USSR/Mozilla artist responds to Andkon! "Mozilla is as Communist as Stalin."
andkonDOTcom
Anyways, here is the hilarious (and sickening) email I got today. > is
me, nothing is him, -- is me responding.
> The above picture was NOT made by me, but by a sick idiot.
Polite people doesn't call their opponents sick idiots. Your behaviour
and your
own arguments prove your own sickness rather than mine.
Well supporting a regime that killed 100 million overall is pretty
sick.
> He writes: "I'll make another Mozilla splash - a splash dedicated
> to Stalin." Awwww, isn't that cute.
And I'll do. Just wait... less than two weeks are left.
--Oh I can't wait for that one!
> Now Stalin killed 25 million people thru his
> artificial starvations, idiotic battle plans,
> and executions.
That's a lie. Who are you to judge? I guess your teachers were wrong
more than
once, or you used some wrong sources studying Russian history.
--Who am I to judge? Archives, gulag records, etc. (BTW you go on to
admit that Stalin did kill 25 million, so that makes you either a
stupid moron or a liar.)
You call Stalin battle plans idiotic... hmm... they were victorious,
were they?
--Spin back time to 1942. Hitler was all over Europe and into Russia
even. hmm... they were victorious, were they? Gee, Andras Konya is the
president of the United States and manages to destroy the world by
abombs except for a small part of Nevada where Americans can now start
over. My battle plans were victorious, huh?
What world are you living in - an alternate reality where Hitler won?
Or a game
reality of idSoftware's "Wolfenstein 3D" and "Return to Castle
Wolfenstein"
where Hitler was defeated by Americans and not Soviet soldiers? That's
funny.
--I am sorry to tell you this. Eisenhower was too much of pussy to
take over. That would have cost American lives (about 500,000), which
were more valuable to him than Russian lives. Unfortunatly,
Einsenhower in that stalled move made Eastern Europe fall to
communism. (Oh yeah no one voted communism in to office in Eastern
Europe so from who the hell did you get the invitation to come?) The
Americans did not need Russian help, but in preserving American lives,
they came in handy. BTW I seem to recall the Americans and Russians
meeting in the "middle," hence a West and East Berlin.
--And BTW the way... Ever heard of the Hungarian uprising/revolution
(or shall I say counter-revolution?) of 1956? A majority of the people
wanted democrcy, not communism. Why did you not respect their wished?
BTW again: most of the leaders of the uprising were young communists
who realized their mistake. BTW the leader of the country who switched
sides to the rebels, Imre Nagy, was a communist too.
Most of those 25 million people you're talking about were lost in the
World War.
--Most? So 5 or such million executed/starved is acceptable? And once
again, you admit that 25 million were killed.
What do you know of war between USSR and Nazi Germany? You should try
reading
some real historical materials.
--Well I think even this NG will tell you that I know more than anyone
in here. That's not to say much perhaps, but more than those who dared
look like idiots by trying to argue against the facts.
You there on your side of the Earth have no real right to judge. The
war against
Hitler was the war of my grandfathers, not yours. My mother's father
was really
lucky to survive, he told me. And may you know there were lots of
those who
never returned.
--And many of MY relatives would have been lucky to survive had it not
been for the raping and looting and murder of the Red Army. Go to
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/summer2002/
--Most of those pictures come from a beautiful village in Hungary
called Tihany. Do you see the pictures of the abbey of Tihany? Do you
see the the tomb in which King Andras is? That was the place where
relatives, including my mother as a baby, had to huddle because the
Red Army was literally on a looting and raping spree outside.
Communism and Stalin are so good, huh?
--Do you see the yellow house on the cliff next to the water? That was
my great grandfather's, he was the water engineer for Tihany. After
the communist invasion, the house was taken over by the Red Army and
used to station troops. The fucking retards used the toilet to wash
fish and were surprised when the fish went bye bye...
