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Aleksandr Timofeev

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Jan 10, 2002, 8:52:41 AM1/10/02
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> A Gravity Experiment Between Commensurable Masses
>
> Authors: D. Sarkadi & L. Bodonyi
> Research Centre of Fundamental Physics


> Abstract –
>
> The gravitational constant G is the least-well measured fundamental
> constant in nature.
>
> Several recent determinations have not reduced the uncertainty
> and some measurements are in severe disagreement with the accepted value.
>
> Among others, the most common characteristic of the performed experiments
> lies in the fact that the "source" masses of the measured gravitational
> field are much larger then the "test" masses. So far in the related
> literature we have not found the determination of G in the case of
> interaction between commensurable masses. Over the last few years, a
> very simple but highly sensitive experiment has been developed for
> investigating gravity by using relatively large physical pendulums.
> This new measuring system has been useful for finding the gravitational
> interaction between equal or nearly equal size masses. From such
> experiments it has become obvious that there is a strong dependence of
> gravitational attraction on the mass ratio of interactive bodies.
> We have observed a well-defined minimum in the gravitational interaction
> energy in case of equal size of masses.

Read complete text:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/3-6/Grav-pub.htm

The Nature realized idea of the given experiment in the Solar system:

THE SYMMETRY INSIDE THE SOLAR SYSTEM
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=3B36EEFB%40MailAndNews.com

Gravitational mass - some properties
http://www.friends-partners.org/~russeds/unknown/astrochem/

Uncle Al

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Jan 11, 2002, 12:16:43 PM1/11/02
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Aleksandr Timofeev wrote:
>
> > A Gravity Experiment Between Commensurable Masses
> >
> > Authors: D. Sarkadi & L. Bodonyi
> > Research Centre of Fundamental Physics
>
> > Abstract –
> >
> > The gravitational constant G is the least-well measured fundamental
> > constant in nature.
> >
> > Several recent determinations have not reduced the uncertainty
> > and some measurements are in severe disagreement with the accepted value.

TILT.

http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gconst.html
and succeeding publications by that grup.

Riley Newman repeated the experiment at 2 K. Same results.

[snip]

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Jan 12, 2002, 12:38:59 AM1/12/02
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I'll consider this worthy of reading when you publish it
in a peer reviewed journal.

John Anderson

Aleksandr Timofeev

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Jan 12, 2002, 8:54:49 AM1/12/02
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Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3C3F1DFF...@hate.spam.net>...

> Aleksandr Timofeev wrote:
> >
> > > A Gravity Experiment Between Commensurable Masses
> > >
> > > Authors: D. Sarkadi & L. Bodonyi
> > > Research Centre of Fundamental Physics
>
> > > Abstract –
> > >
> > > The gravitational constant G is the least-well measured fundamental
> > > constant in nature.
> > >
> > > Several recent determinations have not reduced the uncertainty
> > > and some measurements are in severe disagreement with the accepted value.
>
> TILT.

group Research Centre of Fundamental Physics:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/3-6/Grav-pub.htm

group the University of Washington and the Seattle researchers:
http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gconst.html

You have failed to seize an essence of distinctions in the
theoretical approaches to the schemas of realization of experiment
between two groups of the experimenters - group the University of
Washington,the Seattle researchers and group Research Centre of
Fundamental Physics.

1. Both groups of the experimenters utillize for a long time known
principle of the parametrical generator of mechanical oscillations.

2. Advantage of the schema of group the University of Washington
and the Seattle researchers is the application of a "zero" or
"compensating" method of measurements.
The "zero" or "compensating" method of measurements was invented
by A. Becquerel (1788-1878).
In the schema of experiment of the group Research Centre of Fundamental
Physics the "compensating" method of measurements is not utilised.
It is the large lack.

3. Absolutely new idea of the schema of experiment of the group
Research Centre of Fundamental Physics is the introduction
" of commensurable masses ". The clear understanding of influence
" commensurabilities of interreacting masses " on outcomes of
experiment is _an_ _absolutely_ _new_ _theoretical_ _hypothesis_.
This hypothesis has confirmation in my analysis of symmetries
of solar system:

SYMMETRIES INSIDE SOLAR SYSTEM
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=3B36EEFB%40MailAndNews.com

=====================================================================
It is the apparent fact, that the group the University of
Washington and the Seattle researchers adheres to a theoretical
hypothesis of independence of outcomes of experiment from
" commensurabilities of interreacting masses " and values of
interreacting masses.
=====================================================================

>
> http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gconst.html
> and succeeding publications by that grup.
>

^ Jens Gundlach, Eric Adelberger, and Blayne Heckel from the
^ University of Washington E?t-Wash research group have pioneered
^ a method that elegantly sidesteps these uncertainties.
^ They noted that if the usual dumbbell is replaced by a thin,
^ flat plate hung by its edge, neither the pendulum's dimensions
^ nor its density distribution have to be known with very high
^ precision. In principle, one can obtain G by measuring the angular
^ acceleration of a flat pendulum without even knowing its mass or
^ dimensions. This simple fact had not been recognized in 200 years
^ of gravitational experiments! The Seattle researchers eliminate
^ the problems with the torsion fiber by placing the torsion balance
^ on a turntable that continuously rotates between a set of attracting
^ bodies. The turntable is controlled by a feedback loop that speeds
^ it up or slows it down so that the suspension fiber never has to
^ twist; G can then be accurately inferred from the rotation rate
^ of the turntable. This new method uses eight, rather than two,
^ attracting bodies and these are strategically placed on a second
^ turntable that rotates in the opposite sense from the first
^ turntable. This novel technique is discussed in the July 15 issue
^ of Physical Review D.


