driving "heavy machinary" to help construct
roads?
If yes......... then they are roadworkers too.
You really should think about things before you post.
> > And as anyone will attest, we have *all* seen what roadworkers are like!
> >
> > But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn
business,
> > boy!
> >
> I think it is. Your very quick to point out the shortcomings of other
> people & what they do
"Shortcomings"??? As I have said, we have *all* witnessed at one time or
another, the mentality of roadworkers.
>(and screwing that up royally),
Methinks you are the only person with 'ones foot in ones mouth', at the
moment :-)
>so I think it only
> fair that you tell us what you do for a crust.
You "think it is only fair"??!!! :-)
You sound like a pouting little schoolboy!!
> Put up or shut up, boy!
One thing I have learnt since delving into alt.ozdebate, little man, is that
the only reason most of you arsewipes want to know something about someone,
is to use it against them.
So, little man.............. sing for your supper :-) :-)
Peter Lucas
> At or around Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:11:41 +1000, a person using the alias of
"Peter
> Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> was placed on the record as saying, and I
quote:
>
> >It's not sledging........ he is a roadworker. He has admitted to building
> >roads.
>
> He's not a roadworker ...
And you are..........??
No one of consequence, I'm sure.
>and pray tell, how does one person build a road? You
> halfwit.
Do a Google search and find out, 'halfwit', as I have no interest in looking
into the job description of a roadworker.
>
> >And as anyone will attest, we have *all* seen what roadworkers are like!
>
> Have we? I don't know ...
You don't know much, do you?
> >But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn
business,
> >boy!
>
> Something to be ashamed of then eh?
No :-) Just love seeing little worms like you squirm :-)
>Dole bludger perhaps?
Ekchewly, I have *never* received the 'Dole' in my life. Unlike some, hey?
Peter Lucas
> At or around Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:21:51 +0930, a person using the alias of
> Phoenix <ros...@ozemail.com.au> was placed on the record as saying, and I
quote:
>
> >Well Dion, being on the dole is nothing to be ashamed of and not all on
> >the dole are 'bludgers'
>
> Hey, don't put words into my mouth! The dole serves a useful purpose for
those
> who are unemployed ... I have nothing against unemployed people (heck, it
> happens to everyone at some stage) ... and yes, it is nothing to be
ashamed of.
Exactly. I have known several people who have collected the dole. I have
'counselled' them all at various times......... and I'm happy to report that
all of them are now gainfully employed in *long term* jobs :-)
> Its those who abuse the dole system (and who are generally referred to as
'dole
> bludgers' for that reason) that I am referring to. Perhaps Lucas is one
of
> those people ...
As I detest *anyone* who uses the dole system for a 'govt funded
holiday'........ you can keep fishing, little worm :-)
Peter Lucas
"Phoenix" <ros...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:3C91E057...@ozemail.com.au...
> "Dion!" wrote:
> > (Power systems engineer)
>
> Well Dion, being on the dole is nothing to be ashamed of and not all on
> the dole are 'bludgers' perhaps Mr Mackay can shed some light on how Mr
> Lucas earns a crust?
Don't know why you would want to hang your hat with a 'person' like mackay,
rossy. You really should be more selective!
Please feel free to read my post on "mackay the spy".
Peter Lucas
"H.I.M. Andre Mandrake, of the MOUL " <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
news:3c950bfe...@moul.org.au...
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:08:44 +1000, at alt.ozdebate, "Peter
> Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> claimed:
> >"Giftzwerg" <gift...@zahn.net> wrote in message
> >> You don't have $3000, do you?
> >
> >Yes I do. And I also have an extra $2,000 bonus if it turns out to be
> >mackay!
>
> Shit, mate, for $2,000 that can be arranged.
So long as it stands up in Court :-)
Cruiser
infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
> >Put up or shut up, boy!
>
> I attest to the truth of this. I distinctly remember Cruiser
> posting that he worked for a road construction company, but
> in the efficiency department. His job is to stand at the
> men's loo and shake the roadworker's dicks after peeing to
> hurry them along.
>
> He has company awards for meritorious service.