--Do you see the hill with the Stations of the Cross? Of course that
is the rebuilt Stations of the Cross as the original one was
destroyed. Do you see the big rock at the top of that hill? The giant
sculture of Jesus was taken and completely destroyed (hence nothing
except a big rock there today). No one ones where they ditched that to
this day.
You also name executions and artificial starvations. All right. There
were
people executed by Stalin's government, though it's not as easy to
understand
whether starvations were artificial or it was naturally hard to supply
food in
need. But it's all nothing compared to what was developed in Russia
those days:
industrialization, railroads, television, science, hydro power plants,
nuclear
and thermonuclear physics, rocketry, which (already after Stalin's
death) leaded
us to lasers, sputnik (i.e. artificial sattelite), manned space
flight, and so
on.
--The starvations were artifical. Collectivization led to LESS food
then before.
If you were Russian, you could understand.
--Well, no. Because the Russians that do understand are the ones that
are dead!
> Hitler killed, what, 6 million people? HOLY SHIT! Mozilla.org, it's time to
> wake up and realize communism with its murderers is shameful and not artwork
> meant to be casually spewed around.
Communism is what Mozilla is, whether do you want it or or not. It's
not easy to
translate Stalin just for writing e-mail, but just trust me: Mozilla
is as
Communist as Stalin.
--Hey Mozilla people did you get this? "Mozilla is as Communist as
Stalin."
The whole idea of open source is Communist naturally:
anyone can get a copy of soft, anyone can contibute. The difference is
that
Communism will bring that sort of inter-human relations into exchange
of any
sort of things, not only software. Once nanotech robotics will make it
as easy
to copy anything else as it is software copying nowadays.
--Blah, blah, blah.
The difference between Communism and pre-communist formations is not
in killing
people. (It was not Stalin who invented and first used the A-bomb. It
is not
Stalin who makes the blood-for-oil thing against poor Iraq.) The
difference is
as plain as proprietary software and open source. Open source is
Communism.
--Actually the Russians would have loved to get their hands on them
before the Americans. The Americans used it for an evil that was the
lesser of two evils. As opposed to total war as the Soviets would have
used it for if they had the monopoly.
> It's a goddamned RUSSIAN (.ru) site.
I wonder what god or goddess you mean. Modern communists are not so
atheic as
were those of 1920s. There are more Christian temples all around in
modern
Russian - but there were some even in Stalin days of USSR.
--They were all closed. Now what good is a church that is closed? If
the ACTIVITY of the church (freedom of speech generally) cannot go on,
it is oppression.
I guess you're filled with uncontrolled fear, you are not trying even
to
understand, for yourself, what Russia is and what Soviet Union once
was. The
word "soviet" does mean "advice" or "council". So I'll give you just a
peace of
advice: leave your prejudicions somewhere and try to forget where they
were
left, not to return. Try to understand.
--Try to understand the Red Army raped it's way thru Europe and Stalin
killed millions because he is simply evil. Khruschev put down a
revolution in 1956 in Budapest and his monkey-faced (horse's ass)
successor put down one in Prague in 1968.
That splash I did was not a sign of mental fever, I had a strong
reason to make
it. Though I'm not a real member of the Communist Party of Russian
Federation,
I'll vote the Communist leader for president. He'll do better than
Putin. And,
when previous elections took place, Putin got not much more 50% while
Zuganoff
got 38% or so. Russia still has a real chance to return back to
Communism, I
hope we'll use it someday.
--Putin is a communist, LOL. He was KGB colonel. Once a communist,
most likely always a communist. If it were up to him, he would love to
go back to your the dictatorship that kills its own citizens. Here's a
site by your own countryman explaining why you (and other
seld-proclaimed communists) are morons and idiots:
http://www.podval.org/~sds/commies.html
Marek A. Stepien
> This Communist Mozilla fan is just making you all look SO BAD.
Ignore this one.
Why? A not-so-complete list of what andkon did:
http://daniel.glazman.free.fr/weblog/archived/2003_01_19_glazblogarc.html#87749828
E.g. this is a guy who claims that he wrote the following to Bjarne
Stroustrup:
"Well, nice talking to you, too bad you couldnt invent something more lame".