> Riley Newman repeated the experiment at 2 K. Same results.
>

They have repeated experiment utillizing the same theoretical ideas,
for this reason their outcomes have coincided.

Let now they will change the schema of experiment with the account
" commensurabilities of values of interreacting masses ".

> [snip]

---
Aleksandr Timofeev

Aleksandr Timofeev

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Jan 17, 2002, 9:06:52 AM1/17/02
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Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3C3F1DFF...@hate.spam.net>...
> Aleksandr Timofeev wrote:
> >
> > > A Gravity Experiment Between Commensurable Masses
> > >
> > > Authors: D. Sarkadi & L. Bodonyi
> > > Research Centre of Fundamental Physics

Read complete text:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/3-6/Grav-pub.htm

>

> > > Abstract –
> > >
> > > The gravitational constant G is the least-well measured fundamental
> > > constant in nature.
> > >
> > > Several recent determinations have not reduced the uncertainty
> > > and some measurements are in severe disagreement with the accepted value.
>
> TILT.
>
> http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gconst.html
> and succeeding publications by that grup.
>
> Riley Newman repeated the experiment at 2 K. Same results.
>
> [snip]

What are the implications if the equivalence principle fails for
groups of chiral gravitational masses?

I am irrefutable has proved violation of equivalence principle ...
in this case for solar system. ;-)))

See:

Aleksandr Timofeev

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Jan 24, 2002, 11:15:07 AM1/24/02
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Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3C3F1DFF...@hate.spam.net>...
> Aleksandr Timofeev wrote:
> >
> > > A Gravity Experiment Between Commensurable Masses
> > >
> > > Authors: D. Sarkadi & L. Bodonyi
> > > Research Centre of Fundamental Physics
> > > Abstract –
> > >
> > > The gravitational constant G is the least-well measured fundamental
> > > constant in nature.
> > >
> > > Several recent determinations have not reduced the uncertainty
> > > and some measurements are in severe disagreement with the accepted value.
>
> TILT.

===============================================================
Ignore, Top Secret, Eyes Only, Do Not copy, Burn before Reading

Experimental refutation of the equivalence principle!!!
===============================================================

1 - group Research Centre of Fundamental Physics:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/3-6/Grav-pub.htm

2 - group the University of Washington and the Seattle researchers:
http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gconst.html

You have failed to seize an essence of distinctions in the
theoretical approaches to the schemas of realization of experiment
between two groups of the experimenters - group the University of
Washington,the Seattle researchers and group Research Centre of
Fundamental Physics.

1. Both groups of the experimenters utillize for a long time known
principle of the parametrical generator of mechanical oscillations.

2. Advantage of the schema of group the University of Washington
and the Seattle researchers is the application of a "zero" or
"compensating" method of measurements.
The "zero" or "compensating" method of measurements was invented
by A. Becquerel (1788-1878).
In the schema of experiment of the group Research Centre of Fundamental
Physics the "compensating" method of measurements is not utilised.
It is the large lack.

3. Absolutely new idea of the schema of experiment of the group
Research Centre of Fundamental Physics is the introduction
" of commensurable masses ". The clear understanding of influence
" commensurabilities of interreacting masses " on outcomes of
experiment is _an_ _absolutely_ _new_ _theoretical_ _hypothesis_.
This hypothesis has confirmation in my analysis of symmetries
of solar system:

SYMMETRIES INSIDE SOLAR SYSTEM
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=3B36EEFB%40MailAndNews.com

=====================================================================
It is the apparent fact, that the group the University of
Washington and the Seattle researchers adheres to a theoretical
hypothesis of independence of outcomes of experiment from
" commensurabilities of interreacting masses " and values of
interreacting masses.
=====================================================================

>

> http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/gconst.html
> and succeeding publications by that grup.
>

^ Jens Gundlach, Eric Adelberger, and Blayne Heckel from the

^ University of Washington E?t-Wash research group have pioneered
^ a method that elegantly sidesteps these uncertainties.
^ They noted that if the usual dumbbell is replaced by a thin,
^ flat plate hung by its edge, neither the pendulum's dimensions
^ nor its density distribution have to be known with very high
^ precision. In principle, one can obtain G by measuring the angular
^ acceleration of a flat pendulum without even knowing its mass or
^ dimensions. This simple fact had not been recognized in 200 years
^ of gravitational experiments! The Seattle researchers eliminate
^ the problems with the torsion fiber by placing the torsion balance
^ on a turntable that continuously rotates between a set of attracting
^ bodies. The turntable is controlled by a feedback loop that speeds
^ it up or slows it down so that the suspension fiber never has to
^ twist; G can then be accurately inferred from the rotation rate
^ of the turntable. This new method uses eight, rather than two,
^ attracting bodies and these are strategically placed on a second
^ turntable that rotates in the opposite sense from the first
^ turntable. This novel technique is discussed in the July 15 issue
^ of Physical Review D.

> Riley Newman repeated the experiment at 2 K. Same results.
>

They have repeated experiment utillizing the same theoretical ideas,

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