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Lee Harvey

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Sep 23, 2003, 9:27:07 PM9/23/03
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Platform: Windows XP Home (SP1)

Preferences > Page style > Enable styling of scrollbars

Test page: http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/scrollbars-test.html

Anyone else?


Tom Gilder

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Sep 23, 2003, 9:50:33 PM9/23/03
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They were disabled in strict mode. Quite why (as they're a user
preference and off by default) I'm not sure...

Lee Harvey

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Sep 23, 2003, 10:41:52 PM9/23/03
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Any idea why they're also disabled in this XHTML 1.0 Transitional doc?

http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/stylesheets/scrollbars.html


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Lee Harvey

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Sep 23, 2003, 10:46:38 PM9/23/03
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Sorry, too confusing and inconsistent. Bug report filed: #127145

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Tim Altman

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Sep 24, 2003, 1:33:56 PM9/24/03
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Fixed quoting. Top posting = evil.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:41:52 -0400, "Lee Harvey"
<leeh...@grassyknoll.com> wrote:

>"Tom Gilder" <nn...@tom-dot-me-dot-uk.invalid> wrote in message
>news:bkqt91$bvr$1...@mail.opera.no...
>|
>| They were disabled in strict mode. Quite why (as they're a user
>| preference and off by default) I'm not sure...
>
>Any idea why they're also disabled in this XHTML 1.0 Transitional doc?
>
>http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/stylesheets/scrollbars.html

XHTML 1.0 Transitional triggers Strict mode[1].

OK, it's like this. Strict mode is supposed to only show valid
CSS. Scrollbar styling isn't valid CSS. Thus, scrollbar styling is
ignored in Strict mode. At least, that's the rationale (or my
understanding of it, anyway).

[1] http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/doctype/

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Fig

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Sep 24, 2003, 6:41:01 PM9/24/03
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:33:56 -0400, Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:

> Fixed quoting. Top posting = evil.
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:41:52 -0400, "Lee Harvey"
> <leeh...@grassyknoll.com> wrote:
>
>> "Tom Gilder" <nn...@tom-dot-me-dot-uk.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:bkqt91$bvr$1...@mail.opera.no...
>> |
>> | They were disabled in strict mode. Quite why (as they're a user
>> | preference and off by default) I'm not sure...
>>
>> Any idea why they're also disabled in this XHTML 1.0 Transitional doc?
>>
>> http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/stylesheets/scrollbars.html
>
> XHTML 1.0 Transitional triggers Strict mode[1].
>
> OK, it's like this. Strict mode is supposed to only show valid
> CSS. Scrollbar styling isn't valid CSS. Thus, scrollbar styling is
> ignored in Strict mode. At least, that's the rationale (or my
> understanding of it, anyway).
>
> [1] http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/doctype/

Right-on. Scroll bars are part of my UI - authors can poke-off. No bug.


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Lee Harvey

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Sep 24, 2003, 9:21:01 PM9/24/03
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Feel my pain...

While trying to promote Opera to one of my Microsoft-loving co-workers, he
says:

"Yeah, but Opera can't do colorized scrollbars like IE"

I respond:

"Sure it can! Opera 7.20 has this cool new setting..."

You can imagine my pure disappointment and embarrassment when visiting the W3C
site!

Although you all make compelling arguments, I suggest Opera rethink this
setting in the Preferences dialog. After all, the label is _NOT_ clear that
it's "Strict-mode dependent". I suggest either remove it, or fix it, "as-is"
it's confusing and needs further clarification (like this thread).

Thanks.

"Tom Gilder" <nn...@tom-dot-me-dot-uk.invalid> wrote in message

| They were disabled in strict mode. Quite why (as they're a user
| preference and off by default) I'm not sure...

Tim Altman <add...@in.sig> wrote:
| OK, it's like this. Strict mode is supposed to only show valid
| CSS. Scrollbar styling isn't valid CSS. Thus, scrollbar styling is
| ignored in Strict mode. At least, that's the rationale (or my
| understanding of it, anyway).
|

| http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/doctype/

Thomas Scholz

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Sep 25, 2003, 1:17:06 AM9/25/03
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Fig wrote:

> Right-on. Scroll bars are part of my UI

And as such I have styled my scrollbars in my user stylesheet. :)

> - authors can poke-off. No bug.

Yes. But I would like to see scrollbar style enabled for user stylesheets.
And DoctypeSniffing itself is already a bug.

Thomas

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