[RFD] UDP proposal: NEWS.PACBELL.NET and NNRP[1-5].SBC.NET (Pacific Bell Internet Services): A Request for Remedial Action
David Ritz
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This Request For Discussion comes after much consideration and
significant effort on my part and the part of others to avoid
this action. Unfortunately, I feel the options have been
exhausted. As always, it is my hope that the reasons for
remedial action may be adequately addressed, in order to prevent
any UDP action.
While lines of communication exist, response is slow. Based on
information provided to me three weeks ago, I refrained from
making this proposal, under the assumption that the Pacbell
servers would already be off-line. The scheduled migration of
Pacbell's news services to Prodigy has been delayed and will not
be happening for from two (2) to four (4) weeks.
Over the past forty five (45) days, a daily average of 16,504
articles, out of 20,147 posted to NEWS.PACBELL.NET, have been
tagged as spam, as indicated in the daily Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
reports.
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Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
See news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins
Ultra Hippo - Top 100 Spam News Sites <http://www.spamhippo.com/>
Date n/100 Source POSTs spam %spam KBytes
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2001.07.16 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 31248 28202 90 71621
2001.07.17 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 24739 21759 88 67535
2001.07.18 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 40392 38494 95 105575
2001.07.19 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 22914 19767 86 98703
2001.07.20 4 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 16473 9909 60 127573
2001.07.21 7 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 8727 5821 67 203303
2001.07.22 6 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 10431 8220 79 356514
2001.07.23 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 26436 19602 74 126486
2001.07.24 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 20850 14319 69 77222
2001.07.25 6 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 6543 4254 65 25473
2001.07.26 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 26268 26268 100 116504
2001.07.27 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 21796 20712 95 63601
2001.07.28 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 16648 15314 92 266541
2001.07.29 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 8711 6444 74 63764
2001.07.30 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 15649 14980 96 56976
2001.07.31 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 10916 9212 84 59449
2001.08.01 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 12631 11297 89 62841
2001.08.02 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 20984 17226 82 143393
2001.08.03 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 14118 14118 100 78142
2001.08.04 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 17967 11867 66 52304
2001.08.05 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 12447 10072 81 85912
2001.08.06 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 13127 10740 82 70552
2001.08.07 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 15548 12944 83 79928
2001.08.08 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 11211 9408 84 57324
2001.08.09 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 15572 14374 92 533720
2001.08.10 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 15721 13646 87 120923
2001.08.11 4 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 11543 5344 46 18342
2001.08.12 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 27430 25017 91 158852
2001.08.13 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 12169 9604 79 57699
2001.08.14 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 36751 32330 88 72367
2001.08.15 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 73173 59399 81 165859
2001.08.16 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 23752 18268 77 137446
2001.08.17 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 17616 14834 84 31508
2001.08.18 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 15743 11848 75 48749
2001.08.19 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 18343 13163 72 40359
2001.08.20 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 17142 12267 72 45867
2001.08.21 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 33103 28951 87 68867
2001.08.22 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 18999 14704 77 67659
2001.08.23 6 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 8489 3493 41 23207
2001.08.24 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 13365 10684 80 19919
2001.08.25 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 13121 9466 72 53910
2001.08.26 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 11265 5288 47 15635
2001.08.27 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 28900 24507 85 49978
2001.08.28 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 38195 27700 73 63325
2001.08.29 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 29439 26847 91 64790
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TOTAL news.pacbell.net.POSTED 906605 742683 4376217
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AVERAGE 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 20147 16504 82 97249
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Similarly, then misnamed NNRP[1-5]-W.SBC.NET servers have the same
problems shown above. NNRP5-W.SBC.NET has also appeared in the
Hippo statistics on 42 of the past 45 days, placing as high as #2
on the list, 29 August 2001. See
<http://howardk.moonfall.com/msgid.cgi?ID=99920600200>.