>
Ha Ha Ha ...
Very funny - NOT!
Peter Lucas
> In article <3c91...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, sick...@mail.com says...
> >
> > "Peter Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> wrote in message
> > news:CPgk8.3005$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > | .
> > | "Giftzwerg" <gift...@zahn.net> wrote in message
> > | news:MPG.16f9ef941...@news.zahn.net...
>
> > | > You don't have $3000, do you?
> > |
> > | Yes I do. And I also have an extra $2,000 bonus if it turns out to be
> > | mackay!
> > |
> >
> > What you will give $2,000 to yourself?
> >
> > I tell you what, give me $1,000 and I will take Mckay in to see Constable
> > P.J. O'Reilly where he will spill his beans and confess, to be sure. You
> > can then send the rest to the SAS benevolent fund.
>
> I don't think I could resist that sort of interrogation for long! Going
> on past run-ins with Constable O'Reilly. <what I can remember of them,
> anyway>
>
> Cousin Peter, if he really wanted to catch the forger, could do as I'm
> about to do. Some time ago Cousin Peter entered into an undertaking,
> duly registered with the Canberra Magistrates Court, not to respond to
> my posts on UseNet.
As you did too, or don't you remember that part? And as I have said in
the past, you seem to forget that *I* made sure that stipulation was
in the Undertaking....... which you were made to sign after your
attempt to get a bogus RO awarded against me.
>Some time later I found that he had broken that
> undertaking in a post made in rec.skydiving,
So you're a *regular* poster to rec.skydiving, are you?
Look at the document *very* closely mackay...... you'll see that that
the stipulations are that you don't contact me, or reply to any post I
make *anywhere* on the internet.
You breached that Order, I made a complaint against you.
>and as everyone may see, he
> has broken that undertaking repeatedly recently,
As I said mackay...... go and see the Senior Registrar at the Canberra
Magistrates Courts and ask for the copy of my complaint that was made
against you about 12 months ago.
(The rest of mackays postulating deleted......)
Cruiser
Lucas was heard to utter these now infamous words in alt.ozdebate......
> building
> > > roads.
> >
> > For once & for all Lucas, I am *not* a road worker.
>
> Rather defensive, aren't you, darren?
>
On this topic, yes.
> >I am employed by a
> > company that is involved in the construction of roads, yes, and I am
> > involved in the construction of the Inner City Bypass, the Nundah Bypass
> > & the Chinderah Bypass in Northern NSW, as well as other projects.
>
> So........ let me see if I get this right. You work for a company that
> builds roads, you are involved in the *construction* of roads......... but
> you're *not* a roadworker?
>
Yup, that's right. The company I work for is also involved in the
construction of Golf Resorts & housing estates, does that now mean I'm a
golfer or a builder?
> > The company I work for also employs mechanics, secretaries, engineers,
> > designers, accountants, storemen & others. Do you mean to tell me that
> > they are all roadworkers as well?
>
> Have any of them admitted to driving "heavy machinary" to help construct
> roads?
> If yes......... then they are roadworkers too.
They don't operate heavy machinery, and nor do I. Keep trying.
> You really should think about things before you post.
>
I think you should do that more than I.
> > > And as anyone will attest, we have *all* seen what roadworkers are like!
> > >
> > > But as far as my occupation goes......... it's none of your damn
> business,
> > > boy!
> > >
> > I think it is. Your very quick to point out the shortcomings of other
> > people & what they do
>
> "Shortcomings"??? As I have said, we have *all* witnessed at one time or
> another, the mentality of roadworkers.
>
> >(and screwing that up royally),
>
> Methinks you are the only person with 'ones foot in ones mouth', at the
> moment :-)
>
Only in your opinion, and we know what that is worth.
Lea B
"Peter Mackay" <> wrote ...
> sick...@mail.com says...
> > "Peter Lucas" <> wrote ...
> > | "Giftzwerg" <> wrote ...
Interesting reading.
I'd be interested in the outcome of this one.
Phoenix
Not hanging my hat on anyone Pete but you and Mackay seem inten on
airing your dirty linen in here and obviously know a great deal about
each other - a mere suggestion!