No more comments are necessary.
--
/home/marcoos/.signature: Permission denied.
activesp
a Mithgol splash screen. Does that mean I am a communist? I have used
Mozilla since 1.1 (now using 1.3b) and find it better than IE, cheaper
than Opera, which I found to be slow with a not very intuitive
interface. Mozilla lets me use tabbed browsing when I choose and its
free and open source. Since when does free and open source = communism?
Microsoft also is free but not open source so is that a socalist
browser? If you pay for your browser is it a better browser?
later/gcb
J.O. Aho
> Microsoft also is free but not open source so is that a socalist
> browser? If you pay for your browser is it a better browser?
I wouldn't say microsoft ie is free, they still demand that you join their
forces on their terms, as you can't choose your favorite platform to run it
on, which we luckily can do with mozilla (in worst case with some rework of
the source code).
//Aho
John Thompson
> This Communist Mozilla fan is just making you all look SO BAD.
[...]
> Well supporting a regime that killed 100 million overall is pretty
> sick.
AFAIK, Mozilla hasn't killed anyone. Any discussion of political
regimes and the horrible things they have done is off-topic here, I'm
sure.
> Hitler killed, what, 6 million people? HOLY SHIT! Mozilla.org, it's time to
Mozilla.org hasn't killed anybody, either.
Time for Godwin's Law.
<plonk>
--
-John (John.T...@attglobal.net)
andkonDOTcom
> andkonDOTcom wrote:
> > This Communist Mozilla fan is just making you all look SO BAD.
>
> Ignore this one.
>
> Why? A not-so-complete list of what andkon did:
>
> http://daniel.glazman.free.fr/weblog/archived/2003_01_19_glazblogarc.html#87749828
>
> E.g. this is a guy who claims that he wrote the following to Bjarne
> Stroustrup:
>
> "Well, nice talking to you, too bad you couldnt invent something more lame".
>
> No more comments are necessary.
Really? So a hilarious letter makes me incompetent to talk in other
areas? Well if that were the case Daniel Glazman should be out of a
job for his failure to understand WWII history.
And if you werent such a moron you would have picked upon this at
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/index.html
But let me quote since you might get lost:
---
"Guess who's an IDIOT! Mozilla's own, Glazman! Here's an email:
I SAID THIS: >Okay both [nazis and commies] started World War II and
both killed millions.
GLAZMAN WROTE AS HIS RESPONSE: Both started WWII ?!?!? I guess you say
that because of the Ribentropp secret treaty. You're the only one in
the world thinking that. You won't be a CS guy, you won't be a
journalist, and you are a very bad historian. A very very proud
imbecile.
I RESPONDED TO HIS RESPONSE: --You are a MORON, glazman. I mean the
fact that Russian troops over ran Poland. Oh yeah that. That happened
on 17 September 1939. Two days later, the two sides (communist and
nazi) shook hands and congratulated each other a job well done. Weeks
later, Poland was divided by both sides. Idiot.
GLAZMAN WROTE AS HIS RESPONSE (not to the one above, but same as
before): Forget my email please, my bayesian filter now tags you as
"spammer, move to trash".
[i wrote this on the site]: Mr. Glazman, pick up a damn history book,
look for it online, ask old people, whatever. I can't believe you,
with your assertive European arrogance, did not know communism and
nazism started World War II, directly and hand in hand."
---
Your circle logic and whatever else it might be called is false. But I
am used to all of this as majority of my responses has to be finding
fallacies in other people's incorrect "logic." Don't get mad like that
David Spade character who after being proven quite wrong, now responds
to my messages out of anger by "THIS USER IS A TROLL"[since I was
proven wrong by andkon]
BTW yes I do love my spiffy tightlocked arguments.
And BTW again, Daniel Glazman also proved to be someone who cant quote
or paraphrase very well as the page shows.