> From: spam...@spamhippo.com (Spam Hippo)
> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins
> Subject: Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam Aug 29, 01
> Date: 30 Aug 2001 00:06:28 -0700
> Message-ID: <9mkolk$1fi6$1...@news.newsguy.com>
[snip]
> Ultra Hippo - Top 100 Spam News Sites - 8/29/2001
> These listings are hyperlinked for spam detail at http://www.spamhippo.com
> Total Spam %Spam KBytes
> 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 29439 26847 91 64790
> 2 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 9401 7659 81 21423
Over the past 45 days, the Hippo stats indicate the output from
the NNRP[1-5]-W.SBC.NET machines gets tagged as spam 68% of the
time. When both the "SBC.NET" and NEWS.PACBELL.NET are taken as
a whole, 840,247 spammed articles or 80% have been dropped, by
Hippo's filtering, out of 1,050,110 articles posted, from 16 July
2001, through 28 August 2001.
Virtually all of this spam has originated outside of Pacbell's
net-space. While these servers all require authentication,
Pacbell has been unable to identify a single offending account,
let alone LART them into oblivion.
Full statistics, for the calendar year 2001, through 29 August,
are available on request. The following summary indicates that
at least some of the problems noted, are long term, ongoing and
getting worse.
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Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
Ultra Hippo - Top 100 Spam News Sites
See <http://www.spamhippo.com>
Year n/100 Source Total spam %spam Kbytes
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2001
TOTAL news.pacbell.net.POSTED 2177925 1566164 11983091
AVERAGE 31 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 9469 6809 72 52100
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The past three months' performance has skewed the year's stats
significantly. Prior to July, only an average of 785 out of 2933
daily posts, or 27%, were being tagged as spam. Here is the
breakdown, by month, since the beginning of June, 2001, when
thing started getting desperately out of hand.
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Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
Ultra Hippo - Top 100 Spam News Sites
See <http://www.spamhippo.com>
Month n/100 Source Total spam %spam Kbytes
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2001.06
TOTAL news.pacbell.net.POSTED 618184 510186 83 2048076
AVERAGE 6 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 20606 17006 83 68269
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2001.07
TOTAL news.pacbell.net.POSTED 548275 465842 85 2730407
AVERAGE 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 18276 15528 85 91014
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2001.08
TOTAL news.pacbell.net.POSTED 597864 479406 80 2489377
AVERAGE 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 20616 16531 80 85841
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Month n/100 Source Total spam %spam Kbytes
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Newspeers
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<http://tfeed.maxwell.syr.edu:8080/proc/peers/GetPeers/news.pacbell.net.POSTED>
Known incoming feeds(1) Path stamp Known outgoing (3)
ssg.uncanny.net 159 1 450368
news.pacbell.net.POSTED
159 2 450368.0 206.13.28.144 94 2 257104
206.13.28.33 72 2 197456
206.13.28.143 63 2 169360
159 229
<http://tfeed.maxwell.syr.edu:8080/proc/peers/GetPeers/cyclone-sf.pbi.net>
Known incoming feeds(13) Path stamp Known outgoing (14)
206.13.28.143 16212 1 20419024
206.13.28.144 4574 1 8369120
206.13.28.33 4223 1 8026512
206.13.28.183 2990 1 5378080
209.233.201.34 1550 1 3634384
165.113.238.17 865 3 2033088
151.164.30.35 425 2 1180048
216.166.61.5 219 6 613552
209.10.34.151 197 15 416448
63.208.208.143 98 8 208320
64.42.15.2 36 4 77008
209.81.14.120 18 5 38288
13.1.103.31 15 1 29744
cyclone-sf.pbi.net 31422 2 50423616.0
newsfeed.sjc.globix.net 12823 3 18115632
nntp.giganews.com 7536 3 10030880
feed1.onemain.com 1991 3 5300496
news-in-la.newsfeeds.com 1949 3 3220016
lotsanews.com 1832 3 3098672
feeder.via.net 1584 3 3671248
news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com 1457 3 2609824
news-in-austin 896 3 1244544
supernews.com 879 3 2262144
newsfeeds.com 304 3 590864
cyclone.swbell.net 95 3 180144
open-news.pacbell.net 69 10 138640
nnrp5-w.sbc.net 25 3 43232
206.13.28.124 2 19 2992
31422 31442
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Proposal
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Proposed: a two phase Usenet Death Penalty of NEWS.PACBELL.NET
1) a full passive UDP; shunning or Path aliasing
"news.pacbell.net.POSTED" and "nnrp[1-5].sbc.net.POSTED".