--
Peter Mackay
l...@ijustdontcare.com says...
>
> "Peter Mackay" <> wrote ...
> > Stay tuned for more news on this.
> >
> > Cousin Peter, the ball's now in your court (so to speak) and from where
> > I sit, you are snookered.
>
> Interesting reading.
> I'd be interested in the outcome of this one.
I'm perfectly willing to make accomodations, but considering the torrent
of abuse and lies coming my way from Cousin Peter, well, there's a limit
to good-humoured tolerance.
I hope that we can resolve this like adults, but if not, I'll take the
course outlined. It's a three-day weekend here in Canberra, so Cousin
Peter has until Tuesday dawn to work it out.
Peter Mackay
says...
> Peter Lucas wrote:
> >
> > .
> > "Phoenix" <ros...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:3C91E057...@ozemail.com.au...
> > > "Dion!" wrote:
> > > > Dion!
> > > > (Power systems engineer)
> > >
> > > Well Dion, being on the dole is nothing to be ashamed of and not all on
> > > the dole are 'bludgers' perhaps Mr Mackay can shed some light on how Mr
> > > Lucas earns a crust?
> >
> > Don't know why you would want to hang your hat with a 'person' like mackay,
> > rossy. You really should be more selective!
> >
> > Please feel free to read my post on "mackay the spy".
>
> Not hanging my hat on anyone Pete but you and Mackay seem inten on
> airing your dirty linen in here and obviously know a great deal about
> each other - a mere suggestion!
Well, no. Most of what Cousin Peter posts is sheer fantasy. He says I
was jailed for theft. I wasn't. He says I have denied it. I haven't. The
evidence is there for anybody who cares to check.
I just had a look and there are *hundreds* of posts on Google Groups.
Here's one of my favourite stories - aus.politics was talking about
rehabilitating criminals
***BEGIN QUOTE
Depends on the individual, but there seems to be a total lack of
interest by the system in reform or rehabilitation. Bunch of fellow
cons did a first-aid course whilst I was in the office slaving over a
hot computer, and after work we sat on the "Do-It-Hard" bench and
discussed the day. They were all proud of passing the course, and
boasting of their knowledge. I gave them a test.
"Right, supposing a busy prison officer walked down the path, and keeled
over in front of you, gasping for air and clutching his chest. What do
you do?"
The answer was unanimous in effect, divided in detail.
"Kick him in the cods!"
"Boot his face in!"
"Jump up and down on the bastard!"
***SIGH***
***END QUOTE
Peter Lucas
"Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message
> In article <a6u2g6$h6ki8$1...@ID-68626.news.dfncis.de>,
> l...@ijustdontcare.com says...
> >
> > "Peter Mackay" <> wrote ...
>
> > > Stay tuned for more news on this.
> > >
> > > Cousin Peter, the ball's now in your court (so to speak) and from
where
> > > I sit, you are snookered.
> >
> > Interesting reading.
> > I'd be interested in the outcome of this one.
>
> I'm perfectly willing to make accomodations, but considering the torrent
> of abuse and lies coming my way from Cousin Peter, well, there's a limit
> to good-humoured tolerance.
"Torrent of abuse and lies"?? What a joke!!
Why don't you wait for the outcome from the Police investigation? Worried?
Peter Lucas
> Peter Lucas wrote:
> >
> > .
> > "Phoenix" <ros...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:3C91E057...@ozemail.com.au...
> > > "Dion!" wrote:
> > > > Dion!
> > > > (Power systems engineer)
> > >
> > > Well Dion, being on the dole is nothing to be ashamed of and not all
on
> > > the dole are 'bludgers' perhaps Mr Mackay can shed some light on how
Mr
> > > Lucas earns a crust?
> >
> > Don't know why you would want to hang your hat with a 'person' like
mackay,
> > rossy. You really should be more selective!
> >
> > Please feel free to read my post on "mackay the spy".
>
> Not hanging my hat on anyone Pete but you and Mackay seem inten on
> airing your dirty linen in here and obviously know a great deal about
> each other - a mere suggestion!