Kookbot
because you fail to grasp enlightenment.
andkonDOTcom
Opera doesnt have an intuitive interface? You mean 7.0? It's more
developer/user friendly than any Mozilla.org creation or offspring
thats for sure. It's not slower to load than Opera, it's smaller than
Opera by about 7 MB, etc. Just stop making up crap that's not true by
any means.
I never said communism = open source or vice versa or anything like
that. Since you could have that out by reading my essay, you get the
hourly andkon award. Claim it at http://www.andkon.com/award.jpg
And the rest of your post is the same illogical slanderous drivel that
I put up with on an hourly basis. No, paying doesnt make a browser
better, no free but not open source doesnt make socialist, no Mozilla
isnt communist. I dont see how anyone with a brain could assume that
from anything I write, so I am gonna have to assume (correct me if I
am wrong) that you are intentionally doing this.
I am quite frankly tired of the same trash that I have to respond to
everyday. But please try to redeem yourself: name a genre of art that
has more similarites to Mozilla.org artwork than communist artwork.
andkonDOTcom
"Favorite" platform? Which fairly land are you living in? Win/Mac
rules 95% of the world, we can debate good/bad of that but quite
frankly thats not relevant at all.
(http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html) The abysmal failure of
Mozilla can be attributed to the fact that it tries to "conquer" the
unknown/other OS "markets." I would love to claim I came up with that
on my own but he have
http://home.earthlink.net/~mozblubber2/index2.html to thank for.
Oh yes and whomever came up with post's title "Internet Explorer is as
Facist as Hitler" is quite frankly a moron. The communist sympathizers
also asserted that Mozilla is communist and will be till its death. So
stop twisting and playing around with illogical bullshit.
Kookbot
drivel is closed-minded and hurtful. Is there any doubt? I favor
consistent, enlightened tolerance, something you couldn't care less about.
andkonDOTcom
> > This Communist Mozilla fan is just making you all look SO BAD.
>
> Ignore this one.
>
> Why? A not-so-complete list of what andkon did:
>
> http://daniel.glazman.free.fr/weblog/archived/2003_01_19_glazblogarc.html#87749828
>
> E.g. this is a guy who claims that he wrote the following to Bjarne
> Stroustrup:
>
> "Well, nice talking to you, too bad you couldnt invent something more lame".
>
> No more comments are necessary.
I just figured out that you too qualify for my award:
http://www.andkon.com/award.jpg
It's not as if no one else didnt know about. My opinions on anything
isnt a big secret: including my C++ rampage/whatever. Although you
could be a super sleuth like J BEtak and pretend to be all spiffy by
knowing what is on my AIM profile. Too bad I post my AIM profile on my
website. You see, when I make a website about something (be it C++ or
Mozilla) I expect that people will read, therby it's not a secret.
I should also make a moron award, but an award is no longer special if
way too many people get it... So proudly print out your Andkon Reading
Deficiency Award and perhaps frame it.
J.O. Aho
> "Favorite" platform? Which fairly land are you living in? Win/Mac
> rules 95% of the world, we can debate good/bad of that but quite
> frankly thats not relevant at all.
It's quite relevant for the 5% that do not use Win/Mac, I frankly don't care
what Win/Mac can do and not do, as I do not use thise platforms.
> Oh yes and whomever came up with post's title "Internet Explorer is as
> Facist as Hitler" is quite frankly a moron. The communist sympathizers
> also asserted that Mozilla is communist and will be till its death. So
> stop twisting and playing around with illogical bullshit.
It's as good subject as yours. If you are so damn afraid of communists, then
go back to that dark hole somewhere in the darkest corners of USA. The
politics do not change Mozilla in any direction, if you happen to dislike a
red star, then you have the free option to release your own version of Mozilla
without the red star.
While you are whining about a red star and some hobby communists, why not
attack New Zeeland? They have a red star on their national flagg, and don't
forget Algeria, Burundi, Djibouti and Panama.