<aside>
It is my understanding that Supernews and Veiro have already
begun refusing to transit articles identified with these path
stamps.
</aside>
2) a full active UDP; cancelling all Usenet posts showing
"news.pacbell.net.POSTED" and "nnrp[1-5].sbc.net.POSTED",
by Path stamp.
This proposed UDP action is a boycott and will in no way impinge
upon any service for which the users of Pacific Bell Internet
Services are paying. These users will be able to continue
posting and reading news, just as they are. The only effect
would be on where articles posted to NEWS.PACBELL.NET appear,
beyond Pacific Bell Internet Services' borders.
Please see:
"Usenet Death Penalty FAQ"
<http://www.stopspam.org/usenet/faqs/udp.html>
"Spam Glossary" <http://www.rahul.net/falk/glossary.html#udp>
"Net Abuse FAQ"
<http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#3.19>.
Should an UDP be called, the standard five business day notice
will be provided, so that the UDP target can take whatever
necessary action to alleviate the need for moving to the
enforcement stage of the called UDP.
As with any announced UDP action, all resources will be made
available to the target ISP, in an attempt to limit the necessity
for such drastic steps being taken. It is truly unfortunate that
it has come to this action of last resort.
Respectfully submitted, 30 August 2001.
- --
David Ritz <dr...@suespammers.org>
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not
send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my
suespammers.org address.
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Holmey
One does not have to call 'Miss Cleo' on this one. I predict that Pacbell will
do nothing (as they have always done) and totally ignore the UDP if one is
called.</Fake Jamacian accent off>
Just playing/posting in alt.online-service.pacbell you realize that their own
subscribers have nothing terribly good to say about them, all are aware that
some newservers have already aliased pacbell, the pacbell usenet readers that
most often post are posting from paid usenet servers.
Personally I think that you could call for a UDP with only a 1 business day
response, and if you were lucky enough to get a 'trouble ticket number' it
would end up in the bit bucket.
UDP their silly asses, Steve (Reptile) Repsis needs to go back to Ameritech
for a month or so anyhow <LOL>
Holmey
ATTN Spambots- Be sure and remove the DONOTREPLY before adding me to your
list. <hehehe>
Craig S.
<Hol...@DONOTREPLYswbell.net> wrote:
>UDP their silly asses, Steve (Reptile) Repsis needs to go back to Ameritech
>for a month or so anyhow <LOL>
For what it's worth, Ameritech does not offer usenet service anymore.
SBC, Ameritech's owner or whatever, has an agreement with Prodigy. I
am an Ameritech DSL subscriber. I had to change Agen't settings from
an ameritech newsserver to a sbc newsserver, and when I view the
headers of my posts, they say Prodigy. Go figure.
remove .nuxx to reply by email
Jenn
it should be done. Atleast it will provoke to ire of their customers many
of whom are paying for premium dsl services.
"Holmey" <Hol...@DONOTREPLYswbell.net> wrote in message
news:BrBj7.1758$O37.33...@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
those who know me have no need of my name
>One does not have to call 'Miss Cleo' on this one. I predict that Pacbell wil
>l
>do nothing (as they have always done) and totally ignore the UDP if one is
>called.</Fake Jamacian accent off>
in fact i suspect they'll use it as an excuse to withdraw all usenet
service to customers, though it might take a few years to percolate
through the telco mindset.
unfortunately prodigy internet, which i see you are using, is now owned
(40% or more) by sbc, so i predict sad times for you and yours. (and if
not happy times for my lawyers.)
--
okay, have a sig then
those who know me have no need of my name
>For what it's worth, Ameritech does not offer usenet service anymore.
it does, it's just handled by an "alliance" between sbc and prodigy
internet. see <http://www.sbc.com/Prodigy/> for more information.