He knows *nothing* about me, other than my address and phone number, which
he posted on the Internet and *invited* all the wierdo's and whacko's out
there to either call or visit me.
But as I have stated in another thread, he's back in my killfile now, so he
can play at slagging me off to his hearts content, but he'll be doing it on
his lonesome. Well that is, apart from all the other idiots that will join
in.
Peter Lucas
"Lea B" <l...@ijustdontcare.com> wrote in message
news:a6u2g6$h6ki8$1...@ID-68626.news.dfncis.de...
> Interesting reading.
You know why it's interesting? He's just had the same thing happen to him!!
> I'd be interested in the outcome of this one.
As would I. If you think that mackays posturing is of any relevance, you're
sadly mistaken.
"Criminal trial"??!! What a joke!
But I will tell you all one thing, the Computer Crimes Unit of the
Queensland Police Force is doing a trace on the forged posts. If they are
unable to get a result, I have been told that the Federal Police Computer
Crimes Unit will help out.
We should have a result soon :-)
Mark and Sonia
Just leave the newsgroup for stupid accusations and innuendo , not sub
infant throwing of
play money. GET FU!^&*^%!ED and play MONOPOLY on your little weinies or
something LMFAO!!!!!!!
-Mark.
NLWTBITMFSBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(No Longer Willing To Be In The Mood For Skydivers BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Hunter
> But I will tell you all one thing, the Computer Crimes Unit of the
> Queensland Police Force is doing a trace on the forged posts. If they are
> unable to get a result, I have been told that the Federal Police Computer
> Crimes Unit will help out.
>
> We should have a result soon :-)
Bwahahahaahah, this crap is still going on is it???? It must be the season for
clowns in usenet... I'm still laughing about Stooge and his supposed buddies in
the federal police and Scotland yard, but wait, he appears to have vanished.
Perhaps you'd be good enough to do the same before Easter, my master plan is
that by that extra long weekend my workload will have diminished to the point
that I can return on a more regular basis, but if the crap I've read on this
glorious Sunday morning is anything to go by, I seriously doubt it. Over 700
posts over the last week (not including however many have expired), and most of
it dedicated to your crap. You must truly be a proud troll... In fact I may
have to go and drink a carton of Tooheys Old in penance for posting the initial
post on your emailbombing campaign that appears to have led to this shit....
Peter Lucas
"H.I.M. Andre Mandrake, of the MOUL " <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
news:3c95532d...@moul.org.au...
> You have a very fertile, not to say febrile, imagination,
> convict.
He's also driven by a pathetic obsession that he thinks he is 'king' of the
newsgroups.
And woe betide *anyone* who would *dare* stand in his way or dare to go
against him.
Unfortunatly, he lives in a State that caters to vexatious litigators.
Peter Lucas
And *yes*........ I'm following up my own post
"Peter Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:PPIk8.3392$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> .
> And I reply *only* because a friend told me about it some postulating crap
> that he is writing now that I have killfiled him............
>
> "Peter Mackay" <peter....@bigpond.com.aus> wrote in message
> news:MPG.16fd936f680db068989a70@news-server...
> > In article <3C92CD53...@yahoo.com>, cuddly...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> > > Lea B wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Peter Mackay" <> wrote ...
> > > > > Cousin Peter, the ball's now in your court (so to speak) and from
> where
> > > > > I sit, you are snookered.
> > > > Interesting reading.
> > > > I'd be interested in the outcome of this one.
> > >
> > > Then stick around..... It should reach a conclusion in a fre short
> millennia or
> > > so.....
> > >
> > > But how, exactly, do you get a court order forcing someone to not
reply
> to
> > > someone else?
> > > Seems pretty daft, and a complete waste of court time to me.
> >
> > When a person is pushing out abusive, defamatory and threatening posts
> > on a frequent basis, it is a criminal act.
>
> Wrong, mackay. Please show me where they have been "threatening"........
Let me rephrase that.... please show me where they have been threatening *to
you*.
> please show me where they have been "defamatory".
Please show me where they have been 'defamatory', *to you*.
>And yes, back at the
> begining of the year, I probably was a bit abusive.
