'British whites will be outnumbered' - (soon to be) official!
halcombe
get the statistical proof.
By dint of massive immigration (legal and (mostly) illegal) and the
fact that the coloured populations are breeding like rabbits,
"15 times faster than the white population",
the majority of the British population will be coloured; and the ONS
figures will give us a pretty good idea when.
Though - what's the betting that the figures will get stuck in a
drawer Somewhere in Whitehall (especially if it's getting too close to
the next General Election)?
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http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,772657,00.html
Equal rights push makes gays count
Move to forecast Britain's future ethnic make-up provokes fears that
the far-Right will cash in
Ben Summerskill and Gaby Hinsliff
Sunday August 11, 2002
The Observer
Gay people in Britain are being counted separately for the first time
by government statisticians as Ministers prepare to introduce a raft
of new equality measures.
In a move hailed by equality campaigners, the Office for National
Statistics has begun asking all residents about their sexuality so
they can plan future benefits and pensions.
It is the first time Britain's gay community has been officially
estimated for anything other than crimes involving homosexuality.
Staff from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) have asked new
questions as part of a regular face-to-face survey carried out in
2,000 homes. A spokesman confirmed yesterday: 'We have been trying to
collect basic information on different types of relationships.'
The research was sparked by a Whitehall review. Ministries have been
asked to budget for provision of pensions and benefits to gay people,
a move to be enforced by a new European directive.
Civil servants, however, said it was impossible to plan without
reliable statistics.
Angela Mason, of gay equality group Stonewall, said: 'This is welcome,
if long overdue. It demonstrates that the position of lesbians and gay
men in society is being taken far more seriously.'
The new exercise may help resolve the conundrum of what proportion of
the population is gay. Historic estimates have ranged from one-in-10
to one-in 100.
Mason cautioned: 'It doesn't matter whether there are 5,000 or 5
million, it's wrong to treat people unfairly. We'll never know how
many lesbians and gays there are until we've got rid of the
discrimination that still exists.'
A survey of 10,500 people by ID Research, launched 18 months ago to
carry out poll gay people found - contrary to received wisdom - that a
gay man in Britain was twice as likely to be a police officer as an
air steward, and that more than one in four gays and lesbians live in
relationships of six years or longer.
Meanwhile, the country's future racial mix is to be charted for the
first time in a government move which experts fear could be used to
fuel racism. Critics say that projections of Britain's ethnic make-up
in 15 years' time could be seized on to pinpoint a time when whites
may no longer be a majority.
The news follows claims by the pressure group Migration Watch that up
to two million immigrants will arrive in the next decade - a
suggestion dismissed as guesswork by the Home Office.
The ONS will base its forecasts on censuses and past trends in
migration, deaths and fertility.
However, geography lecturers Deborah Sporton and Paul White, in a
paper produced as part of an ONS feasibility study, warn that the
figures could fuel extremism: 'There is an obvious need for
sensitivity in any discussion of future fertility according to
ethnicity in the UK.'
Ethnic minorities, who tend to have bigger families, are growing
around 15 times faster than the white population. Experts say,
however, that, as immigrant families become wealthier, the gap will
shrink: high earners have fewer children.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002
the idiot
"halcombe" <halc...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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> The Guardian tendency may be frit - but apparently we're finally to
> get the statistical proof.
>
> By dint of massive immigration (legal and (mostly) illegal) and the
> fact that the coloured populations are breeding like rabbits,
>
> "15 times faster than the white population",
>
> the majority of the British population will be coloured; and the ONS
> figures will give us a pretty good idea when.
>
> Though - what's the betting that the figures will get stuck in a
> drawer Somewhere in Whitehall (especially if it's getting too close to
> the next General Election)?
>
no-one is forcing you to change your colour so what is your problem?
abelard
typed:
>A survey of 10,500 people by ID Research, launched 18 months ago to
>carry out poll gay people found - contrary to received wisdom - that a
>gay man in Britain was twice as likely to be a police officer as an
>air steward, and that more than one in four gays and lesbians live in
>relationships of six years or longer.
the common groaniad innumeracy...
such figures are meaningless without base figures...
eg....how many 'police officers' and 'air stewards' are
there in the uk?