Jenn
"those who know me have no need of my name" <not-a-rea...@usa.net>
wrote in message news:totqur8...@news.supernews.com...
If i were one of there customers I would post through google to stop the
spam, and if they won't provide usenet, they are going to lose customers, it
is as simple as that. They are a shitty service.
Craig S.
That's pretty much what I said.
sucker
wrote:
>...
> Proposed: a two phase Usenet Death Penalty of NEWS.PACBELL.NET
>...
Shouldn't the news mafia be fired ?
What's it gonna take ? Think about it ;)
Rebecca Ore
Unfortunately, we don't have a direct influence over Concentric and
PacBell, so we can't fire their News Mafia which appears to have links
to organized scamming. This is the best we can do.
None of this will affect your use of Pacbell on their own servers.
--
Rebecca Ore
those who know me have no need of my name
>if they won't provide usenet, they are going to lose customers, it
>is as simple as that. They are a shitty service.
only 5% (or less) of their customers even know it exists, and while that
could be a significant loss it's unlikely that all of them would leave
if such a thing happened, so they might chance it.
Eschasi
--
"I don't like being quoted."
-- anonymous
Flagship1 of the Paranormal
nternet Services): A Request for Remedial Action
Try DISorganized Spamming, LOL:)
> --
> Rebecca Ore
--
Flagship1 of the Paranormal - Posting to Usenet since July-15-1997.
"With the 2001 officialization of this great new millennium, it has
been shown that the paranormal is mostly what common science has yet
to discover. This is where many skeptics seem to be missing my point."
Official Website -----> http://www.flagship1.com
Official Newsgroup ---> alt.paranormal
Official Usenet ID ---> paran...@flagship1.com
Jenn
They might, the might not, that is the chance you take any time you do this.
If we aren't willing to take that chance they will all start spamming us.
Either way there are other services people can use, that don't spam.
Jenn
does it mean thumbs down to the proposed UDP?
"Eschasi" <esc...@nospam.here.thanks> wrote in message
news:3b8fc970$0$14...@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net...
Jenn
If i were one of there customers I would post through google to stop the
spam, and if they won't provide usenet, they are going to lose customers, it
is as simple as that. They are a shitty service.
>
> --
> okay, have a sig then
========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======:
Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsengine.sol.net!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!novia!novia!nntp3.cerf.net!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: "Jenn" <moon...@mailandnews.copyright2001allrightsreserved!> <unk...@unknown.site>
Control: cancel <99Cj7.4702$151.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: cmsg cancel <99Cj7.4702$151.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,news.admin.technical
Message-ID: <64Au1.2387...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Lines: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:02:32 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.154.183
X-Complaints-To: ab...@rr.com
X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 999280952 24.27.154.183 (Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:02:32 CDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:02:32 CDT
<99Cj7.4702$151.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
those who know me have no need of my name
>if they won't provide usenet, they are going to lose customers, it
>is as simple as that. They are a shitty service.
only 5% (or less) of their customers even know it exists, and while that
could be a significant loss it's unlikely that all of them would leave
if such a thing happened, so they might chance it.
--
okay, have a sig then
========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======:
Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsengine.sol.net!206.55.64.81.MISMATCH!newsfeeds.sol.net!nntp.twtelecom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!novia!novia!nntp3.cerf.net!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!cyclone3.kc.rr.com!news3.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: those who know me have no need of my name <not-a-rea...@usa.net>
Control: cancel <tovg7n6...@news.supernews.com>
Subject: cmsg cancel <tovg7n6...@news.supernews.com>
Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,news.admin.technical
Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com
Message-ID: <vehm7c5...@news.supernews.com>
Lines: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:59:20 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.154.183
X-Complaints-To: ab...@rr.com
X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 999280760 24.27.154.183 (Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:59:20 CDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:59:20 CDT
David Ritz
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Over the past several months, Pacific Bell Internet Services has
been the source of vast quantities of Usenet spam. Despite
countless complaints, reports, and phone calls, Pacific Bell
Internet Services seems unwilling to take the necessary proactive
steps to curb this ongoing abuse. By June, 2001, the situation
reached and maintained unconscionable levels of abuse.