//Aho
andkonDOTcom
> andkonDOTcom wrote:
>
> > "Favorite" platform? Which fairly land are you living in? Win/Mac
> > rules 95% of the world, we can debate good/bad of that but quite
> > frankly thats not relevant at all.
>
> It's quite relevant for the 5% that do not use Win/Mac, I frankly don't care
> what Win/Mac can do and not do, as I do not use thise platforms.
>
>
> > Oh yes and whomever came up with post's title "Internet Explorer is as
> > Facist as Hitler" is quite frankly a moron. The communist sympathizers
> > also asserted that Mozilla is communist and will be till its death. So
> > stop twisting and playing around with illogical bullshit.
>
> It's as good subject as yours. If you are so damn afraid of communists, then
The subject is not good. I actually DID talk to the self-admitted
communist creator of the Mozilla/USSR/Trash imagery. This parody is
just stupid and not relevant to anything.
I'm not afraid of communism. I am sickened by its use because everyone
seems to casually spew it around without actually understanind what it
was about. But once again, thats 180 degrees from the truth. Are you
born incompetent or just pretending? Well, you get another award:
http://www.andkon.com/award.jpg
> go back to that dark hole somewhere in the darkest corners of USA. The
Contrary to popular belief Im not a right wing conspiracist. Im not
even from the USA originally, but from a communist country, Hungary.
Once again, you could have gotten that from my essays, so you get
another award, http://www.andkon.com/award.jpg (BTW, the essays are at
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/)
> politics do not change Mozilla in any direction, if you happen to dislike a
> red star, then you have the free option to release your own version of Mozilla
> without the red star.
>
Yeah, the open source drivel. Too bad apart from Netscape there only a
handful of end user products to download. Oh wait, I am in the process
of making the HAHAHA browser. You could have gotten that from my essay
on Mozilla, but thats a very detail question, so no award will be
given.
> While you are whining about a red star and some hobby communists, why not
> attack New Zeeland? They have a red star on their national flagg, and don't
> forget Algeria, Burundi, Djibouti and Panama.
>
OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY! Trifecta of the Andkon Award (actually this is
number 4 for you total, but 3 in one post)! You truly deserve another
http://www.andkon.com/award.jpg and here comes the EXACT quote to
answer you from my essay at http://www.andkon.com/stuf/mozilla3/ :
"The clear cut communist references to these are overt: the red color,
red star, factories, and the hero-workers saluting. It is not the
individual elements that comprise the communist imagery, it is all the
elements combined. In other words, a star by itself does not speak of
communism. In fact, the well-known communist star was reputed to have
been stolen from the American icon. Factories do not speak of
communism. Neither does the color red speak of communism. However,
when fused together, these three elements do become a clear
representation of communism. After all, it is this same type of kitsch
artwork that was used during Stalin's regime. I can only guess as to
the reasons why Mozilla chooses to have this artwork. However, I am
absolutely certain that using communism, the longest-reigning icon of
tyranny and oppression in the 20th century (and continuing strong into
the 21st), as symbolic of some other "higher" meaning is morally
irresponsible and foremost historically incorrect."
(The funny thing is that it was still selected from another copy and
paste award getter, so i didnt even have to open new page!)
andkonDOTcom
> In article <fda8b19c.03030...@posting.google.com>, andkonDOTcom wrote:
>
> > This Communist Mozilla fan is just making you all look SO BAD.
>
> [...]
>
> > Well supporting a regime that killed 100 million overall is pretty
> > sick.
>
> AFAIK, Mozilla hasn't killed anyone. Any discussion of political
> regimes and the horrible things they have done is off-topic here, I'm
> sure.
>
> > Hitler killed, what, 6 million people? HOLY SHIT! Mozilla.org, it's time to
>
> Mozilla.org hasn't killed anybody, either.
>
WEll then I'm sure you'll just love using the images from
http://www.andkon.com/stuf/mozillapics/
> Time for Godwin's Law.
>
> <plonk>
Actually you completely misunderstood Godwin's law.