But not to you, mackay.
>I have toned down my
> posts quite a *lot* since then.
Unfortunately, some resident morons on alt.ozdebate, just can't see that.
> The Computer Crimes Unit (Qld Police) is tracking the forged posts and
when
> they get a name and number........ then you'll see some Court action :-)
Wether it's you or not............ well, that's been up to you.
Spooky Guy Next Door
(Dyna_s...@yahoo.com.au) wrote:
"Most people" defined as "those who don't watch ACA, TT, or Ten/Seven so-
calle 'News'" :o)
--
The ideas expressed in the above post are my own, with the possible
exception of the one involving a scarecrow and a stick of butter.
blog - http://www.cyberfuddle.com/infinitebabble/
cyberfuddle - http://www.cyberfuddle.com/
netiquette (read!) - http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
TY
Hunter wrote:
Didn't you just get voted off Survivor?
Rev Jim
Curious. I have limited trace capabilities when i am out on the road, and
using the laptop. I just recieved a virus, at least I assume it is a virus,
through the email account I use to post here, on rec.skydiving. In my
limited traces, I got as far as Australia. I will be tracing further when I
get home later this/next week, but for now, could this be the same anus who
sent me this?
The senders ip was 210.48.135.56
The full headers, minus the actual program, are posted below.
Thanks,
--
Rev Jim
A-39869
PSS#1
"It's just what I do..."
From Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:39:52 -0800
Received: from [210.48.135.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id
MHotMailBE5D307D00C740043799D2308738042C0; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:38:38 -0800
Subject: hottest!!
From: Raquel Darian
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--VEEV0PA3G9Q7SPIVGHQNGTE3"
----VEEV0PA3G9Q7SPIVGHQNGTE3
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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----VEEV0PA3G9Q7SPIVGHQNGTE3
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="horny.EXE"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="horny.EXE"
Peter Mackay
>
> "Peter Lucas" <sky...@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:3GYk8.3520$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> >
> > "H.I.M. Andre Mandrake, of the MOUL " <MO...@R.US> wrote in message
> > news:3c95532d...@moul.org.au...
> > > You have a very fertile, not to say febrile, imagination,
> > > convict.
> >
> > He's also driven by a pathetic obsession that he thinks he is 'king' of
> the
> > newsgroups.
> >
> > And woe betide *anyone* who would *dare* stand in his way or dare to go
> > against him.
> >
> > Unfortunatly, he lives in a State that caters to vexatious litigators.
> >
> >
>
> Curious. I have limited trace capabilities when i am out on the road, and
> using the laptop. I just recieved a virus, at least I assume it is a virus,
> through the email account I use to post here, on rec.skydiving. In my
> limited traces, I got as far as Australia. I will be tracing further when I
> get home later this/next week, but for now, could this be the same anus who
> sent me this?
> The senders ip was 210.48.135.56
domain: picknowl.com.au
descr: Professionals in Computer Knowledge Pty. Ltd.
descr: (ACN) 008 096 179
descr: GPO Box 1629
descr: Adelaide
descr: SA 5001
admin-c: PC219-AU
tech-c: RP208-AU
zone-c: PC219-AU
remarks: Created 19961227
changed: nob...@aunic.net 19961227
source: AUNIC
person: Paul D Collins
address: GPO Box 425 Adelaide, SA, 5001
address: AU
phone: +61 8 82237400
fax-no: +61 8 82321498
e-mail: p...@picknowl.com.au
nic-hdl: PC219-AU
remarks: (Organisation) RTR Models SA P/L
remarks: Created 19960930
changed: nob...@aunic.net 19960930
source: AUNIC
person: Richard K Payne
address: GPO Box 1629
address: Adelaide
address: SA 5001
address: AU
phone: +61 8 82237400
fax-no: +61 8 82321498
e-mail: r...@picknowl.com.au
nic-hdl: RP208-AU
remarks: (Organisation) Professionals in Computer Knowledge
remarks: Created 19960930
changed: nob...@aunic.net 19960930
source: AUNIC
Adelaide is a well-known hotbed of porn.