Currently there is still a huge volume of EMP spam originating
from Pacific Bell Internet Services news servers, NEWS.PACBELL.NET
and the misnamed NNRP[1-5]-W.SBC.NET machines.
<aside>
The machines stamping NNRP[1-5]-W.SBC.NET are in reality
NNRP[1-5]-W.SNFC21.PBI.NET. SBC.NET is the Executive Committee
Southern Baptist Convention (SBC11-DOM) and has no relationship to
Pacific Bell Internet Services. Pacific Bell appears to be too
busy to have addressed this problem, ever since these machines
began stamping SBC.NET, no later than August, 2000(!).
</aside>
Here is how things have been going, since the RFD was posted on 30
August 2001. See <news:dritz-290342....@dosa.alt.net>
(<http://howardk.moonfall.com/msgid.cgi?ID=99922790200>).
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Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
See news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins
Ultra Hippo - Top 100 Spam News Sites <http://www.spamhippo.com/>
Date n/100 Source Total spam %spam KBytes
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2001.08.30 1 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 45227 42701 94 96287
2001.08.31 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 12231 7328 60 105707
2001.09.01 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 14250 9807 69 22479
2001.09.02 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 11882 9014 76 22669
2001.09.03 2 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 10793 3846 36 12611
2001.09.04 6 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 9522 4106 43 9655
2001.09.05 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 9029 7951 88 31881
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TOTAL news.pacbell.net.POSTED 112934 84753 75 301289
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AVERAGE 3 news.pacbell.net.POSTED 16133 12108 75 43041
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Date n/100 Source Total spam %spam KBytes
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2001.08.30 2 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 10976 9869 90 20232
2001.08.31 29 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 2661 658 25 29709
2001.09.01 14 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 2534 1640 65 2472
2001.09.02 25 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 2455 957 39 2096
2001.09.03 1 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 6197 4396 71 7708
2001.09.04 23 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 2819 930 33 1623
2001.09.05 8 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 7735 3741 48 5670
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TOTAL nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 35377 22191 63 69510
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AVERAGE 15 nnrp5-w.sbc.net.POSTED 5054 3170 63 9930
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This is simply unacceptable.
================================UDP NOTICE===============================
Because of the limited response to serious ongoing problems, even
when they have been pointed out repeatedly, a full active Usenet
Death Penalty targeting Pacific Bell Internet Services will go
into effect at the close of business, on Thursday, 13 September
2001 17:00 PDT, (14 Sep 2001 00:00:00 GMT).
Please see:
"Usenet Death Penalty FAQ"
<http://www.stopspam.org/usenet/faqs/udp.html>
"The Cancel FAQ"
<http://www.killfile.org/faqs/cancel.html#VIII.D.>
"Spam Glossary"
<http://www.rahul.net/falk/glossary.html#udp>
"Net Abuse FAQ"
<http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#3.19>.
It is sincerely hoped that Pacific Bell Internet Services will
take appropriate measures to stem the flow of abuse from their
network before this time. Any assistance which they may require
will be gladly provided.
Should this action become unavoidable, sites not wishing to
participate may alias out the pseudosite Path stamp, "pbiudp".
Sites not wishing to participate in any active UDP may alias out
the pseudosite Path stamp, "udpcancel".
- --
David Ritz <dr...@suespammers.org>
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not
send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my
suespammers.org address.
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those who know me have no need of my name
<nanab.dritz-C1C2...@news.supernews.com> divulged:
><aside>
> The machines stamping NNRP[1-5]-W.SBC.NET are in reality
> NNRP[1-5]-W.SNFC21.PBI.NET.
actually they are nnrp\d-adm.rcsntx.swbell.net.