>Ethnic minorities, who tend to have bigger families, are growing
>around 15 times faster than the white population.
another ludicrous figure...growing 15x faster than what?
is each 'ethnic minority' family having 15x as many children
as the 'white' families?
what the blazes does 'growing' mean?
> Experts say,
>however, that, as immigrant families become wealthier, the gap will
>shrink: high earners have fewer children.
good old 'experts'...
i wish the groaniad would hire some numerate 'reporters'
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Steve Glynn
> get the statistical proof.
>
> By dint of massive immigration (legal and (mostly) illegal) and the
> fact that the coloured populations are breeding like rabbits,
>
> "15 times faster than the white population",
>
> the majority of the British population will be coloured; and the ONS
> figures will give us a pretty good idea when.
>
> Though - what's the betting that the figures will get stuck in a
> drawer Somewhere in Whitehall (especially if it's getting too close to
> the next General Election)?
>
>
Actually, if you re-read the article, it says nothing of the sort. What it
does say is that a group called Migration Watch, --
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/default.asp?menu=about&page=home.htm -- have
produced a report
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/BulletinNo7.htm
using ONS figures (which doesn't, as far as I can see, anywhere argue that
this will happen), and that the Home Office have dismissed these conclusions
as
guesswork (since they depend on various assumptions which, presumably, the
HO doesn't accept).
The report concludes, certainly
'Unless far more effective measures are adopted, we can expect an inflow
from outside the EU of 2 million people per decade for the indefinite future
(and probably more depending on what estimate is taken for illegal
immigration). On the present pattern, 13 % of those accepted for settlement
will be from Eastern Europe and North America and 87% from the rest of the
world. Illegal immigrants will be largely from the third world and Eastern
Europe. More than two thirds of new migrants are settling in London and the
South East.
Now, given that the population of the UK is about 60 million, of whom (AIR)
about 10% are non-white (obviously the proportions vary dramaticly from
place to place, but that's roughly the total figure), so the remaining 54
million are white.
So at 2 million a decade it's going to take well over 120 years (OK --
that's a very crude calculation because it doesn't take into account
exponential factors or possible different fertility rates) before half the
population is non-white, and no one in their right mind would want to make
preditions about this kind of thing over that sort of timescale.
What the article does say is that the ONS is going itself to produce a
report into the same matters, and some people are worried that its
conclusions may provide
ammunition for anti-immigration groups, which isn't quite the same thing at
all.
Steve
> **************************
>
>
> http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,772657,00.html
>
>
<snip>
> Meanwhile, the country's future racial mix is to be charted for the
> first time in a government move which experts fear could be used to
> fuel racism. Critics say that projections of Britain's ethnic make-up
> in 15 years' time could be seized on to pinpoint a time when whites
> may no longer be a majority.
>
> The news follows claims by the pressure group Migration Watch that up
> to two million immigrants will arrive in the next decade - a
> suggestion dismissed as guesswork by the Home Office.
>
> The ONS will base its forecasts on censuses and past trends in
> migration, deaths and fertility.
>
> However, geography lecturers Deborah Sporton and Paul White, in a
> paper produced as part of an ONS feasibility study, warn that the
> figures could fuel extremism: 'There is an obvious need for
> sensitivity in any discussion of future fertility according to
> ethnicity in the UK.'
>
> Ethnic minorities, who tend to have bigger families, are growing
> around 15 times faster than the white population. Experts say,
> however, that, as immigrant families become wealthier, the gap will
> shrink: high earners have fewer children.
>
>
> Guardian Unlimited Š Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002
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Alan G
wrote:
>
>good old 'experts'...
>i wish the groaniad would hire some numerate 'reporters'
You reckon such an animal exists?
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He's maybe frightened he'll have to shag a rabbit and he can't get it
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abelard
typed:
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:34:19 +0200, abelard <abe...@abelard.org>
>wrote:
>>good old 'experts'...
>>i wish the groaniad would hire some numerate 'reporters'
>
>You reckon such an animal exists?
pushing it...but this lot are consistently notable
regards.
Rupert
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their own country.
the idiot
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colour.
tomac
country has had immigration for thousandnds of years, is it arabs,jews,
buddistst, none of the above you hate or anglo-saxons, normans, celts,
picts. Get a grip, evolution created us all why do you want to fight it?
People come here for money, simple as, the only way to stop it is to ensure
they can make enough money and reap the rewards where they are.