Rev Jim
"Peter Mackay" wrote
Thank you for this information. I got as far as Adelaide here on the laptop,
and the extra was helpful. As far as the "What the F@#k does this have to do
with skydiving" post, this email account is used exclusively for posting on
the rec.skydiving newsgroup, with the exception of only this and the
previous post concerning this matter. This means that you skydivers are
having your posts farmed for emails. Be prepared to do alot of deleting, or
changing the addresses to spam proof. Here's a hint though: The new email
"harvestors" detect anti spam measures and convieniently "fix" them. A
common one is adding the word "spam" to the address. The program simply
removes that word. Ditto with spelling out "at dot com".
Have fun.
> Adelaide is a well-known hotbed of porn.
Well, they must be morons, sending out exe files. Either that or they are
feeding on the rest of the morons stupid enough to open these files. My best
guess is this program that was sent to me is probably an automatic dialer
program, or a flat out virus. Either way, I'm not about to open it and find
out. I will, however send it to anyone else who would like to open it and
find out. Any Mac users want to take a look at it?
Peter Mackay
I use NeoTrace Pro. Costs a bit, but it provides a heap of handy
information. Interesting to see the trace skip across the map of the
world (or more recently, just Australia).
> As far as the "What the F@#k does this have to do
> with skydiving" post, this email account is used exclusively for posting on
> the rec.skydiving newsgroup, with the exception of only this and the
> previous post concerning this matter. This means that you skydivers are
> having your posts farmed for emails. Be prepared to do alot of deleting, or
> changing the addresses to spam proof. Here's a hint though: The new email
> "harvestors" detect anti spam measures and convieniently "fix" them. A
> common one is adding the word "spam" to the address. The program simply
> removes that word. Ditto with spelling out "at dot com".
> Have fun.
I didn't think it would take long for the more obvious spamtraps to be
identified and got around. The address I use for posting is very subtly
incorrect.
>
> > Adelaide is a well-known hotbed of porn.
>
> Well, they must be morons, sending out exe files. Either that or they are
> feeding on the rest of the morons stupid enough to open these files. My best
> guess is this program that was sent to me is probably an automatic dialer
> program, or a flat out virus. Either way, I'm not about to open it and find
> out. I will, however send it to anyone else who would like to open it and
> find out. Any Mac users want to take a look at it?
You'd be surprised by how many people still open executables. I'm just
waiting for the Nigerians to get into the act.
Peter Lucas
"Dechucka" <dech...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7bal8.3715$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...> news:khnk8.3142$523.2...@ozemail.com.au...
> > It is a *permanent* address....... you know the type, if I change ISP's
I
> > still have the same address? And as for legit....... people are paying
for
> > the addresses now.
> >
> Apologies was looking at organisation not e-mail address
No worries.
Peter Mackay
cr...@pacific.net.sg says...
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:51:49 +1000, "Peter Lucas"
> <sky...@earthling.net> wrote:
>
> >You have some idiot copy *all* your internet details down to the littlest
> >point (in the source code) and then have said idiot making inflammatory
> >posts in your name, across a whole range of newsgroups, and see how you like
> >it.
>
> Source code? Usenet?
For some people, all this computer gunk looks the same. HTML, headers,
source code - it's all Greek, hey?
But then, those "some people" are most of humanity.
Having said that, I guess the post referred to must have been one of
those wicked inflammatory forgeries, judging by the intemperate
language.
--
Cheers,
Peter Mackay MCP MCSD, source code junkie
Hunter
> Didn't you just get voted off Survivor?
Not the last time I looked. Do you often become confused but crap TV shows that tend
to lower your IQ?
Rhonda Lea Kirk
confused about which ng to which you should be directing this moronic
debate.
rl
"Hunter" <hun...@vianet.net.au> wrote in message
news:3C966175...@vianet.net.au...
TY
Hunter wrote:
Glad to see those with your IQ have such a sense of humor.
Mine's so high I can afford to lose a few points. ;o)
Donna
TY
Just another top posting slut.
;o)
Rhonda Lea Kirk
rl
Posted and mailed
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Peter Lucas
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