> Because of the limited response to serious ongoing problems, even
> when they have been pointed out repeatedly, a full active Usenet
> Death Penalty targeting Pacific Bell Internet Services will go
> into effect at the close of business, on Thursday, 13 September
> 2001 17:00 PDT, (14 Sep 2001 00:00:00 GMT).
sbc made an alliance with prodigy such that prodigy internet would be
the internet services provider for it's residential customers (dial-up
and adsl) while it continued to provide adsl and basic ip connectivity.
(you can read about it at <http://www.sbc.com/Prodigy/>.)
due to this i hope you wrote to tom or bill over at prodigy since they
now control the news servers, hence they should be able to take direct
action, but at the least they should be able to bring pressure to bear
or open a better communications (side-)channel.
David Ritz
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Posted and mailed.
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alt.online-service.pacbell and pbinet.general.
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In article <dritz-C1C25E....@news.supernews.com>,
David Ritz <dr...@suespammers.org> wrote:
DR> Because of the limited response to serious ongoing problems,
DR> even when they have been pointed out repeatedly, a full active
DR> Usenet Death Penalty targeting Pacific Bell Internet Services
DR> will go into effect at the close of business, on Thursday, 13
DR> September 2001 17:00 PDT, (14 Sep 2001 00:00:00 GMT).
Due to world events, the deadline for compliance with this UDP
notice is being extended by forty eight (48) business hours. The
new deadline is Monday, 17 September 2001 17:00 PDT (18 Sep 2001
00:00 GMT).
Also note, there has been no request for this extension.
- --
David Ritz <dr...@suespammers.org>
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not
send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my
suespammers.org address.
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Jeffery J. Leader
wrote:
> Due to world events, the deadline for compliance with this UDP
> notice is being extended by forty eight (48) business hours.
This was definitely the right move.
> Also note, there has been no request for this extension.
As always David is being serious and professional in these matters.
Thanks David.
Howard Knight
David and I discussed this earlier this morning, and I also thought it
was a good idea. Most of us here in the US were too stunned to get much
work done yesterday. Or even today. Hell, even most of the spammers
took the day off to watch the news! (Except for Tom "the Un-Patriotic
Fuckwad Thief" Saylor.)
It seems fair to me to give them one more business day.
Howard
PS: I sent a spam report to Pacbell today (Wednesday) regarding the
"www.Dollar99xxx.com" spam. The account was promptly nuked. It looks
like the message is getting through. :-)
David Ritz
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I would like to personally thank the technicians, administrators
and managers at all levels of Pacific Bell Internet Services and
Prodigy Communications, who put forth the effort in addressing
long standing net-abuse issues, with respect to the enormous
volume of Usenet spam coming from their network.
As of 30 August 2001, when the Request For Discussion was posted,
news.pacbell.net had averaged 16,504 articles dropped as spam,
daily, for the previous forty five (45) days, per the Ultra/Spam
Hippo Despam statistics. In the week between the posting of the
RFD and the issuance of the Usenet Death Penalty notice, this
server was still averaging 12,108 spammed articles, daily. The
last time any PacBell server appeared in these statistics was 12
September 2001, one day prior to the original deadline date, when
news.pacbell.net.POSTED was listed at #80 in the Hippo Top 100
Spam News Sites, with just 187 items dropped as spam.
Please note, it appears that PacBell met the original UDP
deadline, of Thursday, 13 September 2001 17:00 PDT, (14 Sep 2001
00:00:00 GMT), without the extension.
It is sincerely hoped that Pacific Bell Internet Services will
continue be a conscientious and trusted member of the Usenet
community.
- --
David Ritz <dr...@suespammers.org>
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not
send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my
suespammers.org address.
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Eschasi
congratulations on their getting it done before the UDP went into
place.
If only they'd not forced this out to the last possible instant.
--
``Once it becomes clear that the ends and the means are indistinguishable,
many difficult questions turn out not have been questions at all, merely
confusion on the part of the questioner.''
Howard Knight
> I would like to personally thank the technicians, administrators
> and managers...
And I would like to thank you for all the hard work and research you've
done. Thanks David.
Howard
Sherilyn
--
Sherilynsend me unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail.
nucleus
<dr...@suespammers.org> wrote:
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PGP signed messages?
For what?
Are you a secret, military organization?
Do you represent the official position of any
government or organization?
Or are you simply an obscessed megalomaniac,
thinking your totalitarian virtual terrorism tendencies
are worth more than the paper they are written on?
>This message is being sent, bcc, to a few interested parties.
INTERESTED parties?
And you are YOU?
>Posted and mailed.
>
>Posted to news.admin.net-abuse.policy, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
>news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins, news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
>alt.online-service.pacbell and pbinet.general.
>
>Please direct follow ups to news.admin.net-abuse.policy. Please see
><http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/nanap-charter.html> prior to
>posting to this moderated newsgroup.
>
>========================================================================
>
> I would like to personally thank the technicians, administrators
> and managers at all levels of Pacific Bell Internet Services and
> Prodigy Communications, who put forth the effort in addressing
> long standing net-abuse issues, with respect to the enormous
> volume of Usenet spam coming from their network.
First of all, who do you think you are?
WHO do you represent?
WHO appointed you?
WHO elected you?
You PERSONALLY?
Are you the head of this virtual terrorism organization,
terrorising the usenet for years now, imposing your own
version of totalitarian dictate upon all under the pretense
that you are protecting "freedom" and democracy?
> As of 30 August 2001, when the Request For Discussion was posted,
> news.pacbell.net had averaged 16,504 articles dropped as spam,
As interpreted by whom?
You mea you, virtual terrorists, interested in promoting your own
agenda and getting famous, skimming this virtual pie of the
usenet?
> daily, for the previous forty five (45) days, per the Ultra/Spam
> Hippo Despam statistics.
This whole spam scam is just that, a scam.
The self-appointed groups of virtual terrorists, using the
facilities of their employers, some of which are some of the
largest providers under the sun, being totally uncreative of
doing anything constructive, jumped upon this virtual world
of usenet for the purpose of self promotion, hoping to capitalize
on dominating the information stream and imposing their own
self-invented version of democracy upon all.
These vigilantes, operating TOTALLY outside the scope of the law,
routinely destroying tens of thousands of articles per day,
using the tools, means and tactics of electronic warfare,
even have guts to pose as some kind of "official" representatives
of usenet.
These perverts and pathological liars, filled upto their ears
with the ideas of violence and destruction, impose their most
corrupt version of totalitarian dictatorship, abusing any and
all freedoms and Basic Human Rights.
One more time: You are but criminals and your place is behind
the bars. You are not representing ANYONE but yourselves.
> In the week between the posting of the
> RFD and the issuance of the Usenet Death Penalty notice, this
> server was still averaging 12,108 spammed articles, daily. The
> last time any PacBell server appeared in these statistics was 12
> September 2001, one day prior to the original deadline date, when
> news.pacbell.net.POSTED was listed at #80 in the Hippo Top 100
> Spam News Sites, with just 187 items dropped as spam.
> Please note, it appears that PacBell met the original UDP
> deadline, of Thursday, 13 September 2001 17:00 PDT, (14 Sep 2001
> 00:00:00 GMT), without the extension.
What deadlines?
These are the ULTIMATUMS, presented to legal commercial entities
by the groups of self-appointed criminals, terrorising them
to submit to their own agenda, just as outlined in the RICO
statue.
The racketeers, arrogant and perverted enough to terrorise
the entire usenet.
> It is sincerely hoped that Pacific Bell Internet Services will
> continue be a conscientious and trusted member of the Usenet
> community.
WHO authorized you to make the statements on behalf of
the usenet community?
WHO appointed you?
WHO elected you?
What legal and lawful authority have given you this power?
You never ever, even once, made any effort to resolve the
issues via legal means. Never ever, even once, you, virtual
terrorists, even bothered to consider addressing your governments
in order to create a petition and promote a new legislature
to address the issues of spam.
Nope, that is not what you are interested in,
being the virtual terrorists, promoting your own perverted
agenda you are.
One more time, you are nothing but criminals and all your
organizations, capitalizing on this hype of spam, are not
interested in protecting the highest values of the modern
world, such as democracy, freedom of speech and Basic Human
Rights.
You are but a group of totalitarian dictators, destroying
millions of articles based on your own self-created criteria
and your self-promoting agenda.
nucleus
rote:
>In message-id <3ba66566$0$3579$e2e...@nntp.cts.com>, Howard wrote:
>>
>>David Ritz (dr...@suespammers.org) wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to personally thank the technicians, administrators
>>> and managers...
>>
>>And I would like to thank you for all the hard work and research you've
>>done. Thanks David.
Here is another one of these perverts, posing as some kind
of "official" representatives of usenet. One of the most
outrageous and blatantly arrogant oppressors, destroying
anything they like in the name of public service, while
serving nothing but their own self-promoting interests
and agenda. These trigger happy monsters, posing as angels
to save the mankind from evil, they themselves invented
and defined.
>I would like to second that.
Sure, another one of those most blatant totalitarian
and fascist oppressors, just as public record evidences
in sufficient precision and detail.
Now, whose interests do you serve again?
Sherilyn
>
>In article <9obas...@drn.newsguy.com>, Sherilyn <sher...@suespammers.org> w
>rote:
>>In message-id <3ba66566$0$3579$e2e...@nntp.cts.com>, Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>David Ritz (dr...@suespammers.org) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to personally thank the technicians, administrators
>>>> and managers...
>>>
>>>And I would like to thank you for all the hard work and research you've
>>>done. Thanks David.
>
>
>>I would like to second that.
>
>Sure, another one of those most blatant totalitarian
>and fascist oppressors, just as public record evidences
>in sufficient precision and detail.
>
>Now, whose interests do you serve again?
You know, I always wondered where alt.religion.scientology's Rick "Woody"
Sherwood disappeared to.
--
Sherilyn
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not
send me unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail.
nucleus
rote:
>In message-id <9odrv0$1rtd$3...@news.ukr.net>, nucleus wrote:
>>
>>In article <9obas...@drn.newsguy.com>, Sherilyn <sher...@suespammers.org>
>> w
>>rote:
>>>In message-id <3ba66566$0$3579$e2e...@nntp.cts.com>, Howard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>David Ritz (dr...@suespammers.org) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would like to personally thank the technicians, administrators
>>>>> and managers...
>>>>
>>>>And I would like to thank you for all the hard work and research you've
>>>>done. Thanks David.
>>
>[woody drivel snipped]
Oh no. First you suck a black hole,
itshehebe fascist dictator wannabe.
You can't strip anything.
Because it will come back at you
just like this:
>>Here is another one of these perverts, posing as some kind
>>of "official" representatives of usenet. One of the most
>>outrageous and blatantly arrogant oppressors, destroying
>>anything they like in the name of public service, while
>>serving nothing but their own self-promoting interests
>>and agenda. These trigger happy monsters, posing as angels
>>to save the mankind from evil, they themselves invented
>>and defined.
>>>I would like to second that.
>>
>>Sure, another one of those most blatant totalitarian
>>and fascist oppressors, just as public record evidences
>>in sufficient precision and detail.
>>
>>Now, whose interests do you serve again?
>
>You know, I always wondered where alt.religion.scientology's Rick "Woody"
>Sherwood disappeared to.
Even to call you a pervert
is to insult an ordinary pervert.
Even to call you a fascist
is to insult an ordinary fascist.
Even to call you a manipulator
is to insult the manipulator.
What are you peddling here?
Guilt and fear again?
Stuck on the grove one
of that broken record,
programmed into that outdated CPU
between your ears?
Why are you manipulating fear
in response to a perfectly valid question?
One more time:
Now, whose interests do you serve again,
you blood sucking parasite
interested in making a "career"
on censorship, totalitarianism and fascism
on usenet?
Did you cry with your crockodile tears
about a week ago?
Tell me about freedom and democracy,
you dirty piece of totalitarian garbage.
Do you understand the simple question?
Here it is one more time:
Now, whose interests do you serve again?
>--